2018 Moomba Craz wave help

[Snowslydder]

Hey everyone I purchased a 2018 Moomba Craz with auto wake 2.0 This is out first wakesurf boat we had Yamaha AR192 jet boat before this that would not produce a wake worth anything. We are still trying to figure things out with the boat and setting up the wake now that the break in is done.

First thing is the boats guide did not have any info on the auto wake so we are just making assumptions. We hit the left button till it had the auto wake setting ICON and set the speed and used default pitch and roll and put the throttle forward. we noticed that the speed would go above the speed we set so I am not sure what I am doing wrong there. I thought it was supposed to maintaine it.

Second what weight settings, wake plate and speed have people been using where they are making a wave with good push? I would apprcaite any help. Trying to get this thing dialed in for the upcoming weekend, thanks

[Stazi]

Do you just have the stock 650lb bags in in or bigger? The stock bags unfortunately won’t give you much of a wave to brag about, unless you weigh 150lb yourself. As for me, I have 1100’s in the rear lockers and for Natural foot I have 60% on surf pa
Late and 10% on the wakeplate. Goofy is 45/10 and we run 11mph.

The cruise might overshoot the set speed but really should come back and settle on it correctly. Does it hold Speed in the “Cruise” setting?


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[Snowslydder]

Thanks for the reply. I should have the bigger bags since 2018 comes with 3000 lb of ballast. I have not run it with just cruise control I was always on auto wake so I will test that out this Wednesday.

When you say surf plat you are saying it is down 60% on the surf side correct? Also do you max out all of your ballast? or have you added any lead ballast? Have you tweaked the pitch and roll settings at all and found numbers that you liked?

I tried to go ropeless (200LB guy on a 5'0 ronix koa fish) snd found I had decent push but when I cruised up fast and fell back I almost always fell out the back side. I plan taking pictures as I go through the process of making this wake awesome. Besides the fine tuning of this wake I love my Moomba so far.

[Stazi]

The surf plate is ALWAYS deployed on the opposite side that you surf on.

Sounds like you have 900# rear bags. I have 1100’s. I also add another 400 on the surfside and a 750 across the back seat. I’m contemplating getting lead to eliminate one if not both of those, but with typically 3-4 guys in my crew, we aren’t bothered by the extra bags for now. I fill everything to the max, and don’t use autowake for surfing. I think I may tinker with it again this season as some guys found a way to make it work for them, but when I first started out, I got quickly frustrated with it wanting to empty ballast to achieve its default roll and pitch settings.

For wake boarding I do use it all the time as it makes a great wakeboarding wave and also employs the “launch” feature for the hole shot which makes a huge difference in getting on plane quickly.


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[Snowslydder]

okay so you are running 1450 extra lbs on top of the stock 3000 lbs. Do you drive around 11MPH and does the engine have any problems pushing that much weight?

[Stazi]

okay so you are running 1450 extra lbs on top of the stock 3000 lbs. Do you drive around 11MPH and does the engine have any problems pushing that much weight?

Yep and no issues with that weight. I changed to a OJ 945 prop (15x13) to handle the load better, though.


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[Snowslydder]

Do you have the 400 or the 440 engine? And thanks for all of the help, I will play around with these settings and look into that prop. Super stoked about this summer of surfing.

[Stazi]

Do you have the 400 or the 440 engine? And thanks for all of the help, I will play around with these settings and look into that prop. Super stoked about this summer of surfing.

400. I could not see paying another $5000 for 40 more ftlb


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[RC_Hinojosa]

okay so you are running 1450 extra lbs on top of the stock 3000 lbs. Do you drive around 11MPH and does the engine have any problems pushing that much weight?

I swapped my 900s for Enzos and added 500lbs of lead to the nose, no problems whatsoever, I too have the OJ 945 upgraded prop.

[korey]

I swapped my 900s for Enzos and added 500lbs of lead to the nose, no problems whatsoever, I too have the OJ 945 upgraded prop.

Are the Enzo's common in the Craz? I want to order something today, and am back and forth between the Enzos and guinea pigging Wakemakers' ExactFit bags designed for the Mojo. I've got some emails going back and forth with Brian at wakemakers and I verified all dimensions on their ExactFit bags this morning. It looks like they'll fit perfectly, and come with fittings for about the same price as Enzos. Question is, how much weight do you really think you get in the enzos? do they fill all the way up? Do you have problems with them popping seats up and stuff? If you're really filling those all the way up, that's a lot more weight, but I seriously doubt they get all they full...

Enzos are described as: Body (Rear Compartment Portion) - 30 x 25 x 26 Arm (Under Seat Portion) - 72 x 25 x 12. my main question about size is, is that 72" base dimension the total length, or just the length of the arm? If it's just the arm then the total length is 102", and it seems like it is WAY too long for the Craz seat (88-ish inches from trim panel in the rear of the locker to the front of the seat compartment).

Also, do you have heat? Looks like my heater is going to eat up ballast space. Bummer.
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Wakemaker's Mojo exact Fit drawing attached.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Are the Enzo's common in the Craz? I want to order something today, and am back and forth between the Enzos and guinea pigging Wakemakers' ExactFit bags designed for the Mojo. I've got some emails going back and forth with Brian at wakemakers and I verified all dimensions on their ExactFit bags this morning. It looks like they'll fit perfectly, and come with fittings for about the same price as Enzos. Question is, how much weight do you really think you get in the enzos? do they fill all the way up? Do you have problems with them popping seats up and stuff? If you're really filling those all the way up, that's a lot more weight, but I seriously doubt they get all they full...

