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KnoxMojo
07-21-2018, 11:46 AM
Dakota, you reinforced my thoughts on the added ballast. I had that scenario in mind in why I said extra weight is needed. Light crew is kids, not many people, whatever the case may be. They have basically put Enzos in a boat from the factory and people still are not happy, that's my point. I have been on 24' boats with enzos and nose weight, add in a few people, and they throw sick wakes and waves. I think you guys missed my point. Its all good. I would add weight to the boat as well, since our crews are smaller and smaller these days since the baby, but 4000 pounds is significant.

padge
07-21-2018, 11:49 AM
Dakota, you reinforced my thoughts on the added ballast. I had that scenario in mind in why I said extra weight is needed. Light crew is kids, not many people, whatever the case may be. They have basically put Enzos in a boat from the factory and people still are not happy, that's my point. I have been on 24' boats with enzos and nose weight, add in a few people, and they throw sick wakes and waves. I think you guys missed my point. Its all good. I would add weight to the boat as well, since our crews are smaller and smaller these days since the baby, but 4000 pounds is significant.

No I agree 100%. 4000# is a bunch for stock. I think we were just saying, to use it at itís potential would take more weight because of the size of the boat


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KnoxMojo
07-21-2018, 11:55 AM
I agree. I asked this very question to a Supra engineer. He said people can add weight over stock if they run light crews, but they try to put out optimal ballast for the boat and the weight capacity that it is capable of holding if there was a butt in every seat. They have to account for such things.

padge
07-21-2018, 11:56 AM
Understand 100%


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ATS0921
07-21-2018, 12:17 PM
Wouldn't they have to drop the occupancy rating if they added more stock ballast? I always assumed there was a balancing act between stock ballast and occupancy rating?

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larry_arizona
07-21-2018, 12:36 PM
So the makai max displacement is 5200+4000+2500=11700

That is impressive considering an SA is
5450+3500+2400=11350

And SE is
5500+3500+2800= 11800


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13mobiusLSV
07-21-2018, 01:01 PM
So the makai max displacement is 5200+4000+2500=11700

That is impressive considering an SA is
5450+3500+2400=11350

And SE is
5500+3500+2800= 11800


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Youíre comparing 2019 moomba numbers to 2018 Supra numbers..stay tuned


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dakota4ce
07-21-2018, 01:30 PM
Dakota, you reinforced my thoughts on the added ballast. I had that scenario in mind in why I said extra weight is needed. Light crew is kids, not many people, whatever the case may be. They have basically put Enzos in a boat from the factory and people still are not happy, that's my point. I have been on 24' boats with enzos and nose weight, add in a few people, and they throw sick wakes and waves. I think you guys missed my point. Its all good. I would add weight to the boat as well, since our crews are smaller and smaller these days since the baby, but 4000 pounds is significant.

I think really the point I am focused on is that the rear lockers arenít able to add more weight elegantly with the ďtrayĒ arrangement.

Take a Supra SL, with 3500 factory subfloor. It still has a true locker to which you could easily add PnP bags. Makai cannot.

Thatís all I was really paying attention to.

The only company that comes close to loading boats out the door is Centurion it seems.


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dakota4ce
07-21-2018, 01:32 PM
Wouldn't they have to drop the occupancy rating if they added more stock ballast? I always assumed there was a balancing act between stock ballast and occupancy rating?

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Except centurion doesnít seem to have that issue?


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dakota4ce
07-21-2018, 01:37 PM
I think really the point I am focused on is that the rear lockers arenít able to add more weight elegantly with the ďtrayĒ arrangement.

Take a Supra SL, with 3500 factory subfloor. It still has a true locker to which you could easily add PnP bags. Makai cannot.

Thatís all I was really paying attention to.

The only company that comes close to loading boats out the door is Centurion it seems.


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Furthermore, possibly in contrast to what you suggestóeven if I have 6-7-8 adults in the boat, I FILL the ballast. The only thing that might slow me down is getting to a point where the motor canít hang in there. But thus far, that hasnít happened. I would not fill partial ballast when I have a big crew, unless I had to.

If I had a 575, I NEVER would have to I bet. That would be sweet! Like the wake 9 boatóthey fill that hawg no matter how big the crew, donít they?

Maybe that clarifies my thoughts some?

Sounds like you might do that?


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monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 12:14 AM
For those Supra owners ... few things I was told today (and saw some pics)

SL will get a walkthrough pad and tray underneath

SE redesigned with subfloor ballast as everyone can imagine

Donít know any specifics about SA or SR

All Supras will get 2 touch screens one center and one to lower right phone holder moves to the left ... looks a lot like the Malibu setup. Wasnít sold on that design ... looked like it was big and just in your way. After having a 2017 Malibu LSV and now the 2018 SL the smaller screen works perfect and gives access to everything when needed (if you have the steering controls - otherwise it may not be as easy but who didnít order that???) ... and to clarify the 9Ē screen is the same as nautique is using including software I think?!

No more remote on the left side center section to adjust music - new touch screen near the glove box to allow peeps to control sound, heater and hopefully nothing else [emoji12]

Walkthrough as said earlier on the SL no hull changes. New dark vinyl staying cool they say ... new color option ... wine red or similar ... wanted that this year but Skiers choice refused to do custom color ... grrrr ....

For those interested in plug and play ... Iím opening another thread for the SL ... canít and wonít do lead as my boat is on a lift so will post pics there to show how I did it ...

shockthis
07-22-2018, 01:32 AM
For those Supra owners ... few things I was told today (and saw some pics)

SL will get a walkthrough pad and tray underneath

SE redesigned with subfloor ballast as everyone can imagine

Don’t know any specifics about SA or SR

All Supras will get 2 touch screens one center and one to lower right phone holder moves to the left ... looks a lot like the Malibu setup. Wasn’t sold on that design ... looked like it was big and just in your way. After having a 2017 Malibu LSV and now the 2018 SL the smaller screen works perfect and gives access to everything when needed (if you have the steering controls - otherwise it may not be as easy but who didn’t order that???) ... and to clarify the 9” screen is the same as nautique is using including software I think?!

No more remote on the left side center section to adjust music - new touch screen near the glove box to allow peeps to control sound, heater and hopefully nothing else [emoji12]

Walkthrough as said earlier on the SL no hull changes. New dark vinyl staying cool they say ... new color option ... wine red or similar ... wanted that this year but Skiers choice refused to do custom color ... grrrr ....

For those interested in plug and play ... I’m opening another thread for the SL ... can’t and won’t do lead as my boat is on a lift so will post pics there to show how I did it ...


So where are you adding your piggy back ballast bags, right now I have 2 400 lb bags under each of the rear seats?
It seemed like it was enough, until we put a 750 on the floor as well in the middle of the boat, the wave was massive, it was so long at 12 mph

Ryann
07-22-2018, 07:25 AM
Yep I’m happy with my 18. I don’t like walkthroughs. And have you guys used nautique screens? In my opinion, it just gets in the way of what you’re trying to do. Go ride!

Have you heard of any new functionalities? Anything the screens will unlock?

And by the location my lead bags go, I bet two bags at 500 each put in the v drive locker would be sweet. I’m gonna keep my storage and add lead if necesssary. The boat is just so dang good with only 400 lbs. sips gas too. My 18 SL has exceeded all my expectations.

monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 08:11 AM
And forgot to mention - 440 upgrade now is no longer just the ECM difference ... not sure if this means that they are putting the so-called 460 in which you can order in an MB ... but was told that the engine would now have different cam shafts and whatever else to produce the additional torque

And pricing will go up 6% so an SL will come in at 130k base

dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 08:40 AM
Yep Iím happy with my 18. I donít like walkthroughs. And have you guys used nautique screens? In my opinion, it just gets in the way of what youíre trying to do. Go ride!

Have you heard of any new functionalities? Anything the screens will unlock?

And by the location my lead bags go, I bet two bags at 500 each put in the v drive locker would be sweet. Iím gonna keep my storage and add lead if necesssary. The boat is just so dang good with only 400 lbs. sips gas too. My 18 SL has exceeded all my expectations.

What motor do you have?


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Gearhead
07-22-2018, 09:46 AM
The ballast bags have the sensors like the moomba as well in 19

shockthis
07-22-2018, 11:21 AM
Will the new software and ballast sensors be compatible with the 2018 supra screens?

monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 12:04 PM
Unlikely except they provide new software and harness - the pumps are time driven so you would need to hook wiring from sensors into module underneath the dash and update software

monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 12:04 PM
And PNP write up is posted for the SL ... FYI

shockthis
07-22-2018, 12:39 PM
It would be really upsetting if they made to software backwards compatible for moomba but not supra. Maybe Goose could chime in?

monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 02:02 PM
It would be really upsetting if they made to software backwards compatible for moomba but not supra. Maybe Goose could chime in?

Thatís not what I said or meant. Skiers choice did make the upgrades to autowake 2.0 available for everybody but said that you need additional sensors and wiring harnesses. So the software update is only half of the cake - I would assume that both are eventually available but for the price of 3 sensors, harness and labor ... well the boat ainít producing a better wake so itís a convenience thing and you will be spending some cash to get there ... so I for sure wouldnít do it ... too much work for one (opening floor panels to get to bags putting a tube/sensor in and plum that into bag to measure fill level ... yadda yadda yadda ... and if you have plug and play then they would be incorrect like on the Malibuís 2017 and older because they only measure factory ballast

DatTexasBoy
07-22-2018, 06:44 PM
Youíre comparing 2019 moomba numbers to 2018 Supra numbers..stay tuned


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So trueÖ..

DatTexasBoy
07-22-2018, 06:56 PM
For those Supra owners ... few things I was told today (and saw some pics)

SL will get a walkthrough pad and tray underneath

SE redesigned with subfloor ballast as everyone can imagine

Donít know any specifics about SA or SR

All Supras will get 2 touch screens one center and one to lower right phone holder moves to the left ... looks a lot like the Malibu setup. Wasnít sold on that design ... looked like it was big and just in your way. After having a 2017 Malibu LSV and now the 2018 SL the smaller screen works perfect and gives access to everything when needed (if you have the steering controls - otherwise it may not be as easy but who didnít order that???) ... and to clarify the 9Ē screen is the same as nautique is using including software I think?!

No more remote on the left side center section to adjust music - new touch screen near the glove box to allow peeps to control sound, heater and hopefully nothing else [emoji12]

Walkthrough as said earlier on the SL no hull changes. New dark vinyl staying cool they say ... new color option ... wine red or similar ... wanted that this year but Skiers choice refused to do custom color ... grrrr ....

For those interested in plug and play ... Iím opening another thread for the SL ... canít and wonít do lead as my boat is on a lift so will post pics there to show how I did it ...

