2008 LSV ballast upgrade

[Lapham]

Hey ya all,
I have an 08 lsv with stock 400# bags. Also purchased a wakesurf edge after my homemade suckgate broke.
I am looking for recommendations on ballast upgrades. Hoping to use the existing gen 3 system if possible but willing to buy an external pump too.
WakeMAKERS has upgrade kit with 910#.
Anyone know of a good under seat bow bag?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

[996scott]

A lot of people will go to 900 or 1100 lbs bag in the rear locker and also put a bag under the bow seats that will add another 500+ lbs I have a Flyhigh one in my bow but i think Sumo has one as well. Wakemakers has them on their website. The reversible pump upgrade that wakemakers has is great if you don't mind spending the money. I did it a few years ago and it is great.

[jcarter20]

Yep, agreed that Wakemakers kits are the way to go. I replaced my entire system in my 05 Supra. Call them up and talk to the guys in house. They are very knowledgeable and can get you set up. The systems are pricey though. I had $1,000 just in my ballast pump system.


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[Lapham]

Thanks Guys, I really appreciate the feedback.
Would anyone by change know the locker size? I forgot to measure and my boat is up at our cabin.
Thinking of going with the Straight Line Sumo Max 1000x2 & Max Flow Pump for the rears (50”L x 22”W x 22”H) but concerned they will not fit.

Also want a decent bow bag that fits under the seats if possible? Looking at the Straight Line Sumo Max 750 Open Bow Ballast. If it does not fit under the seats than can always stack on top of them.

[Jeepers]

I installed the Ronix U shaped bag. Fits perfect in my 08 and doesnt sit under the cup holder. I actually have 2 50# lead wake bags stacked on top of each other right under the cup holders.

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[Lapham]

I installed the Ronix U shaped bag. Fits perfect in my 08 and doesnt sit under the cup holder. I actually have 2 50# lead wake bags stacked on top of each other right under the cup holders.

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Thanks for the help!

[mikepo26]

I have the same boat and looking into the same stuff. A quick question? Do you use any oil when you surf? I have about 25 hours on my oil and tried surfing for prop 2 days maybe 8 hours of surfing and i burned 1/2 quart. Normal?

[Leebo]

Do you have the right prop? What’s the RPM you’re running to go 11mph? I’m running ~3200RPM at 11mph w 4000lbs but I have an ACME 2315 prop. At that same ballast I needed 3-400RPM more to get 11mph w my old ACME 1433.

[Jeepers]

Do you have the right prop? What’s the RPM you’re running to go 11mph? I’m running ~3200RPM at 11mph w 4000lbs but I have an ACME 2315 prop. At that same ballast I needed 3-400RPM more to get 11mph w my old ACME 1433.

I have the exact same set up. With the same results


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[Lapham]

Thanks guys for all your help. I decided to go with the Straightline sumo 1,000 lb in the rear and the 750 IBS (probably only get 600 pounds when filled to available space) and stock 400 locker bag. Also have the Wakesurf Edge Pro Wake Shaper (my old DIY version broke). I have rear surf side filled and non surf side at roughly 50%. Here is the wake at around 11 MPH with 2 kids and me in boat. Still playing with wake shaper to find the optimum placement. Right now it seems to be just forward of the LSV logo
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[Lapham]

Hey Scott
when you upgraded your pump system, did you go to 1" system throughout? Did you put one pump per bag or use some sort of manifold system like what comes stock with the boat? I think the stock system is 3/4"... correct?
I'm thinking of upgrading my pump system this winter but completely new at this. Is it best to create a vent line for each bag?
Thanks for any info.

[mikepo26]

Acme 1847 i think i am around 3500-4 k but i will check next time i surf

[MJHSupra]

Stock lines back then were 3/4.

Then the std wakemakers upgrade system offered 1" on jabsco and johnson pumps.

Now they are a 1 1/8 on their king ballast pumps.

Vent lines work great on the upgraded system. One for each bag.

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[Leebo]

Mike - that’s a great prop! We can get into the weeds on whether you need a diff one but I’d keep checking oil level.

Of course now you’ve got me worried and I gotta do the same...

[Jeepers]

Upgrade your center ballast to this: it fits perfect!

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[mikepo26]

thats good to know i am making my winter list

[bwanner]

Do you have the right prop? What’s the RPM you’re running to go 11mph? I’m running ~3200RPM at 11mph w 4000lbs but I have an ACME 2315 prop. At that same ballast I needed 3-400RPM more to get 11mph w my old ACME 1433.

How does that prop fit with on the trailer? We have an 06 lsv. Adding 1000lbs to each locker, stock 400, and a 750 ibs. Were thinking about that 1433 per wake makers recommendation.

[Jeepers]

I would do the 1847 over the 1433 and the 2315 over everything. On my 08 the 2315 has 1” clearance from trailer.

If you currently have 14.25” prop measure the clearance of your existing prop to trailer. The 15” is only going to add .375” I’m sure you’ll be fine. Just note you’ll loose quite a bit of top end. If that’s important to you the I would go with the 1847. If you already have a 14.25” prop just pay a prop shop $100 to pitch and cup your prop the 1847 specs and save yourself $350.


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[Leebo]

I would do the 1847 over the 1433 and the 2315 over everything. On my 08 the 2315 has 1” clearance from trailer.

If you currently have 14.25” prop measure the clearance of your existing prop to trailer. The 15” is only going to add .375” I’m sure you’ll be fine. Just note you’ll loose quite a bit of top end. If that’s important to you the I would go with the 1847. If you already have a 14.25” prop just pay a prop shop $100 to pitch and cup your prop the 1847 specs and save yourself $350.


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^^This^^

I have a 1433 that I’d happily sell you but I’d recommend the 2315 if you’re running that much ballast. Also, I didn’t lose that much top end with the 2315. Hull clearance should be totally fine. You may need shims for the trailer but they’re cheap and easy to install.

[bwanner]

What if I were to try the 2419? Same size, the cup is different though.

[Shoebox]

What if I were to try the 2419? Same size, the cup is different though.More cup = slightly lower rpm (100-200, maybe). 2419 is a great prop.

[Jeepers]

Try the 2419 you can always some cup removed.


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[bwanner]

Actually, I decided to buy the 2315. I received it today too. Now I want to buy the 750lb wakemakers bow ballast piggyback kit installed to the 400lb ski sac. See how it will do this summer. But more than likely, I will want to remove the stock rear 400lbs and go bigger.

[996scott]

That is exactly what i did. I went with the 750 bags in the rear (some go to the 900 or even 1100s) and then ran the bow sack connected to the ski locker bag. All that extra weight does help tremendously. Going to the reversible pumps is a really nice upgrade as well.