AutoWake Always Emptying

[ghebert1111]

It seems that the major complaint about AutoWake is that it always empties. So why doesn't SC change the algorithm so if the system senses a need to change the roll, it first fills the high side and if that fails to affect the roll, it stops filling and starts to empty the low side. With the new sensor that determines when the bags are venting water, this would seem to be a very easy software fix but even without that, AutoWake could still try filling and after n seconds if there is no affect in the roll, it stops filling and start emptying the other side. Same idea with pitch. I can code it up and send it on to SC if they need a head start.

BTW I don't have a boat that has AutoWake and have not been in a boat that has AutoWake but hope to be in and own a boat with AutoWake in the next 21 days.

[philip.clemmons]

My “personal” experience is that if the boat has enough weight, there are no issues. On my boat with a very light passenger (2) load, the only way AW could achieve the desired angles was to drain a fair amount of ballast.

Probably not the answer people want to hear, but the reality is once we added a bit of weight in the right places, auto wakes job was much easier and more consistent. We have a pretty bitchin wave now that we figured it out.


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[ghebert1111]

The case I've heard is that it emptys one side to adjust then it emptys the other side to adjust and so on... Again I have no real world experience, but if this is an issue, my idea will address it.

[Broke Pilot]

I’d guess the reason people think it ALWAYS drains is because most people ALWAYS start from 100% full. It can’t do anything but drain to reach its pitch/roll.
My SA will fill first before draining if there’s a sudden change and the bag isn’t full. In the few times I’ve used it, it actually works pretty well. But now that I know my pitch roll settings for my wave, we just weight accordingly and watch the auto wake display but with the system off so it can’t make changes.

[rdlangston13]

I’d guess the reason people think it ALWAYS drains is because most people ALWAYS start from 100% full. It can’t do anything but drain to reach its pitch/roll.
My SA will fill first before draining if there’s a sudden change and the bag isn’t full. In the few times I’ve used it, it actually works pretty well. But now that I know my pitch roll settings for my wave, we just weight accordingly and watch the auto wake display but with the system off so it can’t make changes.


^This^

If the ballast is not 100% full then autowake will add to the side that needs more weight before taking weight out of the opposite side. If everything is 100% full then it obviously cannot add if it is already full, all it can do at that point is drain.

The exception to this would be if you select you ballast level based on the amp bar. I know in my 2017 with the 2018 software (amp bar based of rear ballast % instead of actual sensor) if you set the amp at say 60% for wakeboarding it will try to maintain 60% rear weight total. If someone moves and the roll is off and it adds water the opposite side to compensate it will also drain from the side that some moved too to maintain 60%. It might end up at like 70% on one side and 50% on the other but it is still 60% total.

[haknslash]

Can the boat fill ballast at any speed or is there a limit? I never paid close attention where the pump intake(s?) is positioned under the hull on the Max.

[dakota4ce]

Can the boat fill ballast at any speed or is there a limit? I never paid close attention where the pump intake(s?) is positioned under the hull on the Max.

I believe it to be any speed. You can set low amplitude and truck across the lake and it works the whole time.


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[ghebert1111]

^This^

If the ballast is not 100% full then autowake will add to the side that needs more weight before taking weight out of the opposite side. If everything is 100% full then it obviously cannot add if it is already full, all it can do at that point is drain.

The exception to this would be if you select you ballast level based on the amp bar. I know in my 2017 with the 2018 software (amp bar based of rear ballast % instead of actual sensor) if you set the amp at say 60% for wakeboarding it will try to maintain 60% rear weight total. If someone moves and the roll is off and it adds water the opposite side to compensate it will also drain from the side that some moved too to maintain 60%. It might end up at like 70% on one side and 50% on the other but it is still 60% total.

That's great that it is doing the fill thing when possible. I guess the complaints about it emptying one side and then the next side until you've lost 100s of lbs per side have been greatly exaggerated.

[Broke Pilot]

A lot of of it I think was people just trying to adapt to new technology, it was a learning curve. The first few times I used it it was not pretty. Got frustrated and turned it off. Goose on here had a long thread on features and how to use it.
The one thing that made my brain click and go ‘oh you dummy...’ was when he started talking about not being full ballast, overloading the side you’re surfing so you pass up your roll setting and watch it fill the opposite side to roll you back over to the target. Works the same for pitch.
I don’t have the amplitude stuff, so I can’t help there, I have an idea how it plays into it, but honestly don’t see why it’s needed. If the amp is at a certain level with full bags, you can’t sink it deeper without more weight. That’s the way it’s always been, set up the best wave you can and ride it. Adapt to it, I know the potential of the boat if I only have my wife and 2 small kids on it! Lol that’s what Enzo bags are for...

[larry_arizona]

The biggest obstacle of Autowake is for the really experienced guy who weights his boat the old fashioned way manually getting the pitch and roll and doesn’t think a computer can match or better their skills.