Your dealer is brave to hand out all that info!!! With that said, I hope its true.

goose
07-22-2018, 07:12 PM
Thatís not what I said or meant. Skiers choice did make the upgrades to autowake 2.0 available for everybody but said that you need additional sensors and wiring harnesses. So the software update is only half of the cake - I would assume that both are eventually available but for the price of 3 sensors, harness and labor ... well the boat ainít producing a better wake so itís a convenience thing and you will be spending some cash to get there ... so I for sure wouldnít do it ... too much work for one (opening floor panels to get to bags putting a tube/sensor in and plum that into bag to measure fill level ... yadda yadda yadda ... and if you have plug and play then they would be incorrect like on the Malibuís 2017 and older because they only measure factory ballastI cant comment on anything Supra at this time, but i can tell you the moomba sensors are NOT on the bag or tank. They are standalone sensors that measure the water level regardless what bag you use. So as long as you get a bag that has the correct fittings, you can add a bag and it will turn off when full. I will try and elaborate more later but this is an industry first and should fix a problem the entire industry has been facing of inaccurate ballast timers, gauges, etc. AND we are working with wakemakers so they can make custom bags with correct fittings that will hopefully be available later this year.

Also, on the debate about ballast and capacity, dont forget we have draft sensor to also measure that accurately. I dont understand the idea that passengers should not be considered toward displacement (???), but at anytime you should be able to look at dash and see what your displacement is and that will directly relate to how big the wake or wave will be. We also changed the Moomba amplitude bar so it is now in 3 sections. If you want a decent size wave, you need to be in the upper displacement zone. On the Makai, you need about 5,000lb displacement to get there. So full ballast and 5 adults, or 2 adults and larger bags, or 2 adults and some lead will all give you the same result. Anything more that 5,000lb starts to get really awesome.

Hope that helps.

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DatTexasBoy
07-22-2018, 08:35 PM
Looks like the Supra info may hit as early as this week according to a post I saw from Drew last week. Should be a fun week.

dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 08:54 PM
I cant comment on anything Supra at this time, but i can tell you the moomba sensors are NOT on the bag or tank. They are standalone sensors that measure the water level regardless what bag you use. So as long as you get a bag that has the correct fittings, you can add a bag and it will turn off when full. I will try and elaborate more later but this is an industry first and should fix a problem the entire industry has been facing of inaccurate ballast timers, gauges, etc. AND we are working with wakemakers so they can make custom bags with correct fittings that will hopefully be available later this year.

Also, on the debate about ballast and capacity, dont forget we have draft sensor to also measure that accurately. I dont understand the idea that passengers should not be considered toward displacement (???), but at anytime you should be able to look at dash and see what your displacement is and that will directly relate to how big the wake or wave will be. We also changed the Moomba amplitude bar so it is now in 3 sections. If you want a decent size wave, you need to be in the upper displacement zone. On the Makai, you need about 5,000lb displacement to get there. So full ballast and 5 adults, or 2 adults and larger bags, or 2 adults and some lead will all give you the same result. Anything more that 5,000lb starts to get really awesome.

Hope that helps.

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I donít think anyone is suggesting that you not count passengers toward displacement, rather weíre just saying it doesnít matter how many passengers we have weíre still going to fill our bags as long as our boats will pull them.


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dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 09:00 PM
Really no place to write this post, but I just spent some time on an SL 550 in 11 feet of water with about 1200 pounds of passenger weight and 1000 pounds of lead.

Ummmmmmmm....YEAH. Holy balls. Incredible!

I truly wonder if a 450 could move that load. Simply because there are more 450s available out there than 550s at a nice price.


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larry_arizona
07-22-2018, 09:03 PM
I think the point is simple, itís a hulls design that determines max ballast for a given boat.

Itís up to the manufacturer to determine how much of that is adjustable ballast, occupancy load and added content and features.

If the hull doesnít change you canít keep adding adjustable ballast without reducing occupancy load rating.

larry_arizona
07-22-2018, 09:09 PM
Really no place to write this post, but I just spent some time on an SL 550 in 11 feet of water with about 1200 pounds of passenger weight and 1000 pounds of lead.

Ummmmmmmm....YEAH. Holy balls. Incredible!

I truly wonder if a 450 could move that load. Simply because there are more 450s available out there than 550s at a nice price.


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I believe you were at 11300# and if I read what goose said about a fully loaded out makai at 11700# with a 400 and a wake prop pulling it fine.

I think a 400 would handle your 11300#, the difference in the 400 and 450 is 27ft lbs of torque.


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dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 09:10 PM
I think the point is simple, itís a hulls design that determines max ballast for a given boat.


And quite often people run way over that particular number without consequences.

But I thought someone said earlier that adjustable ballast is not counted toward maximum capacity?


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goose
07-22-2018, 09:11 PM
I donít think anyone is suggesting that you not count passengers toward displacement, rather weíre just saying it doesnít matter how many passengers we have weíre still going to fill our bags as long as our boats will pull them.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat makes sense and we know that and expect it. Maybe thats another value to the amplitude bar. I've always thought of it as a way to set expectations on wave or wake size. But it can also set expectations on how much load you will have on your specific engine and prop. As you said, all boats eventually have a max displacement that the engine can push. With amplitude bar it makes that visible before you attempt to accelerate.

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larry_arizona
07-22-2018, 09:16 PM
There is always a consequence to exceeding a boats max payload. Premature engine and drivetrain life.

No different that exceeding a trucks tow capacity, will it pull overloaded? Sure, but for how long.


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dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 09:57 PM
That makes sense and we know that and expect it. Maybe thats another value to the amplitude bar. I've always thought of it as a way to set expectations on wave or wake size. But it can also set expectations on how much load you will have on your specific engine and prop. As you said, all boats eventually have a max displacement that the engine can push. With amplitude bar it makes that visible before you attempt to accelerate.

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Love it. This amplitude bar measures hull draftóbasicallyóyes? Excellent idea. I could learn the limit and know before working the piss out of the motor in vain.


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dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 10:03 PM
There is always a consequence to exceeding a boats max payload. Premature engine and drivetrain life.

No different that exceeding a trucks tow capacity, will it pull overloaded? Sure, but for how long.


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Probably not apples to apples on this comparison.

I think before you start wrecking mechanicals, the boat simply will not get to speed. I donít think youíre going to grenade a motor or tranny running overloaded. It simply wonít pull it.....?

I am sure you will disagree with me, as per forum dynamics, but I have not heard of premature driveline failure in a surf boat due to heavy loads.

Maybe someone has.

Max capacity ratings are not correlated with driveline wear limits as far as I know. Theyíre correlated with the hullís ability to float the weight safely, no?

If the former were true, the 575 boats would have higher ratings than the 400 boats.




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Mgigs7
07-22-2018, 10:05 PM
Really no place to write this post, but I just spent some time on an SL 550 in 11 feet of water with about 1200 pounds of passenger weight and 1000 pounds of lead.

Ummmmmmmm....YEAH. Holy balls. Incredible!

I truly wonder if a 450 could move that load. Simply because there are more 450s available out there than 550s at a nice price.


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Letís see pics of that ride! How fast? R U sold on the SL now?
Iím waiting on the 19 SL, a closeout one The problem is, if they are that good there wonít be any :)



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dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 10:16 PM
Letís see pics of that ride! How fast? R U sold on the SL now?
Iím waiting on the 19 SL, a closeout one The problem is, if they are that good there wonít be any :)



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I didnít take pics, unfortunately, but do I have expensive taste coming from the big mama pump SE.

I was impressed. ESPECIALLY in 11í of water. Something I would typically avoid!

11.4 I think. Autowake ON. Pitch at 8.5 degrees and roll at 4 degrees, amplitude 100. People moving everywhere, pumps running all directions....just sweet.


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monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 10:40 PM
Your dealer is brave to hand out all that info!!! With that said, I hope its true.

I truly hope that the dealer gave me this info because I was talking about trading in and I also hope that this info is not that secret ... I wasnít told that but neither do I want the dealer get into trouble as this isnít my intent.

dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 10:45 PM
I truly hope that the dealer gave me this info because I was talking about trading in and I also hope that this info is not that secret ... I wasnít told that but neither do I want the dealer get into trouble as this isnít my intent.

The cats are out of the bag anywayóall over the place. So so exciting!


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monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 10:47 PM
I cant comment on anything Supra at this time, but i can tell you the moomba sensors are NOT on the bag or tank. They are standalone sensors that measure the water level regardless what bag you use. So as long as you get a bag that has the correct fittings, you can add a bag and it will turn off when full. I will try and elaborate more later but this is an industry first and should fix a problem the entire industry has been facing of inaccurate ballast timers, gauges, etc. AND we are working with wakemakers so they can make custom bags with correct fittings that will hopefully be available later this year.


Well I guess you did spill the beans ... the tube/sensor will have a wireless connection ... which is where a lot of things are going if they arenít truly required to be failsafe ...

Well on 2nd thought maybe not ... youíre running the sensor between bag and pump so if sensor indicates that bag is full then pump stops ... whatever you put in between the reversible pump as a switch will do ... same concept as you have on the touch screen and the manual switches ... in an home you would call it a 3way switch I guess ...

dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 10:51 PM
This is for goose:

Regarding full bag sensors. With the 2018 auto wake equipped boat the computer doesnít really care how much ballast is in each bag, is this right? It will continue to pump in or pump out in the appropriate spots in order to satisfy its sensors I assume. In other words when a ballast bag that is on timers reaches ď100%ď does auto wake stop trying to fill that bag?

Fast forward to 2019 and bags with sensors. I would think this offers an advantage from the standpoint that once the bag is fulóauto awake will stop trying to fill it; and if itís sensors are not satisfied yet at that point, it will tell you to move people. Because no ballast is available to affect running attitude.

What does the 2018 boat do in this scenario? What if you had your ballast timer set super long? Would it just pump water overboard trying to fill a bag that is already full in order to satisfy a sensor?


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monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 11:02 PM
That makes sense and we know that and expect it. Maybe thats another value to the amplitude bar. I've always thought of it as a way to set expectations on wave or wake size. But it can also set expectations on how much load you will have on your specific engine and prop. As you said, all boats eventually have a max displacement that the engine can push. With amplitude bar it makes that visible before you attempt to accelerate.

Except that prop is the one thing you canít control ... Iím the perfect example for that. Ordered the SL400with the 2277 prop because it worked well in my 2017 Malibu 23LSV ... except that the SL has a 1.5:1 tranny and not the 1.76 ... call me stupid because I was ...

So you would need to know pretty much every prop combination and test it to tell if the boat can do it or not ...

I learned the lesson quickly as nothing was happening when loaded up so got a different prop ... and it runs fine since. But with 5 people, 4 dogs and the additional 800 lbs of ballast the engine is running at 3800 to 4000 to push the weight ... and the wave is marginally better ... snot like your getting another 10 feet to play ... maybe 1 or 2 ...

As said before by others ... thereís only so much the boat can displace effectively regardless of engine ... except you consider a submarine a great surfboat [emoji12]

dakota4ce
07-22-2018, 11:09 PM
Pulling that load with a 400 is impressive. I am sure the wave is killer!


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monkey_butt
07-22-2018, 11:26 PM
This is for goose:

What does the 2018 boat do in this scenario? What if you had your ballast timer set super long? Would it just pump water overboard trying to fill a bag that is already full in order to satisfy a sensor?