Enzos are described as: Body (Rear Compartment Portion) - 30 x 25 x 26 Arm (Under Seat Portion) - 72 x 25 x 12. my main question about size is, is that 72" base dimension the total length, or just the length of the arm? If it's just the arm then the total length is 102", and it seems like it is WAY too long for the Craz seat (88-ish inches inched from trim panel in the rear of the locker to the front of the seat compartment).

Also, do you have heat? Looks like my heater is going to eat up ballast space. Bummer.
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Wakemaker's Mojo exact Fit drawingattached. it's dimensioned differetly, but

My Enzo's fit perfectly and fill all the way without pushing up seat cushions. Yes, you will lose all under seat storage but you can still throw a few jackets on top of the bags on each side. What it comes down to for me is being creative with space in the observer compartment for some of my gear.

I do not have the heater so that's something I don't have to contend with.

[korey]

So, the length is OK and there isn't a bunch of unused bag wadded up in the front of the seat compartment? This sounds ideal!

[parrothd]

The enzos fit perfect, the heater is in the way, but only for 12in or so. I plan on using a crate on the otherside to balance out and have some storage. ��

Fatsac.com sells the enzo direct for $390,just have to email them.

[Stazi]

The enzos fit perfect, the heater is in the way, but only for 12in or so. I plan on using a crate on the otherside to balance out and have some storage. ��

Fatsac.com sells the enzo direct for $390,just have to email them.

Does the heater get crushed? I have one too, and that is holding me back from going to the Enzo’s


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Does the heater get crushed? I have one too, and that is holding me back from going to the Enzo’s


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You should be able to fold the last 12" of the leg underneath itself and keep the bag from encroaching on the heater....that, or move to Texas :p

[Stazi]

You should be able to fold the last 12" of the leg underneath itself and keep the bag from encroaching on the heater....that, or move to Texas :p

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[korey]

my '18 has a box around the heater that looks like it'll do just fine. I've been in a '16 Mojo that didn't have the box, so it must be a somewhat new addition.

[parrothd]

Hasn't bothered the heater, my heater has a plastic bulkhead around it. The bag just doesn't fill that part. My only concern is the other side has more lbs so have to take that into account.

[Snowslydder]

This forum is awsome, I have only been on here for a week. Thanks for all of the help. How much of difference does the prop make to the wake and perfomance? does it change the handeling at all or getting it on to the trailer? Did you guys self install it?

[Stazi]

This forum is awsome, I have only been on here for a week. Thanks for all of the help. How much of difference does the prop make to the wake and perfomance? does it change the handeling at all or getting it on to the trailer? Did you guys self install it?

Lower pitch means better hole shot.
Let me just start out by saying that you should not be power loading your boat onto your trailer, ever! So the prop that you have/use should not even be an issue. I have never ever had to use power to get on my trailer. The key is have the trailer deep enough where you can basically coast up to the front roller. If you are having to mash the gas to get it up on there you are not deep enough with your trailer. Don’t be one of those guys! It’s bad for boat ramps because it washes away the footing and way to easy to screw up and overshoot the trailer and destroy the hull of the boat.


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[korey]

This forum IS awesome! Enzos and fittings on the way for this weekend. The boat has 9 hours on it and I'm f&*king with it, WTF is wrong with me?!

Now it's REALLY going to rain all weekend, LOL

I'm sure a prop and something for the front will be coming in the next few weeks...

[jbird]

Are the Enzo's common in the Craz? I want to order something today, and am back and forth between the Enzos and guinea pigging Wakemakers' ExactFit bags designed for the Mojo. I've got some emails going back and forth with Brian at wakemakers and I verified all dimensions on their ExactFit bags this morning. It looks like they'll fit perfectly, and come with fittings for about the same price as Enzos. Question is, how much weight do you really think you get in the enzos? do they fill all the way up? Do you have problems with them popping seats up and stuff? If you're really filling those all the way up, that's a lot more weight, but I seriously doubt they get all they full...

Enzos are described as: Body (Rear Compartment Portion) - 30 x 25 x 26 Arm (Under Seat Portion) - 72 x 25 x 12. my main question about size is, is that 72" base dimension the total length, or just the length of the arm? If it's just the arm then the total length is 102", and it seems like it is WAY too long for the Craz seat (88-ish inches from trim panel in the rear of the locker to the front of the seat compartment).

Also, do you have heat? Looks like my heater is going to eat up ballast space. Bummer.
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Wakemaker's Mojo exact Fit drawing attached.

Thanks for the drawing, I'm on the fence about these "Exact Fit" bags as well. Hard to stomach spending over $900 on water bags! Wife won't be thrilled about losing all that storage space either! Seems like the Enzos are the more affordable option...

[Snowslydder]

Lower pitch means better hole shot.
Let me just start out by saying that you should not be power loading your boat onto your trailer, ever! So the prop that you have/use should not even be an issue. I have never ever had to use power to get on my trailer. The key is have the trailer deep enough where you can basically coast up to the front roller. If you are having to mash the gas to get it up on there you are not deep enough with your trailer. Don’t be one of those guys! It’s bad for boat ramps because it washes away the footing and way to easy to screw up and overshoot the trailer and destroy the hull of the boat.


