Loose Fillings

[RC_Hinojosa]

OK, lot of sub talk going back and forth last week and I wanna keep it rolling, albeit in a slightly different direction.

2017 bonuses have landed and the Mrs. is letting me keep half of it, LOL!

If you had a comfortable budget (Champagne, not Natty Light)...what would be your ideal Sub/Amp combo?

This would be for a custom ported enclosure, open to consideration of multiple or single subs.

Looking for something that will knock your fillings loose.

....and go!

[BrettLee3232]

Do 4 Kicker 10” L7’s & FTW!!!!! Power it with kickers KX2400.1 or get (2) KXM1200.1 if you want a marine amp.

My 4 KM10s pound my sack under the dash. I could only imagine what 4 L7s would do [emoji1591]


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Do 4 Kicker 10” L7’s & FTW!!!!! Power it with kickers KX2400.1 or get (2) KXM1200.1 if you want a marine amp.


OK so I admit I get a little lost on impendance when it's a dual voice coil.

the KX2400.1 is 1200 watts RMS x 1 at 4 ohms (2400 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms)....the L7's come in dual 4-ohm and dual 2-ohm.

Would (4) L7's in dual 4-ohm (wired in parallel?) present a 2-ohm load to the KX2400.1?

[rdlangston13]

I am super OCD about things matching so I would have to go with a WS SD2 and XXX12.

[RC_Hinojosa]

My 4 KM10s pound my sack under the dash. I could only imagine what 4 L7s would do [emoji1591]


I just saw this, LMFAO!

[KG's Supra24]

XXX, 2 XXX, W7, 2 W6, 2 L7s

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[KG's Supra24]

I am super OCD about things matching so I would have to go with a WS SD2 and XXX12.My bad. I didn't think about that when i got the little one razorback gear. I should have gotten you and Heidi razorback gear to match!

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[RC_Hinojosa]

I'm OCD too so I get it...but I've already mixmatched. Factory Kicker in-boats, Fusion HU, WS Rev10s, etc.

Hypothetically, if your Mojo wasn't already all WS, would you still go SD2 & XXX12? I think it'd be a solid combo and it's on my list of contenders, just curious to your thoughts.

[RC_Hinojosa]

XXX, 2 XXX, W7, 2 W6, 2 L7s

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Multiples is where I lose a little perspective, would 2 W6s or 2L7s outperform a W7?

[KnoxMojo]

If you want to pound and make it easy to install, The Exile Big 12 with their 20.1 or 15.1 amp. My buddy had one in a ported box on his 'Bu, probably the best I have ever heard on a wake boat. Nothing against WetSounds, but my buddy is running the new xxx12, I felt it left a lot to be desired. He is running the proper watts and had a custom built box made by a legit stereo shop. I personally run the Exile 12d off of the javelin amp in a 1.7' rhino lined ported box. I get "that" look from the wife all the time to turn the bass down. This spring, I'll be climbing under the dash to tighten everything up as it has created a few rattles.

[rdlangston13]

My bad. I didn't think about that when i got the little one razorback gear. I should have gotten you and Heidi razorback gear to match!

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Let's not get carried away. You'll be glad to know however that he still has it, which means I refrained from throwing it away because it was a thoughtful gesture, even if it is a razorback. If you would have given him a longhorn however it would not have made it home before being burned.

[rdlangston13]

I'm OCD too so I get it...but I've already mixmatched. Factory Kicker in-boats, Fusion HU, WS Rev10s, etc.

Hypothetically, if your Mojo wasn't already all WS, would you still go SD2 & XXX12? I think it'd be a solid combo and it's on my list of contenders, just curious to your thoughts.

I would go with whatever matched the rest of my boat lol.

And you don't have that much a mixture really. Factory kicker in boats are just waiting to be changed out to Revo6s and the HU doesn't count.

[KG's Supra24]

Multiples is where I lose a little perspective, would 2 W6s or 2L7s outperform a W7?

I'd get a listen to a properly done W7 or XXX before jumping off into dual subs.

Seems like 2 subs, under the dash, in a ported enclosure is biting off quite a bit ... if you are looking for proper execution.

[RC_Hinojosa]

If you want to pound and make it easy to install, The Exile Big 12 with their 20.1 or 15.1 amp.

BIG12 DVC - 12" 2000W
Add Dedicated Amplifier - Save 10%
Xi2500.1: 2500W RMS power (reg $1,100.00)

$1590 for Sub and amp...not too bad.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Seems like 2 subs, under the dash, in a ported enclosure is biting off quite a bit ... if you are looking for proper execution.

I'm absolutely looking for proper execution as I'm the kinda guy who's a Venn diagram between basshead & audiophile.

[KG's Supra24]

I'm absolutely looking for proper execution as I'm the kinda guy who's a Venn diagram between basshead & audiophile.

XXX is going to a SPL woofer. Engineered and designed to be a marine woofer.
Big12 is going to be a SPL woofer also. I think these are similar to DC woofers?

w7 is going to be less SPL and more accurate.

[KG's Supra24]

BIG12 DVC - 12" 2000W
Add Dedicated Amplifier - Save 10%
Xi2500.1: 2500W RMS power (reg $1,100.00)

$1590 for Sub and amp...not too bad.

No offense but you are talking about some pretty dated gear, right?

The Big12 and 15.1 are cheaper than that, before discount ....