Not to pretend to be goose ...

The 2018 requires calibration pretty much every time weíre filling initially - even without the PNP. Have to admit that I maybe should have never adjusted the filling times as they were going when the water was coming out of each of the vent lines but I did. Since then bags are full ... system keeps pumping. If I turn off cuz itís stupid to fill whatís full I need to calibrate. If I forget first thing after setting a profile is pumps pushing water from the lake thru some hoses back into the lake [emoji12] ...

What also bugs me is this ... if roll canít be achieved by filling either side ... why isnít the system first trying to achieve the desired result by draining one side and filling the other which would be faster and then attempting to fill to max again as surfing is a question of displacement as discussed earlier?

And last - for wake boarding (and yes some people still do that) - the front ballast is all what impacts pitch ... which sux because the wake plate could a better job and faster cuz steepness of wake pretty much goes in hand with pitch ... at least on the SL. Now having that said I donít need the front ballast full for wake boarding because have no skills ... but during each set I start out at about 50% in front at it will start filling to 100% if the driver doesnít adjust pitch or wake plate to keep pitch within the acceptable tolerance for autowake ...

rpspa
07-23-2018, 12:59 AM
In case you didn't know, we made a running change mid 2018 and the current Max rear bags have fittings in case you want to add your own "mid ship" ballast.

Was there a cut off date for this change? I took delivery June 16th. Would my dealer have details on what fittings, etc. are required? Or could you send?

BrettLee3232
07-23-2018, 01:10 AM
Was there a cut off date for this change? I took delivery June 16th. Would my dealer have details on what fittings, etc. are required? Or could you send?

Look at your bags


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jgriffn
07-23-2018, 01:30 AM
This is for goose:

Regarding full bag sensors. With the 2018 auto wake equipped boat the computer doesnít really care how much ballast is in each bag, is this right? It will continue to pump in or pump out in the appropriate spots in order to satisfy its sensors I assume. In other words when a ballast bag that is on timers reaches ď100%ď does auto wake stop trying to fill that bag?

Fast forward to 2019 and bags with sensors. I would think this offers an advantage from the standpoint that once the bag is fulóauto awake will stop trying to fill it; and if itís sensors are not satisfied yet at that point, it will tell you to move people. Because no ballast is available to affect running attitude.

What does the 2018 boat do in this scenario? What if you had your ballast timer set super long? Would it just pump water overboard trying to fill a bag that is already full in order to satisfy a sensor?


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On the 18 autowake will stop fill once it gets to 100% according to the timer set. If you set your timers long it will continue to pump water out the side until the time is reached. If one bag is full and the other drains to a certain point to where the set amplitude and roll canít be reached it will ask you to move people.

shockthis
07-23-2018, 02:49 AM
I think of all the things that that are changing on the new supras, I hope they move to a 1.76 :1 or a 2:1 transmission . I think that is one upgrade that needs to happen, before walk throughs or fancy screens etc. All my boats that were on the short list had 2:1 , the Sl was the only one without. When we go wake boarding I do miss having it.

dakota4ce
07-23-2018, 04:36 AM
I think of all the things that that are changing on the new supras, I hope they move to a 1.76 :1 or a 2:1 transmission . I think that is one upgrade that needs to happen, before walk throughs or fancy screens etc. All my boats that were on the short list had 2:1 , the Sl was the only one without. When we go wake boarding I do miss having it.

Have not heard this is coming.....personally.


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Gearhead
07-23-2018, 10:30 AM
its not. only boat that has the 1.76 is the new makai.

Surf Wagon
07-23-2018, 10:35 AM
its not. only boat that has the 1.76 is the new makai.If I understood correctly the new Makai gets it only with the 450 not the 400. Correct?

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trace
07-23-2018, 10:48 AM
If I understood correctly the new Makai gets it only with the 450 not the 400. Correct?

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That's what Drew Tinker said on FB, 1.76 only on the 450 on the Makai.

goose
07-23-2018, 11:04 AM
This is for goose:

Regarding full bag sensors. With the 2018 auto wake equipped boat the computer doesnít really care how much ballast is in each bag, is this right? It will continue to pump in or pump out in the appropriate spots in order to satisfy its sensors I assume. In other words when a ballast bag that is on timers reaches ď100%ď does auto wake stop trying to fill that bag?

Fast forward to 2019 and bags with sensors. I would think this offers an advantage from the standpoint that once the bag is fulóauto awake will stop trying to fill it; and if itís sensors are not satisfied yet at that point, it will tell you to move people. Because no ballast is available to affect running attitude.

What does the 2018 boat do in this scenario? What if you had your ballast timer set super long? Would it just pump water overboard trying to fill a bag that is already full in order to satisfy a sensor?


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I think this has already been answered, but in 2018 AutoWake would only fill until the gauge said 100%. If your timers were way off, then it would be possible that the bag was NOT full, but the system would NOT continue to fill because the system thought it was full. If you changed your timers so that it would always overfill, then you would eventually also have a problem because the system is NOT setup to overfill for long periods of time with 6 pumps. It is likely if you did that consistently, that your engine divider panels would bow or fall in and worst case it could pop off your fittings. Both of these are bad....

In 2019, on Moomba with the ballast sensors, you can run the timers a little longer to be on the safe side (you should still try and get them as accurate as possible), but once the bag is truly full, it turns off the pumps AND resets gauge to 100% so that you know it really is full. AutoWake always tries to fill first before draining so this should result in max displacement. There is also visual indicators on the dash that will give you feedback if the bag is really full or not. An example of this might be if you run all day with full ballast. As most of you know, if you run all day, it is possible that you can lose some water through the pump or if some air is in the bag. If the sensor originally said the system was full, then your gauge would still show 100%. But if you look on the screen and see a green light, that means you can still add more weight to the bag. Once the system sees full again it will again turn off pump and reset gauge again. It is a little hard to explain but I think as more people use this system they will love the added value of the ballast sensors.

Also, the sensors are NOT wireless. We actually have 2 designs based on the different needs and different boat designs. One is a true ballast sensor and it is almost the same design as our draft sensor. It is a separate tube located in the transom that measures water from the bag as the bag fills up. Once the bag gets to a certain height, the sensor knows the bag is full and turns off the pump. And I know it will be asked but the sensor is taller than the factory bag. I don't want to give away all secrets, but it works really well. The other design is more of a flow sensor. It measures water going through the vent line and as water enters the vent, it also turns off the pump. This design is used in some applications and will be the sensor used for the 2018 and 2017 Moombas. These do require a harness and software, but again they can be used with any size bag as long as you are still using the vent lines. Again, it is important to get the timers close, but it also has visual indication when the system sees water in the vent line and when it doesn't.

Lastly, the reason it is important to get the timers close is because when the system resets, it also resets the drain timers. If you always want your bags full, then you could set the timers to any time and the system would always get full and then reset. However, the pumps will still drain for as long as the drain timers are set. You would NOT want the pumps to overdrain for long periods of time if there is no water in the bags. This will wear the impellors and cause damage. The beauty is if the pumps do NOT completely drain, then with the sensors it still shuts off when full.

goose
07-23-2018, 11:08 AM
That's what Drew Tinker said on FB, 1.76 only on the 450 on the Makai.

To clarify, for 2019 Moomba has 3 engine options.

On all boats, you can get the 400 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

On most boats, you can get the 450 Raptor. It always has the 1.76 gear ratio.

On the Makai only, you can get the 575 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

Hope that clears it up. For most people, the 400 is all you will need and you can get the best prop for your application. If you are running heavy loads ALL the time, or if you are at altitude, then the 450 with 1.76 gears is a great option. If you want the best overall power AND speed, then the 575 is available on Makai.

dakota4ce
07-23-2018, 11:39 AM
Sorry for any redundancy I may have caused. I have a tiny little brain. Thank you so much for that explanationómakes sense and kicks butt!


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pedel
07-23-2018, 12:08 PM
I think this has already been answered, but in 2018 AutoWake would only fill until the gauge said 100%. If your timers were way off, then it would be possible that the bag was NOT full, but the system would NOT continue to fill because the system thought it was full. If you changed your timers so that it would always overfill, then you would eventually also have a problem because the system is NOT setup to overfill for long periods of time with 6 pumps. It is likely if you did that consistently, that your engine divider panels would bow or fall in and worst case it could pop off your fittings. Both of these are bad....

In 2019, on Moomba with the ballast sensors, you can run the timers a little longer to be on the safe side (you should still try and get them as accurate as possible), but once the bag is truly full, it turns off the pumps AND resets gauge to 100% so that you know it really is full. AutoWake always tries to fill first before draining so this should result in max displacement. There is also visual indicators on the dash that will give you feedback if the bag is really full or not. An example of this might be if you run all day with full ballast. As most of you know, if you run all day, it is possible that you can lose some water through the pump or if some air is in the bag. If the sensor originally said the system was full, then your gauge would still show 100%. But if you look on the screen and see a green light, that means you can still add more weight to the bag. Once the system sees full again it will again turn off pump and reset gauge again. It is a little hard to explain but I think as more people use this system they will love the added value of the ballast sensors.

Also, the sensors are NOT wireless. We actually have 2 designs based on the different needs and different boat designs. One is a true ballast sensor and it is almost the same design as our draft sensor. It is a separate tube located in the transom that measures water from the bag as the bag fills up. Once the bag gets to a certain height, the sensor knows the bag is full and turns off the pump. And I know it will be asked but the sensor is taller than the factory bag. I don't want to give away all secrets, but it works really well. The other design is more of a flow sensor. It measures water going through the vent line and as water enters the vent, it also turns off the pump. This design is used in some applications and will be the sensor used for the 2018 and 2017 Moombas. These do require a harness and software, but again they can be used with any size bag as long as you are still using the vent lines. Again, it is important to get the timers close, but it also has visual indication when the system sees water in the vent line and when it doesn't.

Lastly, the reason it is important to get the timers close is because when the system resets, it also resets the drain timers. If you always want your bags full, then you could set the timers to any time and the system would always get full and then reset. However, the pumps will still drain for as long as the drain timers are set. You would NOT want the pumps to overdrain for long periods of time if there is no water in the bags. This will wear the impellors and cause damage. The beauty is if the pumps do NOT completely drain, then with the sensors it still shuts off when full.

This is would be the absolutely best upgrade I can think of for my 2018 SL! Will this be something we can retrofit on the SL?

Gearhead
07-23-2018, 01:04 PM
Hays correct just the 450

DatTexasBoy
07-23-2018, 02:54 PM
I truly hope that the dealer gave me this info because I was talking about trading in and I also hope that this info is not that secret ... I wasnít told that but neither do I want the dealer get into trouble as this isnít my intent.

It's probably all good. Just messing with ya. yeah if your ordering a new one they kind have to give ya a little info. Good luck on new one!!!

