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mpbanskie
09-07-2018, 04:02 PM
Hi,

I have only just learned to drop the rope and recover back into the sweet spot at will and so thought it would be useful to other beginners to document what helped me while its still fresh.

The biggest challenge I had was figuring out how to recover, like many others I could find and stay in the sweet spot for 20 seconds or so without the rope, but every time i left this spot it was a one way journey. The video at the end is from the day where I finally figured out how to get back into the spot by 'pumping'.

Here are the tips I can offer -

Once your up, spend some time to reposition your feet, you want to work you lead foot forwards on the board, ideally right up to the tip of the traction pad. Once your have your foot far enough forwards, wiggle, creep of do whatever works for you to get your toes nearer to the toe side edge of the board. I find it easier to do all of this far from the wake and leaning back like I would on a wakeboard. You can see me working to position my lead foot in the first 15 seconds of the video before moving back in towards the wake.

Why is this important ? - Getting your foot forwards allows you to put pressure on the front of the board helping it to slide down the face of the wake and generate speed, Getting your toes closer to the edge allows you to put more pressure on the edge getting it to bite harder into the face of the wave and convert more of the downward pressure into forward speed, it will also help to reduce the amount of board touching the wave face which reduces drag.

Pump before your need to - One of the biggest mistakes I was making for a long time was waiting until I knew I was falling back to start pumping, pump before you need to. Get one or two pumps in anytime you move around on the wake or even just for peace of mind while cruising in the sweet spot to maintain speed, this way if you do find your self falling back you will already be in the rythm of pumping and have a much better chance of staying on the wake.

The other big challenge I had was despite a lot of watching and reading, I had no concept of what pumping really was or how to do it.

Before trying to explain how pumping began to make sense for me, I will add one caveat - I am on a skim style board.

How to pump - use your head
I boat with two impatient kids 8 and 10 years old, I rarely get the chance to fine tune the wake so ride what I am given on the day - sometimes little more than calf high. Early on when learning to stay in the pocket with the rope I often had to hunch all of my weight over my front foot just to stay in the pocket. This worked by angling the board down the face of the wave, as the wave rolls forwards it wants to lift the board up, but by angling down the slippery face of the wave, we can move forward instead of being lifted. Lean back and the board will grip and dig into the wave, this does a few things we don't want yet - it creates drag slowing us down and it lifts us up the face of the wave rather than allowing us to slip along the face.

Lets image though that we have crept higher up the face of the wave 6-12 inches - this could be the start of us falling back and out of the pocket. What if we now pushed hard with all of our weight on the front of the board ? The board would be angled down the face of the wave but with even more pressure than from gravity alone, this would force the board to slip faster generating a small boost in speed for us. In practice, when you do this, the water feels somewhere between spongy and springy under the board and for me, the key to finally getting the idea of pumping was to quickly fall into a rythm with the natural rebound of the water.

If your not getting the spongy/springy feeling, make sure your feet are in position near the toeside edge of the board, front foot forwards and if the feet are right, remember to really bend your knees and push hard into the water each time you extend them - if your falling back, you really have to work your whole body weight into getting the board back up to speed.

In the video you can see that upto about the 18 Second mark I am working to get my front foot forward and closer to the toe side.
At 40 seconds and again at around 1:19 you can see me bring my head and shoulders low and forward directly over my front knee to really help and push as much of my body weight as possible into the front of the board, this generates noticeable boosts in speed that I would not get without bringing my full body weight into play. At around 1:23 I am back into a more relaxed upright position. Throughout the video I am pumping just not with the full intensity and rolled forward body weight that is initially needed to regain speed. This is an important point - when you are falling back, you are moving slower than the boat, to get back into the pocket you will have to accelerate to a speed faster than the boat, this isn't going to happen without you spending an awful lot of energy, get your whole body into it, remember your trying to catch a 300HP+ boat !