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I was just talking after you idle it on if the prop would hit the trailer. For the question about spending 900$ on the enzo bags why no just buy these. It would get you the weight you were getting by adding the enzo bags, save you 350 and you can keep your most of your storage space???

https://wakeballast.com/500lbs-shipped-for-550-limited-time-when-you-get-10-bags-or-more/

[Stazi]

I was just talking after you idle it on if the prop would hit the trailer. For the question about spending 900$ on the enzo bags why no just buy these. It would get you the weight you were getting by adding the enzo bags, save you 350 and you can keep your most of your storage space???

https://wakeballast.com/500lbs-shipped-for-550-limited-time-when-you-get-10-bags-or-more/

Great....you just made me spend $500!


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[RC_Hinojosa]

For the question about spending 900$ on the enzo bags why no just buy these. It would get you the weight you were getting by adding the enzo bags, save you 350 and you can keep your most of your storage space???


If you have a lift, this would be a viable option....if you trailer, it'd be an effin pain in the ass. I keep my lead under my bow cushion so it's not a major ordeal to move from the bow to the truck bed. If my lead was tucked in the corners of the rear lockers it'd be hard to move back and forth and you really don't want to trailer with it in your boat.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Great....you just made me spend $500!


Stazi, Lead Wake has buy 9 bags, get the 10th bag free. Free shipping and different color choices too. My blue bags came out pretty sweet.

[Stazi]

Stazi, Lead Wake has buy 9 bags, get the 10th bag free. Free shipping and different color choices too. My blue bags came out pretty sweet.
I got 500# shipped for $495, so I can't complain. Also they don't use actual lead (it's steel shot), so health wise a better option.

Thanks for the info though. Maybe someone else will find it a better option of the Wakeballast.com deal... BTW, the code for the discount is "INSTA"

[RC_Hinojosa]

Also they don't use actual lead (it's steel shot), so health wise a better option.


LOL, no one uses actual lead....both Wake Ballast and Lead Wake use steel shot, as well as POP Products. POP is the cheapest but their bags seem flimsy and aren't wrapped in Cordura.

[Devo30]

Stazi,
After you ordered your lead, what are you going to have in total ballast?
Were you happy with what you had before and just needed a little extra?
I have 3000lbs currently and generally not a real big crew, decent wake but just wondering if I should add another 500lbs of lead.

[Stazi]

Stazi,
After you ordered your lead, what are you going to have in total ballast?
Were you happy with what you had before and just needed a little extra?
I have 3000lbs currently and generally not a real big crew, decent wake but just wondering if I should add another 500lbs of lead.

Ideally I would like to see if I can eliminate one or two of the additional bags tthat I use right now on the seats. I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to do it with just 500 pounds of “lead“ in bags but I’m going to see. At the very least perhaps I can get away with just one 400 pound bag on one of the seats which will be a lot better than taking up half of the cabin area with additional ballast bags. If only I had some more people in my crew that weren’t afraid of getting up in the morning to go surf then I wouldn’t need to add ballast! Lazy sumbitches! They think that I am unreasonable to not want to go out and try to surf at 1 PM in the afternoon when every dickhead is out there with a tube or a Jet Ski; turning the water into a fucking washing machine.
Conversely I’m not the same kind of asshole that goes out at 7 AM to ruin glass by surfing. We typically go out early 7-8am and get everyone’s wakeboard sets in, and then usually around about 10 AM we start to surf.

Right now I have 1100’s in the back, 500 IBS and 700 Center tank. That’s 3300lbs hidden. So if I can use the 500# lead and another 400 if I need it I’d be around 4200lb all up not counting meat popsicles in the boat.


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[Prospersigman]

and you really don't want to trailer with it in your boat.

Is this a personal opinion or are the actual facts behind not hauling the boat on the trailer with the lead left in it?

Just curious, not trying to flame you RC, but I keep 750 lbs spread around in various spots in my boat all the time and trailer with no issues.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Is this a personal opinion or are the actual facts behind not hauling the boat on the trailer with the lead left in it?

Just curious, not trying to flame you RC, but I keep 750 lbs spread around in various spots in my boat all the time and trailer with no issues.Boatmate trailers warns against it. I'm not saying you can't trailer with lead in your boat, it's just that it'd likely lead to premature wear of an axle bearing or whatnot. This is an instance where I'd rather err on the side of caution and know I won't be given any grief if a trailer failure were to occur.

You can flame me all you want but I lost a wheel on the highway pulling my old boat & trailer. The axle gave out from the trailer being overloaded.

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[parrothd]

Boatmate trailers warns against it. I'm not saying you can't trailer with lead in your boat, it's just that it'd likely lead to premature wear of an axle bearing or whatnot. This is an instance where I'd rather err on the side of caution and know I won't be given any grief if a trailer failure were to occur.

You can flame me all you want but I lost a wheel on the highway pulling my old boat & trailer. The axle gave out from the trailer being overloaded.