NLindellDC
07-25-2018, 04:33 PM
I want one real bad. That's a beautiful boat all the way around. Does anybody list a boat for surfing with half the weight anymore? I know that's old school but was just wondering about fuel efficiency

Stazi
07-25-2018, 05:41 PM
I want one real bad. That's a beautiful boat all the way around. Does anybody list a boat for surfing with half the weight anymore? I know that's old school but was just wondering about fuel efficiency

Spending $100,000 on a new boat and worrying about fuel consumption? Who gives a crap. You want to feel the ballast as much as possible to get the biggest wave you can


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dakota4ce
07-25-2018, 05:47 PM
Spending $100,000 on a new boat and worrying about fuel consumption? Who gives a crap. You want to feel the ballast as much as possible to get the biggest wave you can


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No offense specifically to Stazió but I personally think that itís horse crap when this particular shaming comes out on the forum. Who in their right mind would not be more in favor of burning 6 gallons per hour versus 12? Especially if you have a 60 gallon tank and you need to purchase fuel on the lakeóit actually makes a difference. But whatever. Just because someone buys an expensive boat really has nothing to do with whether not they value a few bucks here and there.

But you guys can have your way with meóIím sure this is an unpopular stance. Because I have an expensive boat I should just probably dump fuel into the lake just for fun. 🤣


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padge
07-25-2018, 05:48 PM
No offense specifically to Stazió but I personally think that itís horse crap when this particular shaming comes out on the forum. Who in their right mind would not be more in favor of burning 6 gallons per hour versus 12? Especially if you have a 60 gallon tank and you need to purchase fuel on the lakeóit actually makes a difference. But whatever. Just because someone buys an expensive boat really has nothing to do with whether not they value a few bucks here and there.

But you guys can have your way with meóIím sure this is an unpopular stance. Because I have an expensive boat I should just probably dump fuel into the lake just for fun. 🤣


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I agree with you 100%!


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KnoxMojo
07-25-2018, 05:56 PM
I agree with Dakota and Padge. It isn't even about the money. Stazi, you are completely missing a huge part of this equation. Time on the water making memories!!!!! If you are burning double the fuel and have to refill more often, then that's less time to be out enjoying it. Not every lake has a marina, or they might only have 1 and it is way on the other side. Stazi, contrary to your own popular belief, you don't know everything, mate.

dakota4ce
07-25-2018, 05:59 PM
Iím not really going after him specifically, either, but I have taken lots of crap for similar ďconcernsĒ.

Oddly enough, the more money I have been able to make in my life, the more I have come to value the few bucks here and there. Iím not exactly sure why? But anyway, there is also a practical reason as Knox pointed out.


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Gearhead
07-25-2018, 05:59 PM
Spending $100,000 on a new boat and worrying about fuel consumption? Who gives a crap. You want to feel the ballast as much as possible to get the biggest wave you can


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your damn right I care. Gas on the lake can be anywhere from 3.60 - 4.50. with a 70 gal tank you do the math.

NLindellDC
07-25-2018, 05:59 PM
Spending $100,000 on a new boat and worrying about fuel consumption? Who gives a crap. You want to feel the ballast as much as possible to get the biggest wave you can


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I didn't take offense to it and I see your point to some degree. It always makes me laugh when guys care about top end, I only surf so I don't care about that. So the reason I asked is because everyone in my crew surfs regular. I have no desire to set up on the Starboard side or ever switch, etc. Also if I could run at lower RPM's it would be easier on engine and tranny, etc. I know it's old school, but that's why I bring it up, just wondering if anyone surfs slammed anymore. I went from Moomba to Centurion and now am eyeing this new 2019, so that's why I was asking

padge
07-25-2018, 06:01 PM
I fill my boat up every time I go out. Holds 85 gallons. So if the next time I had to fill it up it held 25 gallons instead of 40, that would be a bonus lol.


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dakota4ce
07-25-2018, 06:02 PM
I didn't take offense to it and I see your point to some degree. It always makes me laugh when guys care about top end, I only surf so I don't care about that. So the reason I asked is because everyone in my crew surfs regular. I have no desire to set up on the Starboard side or ever switch, etc. Also if I could run at lower RPM's it would be easier on engine and tranny, etc. I know it's old school, but that's why I bring it up, just wondering if anyone surfs slammed anymore. I went from Moomba to Centurion and now am eyeing this new 2019, so that's why I was asking

Yes of course we all surf slammed, but not listed. The surf system waves, for the most part, are superior.


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NLindellDC
07-25-2018, 06:03 PM
Yes of course we all surf slammed, but not listed. The surf system waves, for the most part, are superior.


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I'm sorry, I meant listed. And everything I have read about listed vs. surf system the listed wave wins, at least in some boats.

KnoxMojo
07-25-2018, 06:05 PM
Listed waves have a lot of power, but the surf systems create a better wave and keeps you in the pocket more like an ocean wave instead of always surfing down a hill per say

MJHSupra
07-25-2018, 06:06 PM
I'm with you on the RPMs. Every little bit helps. There is a thread on the Supra SL about RPMs, motors, props, weights. Good read to follow along.

NLindellDC
07-25-2018, 06:07 PM
Listed waves have a lot of power, but the surf systems create a better wave and keeps you in the pocket more like an ocean wave instead of always surfing down a hill per say

That's an interesting take and I buy that. Guess I'll have to demo and compare. My wave's pretty legit so it would have to be pretty impressive to impress me

padge
07-25-2018, 06:08 PM
Listed waves have a lot of power, but the surf systems create a better wave and keeps you in the pocket more like an ocean wave instead of always surfing down a hill per say

My boat listed is really too powerful. It kills your calves trying to put the break on all the time. After surfing even, then going listed, I didnít much care for the listed wave. Def doesnít lack any push lol


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Ryann
07-25-2018, 06:13 PM
No offense specifically to Stazió but I personally think that itís horse crap when this particular shaming comes out on the forum. Who in their right mind would not be more in favor of burning 6 gallons per hour versus 12? Especially if you have a 60 gallon tank and you need to purchase fuel on the lakeóit actually makes a difference. But whatever. Just because someone buys an expensive boat really has nothing to do with whether not they value a few bucks here and there.

But you guys can have your way with meóIím sure this is an unpopular stance. Because I have an expensive boat I should just probably dump fuel into the lake just for fun. 🤣


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Fuel burn matters to me. I'm on track for an easy 4k in gas this year. let's call depreciation at 8k/year on a 100k boat. That's significant.

Oh and 4k in cash spent equates to how much in income before taxes???? Good thing I have friends who help pay the fuel bill.

larry_arizona
07-25-2018, 06:31 PM
I donít think itís shaming, but itís a known part of wake boating. The mass of these boats and the load on these engines are high.

That said, the raptors sip gas compared to older GM LS based options. I have not talked to anyone with a new DI LT based GM engine, but I have to imagine they will do best on gas.






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dakota4ce
07-25-2018, 06:44 PM
I donít think itís shaming, but itís a known part of wake boating. The mass of these boats and the load on these engines are high.

That said, the raptors sip gas compared to older GM LS based options. I have not talked to anyone with a new DI LT based GM engine, but I have to imagine they will do best on gas.






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You missed the shaming portionó anytime someone asks about fuel economy thereís always someone who says why should you care you spent $100,000 on a boat (or something like that).


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Surf Wagon
07-25-2018, 07:03 PM
Stanzi just made an offhanded joke and got slapped for it. This is a great board and I enjoy listening to all you rich guys. Lol

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dakota4ce
07-25-2018, 07:14 PM
Itís not the first time that dagger has been tossed. Itís old hat.


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larry_arizona
07-25-2018, 07:26 PM
Itís not the first time that dagger has been tossed. Itís old hat.


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Gotcha, I am a newb, missed the joke, therefore itís on me lol!!


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Stazi
07-25-2018, 09:18 PM
Slapped? [emoji23] ok.... whatever sinks your boat brah!


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Mobius22
07-26-2018, 09:49 AM
New 19 Supra info dropping today!

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DatTexasBoy
07-26-2018, 10:06 AM
No offense specifically to Stazió but I personally think that itís horse crap when this particular shaming comes out on the forum. Who in their right mind would not be more in favor of burning 6 gallons per hour versus 12? Especially if you have a 60 gallon tank and you need to purchase fuel on the lakeóit actually makes a difference. But whatever. Just because someone buys an expensive boat really has nothing to do with whether not they value a few bucks here and there.

But you guys can have your way with meóIím sure this is an unpopular stance. Because I have an expensive boat I should just probably dump fuel into the lake just for fun. 🤣


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Totally agree with you. No shame!

trayson
07-26-2018, 11:44 AM
your damn right I care. Gas on the lake can be anywhere from 3.60 - 4.50. with a 70 gal tank you do the math.

That's a BARGAIN. we "topped off" my buddy's G23 on the river yesterday and gas was $5.50 a gallon and it took $220 without even blinking.

zabooda
07-26-2018, 12:08 PM
New 19 Supra info dropping today!

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Upper torso, oversized bust line. Lol

DFTR Josh
07-26-2018, 01:04 PM
Upper torso, oversized bust line. Lol
Taking the bust line and widen it at the hips...
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Stazi
07-26-2018, 01:08 PM
Wow. Thatís impressive. But does this mean no more toggle switches?


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Cactus371
07-26-2018, 01:15 PM
Yep the new SE video just dropped on their Instagram @supra_boats the new SE is looking pretty sick. I hope I can catch a ride on one soon. I think my SA will be up for sell real soon.


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DFTR Josh
07-26-2018, 01:15 PM
Wow. That’s impressive. But does this mean no more toggle switches?
From the videos I've seen there's no toggles in the views to notice. Wait till you peak the rear end :cool:

trayson
07-26-2018, 01:21 PM
Yep the new SE video just dropped on their Instagram @supra_boats the new SE is looking pretty sick. I hope I can catch a ride on one soon. I think my SA will be up for sell real soon.


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You've just been waiting for an excuse to get a bigger engine!

BrettLee3232
07-26-2018, 01:22 PM
I hate to be that guy but the SE looks pretty close to identical from a viewers perspective to 2018. 🤷🏼*♂️ still a bad ass boat but looks exactly the same. Sweet features though


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padge
07-26-2018, 01:27 PM
Looks like an sa in the front end to me. And the chrome grill on the side


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MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 01:28 PM
Who has the first orders in?

Red Boat going to be at the Jam?

dusty2221
07-26-2018, 01:30 PM
I hate to be that guy but the SE looks pretty close to identical from a viewers perspective to 2018. ����*♂️ still a bad ass boat but looks exactly the same. Sweet features though


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I'd disagree. It has an SA bow now. It was already a large bow, now it's massive. IMO gel patterns not changing much does make the new look close to the old, but I can assure you on the water they will certainly be noticeably different.

Cactus371
07-26-2018, 01:30 PM
You've just been waiting for an excuse to get a bigger engine!

That and more room for weight.


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dusty2221
07-26-2018, 01:31 PM
Who has the first orders in?

Red Boat going to be at the Jam?

Slalom Shop is bringing the 19 down, one of the first in the country. Only a handful of SE were built in July is what I was told. We are lucky to be having one brought down.

trayson
07-26-2018, 01:35 PM
That and more room for weight.