In summary -

Spend a minute to get your feet right once your up on the board before you start worrying about sweet spots, push and all the rest of it.
Visualise what you are trying to do as - I want to use my body weight, through my legs to force this board down this slippery slope
The more weight you have on your back foot, the more you are flattening the slope and defeating yourself, keep it forward and push your weight through your front leg into the board
The more you bend your knees in the pump the more energy you will have to push down with
The real key for me was using all the summary points above in rhythm with the spongy/springy rebound you will feel from the water under the board, its like pushing back on each rebound adds an extra little boost forwards - its like the rhythm of pushing a swing, once you feel the rebound its really easy and efficient to get in synch with pushing back on the high points.

Hope it helps, from one beginner to another

mpbanskie.

PS - I think a skim style board is easier to learn on and more forgiving of a mediocre wake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzuIMQCs9Q0

Shoebox
09-07-2018, 07:18 PM
Good stuff. A couple things.

First, you can get your feet properly positioned BEFORE you get up, as the boat is idling through the water and the board is vertical against your feet.

Second, your shoulders are squared up facing the boat - you should be facing the wave as much as you can.

That's not an easy wave, looks good, keep up the good work!

KnoxMojo
09-07-2018, 08:19 PM
Most can't push down on the board to flip it up to their feet from the muddle to the edge of the board. Most, including me, especially on surf style, have to press down on the heal edge to be able to flip it up. Now with a skim, you can stand on them to get up like a wakeboard.

Very good write up.

trayson
09-11-2018, 12:03 PM
OP, nice write up. most people aren't as analytical as you are and don't take the time to try and explain it.


Most, including me, especially on surf style, have to press down on the heal edge to be able to flip it up. .

You need to up your game bro! I have enough dexterity that I can "pre flip" my Nubstep with my feet in surfing position. I find myself almost grabbing the traction with my rear heel and scissoring the board into position only needing the slightest tension on the surf rope. It's like my feet have magnets! :-P I would think it'd be even easier for you, because I'm sure you have bigger feet (pretty much everyone has bigger feet than me)...

Shoebox
09-11-2018, 01:31 PM
You need to up your game bro! I have enough dexterity that I can "pre flip" my Nubstep with my feet in surfing position. I find myself almost grabbing the traction with my rear heel and scissoring the board into position only needing the slightest tension on the surf rope. I do almost the same thing. I push down with my back foot first, and end up with the nose out of the water.

KnoxMojo
09-11-2018, 11:58 PM
I do almost the same thing. I push down with my back foot first, and end up with the nose out of the water.

Yeah, press down on the back when there is tension on the board. I'll bet y'all aren't flipping a surf style board under foot without line help..geeze...and I said I deep water start skim style, already standing on the board..up y'all's game...lol

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 12:14 AM
Yeah, press down on the back when there is tension on the board. I'll bet y'all aren't flipping a surf style board under foot without line help..geeze...and I said I deep water start skim style, already standing on the board..up y'all's game...lolWithout line help? What does that mean?

KnoxMojo
09-12-2018, 12:23 AM
Without line help? What does that mean?

Like pulling against the line, using the handle, line tension to be able to press against the board....this was also a post for beginners to help them out. Surf style always seems hardest for most as they are so buoyant, but I guess y'all were studs since day 1. Lol

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 12:34 AM
Without line help? What does that mean?[/QUOT]

Like pulling against the line, using the handle, line tension to be able to press against the board....this was also a post for beginners to help them out. Surf style always seems hardest for most as they are so buoyant, but I guess y'all were studs since day 1. Lol No, but I've never had an issue getting the board flipped up.

Of course we're doing it with line tension. Why would anyone be trying to do that without line tension? It would never stay against your feet.

I'm not sure why you're so butthurt about us relaying how we flip the board up. It's definitely the easier way with a buoyant surf-style board.

KnoxMojo
09-12-2018, 12:50 AM
Not sure where I got butthurt, but ok. Lol...I made a comment that it's easier to flip the board up using the heel edge, not the middle. Not sure why that caused such a ruckus with y'all..and I'm sure lots of people do it all differently, but whatever works. That's just the way I've taught countless folks that have been able to get up and ride.....Carry on.