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If it was a boatmate trailer that was a design flaw. :)

[Snowslydder]

Ideally I would like to see if I can eliminate one or two of the additional bags tthat I use right now on the seats. I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to do it with just 500 pounds of “lead“ in bags but I’m going to see. At the very least perhaps I can get away with just one 400 pound bag on one of the seats which will be a lot better than taking up half of the cabin area with additional ballast bags. If only I had some more people in my crew that weren’t afraid of getting up in the morning to go surf then I wouldn’t need to add ballast! Lazy sumbitches! They think that I am unreasonable to not want to go out and try to surf at 1 PM in the afternoon when every dickhead is out there with a tube or a Jet Ski; turning the water into a fucking washing machine.
Conversely I’m not the same kind of asshole that goes out at 7 AM to ruin glass by surfing. We typically go out early 7-8am and get everyone’s wakeboard sets in, and then usually around about 10 AM we start to surf.

Right now I have 1100’s in the back, 500 IBS and 700 Center tank. That’s 3300lbs hidden. So if I can use the 500# lead and another 400 if I need it I’d be around 4200lb all up not counting meat popsicles in the boat.


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I could not agree with you more. You figure someone says hey would you like to come ride on a bad ass boat for free just bring your own beer and snacks people would be all over it. Then they complain about getting up early but have no idea what a boat launch is like at noon. My wife and I are confused by the "I want to stay home and do nothing on a beautiful day" attitude.

On the lead weight thing, my 3.5 ford f150 can tow 11.5k so I am not worried about adding another 500lbs to this boat.

[RC_Hinojosa]

On the lead weight thing, my 3.5 ford f150 can tow 11.5k so I am not worried about adding another 500lbs to this boat.

I have a 6.7L F-250, there was never any contention about tow rigs or tow rig capacity...

[corvette8189]

Enzos in my mojo. Fills all the way and uses all under seat storage
https://i.imgur.com/8y5f2Mh.jpg

[Snowslydder]

I like the green bags(SEAHAWKS), My wife is not going to be happy about all of the loss in storage. where do you keep all of your jackets, snacks, ETC. Do you have any pictures of the wake?

[korey]

I'm pretty stoked to get it rolling this weekend! i realized this morning that i brain farted and only ordered half the fittings that i need (G6 pumps), so now I've got 4 more coming UPS RED - $27 in fittings, $33 in shipping...

[Stazi]

I'm pretty stoked to get it rolling this weekend! i realized this morning that i brain farted and only ordered half the fittings that i need (G6 pumps), so now I've got 4 more coming UPS RED - $27 in fittings, $33 in shipping...

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[RC_Hinojosa]

I'm pretty stoked to get it rolling this weekend! i realized this morning that i brain farted and only ordered half the fittings that i need (G6 pumps), so now I've got 4 more coming UPS RED - $27 in fittings, $33 in shipping...

Korey, not to hijack this thread but weren't you working on engine bay storage trays? Wasn't that gonna be a mass production thing?

[korey]

Uh oh, hijack time!

Yes, that was me working on that. I've got a design and decided to wait until my boat came to tweak it and then "go to market" with it. It was a flexible/configurable design so i should be able to adapt it to other boats /needs easily (deep bins for stock boats, shallow bins for boats with 110's/enzos, etc). Now my boat is here, and A) all of my free time goes to using it, and B) I'm killing all of that space with MOAR BALLAST!!

I'll get back around to that sooner or later. I also had the idea of something to put on the under side of the locker hatches to hold ropes. Maybe a mesh pocket something like what the surf pockets on the Bimini are made of... I'll just have to see how much space is left when I get the Enzos full.

[mattsask]

Enzos in my mojo. Fills all the way and uses all under seat storage
https://i.imgur.com/8y5f2Mh.jpgAm I seeing lead and enzo's? You are my idol. How much are you running in that mojo? That wave must be wild!

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[Devo30]

How are you guys setting up your boats for goofy riders? I have an excellent wake on the other side but struggling dialing it in on goofy. I have pretty much given up on autowake, should keep fooling around with it but I only have so much time on the lake!
Thanks, Devo

[mattsask]

Surf tab 70 to 75%. Wakeplate deployed 1/4 or less. Favor a passenger or 2 to surf side.. goofy side just needs a bit extra list to clean up the wave. How much ballast are you running? I make the payments and I surf goofy, so I've got it dialed. Here is a pic of my goofy wave with 4600# set up like I suggested.
How are you guys setting up your boats for goofy riders? I have an excellent wake on the other side but struggling dialing it in on goofy. I have pretty much given up on autowake, should keep fooling around with it but I only have so much time on the lake!
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[mattsask]

Also, I find bumping up the speed a bit helps the goofy wave

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[Devo30]

Surf tab 70 to 75%. Wakeplate deployed 1/4 or less. Favor a passenger or 2 to surf side.. goofy side just needs a bit extra list to clean up the wave. How much ballast are you running? I make the payments and I surf goofy, so I've got it dialed. Here is a pic of my goofy wave with 4600# set up like I suggested.

Thanks Matt, that is awesome looking wake. I maybe had my surf tab off a little bit, will also try to take off a little ballast on the other side, speed up and see what happens. Currently running 3000lbs of ballast, works extremly well for me to surf on the on the other side.
Thanks again,

[mattsask]

Surf tab 70 to 75%. Wakeplate deployed 1/4 or less. Favor a passenger or 2 to surf side.. goofy side just needs a bit extra list to clean up the wave. How much ballast are you running? I make the payments and I surf goofy, so I've got it dialed. Here is a pic of my goofy wave with 4600# set up like I suggested.