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Welp, sounds like you're in for a trip to the dealer! Maybe I'll be able to get back down to TX next summer. And if I do, you bet your ass I'll be hitting you up for another day on the water!!!

MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 01:36 PM
Slalom Shop is bringing the 19 down, one of the first in the country. Only a handful of SE were built in July is what I was told. We are lucky to be having one brought down.

That is awesome.

The local Knoxville shop was posting something about have a 'new 2019' boat next week. Not sure of the model.

MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 01:36 PM
I hate to be that guy but the SE looks pretty close to identical from a viewers perspective to 2018. 🤷🏼*♂️ still a bad ass boat but looks exactly the same. Sweet features though


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Front and Side Profile?

dakota4ce
07-26-2018, 01:42 PM
I hate to be that guy but the SE looks pretty close to identical from a viewers perspective to 2018. 🤷🏼*♂️ still a bad ass boat but looks exactly the same. Sweet features though


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I think itís completely different. Way deeper. New nose entirely.


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Cactus371
07-26-2018, 01:47 PM
Welp, sounds like you're in for a trip to the dealer! Maybe I'll be able to get back down to TX next summer. And if I do, you bet your ass I'll be hitting you up for another day on the water!!!

Your always welcome on the boat. Hopefully a monsoon wonít try and take us out this time. [emoji23]


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jmvotto
07-26-2018, 01:48 PM
here it is 24.5 ft Bad ass SA look alike



https://vimeo.com/281452185?ref=fb-share

Cactus371
07-26-2018, 01:49 PM
Slalom Shop is bringing the 19 down, one of the first in the country. Only a handful of SE were built in July is what I was told. We are lucky to be having one brought down.

I hope to catch a ride at the jam on the new SE.


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Stazi
07-26-2018, 02:03 PM
Damn. That is one awesome boat......that sucker is way outta my budget.


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padge
07-26-2018, 02:05 PM
Damn. That is one awesome boat......that sucker is way outta my budget.


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Shoulda been sippin gas and Savin cash


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Stazi
07-26-2018, 02:07 PM
Shoulda been sippin gas and Savin cash


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I know, right?!! [emoji23] Iím going to remove my Raptor and put on a 50 Merc. Thatíll do it.


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RC_Hinojosa
07-26-2018, 02:13 PM
That Vision Control tho....

2018 Supra owners be like.....


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larry_arizona
07-26-2018, 02:25 PM
Very nice boat, love the SA styling!!!


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padge
07-26-2018, 02:35 PM
I know, right?!! [emoji23] Iím going to remove my Raptor and put on a 50 Merc. Thatíll do it.


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Lol.


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Broke Pilot
07-26-2018, 02:51 PM
The new SE is an SA nose on a lengthened SL hull. Should be a monster! I’m keeping my options open with Rinkers on one! Lol
I heard you can get toggle switches as a back up, but they’re gonna charge a pretty good amount for them.

larry_arizona
07-26-2018, 03:34 PM
The screens are cool for sure, but not a game changer, I do like the gages and toggles too.

The previous gen helm styling is more aggressive in my opinion.

The passenger side screen is a nice upgrade.
To each their own.




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Broke Pilot
07-26-2018, 04:09 PM
I agree, I like my SA set up better. I get enough glass cockpit at work. But, thatís where this is all headed, nothing we can do about it. Lol
My wife saw the SE before I did, she says sheís sold! Guess thereís an SA for sale... hope they bring one to the jam so I can play in person before I sell anything. Iíd like to try that chill-tec to see if itíll open up color options too.

RC_Hinojosa
07-26-2018, 04:14 PM
I’d like to try that chill-tec to see if it’ll open up color options too.

That black and blue chill-tec seems pretty sweet if it really doesn't get hot, I dig that over the chocolate/peanut butter trend.

Surf Wagon
07-26-2018, 04:31 PM
That black and blue chill-tec seems pretty sweet if it really doesn't get hot, I dig that over the chocolate/peanut butter trend.X2

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trayson
07-26-2018, 04:40 PM
That black and blue chill-tec seems pretty sweet if it really doesn't get hot, I dig that over the chocolate/peanut butter trend.

x3

I've never been a fan of poop colored interior. :-/

Mgigs7
07-26-2018, 05:33 PM
x3

I've never been a fan of poop colored interior. :-/

X4



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Cody
07-26-2018, 05:49 PM
I agree, I like my SA set up better. I get enough glass cockpit at work. But, thatís where this is all headed, nothing we can do about it. Lol
My wife saw the SE before I did, she says sheís sold! Guess thereís an SA for sale... hope they bring one to the jam so I can play in person before I sell anything. Iíd like to try that chill-tec to see if itíll open up color options too.



Word is Slalom Shop is bringing one to the Jam

KnoxMojo
07-26-2018, 06:46 PM
I saw the new SE next to an SA in the water, the SE makes the SA look pedestrian. The SE is taller than a Max!!

MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 07:47 PM
I saw the new SE next to an SA in the water, the SE makes the SA look pedestrian. The SE is taller than a Max!!Did you get to one of the photo shoots?

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KnoxMojo
07-26-2018, 07:53 PM
Did you get to one of the photo shoots?

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No sir, but it was in Knoxville. Just have to keep your eyes open at this time of year for some of the new stuff floating around and being tested and ran.

MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 08:22 PM
Good for you. Advantage Knoxville. That white Moomba pic looks to be from downtown area by the stadium.

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KnoxMojo
07-26-2018, 08:28 PM
Good for you. Advantage Knoxville. That white Moomba pic looks to be from downtown area by the stadium.

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Saw those, had to be downtown Knoxville.

larry_arizona
07-26-2018, 10:39 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180727/f0e5b1d7d37586ac9a7e10170ee43e50.pnghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180727/ba47577b2270617b053f93c9e3f667ae.png

I get the iPad style screen is the rage with Malibu etc, but I still prefer the 18 helm styling.

The 19 looks like a Tesla lacking a dash pad and billet look, and the 18 looks like a sports car.

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MJHSupra
07-26-2018, 11:01 PM
Bottom 18 does look cool.

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Boonejeepin
07-26-2018, 11:49 PM
x3

I've never been a fan of poop colored interior. :-/
Not my taste either.


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MJHSupra
07-27-2018, 12:05 AM
Is your cell phone going to be roasting in the sun on that side?

I constantly hide mine in whatever shade I can find when driving. Usually on the right-side.

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Surf Wagon
07-27-2018, 06:52 AM
limousine tint those windows. I've leave my phone on the dash every since I tint mine. It over heated before.

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mgswake
07-27-2018, 02:32 PM
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I get the iPad style screen is the rage with Malibu etc, but I still prefer the 18 helm styling.

The 19 looks like a Tesla lacking a dash pad and billet look, and the 18 looks like a sports car.

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I tend to agree. New dash looks nice if you love technology. I guess I'm a little more old school, but to each their own.

Prospersigman
07-27-2018, 03:31 PM
The new 2019 SL had me at Hello!!

I have a buddy that is buying my 2017 SA this winter and I will be custom ordering one. I am waiting patiently for the build tool to become available so I can start playing with the options, colors, etc.

larry_arizona
07-27-2018, 03:46 PM
The new 2019 SL had me at Hello!!

I have a buddy that is buying my 2017 SA this winter and I will be custom ordering one. I am waiting patiently for the build tool to become available so I can start playing with the options, colors, etc.

Nice, certainly more change from a 17 to 19. That SL will be a beast.

Custom order is fun.

Guessing the SA hull will be new in 2020.

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Broke Pilot
07-27-2018, 05:10 PM
I’m impressed with the changes to the ‘19 SA. Gets the flip up sun pad seats and some cool stuff.

larry_arizona
07-27-2018, 06:39 PM
That Vision Control tho....

2018 Supra owners be like.....


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Says the guy without a Supra ;p


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Stazi
07-27-2018, 07:10 PM
Says the guy without a Supra ;p


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DatTexasBoy
07-28-2018, 09:04 AM
Who has the first orders in?

Red Boat going to be at the Jam?


My SE builds on August 14th

DatTexasBoy
07-28-2018, 09:09 AM
Word is Slalom Shop is bringing one to the Jam

They hope it is going to finish in time. Word is, it will be close call as to whether it happens or not.

dakota4ce
07-28-2018, 09:31 AM
Your boat in your profile though!!!! Good gravy man!!!


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dakota4ce
07-28-2018, 11:10 AM
Boat list*


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larry_arizona
07-28-2018, 12:06 PM
My SE builds on August 14th

Congrats, it will be an incredible boat.

Your boat list is downright baller status. [emoji106][emoji106]


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DatTexasBoy
07-28-2018, 01:48 PM
Thanks guys

Definitely not baller! Just hard work and I’ve been lucky to be in the right spot at the right time.

My dealer is awesome too. Rinkers Boat World in Houston.

larry_arizona
07-28-2018, 01:50 PM
Thanks guys

Definitely not baller! Just hard work and Iíve been lucky to be in the right spot at the right time.

My dealer is awesome too. Rinkers Boat World in Houston.

Hell yeah man, work hard play hard!




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MJHSupra
07-28-2018, 11:08 PM
Congrats, it will be an incredible boat.

Your boat list is downright baller status. [emoji106][emoji106]


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My SE builds on August 14thIt's like Christmas in August. Good for you.

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DatTexasBoy
07-30-2018, 10:29 AM
It's like Christmas in August. Good for you.

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I know most people wouldn't buy a boat in late August, but in Texas the riding is just getting good. Most people will quit going to the lake after Labor Day!

DatTexasBoy
07-30-2018, 10:31 AM
Not sure if anyone caught it in the video, but the new SE also has 2 JL-6.5's in the dash facing the windshield as well. A little surround sound action!!

Ryann
07-30-2018, 10:35 AM
Do I spy a new JL speaker or just a custom grill...? Itís in the 2019 SL preview video.

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DFTR Josh
07-30-2018, 10:38 AM
Not sure if anyone caught it in the video, but the new SE also has 2 JL-6.5's in the dash facing the windshield as well. A little surround sound action!!
My goodness I never noticed it, huge improvement IMO.
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Ryann
07-30-2018, 10:57 AM
My goodness I never noticed it, huge improvement IMO.
27397


Sweet! It’s only money!

elevatedconcept
07-30-2018, 01:58 PM
Having heard the new stereo and having some time to play with it, I can say with certainty its a significant upgrade in the Supra Line. The new dual 12s in the SE sound killer but again, I think the best sounding change they made was dumping those harsh tweeters and firing 2 6.5s into the glass. Really is impressive.

elevatedconcept
07-30-2018, 02:01 PM
Do I spy a new JL speaker or just a custom grill...? It’s in the 2019 SL preview video.