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 01:39 AM
Not sure where I got butthurt, but ok. Lol...I made a comment that it's easier to flip the board up using the heel edge, not the middle. Not sure why that caused such a ruckus with y'all..and I'm sure lots of people do it all differently, but whatever works. That's just the way I've taught countless folks that have been able to get up and ride.....Carry on.I had to go back and reread the thread to see what you're on about. Reading your posts, I honestly have no clue what you're trying to say. I also have no clue what it has to do with the original comment I made about adjusting foot position when still idling through the water.

I haven't tried the deep water skim start, because I don't have a skim board. It would be impossible on a Potbelly Rocket. Too floaty.

KnoxMojo
09-12-2018, 09:11 AM
You don't know what I'm talking about because I wakeboard and get up on the surf styles like I would on a wakeboard. I can get up and just slide the board sideways for a while. You get up by pressing the back of the board down and get the nose out of the water then stand. Lots of ways to do it, just whatever works for you. All good.

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 10:32 AM
I wakeboard too, and I get up the same way I always did on a wakeboard. That still doesn't explain what that has to do with a beginner adjusting their feet when idling through the water, versus doing it when up.

dakota4ce
09-12-2018, 10:46 AM
I get up on my hands, then switch to my feet once I’m up.


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Shoebox
09-12-2018, 10:48 AM
I get up on my hands, then switch to my feet once I’m up.


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KnoxMojo
09-12-2018, 10:51 AM
Then you also get up different than me on a wakeboard, lol. I pro start, going to assume you turn the board towards the boat as soon as the boat takes off. Geeze dude, why are you being so combative? I've already said we do it different. Some do it the way you do, others get up then adjust feet. There is no 1 set right or wrong way if you're getting up and having fun. My original reply to all this was poking back at Trayson, you went wide right on me. Later.

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 11:00 AM
Yeah, press down on the back when there is tension on the board. I'll bet y'all aren't flipping a surf style board under foot without line help..geeze...and I said I deep water start skim style, already standing on the board..up y'all's game...lolI guess if I'm being combative, it's because you fired the first shot. This was your reply to me, when I simply agreed that I get up similar to Trayson. Reread it, and tell me how I should have taken it.

I had a shitty night in a crappy, expensive hotel after a frustrating day yesterday, so I apologize for being short.

trayson
09-12-2018, 11:55 AM
Yeah, press down on the back when there is tension on the board. I'll bet y'all aren't flipping a surf style board under foot without line help..geeze...and I said I deep water start skim style, already standing on the board..up y'all's game...lol

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED


But I guess y'all were studs since day 1. Lol

You're JUST figuring this out????


I pro start

Because PRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a start that's above "pro level"??? Because that's what I'm sure I do! Bahahahahhaha




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Okay, let's break down the real insight provided here:

1) moving your feet on the board can be hard for a newb.
2) flipping the board with your feet as close as possible to the heel edge will provide leverage and make it easier to flip
3) depending on board and skill and technique, it's quite certainly possible to not put your heels so close to the heel edge and actually position your feet more in riding position which will offset the need to move your feet on the board while riding; or adjust your foot position after the board has been flipped but you're still "in gear" and haven't had the driver through the hammer down is another technique suggested by shoebox.
4) I've been a stud since Day one
5) Knox is "pro" starter, but how he finishes remains in question
6) Shoebox has a crap hotel
7) I am way too entertained by myself.

MJHSupra
09-12-2018, 12:58 PM
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED



You're JUST figuring this out????



Because PRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a start that's above "pro level"??? Because that's what I'm sure I do! Bahahahahhaha




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Okay, let's break down the real insight provided here:

1) moving your feet on the board can be hard for a newb.
2) flipping the board with your feet as close as possible to the heel edge will provide leverage and make it easier to flip
3) depending on board and skill and technique, it's quite certainly possible to not put your heels so close to the heel edge and actually position your feet more in riding position which will offset the need to move your feet on the board while riding; or adjust your foot position after the board has been flipped but you're still "in gear" and haven't had the driver through the hammer down is another technique suggested by shoebox.
4) I've been a stud since Day one
5) Knox is "pro" starter, but how he finishes remains in question
6) Shoebox has a crap hotel
7) I am way too entertained by myself.