Thanks Matt, that is awesome looking wake. I maybe had my surf tab off a little bit, will also try to take off a little ballast on the other side, speed up and see what happens. Currently running 3000lbs of ballast, works extremly well for me to surf on the on the other side.
Thanks again,There is a thread that I started in 2016 called "the official slam your craz and surf it thread" . There was some good collaboration in that thread. Check it out. I think it's in the surfing section.

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[Devo30]

There is a thread that I started in 2016 called "the official slam your craz and surf it thread" . There was some good collaboration in that thread. Check it out. I think it's in the surfing section.


Thanks for the thread info, great read.

[korey]

Still got some dialing in to do, but the extra weight really woke the craze up! Just like Matt said above I make the payments, and ride Goofy, so that gets all the attention! Actually most of my crew rides goofy, because they learn behind my boat, and my last boat was not so easy to change over, LOL

Just a driver in the boat, enzos in the rear, Autowake 9.0 pitch, 4.0 roll 11.4mph.
https://i.imgur.com/Abfq94Z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VYUAonx.jpg

[Snowslydder]

I will add pictures when I got home. We took the boat out and tried regular, full stock ballast, stock pitch and roll, wake plate at 20% (thinking about trying 0%) surf at 50%, with 1 driver, 1 adult and a 50lb kid on the surf side.

I was able to ride for about 20-25 seconds before washing out the back. I am riding a 5'0 ronix koal fish and I am 5'10 205 lbs. The wife does not know how to surf but is learning and she could keep slack in the line for most of her ride. Looking at the pictures above I clearly need more weight, I am going to move around the 350lb bags from the old boat and order lead soon.

Do you think with the new weight the 5'0 will be fine or doe I need a 5'5 or something for how heavy I am?

[korey]

My buddy shown there is probably 5'7" and 140 lbs wet, lol. He's riding my hyperlite shim 5'3". I ride ithe same board, same wake at 260 lbs, no problem.

[corvette8189]

Am I seeing lead and enzo's? You are my idol. How much are you running in that mojo? That wave must be wild!

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500LB of lead.

Throws a pretty good wave. Still dialing everything in.
https://i.imgur.com/GNZXaMz.jpg

[Snowslydder]

Hey is there a way to change the flow plates while in auto wake or do you have to go to the main blue menu every time?

[Stazi]

Hey is there a way to change the flow plates while in auto wake or do you have to go to the main blue menu every time?

What year boat do you have?


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[Snowslydder]

What year boat do you have?


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2018 Craz with the auto wake 2.0

Here is the video for the first time now that the engine is broken in. I apologize for the qaulity of the video and the bad camera work. My Dad was the one shooting it on his Nikon. We will film future videos with a hull mounted GOPRO. This was us with stock ballast and not a lot of knowledge. I have two 350 bags SUMO bags that I am going to use until we upgrade to ENZO or WAKEMAKER bags(wife does not want to lose all of that storage), and I bought the 500lbs of lead from wakeballast.com today.(sorry post man) We cannot wait for that to show up so we can get out there to start tweaking the wake some more. I will keep posting pics as we figure it out.

Standard ballast filled all the way up 3000 lbs
+2 Adults in the boat
Flow plate 50%
Wake plate 25%
Pitch and Roll stock settings
Speed 10.8
Rider 5'10 205lbs
Board Ronix Koal Fish 5'0

https://youtu.be/krE1U8FeBjo

[Stazi]

2018 Craz with the auto wake 2.0

Here is the video for the first time now that the engine is broken in. I apologize for the qaulity of the video and the bad camera work. My Dad was the one shooting it on his Nikon. We will film future videos with a hull mounted GOPRO. This was us with stock ballast and not a lot of knowledge. I have two 350 bags SUMO bags that I am going to use until we upgrade to ENZO or WAKEMAKER bags(wife does not want to lose all of that storage), and I bought the 500lbs of lead from wakeballast.com today.(sorry post man) We cannot wait for that to show up so we can get out there to start tweaking the wake some more. I will keep posting pics as we figure it out.

Standard ballast filled all the way up 3000 lbs
+2 Adults in the boat
Flow plate 50%
Wake plate 25%
Pitch and Roll stock settings
Speed 10.8
Rider 5'10 205lbs
Board Ronix Koal Fish 5'0

https://youtu.be/krE1U8FeBjo

OK in that case it’s pretty simple to change the adjustment on the surf plate. All you do is go into the second screen when you are not in autowake, and after you engage the side you want to surf on, you use the black buttons on the dash that are underneath the + and - yellow carats to adjust the plate up or down. For surfing on the port side I do not go more than 55% or the wave just goes flat. I still don’t understand why people crank it all the way down to 75-80% and think that this is going to make a bigger wake; because it will not. I think people assume that the more that you deploy the plate the bigger the wave gets, but that’s not how it works at all, as it reaches a point at which the more you deploy the plate, it starts to lift the boat out of the water on the opposite side of the wake that you are surfing and this basically counteracts the ballast that you have put in the boat. I also do not use Autowake for surfing, only wakeboarding.
And another tip is that if you do use it MANUALLY FILL ALL YOU BALLAST TO 100% FIRST, before you turn it on.