27396


A new grill for sure, all of the boat is RGB coordinated now including all of the in-boats and tower speakers which are now lit on a color wheel. Rather then being lit from the tweeter, the speaker is illuminated from behind so its a rad effect. Some neat stuff. The go pro app built within the system will be a really great addition as well for all of us who live with those things on mounts etc... That along with the push bottom start etc are on my list of favorites for 19-

Ryann
07-30-2018, 02:29 PM
A new grill for sure, all of the boat is RGB coordinated now including all of the in-boats and tower speakers which are now lit on a color wheel. Rather then being lit from the tweeter, the speaker is illuminated from behind so its a rad effect. Some neat stuff. The go pro app built within the system will be a really great addition as well for all of us who live with those things on mounts etc... That along with the push bottom start etc are on my list of favorites for 19-

But there’s still a key! Any ford guys out there know how handy a keypad is. Integrated into a start system with no fob or key is gold.

larry_arizona
07-30-2018, 02:46 PM
But thereís still a key! Any ford guys out there know how handy a keypad is. Integrated into a start system with no fob or key is gold.

Does the key just need to be somewhere near the boat for push button start stop to work?


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MJHSupra
07-30-2018, 07:50 PM
Got a look at the 2019 Supra SL today. Had the 400 motor. It was the new blue-flake and black on the outside.

With the new vinyl black/blue in the on the inside. I think Drew posted a pic on Facebook last week of the interior.

Really sweet ride. I might have some pics to upload, but iPhone pics would not do it justice.


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jgriffn
07-30-2018, 09:31 PM
Got a look at the 2019 Supra SL today. Had the 400 motor. It was the new blue-flake and black on the outside.

With the new vinyl black/blue in the on the inside. I think Drew posted a pic on Facebook last week of the interior.

Really sweet ride. I might have some pics to upload, but iPhone pics would not do it justice.


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Let’s see the pics, is it a different blue than they had?

DatTexasBoy
07-31-2018, 09:30 AM
Looks like that new blue will be popular. I used it on mine as well!

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 11:12 AM
Let's see if this uploads. Not the best from an iPhone:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1837/43763822511_b9db25bfb9_c.jpg

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 11:14 AM
Interior . . .

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/43763822331_e4c51a2aa1_c.jpg

Stazi
07-31-2018, 11:15 AM
Beautiful


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Shoebox
07-31-2018, 11:23 AM
Interior . . .

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1773/43763822331_e4c51a2aa1_c.jpgLooks awesome but holy crap that will get hot. [emoji91]

Ryann
07-31-2018, 11:30 AM
Looks awesome but holy crap that will get hot. [emoji91]

Dude, a step in the seat. Maybe skiers choice can hook me up with one of those my for my 18. It needs it! Nice improvements.

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 11:35 AM
Looks awesome but holy crap that will get hot. [emoji91]

Bro! Itís new vinyl that doesnít get hot!


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Shoebox
07-31-2018, 11:37 AM
Bro! Itís new vinyl that doesnít get hot!


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Broke Pilot
07-31-2018, 11:39 AM
Riiiight. [emoji91]

Yea, that’s kinda where I’m at... lol
I really wanna sit out in one and try it first.

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 11:46 AM
Riiiight. [emoji91]

I like how nobody believes them 🤣🤣🤣.

ďWe have CoolTech Vinyl.Ē

ďNo you donít.Ē



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trayson
07-31-2018, 11:57 AM
I like how nobody believes them ������.

“We have CoolTech Vinyl.”

“No you don’t.”



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I agree 100%.

They have already been producing cool leather in BMW convertibles. Why is it such a stretch to think they couldn't figure it out in boats?

Skier's Choice puts dark vinyl on boats that is tested to be 10 degrees COOLER than normal vinyl.

People's reaction: It's gonna be hot.

*facepalm*

because it would make a LOT of sense to heavily advertise a new product that doesn't live up to its claims... That would be fantastic marketing. /sarcasm


Look at this cool new product that we put over the windows in our cars and boats. it's called "tint" and it actually makes things cooler.

No it doesn't. It's dark in color. it will make things hotter. Dark is always hotter.


Look at this cool new thing called sunglasses that protect your eyes from the sun. they're called sunglasses.

No they won't. those lenses are dark. they always make things hotter. Dark is always hotter.

Shoebox
07-31-2018, 12:12 PM
I agree 100%.

They have already been producing cool leather in BMW convertibles. Why is it such a stretch to think they couldn't figure it out in boats?

Skier's Choice puts dark vinyl on boats that is tested to be 10 degrees COOLER than normal vinyl.10 degrees cooler? Okay, so instead of 140į, that dark gray is 130į. Whew, so much better! Nevermind that my old school light gray vinyl is 120į. You know, because it's not damned near black.


because it would make a LOT of sense to heavily advertise a new product that doesn't live up to its claims... That would be fantastic marketing. /sarcasmAnd no company in the history of marketing has ever exaggerated claims in order to sell a product. [emoji849]

trayson
07-31-2018, 12:23 PM
10 degrees cooler? Okay, so instead of 140į, that dark gray is 130į. Whew, so much better! Nevermind that my old school light gray vinyl is 120į. You know, because it's not damned near black.

And no company in the history of marketing has ever exaggerated claims in order to sell a product. [emoji849]

No, they aren't saying that the chill tech is 10 degrees cooler than black vinyl, they are saying that the chill tech is 10 degrees cooler than LIGHTER COLORED NORMAL vinyl.

So you can get that badass looking dark interior and actually have it cooler than your old school light gray vinyl. Where is the downside?!?!?! (okay, aside from cost. because I already looked into the chill tech to reupholster my boat and I've been told it's a lot more expensive.)

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 12:27 PM
I believe the dark is to be he same as old tech white in same sun. According to measurements and skin-witnesses at the dealer demo.

But again, theyíre lying most likely. Theyíre not going to pull this trick on Shoebox!


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Shoebox
07-31-2018, 12:32 PM
No, they aren't saying that the chill tech is 10 degrees cooler than black vinyl, they are saying that the chill tech is 10 degrees cooler than LIGHTER COLORED NORMAL vinyl.

So you can get that badass looking dark interior and actually have it cooler than your old school light gray vinyl. Where is the downside?!?!?! (okay, aside from cost. because I already looked into the chill tech to reupholster my boat and I've been told it's a lot more expensive.)

I know what they're saying. First, how are you going to verify that it's 10į cooler? Second, I can guarantee that that dark gray "Cool Tech" vinyl is still going to be hot, and way hotter than light gray "Cool Tech" vinyl.

The basic point being, I don't care what you call it, dark gray (or any dark color) vinyl is going to be damned hot in the sun. A little cooler than the exact same shade old school vinyl? Sure. A little cooler than scorching is still scorching.

Shoebox
07-31-2018, 12:34 PM
But again, theyíre lying most likely. Theyíre not going to pull this trick on Shoebox!


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Whatever. Enjoy your black Cool Tech vinyl. [emoji849]

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 12:42 PM
I know what they're saying. First, how are you going to verify that it's 10į cooler?

Pretty sure they have ďthermometers.Ē



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dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 12:43 PM
Whatever. Enjoy your black Cool Tech vinyl. [emoji849]

🤣[emoji1360]

http://www.syntecind.com/marine/marine-vinyl/vinyl-solutions

Liars! All of them!


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cpropes2005
07-31-2018, 12:50 PM
Even my light gray and white vinyl gets pretty hot in direct sun so I would be curious to see how cool the new lighter to medium colors stay.

korey
07-31-2018, 01:26 PM
I don't know how it works, but I sat in an all black Mastercraft with their version of this 2 days ago on a fully sunny 89 degree day and it was cooler than the lava-infused dove grey in my boat!

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 01:31 PM
I don't know how it works, but I sat in an all black Mastercraft with their version of this 2 days ago on a fully sunny 89 degree day and it was cooler than the lava-infused dove grey in my boat!

Probably a licensed version of the same stuff. I would imagine that is heavily protected.


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larry_arizona
07-31-2018, 01:50 PM
Even if itís cooler than white vinyl, I am not feeling the look of dark interiors in a boat.

Dark accents look better on lighter interiors.

FTR, the max coverage Bimini pretty much shades the entire seating area from behind windshield, so there is always a shaded option


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dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 01:53 PM
Good lord you guys! New product, better than old product, makes boat nicer, way to go SC!

🤣🤣🤣🤣


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MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 02:02 PM
Dark interior is not for me. Something for everyone.
Add a little tint to that window and you are ready to go.

Blue flake on the hull was nice when the sun was hitting it.

padge
07-31-2018, 02:09 PM
Dark interior looks awesome to me. I would rather look good and burn my feet off as I would the opposite lol. Boat interior has been hot for a long time. If you can get it dark and stay the same temp, Iím in.


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dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 02:10 PM
Medium gray or any medium color in Cool Touch. Freaking sweet. Would hide all the little crud marks. Yes please!


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DatTexasBoy
07-31-2018, 02:21 PM
I like how nobody believes them 🤣🤣🤣.

ďWe have CoolTech Vinyl.Ē

ďNo you donít.Ē



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True!!!! I took their word for it. I'll have report in a few weeks.

Broke Pilot
07-31-2018, 03:00 PM
Medium gray or any medium color in Cool Touch. Freaking sweet. Would hide all the little crud marks. Yes please!


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That’s why I want to try it first, I can deal with a little extra heat. But if you could hide a lot of ‘wear’ over time with the darker colors, I’m game!

dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 03:34 PM
Thatís why I want to try it first, I can deal with a little extra heat. But if you could hide a lot of Ďwearí over time with the darker colors, Iím game!

Everyone is missing the detail that this vinyl will stay cooler than traditional white vinyl. There will be no extra heat, unless they are flat out lying through their teeth.

And again, assuming that is true, there is no drawback compared to the current gold standard to ordering a dark interior.


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dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 03:34 PM
But I obviously understand that everyone would like to touch it to believe it.


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dakota4ce
07-31-2018, 03:35 PM
Thatís why I want to try it first, I can deal with a little extra heat. But if you could hide a lot of Ďwearí over time with the darker colors, Iím game!

I like that idea too, even after you wipe down white vinyl, one dirty little foot leaves a dirty little footprint on it. It would be pretty cool if you could hide that between wipe downs.


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korey
07-31-2018, 03:44 PM
The MC dealer in my area had a little demo setup at the Louisville boat show this year with the black Cool Touch next to some light gray non-cool stuff and a heat lamp and it was pretty telling!

JesseC
07-31-2018, 03:44 PM
Sorry if I overlooked this, but what is the "door" in the floor next to the driver? Is this an access panel or another in floor cooler???

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 04:01 PM
Sorry if I overlooked this, but what is the "door" in the floor next to the driver? Is this an access panel or another in floor cooler???

You can see it on the Supra Site: "Integrated In-Floor Storage Locker - The new 2018 Supraģ SL is the most cargo capable Supra ever. In addition to Surf Storage and loads of under seat cargo space, you also get this integrated in-floor storage locker"

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 04:03 PM
They do not show it open, but I recall a pic floating around with the locker open.