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[dakota4ce]

The biggest obstacle of Autowake is for the really experienced guy who weights his boat the old fashioned way manually getting the pitch and roll and doesn’t think a computer can match or better their skills.


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The only scenario that I do not use it in is when I have a small crew and I don’t want to lose a single pound. So, harnessing the maximum possible weight, and having movable weight available such as bags of lead, then I skip autowake because I don’t want any empty. And I simply do it’s job for it, except by moving bags. If that makes any sense.

A very handy situation to use it with is when you have a large crew and amplitude is not an issue. In other words, you can afford to lose a few pounds here or there. The other thing that happens with large crews is that people move around. Auto awake is brilliant at minimizing the effect of this.

To address what broke a pilot said earlier, amplitude is handy in that you can choose how drastic you want autowake to be. If you choose the lowest amplitude setting, you can cruise across the lake at cruise speed and maintain a level boat. Autowake will help you with that. Or another possible scenario might be wake boarding with other than full ballast. Then you would use 50% amplitude and It would keep a nice level boat for you without sinking it too much.



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[LAwake]

I have a question as it pertains to Autowake. I have a 17 Helix (with upgraded '18 software that provides amplitude) that we use primarily to surf with. My question is about the surf settings (pitch and roll) and are they based strictly off of stock ballast numbers or would they still be the same once you upgrade and add ballast. In other words, I'm running around 5000 pounds total with normal crew, ballast, and lead weight so if I use AW am I still looking to achieve the standard set points or are they obsolete since I'm nowhere near stock numbers? I appreciate any insight. I don't use AW per se but I do toggle in and out of it to check my pitch and roll without leaving it on long enough to engage.

[dakota4ce]

It stays the same. That running attitude is ideal no matter the weight. But, I would mess with it plus or minus a couple degrees and see if you have a preference other than the factory settings. Those are based on opinion and preference to a small degree, so if you like something different go for it. But for 99% of people all the settings that come from the factory are pretty well fleshed out and will give you an awesome wave. And it will just get better with additional weight. However make sure it is zeroed properly.


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[LAwake]

However make sure it is zeroed properly.


Thanks for that info dakota4ce. How do you make sure it is zeroed properly?

[dakota4ce]

There is a procedure. I believe it’s empty ballast in the water with the human standing in the walkway between the windshield halves? Someone verify if that’s true.


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[MJHSupra]

I think I recall reading that thread. Goose was talking about checking it when running at wakeboard speeds with two dudes, but the recalibration is done sitting still via the menu options.

Probably also depends on the year - 17 vs 18 vs 19.

Try searching for calibration or inclinometer or Autowake questions

If you find the long threads, you are on he right track.

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[LAwake]

I think I recall reading that thread. Goose was talking about checking it when running at wakeboard speeds with two dudes, but the recalibration is done sitting still via the menu options.

Probably also depends on the year - 17 vs 18 vs 19.

Try searching for calibration or inclinometer or Autowake questions

If you find the long threads, you are on he right track.

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Sounds good, will do. I appreciate that.

[TXSurf4]

Sounds good, will do. I appreciate that.

The name of the thread is “AutoWake Questions” and it is under the Sales & Information section. Go to post #15. I will try to post a link here but not sure how it works from the app.....that thread is loaded with great info! I have gone through and pulled all of Matt’s tips out and put them into a word file for reference.

AutoWake questions
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=27865&share_tid=30060&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum%2Emoomba%2Ecom%2Fshowthrea d%2Ephp%3Ft%3D30060&share_type=t


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[rdlangston13]

I don’t have the amplitude stuff, so I can’t help there, I have an idea how it plays into it, but honestly don’t see why it’s needed. If the amp is at a certain level with full bags, you can’t sink it deeper without more weight. That’s the way it’s always been, set up the best wave you can and ride it. Adapt to it, I know the potential of the boat if I only have my wife and 2 small kids on it! Lol that’s what Enzo bags are for...

I like the AMP setting for wakeboarding. I can turn on autowake and set the amp for like 65 and it takes over all the bags and fills them up for me, I dont even have to flip a ballast switch. When surfing I usually fill everything 100% with their switches unless I get water purging over the side, then I turn on autowake and set the amp to 100%.

[ghebert1111]

The name of the thread is “AutoWake Questions” and it is under the Sales & Information section. Go to post #15. I will try to post a link here but not sure how it works from the app.....that thread is loaded with great info! I have gone through and pulled all of Matt’s tips out and put them into a word file for reference.

AutoWake questions
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=27865&share_tid=30060&url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum%2Emoomba%2Ecom%2Fshowthrea d%2Ephp%3Ft%3D30060&share_type=t


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I did the same thing with Matt's Autowake Tip of the Day posts, put them in a word file and printed them out.

[larry_arizona]

That would be cool, would you be willing to share?


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[TXSurf4]

That would be cool, would you be willing to share?


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Ya PM me your email and I can send it your way.