Here is the settings I had from this past weekend for my buddies surfing on the port side (natural foot). I’m a goofy footer and my settings are different slightly.
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[Snowslydder]

Thanks, I was aware of that page, just found it odd that the autowake did not have a way to get there. My wave was to steep and too short so there was no pocket. I think the poor use of plates and slow speed were the main factor. I will try those setting, do you pay attention to the pitch and roll at all

[Stazi]

Thanks, I was aware of that page, just found it odd that the autowake did not have a way to get there. My wave was to steep and too short so there was no pocket. I think the poor use of plates and slow speed were the main factor. I will try those setting, do you pay attention to the pitch and roll at all

No. I tune by sight and how the wave rides


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[stevemarich]

https://youtu.be/vgLYkRJmz7Y

If the link will work this was our first trip out this year, auto wake at 9 pitch 4.5 roll wake plate 0 surf plate at 65%. No extra weight on this run, just 1140 rears factory bow bag me driving and my youngest in the boat

[Snowslydder]

looks great gave it a like. I love the PNW lakes they are awesome

[DaveM]

I'm going to weigh in since I have a 2018 Craz. First, I've learned to use Autowake and it works! Trust it, it gives the best results. I use 200# of lead, split evenly and stock ballast for a great wake. 10.4 MPH, and surf plate at 65 or 60. Usually just a driver an one passenger. I don't understand why others are adding so much extra weight. I'm 6'1', 188# and get plenty of push on port side surging.

The Craz is a great boat with good waves. I also surf a 2017 Wakesetter 22 LSV and its no better than mine.

[Snowslydder]

500lbs of wake ballast is in so this weekend is going to be awesome. I do have one question before I go test all of this out. Do I need to do the calibration reset for the pitch and roll with the 2018 craz? I read the long post about auto wake and was wondering if that applied to these boats as well.

If I do I should probably not do it with all of the weight on the boat right?

[mattsask]

The craz wave has significantly more power, push, length and firmness when you get into the 4000+ range. The stock wave is mediocre, slam it and you'll change your opinion on the matter.
I'm going to weigh in since I have a 2018 Craz. First, I've learned to use Autowake and it works! Trust it, it gives the best results. I use 200# of lead, split evenly and stock ballast for a great wake. 10.4 MPH, and surf plate at 65 or 60. Usually just a driver an one passenger. I don't understand why others are adding so much extra weight. I'm 6'1', 188# and get plenty of push on port side surging.

The Craz is a great boat with good waves. I also surf a 2017 Wakesetter 22 LSV and its no better than mine.

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[parrothd]

The craz wave has significantly more power, push, length and firmness when you get into the 4000+ range. The stock wave is mediocre, slam it and you'll change your opinion on the matter.

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Yep.. More ballast..

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[korey]

Yes, you need to calibrate your pitch and roll. Everyone does. Go back to that Auto Wake questions thread and Matt explains it. I took a 4-foot level out with me, and laid it in the floor. I was able to get my body in a position to get pitch and roll level and still reach the button on the dash to set it.

[Snowslydder]

Okay I will calibrate it when ever it stops raining on the weekend. I have the classic boat a new boat and now the weekends are nothing but rain.

[kaneboats]

Yep.. More ballast..

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Hey, where is that pic from? Looks familiar.

[MammaVMoomba]

I need help lengthening my wake on this same boat. I have both of my 900lb back lockers filled with my bow and center ballasts filled with the remaining 1200lbs. My surf plate is at 65 and wake plate at 15 and I can surf good on it. I then added 400lbs on my surf side back locker and the wake is steep but the pocket is short. How do I lengthen it? I appreciate any advise I can get. I have another 400 lb bag that I could fill but I don’t know if I should with how short the pocket is now.

[mattsask]

Put the 400 in the bow, lift your wakeplate up and increase speed.
I need help lengthening my wake on this same boat. I have both of my 900lb back lockers filled with my bow and center ballasts filled with the remaining 1200lbs. My surf plate is at 65 and wake plate at 15 and I can surf good on it. I then added 400lbs on my surf side back locker and the wake is steep but the pocket is short. How do I lengthen it? I appreciate any advise I can get. I have another 400 lb bag that I could fill but I don’t know if I should with how short the pocket is now.

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[Snowslydder]

Ahhhh man the 4000+ of ballast is what it needed. I will upload the video tomorrow.

For the people with enzo bags I have 3 questions

1. Are they plug and play for the hoses on the moomba
2. How much room is left on the top of the lockers.
3. Does anyone with an 18 have them and does it smash the heater?

Thanks for all of the help. I did not get to ride do to a recent mcl injury but my wife did and she and went ropeless for the first time.

[parrothd]

Hey, where is that pic from? Looks familiar.

Des plains river Illinois..

[parrothd]

Ahhhh man the 4000+ of ballast is what it needed. I will upload the video tomorrow.

For the people with enzo bags I have 3 questions

1. Are they plug and play for the hoses on the moomba
2. How much room is left on the top of the lockers.
3. Does anyone with an 18 have them and does it smash the heater?

Thanks for all of the help. I did not get to ride do to a recent mcl injury but my wife did and she and went ropeless for the first time.