DatTexasBoy
07-31-2018, 04:03 PM
You can see it on the Supra Site: "Integrated In-Floor Storage Locker - The new 2018 Supraģ SL is the most cargo capable Supra ever. In addition to Surf Storage and loads of under seat cargo space, you also get this integrated in-floor storage locker"

They say it is insulated and can be used as cooler!

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 04:04 PM
Sorry if I overlooked this, but what is the "door" in the floor next to the driver? Is this an access panel or another in floor cooler???

Or you can stuff the kids down there when the "time-out" arrives at that time of the day . . . .

MJHSupra
07-31-2018, 04:05 PM
They say it is insulated and can be used as cooler!

That was the pic I noticed on Facebook.

They have a video on the Supra site under the SL build for 2018. About 55 seconds in the video they show it open.

https://vimeo.com/230182933

Cactus371
07-31-2018, 04:08 PM
I thought it was for storing shoes and had a trash can in there


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elevatedconcept
07-31-2018, 04:45 PM
All of these companies are going to this new vinyl for a reason. All of the products are doing roughly the same thing and they work. Its not hype, I have two boats with nearly identical base colors (Black) sitting in AZ 115 degree heat. The cool touch stuff is tolerable the other is 500 degrees Kelvin... No gimmick, NO BS. One is tolerable the other you can cook an egg on. This isnt brain surgery, the tech is real.

elevatedconcept
07-31-2018, 04:58 PM
10 degrees cooler? Okay, so instead of 140į, that dark gray is 130į. Whew, so much better! Nevermind that my old school light gray vinyl is 120į. You know, because it's not damned near black.

And no company in the history of marketing has ever exaggerated claims in order to sell a product. [emoji849]


No you missed it a little. The 10 degree diff is that being the new vinly in black vs old standard in natural and thats surface temp. What doesent get talked about is how rapidly it cools down rather then hold heat when you keep pressure on it. Black etc is still hot on the touch but where you would normally have to remove your hand, it instantly drops temp, and by a lot...

trace
07-31-2018, 06:03 PM
To clarify, for 2019 Moomba has 3 engine options.

On all boats, you can get the 400 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

On most boats, you can get the 450 Raptor. It always has the 1.76 gear ratio.

On the Makai only, you can get the 575 Raptor. It always has the 1.5 gear ratio.

Hope that clears it up. For most people, the 400 is all you will need and you can get the best prop for your application. If you are running heavy loads ALL the time, or if you are at altitude, then the 450 with 1.76 gears is a great option. If you want the best overall power AND speed, then the 575 is available on Makai.

Matt Brown,

What are the engine/tranny options for the 2019 Supra line?

Jon
07-31-2018, 09:31 PM
400 standard on SR, SA, SL

New 450 standard on SE and optional on all others.

575 optional on SA, SL, SE.

1.5 ratio on all.


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trace
07-31-2018, 09:38 PM
So the Moomba gets the 1.76 ratio tranny with the 450, but not Supra. WTH are they thinking?

larry_arizona
07-31-2018, 11:43 PM
Moomba >Supra lol


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shockthis
08-01-2018, 02:02 AM
No way, they need to give the 450 a new tranny. If I had to look at a 19 I would only consider it if they had ditched the 1.5

shockthis
08-01-2018, 02:04 AM
Could you swap out the tranny for a 1.76 ? If I could do it for a few grand I would.

DatTexasBoy
08-01-2018, 09:31 AM
Could you swap out the tranny for a 1.76 ? If I could do it for a few grand I would.

I really wish I knew why they decided against 1.76 or 2 to 1 on at least the SE!

dakota4ce
08-01-2018, 09:33 AM
I really wish I knew why they decided against 1.76 or 2 to 1 on at least the SE!

Shaft angles all change when they do that....I think theyíre more of an engineering challenge than people appreciate?


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DatTexasBoy
08-01-2018, 09:35 AM
Shaft angles all change when they do that....I think they’re more of an engineering challenge than people appreciate?


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Fair enough, I truly did not know. Thanks!

dakota4ce
08-01-2018, 09:42 AM
Fair enough, I truly did not know. Thanks!

I have only ever heard that. I am not a boat shaft angle engineer as a disclaimer 🤣


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Stazi
08-01-2018, 10:41 AM
I have only ever heard that. I am not a boat shaft angle engineer as a disclaimer 🤣


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As a former driveline engineer, I can tell you that that is bullshit. The driveline angles do not change when you change gear ratios. The only thing that changes is the number of teeth on the drive and pinion gears.


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Surf Wagon
08-01-2018, 11:02 AM
As a former driveline engineer, I can tell you that that is bullshit. The driveline angles do not change when you change gear ratios. The only thing that changes is the number of teeth on the drive and pinion gears.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's what I was thinking though I'm no engineer. It's just a gear box not a trans as we're familiar with.

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dakota4ce
08-01-2018, 11:12 AM
But....

I think itís more about the size of prop that you would then use with said gear ratio.

I think we all know and realize that the angle would not be correlated with any internal gear ratio.

But if you reduce the ratio, youíre gonna want to take advantage of its benefits by ramping up the prop diameter, and that has challenges when it comes to a thrust vector and a forward moving boat coupled with adequate hull clearance.

Again, all heresay. But I like the belligerent BS call! Makes others feel good. 🤣




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Stazi
08-01-2018, 11:16 AM
But....

I think itís more about the size of prop that you would then use with said gear ratio.

I think we all know and realize that the angle would not be correlated with any internal gear ratio.

But if you reduce the ratio, youíre gonna want to take advantage of its benefits by ramping up the prop diameter, and that has challenges when it comes to a thrust vector and a forward moving boat coupled with adequate hull clearance.

Again, all heresay. But I like the belligerent BS call! Makes others feel good. 🤣




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Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20Ē prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.

The other thing is that with lower ratios and bigger props with more pitch (as a consequence) the torque on the Propshafts has seen a major jump, with boats moving towards a 1-1/4Ē shaft instead of the regular 1-1/8Ē shaft. This increase in diameter although not trivial, is also questionable whether it is sufficient as there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.


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dakota4ce
08-01-2018, 11:18 AM
Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20Ē prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.


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Exactly what I was alluding to. I donít think the Supra clan is good to go with more angle....yet.

Heresay. Nothing more with regard to credibility.


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dakota4ce
08-01-2018, 11:31 AM
Yes. With Mastercraft now running a 20Ē prop on the X-star, then that requires a steeper Driveline angle to for more hull clearance, unless they change the hull design instead.

The other thing is that with lower ratios and bigger props with more pitch (as a consequence) the torque on the Propshafts has seen a major jump, with boats moving towards a 1-1/4Ē shaft instead of the regular 1-1/8Ē shaft. This increase in diameter although not trivial, is also questionable whether it is sufficient as there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.


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Also a worthy consideration!

I will say this, a recent adventure on an RZX3 with 2:1 was nice. 440 with 17Ē prop and 2:1 ran very well.


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Prospersigman
08-01-2018, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=Stazi;330090] there are numerous reports of people shearing the shaft right off with these higher ratio setups.

Just hop over to Planet Nautique if you want to read about props shearing clean off of G23s...

trayson
08-01-2018, 04:36 PM
I know what they're saying. First, how are you going to verify that it's 10į cooler? Second, I can guarantee that that dark gray "Cool Tech" vinyl is still going to be hot, and way hotter than light gray "Cool Tech" vinyl.

The basic point being, I don't care what you call it, dark gray (or any dark color) vinyl is going to be damned hot in the sun. A little cooler than the exact same shade old school vinyl? Sure. A little cooler than scorching is still scorching.

Guess there's no convincing you...


Pretty sure they have “thermometers.”

No they don't! LMAO



I don't know how it works, but I sat in an all black Mastercraft with their version of this 2 days ago on a fully sunny 89 degree day and it was cooler than the lava-infused dove grey in my boat!
:-)



Even if it’s cooler than white vinyl, I am not feeling the look of dark interiors in a boat.

Dark accents look better on lighter interiors.

FTR, the max coverage Bimini pretty much shades the entire seating area from behind windshield, so there is always a shaded option


No offense to your boat, but I've said it before, I don't like Poop colored interiors, so dark blacks and grays are legit! And blue/black metalflake exterior with blue/black/slate interior is gonna look amazeballs. My Audi is black on black and I love it. Nothing wrong with a murdered out interior if it can not burn ya!

larry_arizona
08-01-2018, 04:38 PM
Guess there's no convincing you...


No they don't! LMAO



:-)




No offense to your boat, but I've said it before, I don't like Poop colored interiors, so dark blacks and grays are legit! And blue/black metalflake exterior with blue/black/slate interior is gonna look amazeballs. My Audi is black on black and I love it. Nothing wrong with a murdered out interior if it can not burn ya!

No offense taken


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monkey_butt
08-01-2018, 04:57 PM
for those hoping for the 1.76:1 or 2:1 tranny Ö be careful what you wish for Ö last year with the Malibu 23LSV I had the 400 raptor/1.76:1 combination and the 2279 prop Ö well I ordered the same prop for my SL not knowing that it would have a different ratio. Boat didn't plane as soon as half of the ballast was filled Ö

So obviously a mistake and went to the 2775 (wake prop) which works great. But what is equally important is the RPM Ö now I'm running at 3400 - 3500 when surfing at 11.2. With the Malibu I ran at 3700 - 3800 and with more than 4 people more in the ball park of 4000 Ö anything above 3500 will make the raptor considerably louder Ö

One more thing I heard this year from multiple people on the lake Ö they can't believe how quiet the boat is - you can't hear it Ö nobody told me that last year and both boats were equipped with the fresh air exhaust Ö

So different tranny = higher RPM = more noise and if you really want to know how much Ö here you can get a taste Ö themalibucrew forum discussing 2019 changes there - and read the comments below that video Ö
http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.php?/forums/topic/66887-2019-model-year-updateschanges/&page=30

DatTexasBoy
08-01-2018, 08:20 PM
for those hoping for the 1.76:1 or 2:1 tranny … be careful what you wish for … last year with the Malibu 23LSV I had the 400 raptor/1.76:1 combination and the 2279 prop … well I ordered the same prop for my SL not knowing that it would have a different ratio. Boat didn't plane as soon as half of the ballast was filled …

So obviously a mistake and went to the 2775 (wake prop) which works great. But what is equally important is the RPM … now I'm running at 3400 - 3500 when surfing at 11.2. With the Malibu I ran at 3700 - 3800 and with more than 4 people more in the ball park of 4000 … anything above 3500 will make the raptor considerably louder …

One more thing I heard this year from multiple people on the lake … they can't believe how quiet the boat is - you can't hear it … nobody told me that last year and both boats were equipped with the fresh air exhaust …

So different tranny = higher RPM = more noise and if you really want to know how much … here you can get a taste … themalibucrew forum discussing 2019 changes there - and read the comments below that video …
http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.php?/forums/topic/66887-2019-model-year-updateschanges/&page=30

All good info. Sounds like there are definite Pros and Cons!!

This is also reason I went 550 on the SE. Hopefully doesn't have to work as hard to achieve said goal and gets decent fuel usage.

jgriffn
08-01-2018, 11:38 PM
All good info. Sounds like there are definite Pros and Cons!!