You forgot #8 - dakota4ce starts on his hands . . . so I assume his past life must have been in Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus or Cirque du Soleil

trayson
09-12-2018, 01:02 PM
You forgot #8 - dakota4ce starts on his hands . . . so I assume his past life must have been in Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus or Cirque du Soleil

I think he's a monkey!

Shoebox
09-12-2018, 01:02 PM
6) Shoebox has a crap hotel.

9) Shoebox is out of the shitbox hotel and headed home, so things are looking up! [emoji106] A week off the water makes for a grumpy Shoebox.

RC_Hinojosa
09-13-2018, 11:52 AM
What's you guys take on starts from the swim platform? I have a few buddies that do this constantly but I haven't tried it myself.

It looks easy enough....the wave is already formed and you just ease yourself into the pocket with a bit of rope.

Any input on this style?

trayson
09-13-2018, 12:10 PM
What's you guys take on starts from the swim platform? I have a few buddies that do this constantly but I haven't tried it myself.

It looks easy enough....the wave is already formed and you just ease yourself into the pocket with a bit of rope.

Any input on this style?

I'm basically 100% successful on platform STOPS, but only like 20% on platform STARTS. :-/ With my boat it'll often take a bit to form the wave (10+ seconds depending on takeoff angle, rudder position and amount of throttle). That said, you'll find that as soon as you push off the platform, it'll actually be pushing you back ON to the platform. it's actually kinda tricky because you naturally have to start with too much weight forward on the board and it doesn't have much stability until you're a few feet back into the wave. I rarely try it because I find that 80% of the time I crash and end up taking that bath in the cold water (some of the reason to platform start--avoiding the cold, LOL). And of course when you crash, then the boat has to circle around and get you all over again, so you burn time.

I've only done it with the rope. But that also presents its own risks with that much rope when you're that close to the boat. I have a buddy that's easily 75% successful with platform starts and has even done plenty without the rope.

That said, I will do platform stops confidently where I pop the nose of the board onto the platform and then step over with my back foot and reach back and grab my board. It's always a hit with people that haven't seen me do it before.

KnoxMojo
09-13-2018, 12:31 PM
9) Shoebox is out of the shitbox hotel and headed home, so things are looking up! [emoji106] A week off the water makes for a grumpy Shoebox.

We've been at the beach, it's been pretty ok, lol. It'll get better for you, it has to...hahaha...you guys are having way too much fun with this.

Broke Pilot
09-13-2018, 08:00 PM
9) Shoebox is out of the shitbox hotel and headed home, so things are looking up! [emoji106] A week off the water makes for a grumpy Shoebox.

I know the feeling... I sure wish I could see the Texas sun. It been what, 2 weeks now? Lol straight rain... and trips. I’m sure it’s probly sunny when I’m in a crap hotel on a crap trip. Lol

MJHSupra
09-14-2018, 03:25 PM
I'm basically 100% successful on platform STOPS, but only like 20% on platform STARTS.

I rarely try it because I find that 80% of the time I crash and end up taking that bath in the cold water .

Ut Oh. Posts like this will get your SC PRO credentials revoked. KnoxMojo will report you.

KnoxMojo
09-14-2018, 04:49 PM
Ut Oh. Posts like this will get your SC PRO credentials revoked. KnoxMojo will report you.

Say what? I have never reported anyone, I don't take this that serious. No idea what you are talking about.

trayson
09-14-2018, 04:56 PM
Me thinks it's his way of saying that I talk big and that you like to give me sh**.

I think MJH tried to make a funny. :-P

And seems like Knox is getting a reputation, LMAO

KnoxMojo
09-14-2018, 05:14 PM
Me thinks it's his way of saying that I talk big and that you like to give me sh**.

I think MJH tried to make a funny. :-P

And seems like Knox is getting a reputation, LMAO

I just find it odd that I never commented on platform starts yet MJH brings me back into it off a comment by you. Not sure where this is going. It is actually you that gives me crap and I just laugh because I know you are ribbing me. Keep having fun.

MJHSupra
09-15-2018, 08:28 AM
Say what? I have never reported anyone, I don't take this that serious. No idea what you are talking about.Just kidding . . . bad sarcasm on my part.

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