Yes they fit, plug and play, fold the bag under itself on the non-heater side to match the heater side. Order them from fatsac.com, $390, fill out the custom form and ask for enzo 1450s. If you have a heater you can shorten the bag for a perfect fit. They'll make the bag any size you want for cheaper than wakemakers.

[Snowslydder]

Yes they fit, plug and play, fold the bag under itself on the non-heater side to match the heater side. Order them from fatsac.com, $390, fill out the custom form and ask for enzo 1450s. If you have a heater you can shorten the bag for a perfect fit. They'll make the bag any size you want for cheaper than wakemakers.

Do the 1450s fit the craz? I thought they were 1140s but must have read that wrong

[RC_Hinojosa]

Do the 1450s fit the craz? I thought they were 1140s but must have read that wrongYes, 1450s fit the Craz. They are plug n play.

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[Snowslydder]

https://youtu.be/2-33HJ99y0w
Here is a rough video of what it took to get the boat surfing right. When we final got the wave to curl we got excited and the wife surfed it.

We did not get to tweak the pitch and roll settings but we will next time. We did realize that at stock settings. With 4300lbs of ballast, and 1 adult and 1 kid this is what worked.

I apologize for the sloppy edit. I will make a better one when it is close to perfect. Let me know what you think. I Will make a HQ one once it is all dialed in.

[korey]

Ahhhh man the 4000+ of ballast is what it needed. I will upload the video tomorrow.

For the people with enzo bags I have 3 questions

1. Are they plug and play for the hoses on the moomba
2. How much room is left on the top of the lockers.
3. Does anyone with an 18 have them and does it smash the heater?

Thanks for all of the help. I did not get to ride do to a recent mcl injury but my wife did and she and went ropeless for the first time.


Enzos do not come with fittings, so you order them separately. Some assembly required, LOL.
Bags, Qty 2: https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-enzo-surf-sac.html
Flow Rite Fitting - Qty 8 (4 per bag with G6 pumps, 2 per bag with base system): https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-pro-x-series-fitting-w743.html
Plugs - Qty 4 (2 per bag with G6, 4 per bag with base system) - https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-pro-x-series-fitting-w749.html

Don't quote me on Qtys for the base system (without G6) - I'm making an assumption there.

On my boat with G6 pumps, the vent hose has a T and hits 2 ports on the bag, and the lengths there aren't perfect with the enzos. My dealer had to replace a hose on my boat anyway and took care of that for me with some of the scrap. I suggest ordering a couple of feet of hose with the bags and lengthening one leg of the vent hose. 3' should do, 4 is super safe.

The bags come all the way up the the bottom of the fiberglass inside of the locker. it actually pinches the vent hose a little when completely full.

I folded the port side bag under itself aft of the heater box and it's fine. The bag will push that seat up a little on me if I let it get completely full, but we mostly surf goofey, so that side want's less weight anyway.

It's working VERY well for me!

[kaneboats]

Des plains river Illinois..

I grew up on the Kankakee River then used to ride a lot on the Des Plaines out near Ottawa when my cousin moved out there.

[parrothd]

I grew up on the Kankakee River then used to ride a lot on the Des Plaines out near Ottawa when my cousin moved out there.


Small world! The river is getting cleaner and cleaner every year, we like it since there's almost no boaters, lots of glass water. :)

[kaneboats]

Just gotta watch out for them barges. They throw a nice surf wake tho.

[Snowslydder]

for people with the craz it it better to have a clean vertical wave for push or a clean folded over wave for push?

I make what I feel like is a good wave then my wife drives it and I lose most of the ballast and wave. I want to know the right one to communicate to her.

Also if anyone has the wakemakers code I would appreciate it. I want to upgrade to ENZO's

[korey]

I'm at my desk instead of on the water on the 4th of July, so of course I'm killing some time online... I got a few PMs (that's finally replied to) asking about the hose extensions with the Enzos on a G6 boat. figured that info might help someone some day...

I've only got a picture of the hose before extending it. The hose that's shown looped around tightly can be extended and use the 3rd port on the bag that is shown in this picture with an air bleeder plug. Swap the plug fitting and the flow rite fitting and extend the hose for a cleaner install. That tight bend actually kinked on the other bag, and was so tight that it popped off once. The Fill/Drain ports are perfect, no problems there. You'll also see that my vent hose has some abrasion on it. The bag is so tall that it does pinch it a little against the bottom of the fiberglass and is rubbing the hose. No visible damage to the fiberglass or gelcoat, but the hose may need replacing someday.


https://i.imgur.com/UwbKomu.jpg

[mattsask]

Is that two vents on the bag? Is that really needed with the g6 system?
I'm at my desk instead of on the water on the 4th of July, so of course I'm killing some time online... I got a few PMs (that's finally replied to) asking about the hose extensions with the Enzos on a G6 boat. figured that info might help someone some day...

I've only got a picture of the hose before extending it. The hose that's shown looped around tightly can be extended and use the 3rd port on the bag that is shown in this picture with an air bleeder plug. Swap the plug fitting and the flow rite fitting and extend the hose for a cleaner install. That tight bend actually kinked on the other bag, and was so tight that it popped off once. The Fill/Drain ports are perfect, no problems there. You'll also see that my vent hose has some abrasion on it. The bag is so tall that it does pinch it a little against the bottom of the fiberglass and is rubbing the hose. No visible damage to the fiberglass or gelcoat, but the hose may need replacing someday.


https://i.imgur.com/UwbKomu.jpg

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[korey]

Yes all three bags have double vents, but as you can see, it T's right into one hose and from there it's the same as any other boat. Seems unneeded to me too, but it's what's in the boat!