This is also reason I went 550 on the SE. Hopefully doesn't have to work as hard to achieve said goal and gets decent fuel usage.
I’m going with the 550 on my 19 also, lower rpm and pull more weight hopefully.

Mobius22
08-02-2018, 09:23 AM
2019s are hitting dealers!

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2019-supra-sl-400/

MJHSupra
08-02-2018, 11:49 AM
2019s are hitting dealers!

http://premierwatersports.net/boat/2019-supra-sl-400/

My first words were WOW when I walked up to that boat to take a peek inside.

Also noticed that silver-flake and white 2019 SL out in CA.

Time to start the boat ownership shuffle . . . . .

tater
08-02-2018, 03:09 PM
My first words were WOW when I walked up to that boat to take a peek inside.

Also noticed that silver-flake and white 2019 SL out in CA.

Time to start the boat ownership shuffle . . . . .
Pics of the Silver Flake and white SL ?

elevatedconcept
08-04-2018, 02:21 AM
The Makai with the new reduction is dynamite. Full ballast and 5 people and it laughed at the weight that was in it. By laugh I mean purred to surf speed, and then sat there sipping fuel at a cozy 3100RPM. Boat is unreal, plain and simple. I know Garcia did a writeup about how it prob isnt as good as an SL, I dont find that to be the case. I think being bigger it wants much more weight. Based on what I saw and felt at my feet, thing is as clean and has every bit of potential as the SL, without swell maybe it does not switch as clean, hard to say. But setup on one side? Would be shocked if it does not surpass the SL simply because its bigger.... I was throughly impressed.

I will tell you this, the boat is sooooo quiet... Prob the quietest boat I have been in during the last few years. 40MPH top, 3000-3100 surf RPM. Yes please.

I think their is still performance left on the table. Factory wheel is a 15.5x15.25, based on the juice it had down low its got room for something a smidge taller. When its all said and done in factory form, I bet this is a sub 3k RPM surf system boat. Let that sink in......

NLindellDC
08-06-2018, 11:20 AM
The Makai with the new reduction is dynamite. Full ballast and 5 people and it laughed at the weight that was in it. By laugh I mean purred to surf speed, and then sat there sipping fuel at a cozy 3100RPM. Boat is unreal, plain and simple. I know Garcia did a writeup about how it prob isnt as good as an SL, I dont find that to be the case. I think being bigger it wants much more weight. Based on what I saw and felt at my feet, thing is as clean and has every bit of potential as the SL, without swell maybe it does not switch as clean, hard to say. But setup on one side? Would be shocked if it does not surpass the SL simply because its bigger.... I was throughly impressed.

I will tell you this, the boat is sooooo quiet... Prob the quietest boat I have been in during the last few years. 40MPH top, 3000-3100 surf RPM. Yes please.

I think their is still performance left on the table. Factory wheel is a 15.5x15.25, based on the juice it had down low its got room for something a smidge taller. When its all said and done in factory form, I bet this is a sub 3k RPM surf system boat. Let that sink in......


This just makes me want one more!

DatTexasBoy
08-06-2018, 02:26 PM
This just makes me want one more!

Will a 15.5-16 inch prop work on the ?

DatTexasBoy
08-06-2018, 04:18 PM
Will a 15.5-16 inch prop work on the ?

Edit "The SE"

rpk2016
08-15-2018, 01:38 AM
27310

Seen on IG. Let the rumors start.....

Anyone know if theres a chance of a triple axle trailer for the makai, not a fan of boatman but a factory one might be worth the added style

dakota4ce
08-15-2018, 10:16 AM
Anyone know if theres a chance of a triple axle trailer for the makai, not a fan of boatman but a factory one might be worth the added style

What trailers do you like out of curiosity?

I have had a couple other brands and my Boatmate is heads and shoulders better from what I have seen.

Just wondering what else is out there!


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Stazi
08-15-2018, 12:19 PM
Just stick with leaf spring suspension and the Boatmate trailers are fine


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rpk2016
08-15-2018, 01:51 PM
What trailers do you like out of curiosity?

I have had a couple other brands and my Boatmate is heads and shoulders better from what I have seen.

Just wondering what else is out there!


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I currently own an older xstar and got a new trailer a few years ago so it wouldn't be as tall on the trailer and the wheel rubs the inside of the fender and have had a ton of issues with the hub. I have read online no matter the brand and everyone pretty much agrees stock is the best.

Stazi
08-15-2018, 02:09 PM
I currently own an older xstar and got a new trailer a few years ago so it wouldn't be as tall on the trailer and the wheel rubs the inside of the fender and have had a ton of issues with the hub. I have read online no matter the brand and everyone pretty much agrees stock is the best.

Boatmate is the stock Moomba trailer as well as many other brands out there......


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rpk2016
08-16-2018, 12:03 PM
Boatmate is the stock Moomba trailer as well as many other brands out there......


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I just knew Malibu and Mastercraft made their own trailers assumed skiers choice did the same but still curious to see if there is a triple axle option

Stazi
08-16-2018, 12:33 PM
I just knew Malibu and Mastercraft made their own trailers assumed skiers choice did the same but still curious to see if there is a triple axle option

Incorrect. They are made by boatmate too

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That Guy
08-16-2018, 02:38 PM
Incorrect. They are made by boatmate too

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180816/79cc32c6bc7d72dae691c328b2e727a7.png


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Actually Malibu does make their own trailers now, started about 2 years ago I think.

larry_arizona
08-16-2018, 02:56 PM
http://www.mastercraft.com/trailer



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Stazi
08-16-2018, 02:59 PM
Well...there it is.


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Prospersigman
08-16-2018, 03:44 PM
Get yo s--t right Stazi....so the internet police don't come for you.

Stazi
08-16-2018, 04:45 PM
Get yo s--t right Stazi....so the internet police don't come for you.

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larry_arizona
08-16-2018, 05:19 PM
Frankly, I want my boat maker to focus on making boats not trailers.

Not a fan of in-house everything.


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elevatedconcept
08-16-2018, 05:57 PM
Yes mastercraft and malibu are making trailers in house, but that doesent mean that every dealer orders trailers through them. To my knowledge, a ton of dealers will order those two makes with no trailer and then have baotmate make the trailers for them, an thats especially true in cases where the dealer also caries another towboat whos factory trailer is made by boat mate. Reason being? cost.

MJHSupra
08-16-2018, 06:34 PM
Frankly, I want my boat maker to focus on making boats not trailers.
Not a fan of in-house everything.
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I will second this.

KnoxMojo
08-18-2018, 03:33 PM
This may have been answered, but is Skiers Choice going to offer rear storage and engine tray bins for all the new boats or just some of them. For both Moomba and Supra?

larry_arizona
08-18-2018, 05:42 PM
This may have been answered, but is Skiers Choice going to offer rear storage and engine tray bins for all the new boats or just some of them. For both Moomba and Supra?

The SA needs an engine tray. Tons of room above the engine. One of the negatives of the SA is storage when ballast is full.


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MJHSupra
08-18-2018, 09:02 PM
For the 2019 Moomba line, Max, Craze Pro, and Makai have them.

Drew was talking about that subject a few weeks ago. Sounds like more boats will have them in the future.

Not sure about the 2019 Supra line.


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larry_arizona
08-18-2018, 09:18 PM
Pretty cheap to design and make via thermoforming


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Stazi
08-19-2018, 07:32 AM
If Craz Pro has them then they should be available to purchase.


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jcarter20
08-19-2018, 09:12 AM
If Craz Pro has them then they should be available to purchase.


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My dealer has a call into Skiers Choice about one for my 18 Craz as of last Friday. I will report back as soon as I find out. If they canít get one, I am going to make one.


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KnoxMojo
08-19-2018, 03:56 PM
For the 2019 Moomba line, Max, Craze Pro, and Makai have them.

Drew was talking about that subject a few weeks ago. Sounds like more boats will have them in the future.

Not sure about the 2019 Supra line.


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If they have them for the Max and Makai, they would have to be pretty close to the same thing as the SA and other boats with 102" beam.. I will see if I can get one off a boat at the dealer and fit it to the SA tomorrow.

larry_arizona
08-19-2018, 04:01 PM
If they have them for the Max and Makai, they would have to be pretty close to the same thing as the SA and other boats with 102" beam.. I will see if I can get one off a boat at the dealer and fit it to the SA tomorrow.

Subscribed to what you find out.


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jcarter20
08-20-2018, 05:00 PM
My dealer has a call into Skiers Choice about one for my 18 Craz as of last Friday. I will report back as soon as I find out. If they canít get one, I am going to make one.


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The dealer said they are about 3 weeks away from being able to get pricing and sell them. Guess I will patiently wait.


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cpropes2005
08-21-2018, 02:02 PM
So no tray yet for the Mojo? I wonder how far off the Craz dimensions are from the Mojo.

goose
08-21-2018, 02:27 PM
So no tray yet for the Mojo? I wonder how far off the Craz dimensions are from the Mojo.

Hey guys. The new tray that fits the Craz Pro, should also fit the Craz and Mojo and should fit for the last several years. To be completely honest, this tray was one of the last additions for the year and we are still a little hand to mouth making sure we have enough for production. That is why we have been fairly "vague" about availability. BUT, if you want one, you should contact your dealer asap and get them to order it. We are a manufacturing facility first and parts department second. I have informed the purchasing and customer service department about the possible demand for this since it fits so many boats already in the field, but we have NO idea how to forecast for that so they have started building "some" extra, but until we get actual orders, we don't know how many we need. So, if you get orders in, we can get a better idea of how many we need to get and stock. Hope that makes sense. Your dealers should now be able to get a firm price on their end and we can start delivering a few at a time, but all that depends on how many actual orders we get.

larry_arizona
08-21-2018, 03:08 PM
Goose,

Any tray options for an 18 SA?


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goose
08-21-2018, 04:44 PM
Sorry Larry, we didn't do any tray options for the 2018 SA. The Supra and Moomba "H-bar" in the center sundeck are quite a bit different in size and shape so I don't think the Moomba solution will work on the Supra. And for 2019, we changed the entire rear of the SA to include the new walkacross so you can't use a tray on a 2019. And like I said before, we typically spend most our time working on new product as the product changes and that is why we didn't tool up a solution for the 2018 SA.

Hope that makes sense.


Goose,

Any tray options for an 18 SA?


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jcarter20
08-21-2018, 07:03 PM
So, if you get orders in, we can get a better idea of how many we need to get and stock. Hope that makes sense. Your dealers should now be able to get a firm price on their end and we can start delivering a few at a time, but all that depends on how many actual orders we get.

Hey Goose. Do you know how deep the tray is? I called to order mine and it is fairly pricey. Just want to make sure I can get ropes and a life jacket or two in there before I order it.


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Willyourun
08-21-2018, 07:39 PM
Hey guys. The new tray that fits the Craz Pro, should also fit the Craz and Mojo and should fit for the last several years.

Would they fit a 2016 Helix?


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