[Snowslydder]

well I bought some enzo's and they are on the way. What are the default setting for the normal wave. My wave changed them when she was messing around with the system and now mine says pitch 9 roll 3

another question I have is what pitch and roll are you guys using for a nice long wave? ours is really tall but feels like there is no push in the back of the wave.

[Snowslydder]

What are the stock pitch and roll settings for the regular wave? Through tweaking the wave we changed them to pitch 9 roll 3 and I don't think that is right.

[stevemarich]

I thought you could reset to factory defaults, I believe they change to pitch 9 roll -3 for port surfing, (regular), I run 9 pitch and -4.5 roll, 8 Pitch and -4.5 or -4 seemed pretty decent to with added people,

[korey]

I'm pretty sure the factory settings are shown in "ghost" numbers on the setup screen so you can always have an easy route back.

[Snowslydder]

For some reason I thought it was less then that, turns out I was wrong. I installed the ENZO bags yesterday and recorded so future people upgrading their bags can used them. I am going to use them this weekend which should be awesome.

Do you guys fold the excess under the bags? Does it mess with the vent cap at all?

[korey]

I fold excess bag under on the Port side because of my heater. Stbd side fits fine, but sometimes I put a milk crate in there to store shoes - then i fold it too. No problems with the caps.

That reminds me - I found a loose screw holding the stationary portion of the divider panel (in front of the removal portion down near the floor) on the stbd side that was ready to put a hole in (factory or upgraded) ballast bag. It's good measure to do a good look around with the bags empty - I've heard tales of others finding things like this too.

[Snowslydder]

I will give it a good look through

[Snowslydder]

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So excited about this weekend. Going to double up and wakesurf Saturday and Sunday.

[Snowslydder]

Finally after multiple outings, settings, tips, tricks and trail and error we got a great wave out the Craz. We were able to go all the way to the end of the rope and still have push (205lb rider) to be able to get back in the front of the wave. My wife who is 115lbs can just stare at the wave and fly forward on it. The settings posted below are for a regular wave.

We upgraded to this boat from a Yamaha AR192 and thought hey we will just throw some switches to go surfing. To our surprise it did not work and we have a brand new '18 Craz with an unflattering wave. We were a little miffed since we both have been wakeboarding and snowboarding for 15+ years. We messed with it and eventually I joined this forum. What we learned is wake making is not automatic but an art form. My wife had no problem staying in the wave because she so is so small but was pearling a lot. I was 210 on a meh board and could not go ropeless for more the 10 seconds. I had issues where I would only have push right next to the swim step. I could put my foot on the gas peddle and would not move forward at all. So we read on here you have to slam it and we did which makes most of the difference. We tried to use the autowake stock settings but it did not work with the added weight. We found that with the bow at 10° vice 9° and the roll at 4° vice 3° gave the wave way more push. We ran a GoPro on every wave we made and noticed that when the curl in the back was thick the wave was had more push then if it was a thin curl. We tried the higher speeds (10.9-11.6) we saw recommended but it seemed to make the wave have less push in the back. Anything the below 10.5 the wave was Huge but super short so no room to move around. With the settings we have posted below we now have an awesome wave.

Another thing I want to point out is surfboard selection. We both had Ronix boards and thought we were just bad at surfing and where pearling ever 20 seconds. You have seen the Ronix promos, a board that does what ever you want... So we assumed it was us. We ran into other surfers on lake Whatcom and they pointed out we should get better boards. Long story short they struggled with these boards as well since they are poorly designed by wakeboard companies. They suggest we buy boards from wakesurf companies with a background in surfing. They recommended Doomswell/Soulcraft for surfboards and Phase 5 for skim. So I hunted around and was helped out by Doomswell and bought a 4'8 Neo and upgraded to large Chaos wakesurf fins. Boom there it was no more pearling and a great board to learn on.

All and all I want to thank everyone on this forum who helped me out through this post and PMs. I want to thank the Wakeboard forum as well. The people in this community are awesome. From the boat maker guy talking one on one with the people on this forum. To the wakesurf board manufactures and fin makers helping me find a board that would work for me. I have owned many snowboards and in my life and have never heard a word from Mervin. There is a ton of support and that helps makes this sport great. We have taught 2 people to surf so far and the smile on faces was worth all of the time it took to make this boat fun. Thanks once again.

Settings:
Ballast; Full
-With ENZOs, 500lbs of lead and a 350 pound bag on the surf side.
+100lbs of lead in the bow under the IBS
+250lbs at mid ship in the dry storage area by the battery switch
+150lbs back left corner under the sliding seat
+350lbs bag was on the surf in the back corner to simulate passengers since it was only the wife, 5 year old and I.
-Not needed if you have to adults that you can put in the surf side corner
Plates:
-Wakeplate 14
-Surf tab 55
Speed: 10.6-10.8
Pitch: 10°
Roll: -4°

P.S. I will post a video of the wave and my ENZO install video after I edit them later today.

[Snowslydder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJGH6RJonU