[Broke Pilot]

I love my 2 10W6’s... it’s hard to beat. If I’d had room in the ‘06 I’d have done 12’s.
They’re more than enough in a ported box to rattle the boat and the water next to them. My wife of all people is a bass head, the more the better. She’s already asking about building a box for the SA. It’s seriously lacking in the lows... lol

[RC_Hinojosa]

No offense but you are talking about some pretty dated gear, right?

The Big12 and 15.1 are cheaper than that, before discount ....

That was off their website, I don't know any of their distributors around me.

[Shoebox]

$1590 for Sub and amp...not too bad.
[emoji50] Holy crap. I don't think I'll ever need enough bass to justify prices like that.

[RC_Hinojosa]

[emoji50] Holy crap. I don't think I'll ever need enough bass to justify prices like that.Like I said, ain't looking for Natty Light...[emoji6]

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[Broke Pilot]

Yea but with subs, if you’re going for just pure output, quantity makes a difference...
For $1500 you can get 2 12W6’s and a 1000watt amp that will push them hard.
Fitting them is another story, but anything can be done with enough $$! Lol

[Broke Pilot]

Yea but with subs, if you’re going for just pure output, quantity makes a difference...
For $1500 you can get 2 12W6’s and a 1000watt amp that will push them hard.
Fitting them is another story, but anything can be done with enough $$! Lol

[RC_Hinojosa]

Yea but with subs, if you’re going for just pure output, quantity makes a difference...
For $1500 you can get 2 12W6’s and a 1000watt amp that will push them hard.
Fitting them is another story, but anything can be done with enough $$! Lol

What amp were you using to push the W6s?

[MLA]

I would not worry about impedance and coil configuration this early in the game. Only matters when its time to pair the woofer(s) to an amp. Surface area rules, and that includes a ported enclosure. You really need to see what the boat is going to let you do, enclosure size wise. 2 woofers is great, unless you have to shrink the enclosure down from ideal volume, to make it fit.

If you are looking for a symmetrical look, the Kicker L series offers a marine grill in white or charcoal that matches the Kicker marine in-boats. Even comes with RGB LEDs like the upper level KM654L series. A single 12" in a ported enclosure drive with the KXMA1200.1 is a pretty serious setup. Two L10 or L12 on the KXA2400 would loosen some fillings.

In the Wet sounds stable, the XXX on the Syn-DX2.3HP is SOLID! Two on a Kicker KXA2400.1 would be earth shaking.

JL 12 or 13 W7 on the HD1200/1 is fantastic in a ported enclosure.

So, lots of solid woofers out there/ Some, like the Wet Sounds, are built from the ground up as a true marine woofer. Rubber spider, enclosure motor/magnet, composite cone, Steer clear of those using terms like "hybrid" laminated, as they tend to be paper based cones and not as well suited for the marine environment. Same with those advertising their dist cap material. The dust cap is not the cone. Others, Like the Kicker L series, may not be built as a true marine woofer, but carry some quality build properties that make them well suited for marine use.

[RC_Hinojosa]

A single 12" in a ported enclosure drive with the KXMA1200.1 is a pretty serious setup. Two L10 or L12 on the KXA2400 would loosen some fillings.

In the Wet sounds stable, the XXX on the Syn-DX2.3HP is SOLID! Two on a Kicker KXA2400.1 would be earth shaking.

JL 12 or 13 W7 on the HD1200/1 is fantastic in a ported enclosure.


I like the sound of earth shaking :cool:

[KnoxMojo]

Me either, That's why I went with the Exile javelin amp powering new cabins and the xi12d running off the 5th channel. It's more than enough. But sounds like he wants to shake the bottom of the lake, lol

[Broke Pilot]

What amp were you using to push the W6s?

Initially they each were on a separate Kicker 600.1 at 2ohms each. but as the system grew I needed to consolidate and I had an old PPI 1000.1 from my wife’s megacab project that went sideways. It was loud, it overpowered the Rev410 on the tower, that’s when we went to 2 410’s.
And that was in a store bought prefab ported box cus I’m lazy... lol

The beauty of the W6 is they don’t need a lot of room even ported. .75 cubes each and they’re happy. They’re ideal for boats. That’s my .02

[RC_Hinojosa]

It's more than enough. But sounds like he wants to shake the bottom of the lake, lol

LOL! Yessir! I have a 2 month old at home so the only places I can jam are in my truck during my commute and out on the boat. That is how I get to my moment of Zen :cool:

[Broke Pilot]

LOL! Yessir! I have a 2 month old at home so the only places I can jam are in my truck during my commute and out on the boat. That is how I get to my moment of Zen :cool:

Love it... lol
My wife s the same way. We call her L-Dawg. Lmao she listens to some ridiculous stuff. Her new 4Runner is loaded out. Focal components and 2 JL TW5’s in a custom box. I can hear her coming through the neighborhood before she gets to our culdesac when she’s goofing off with it.
I’ve got those W6’s in the shop with the amp if you wanna bring that boat up and load them in for a day just to see what direction you wanna go.

[RC_Hinojosa]

I’ve got those W6’s in the shop with the amp if you wanna bring that boat up and load them in for a day just to see what direction you wanna go.

Might just take you up on it, Rinker's should be finished with my trailer this week.

[trayson]

best setup I've heard was a pair of 12" Kicker solobaric L7's powered by a Rockford Fosgate T40001 amp. It would literally throw ripples from the hull into the water when it hit. It was ridiculous. (in a good way)

https://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/t40001bd/


Get ready to wake the neighbors with Rockford Fosgate's flagship Power amplifier - the T40001bd. This magnificent amplifier is rated at a whopping 4000 watts RMS and will capably drive multiple subwoofers. Just make sure your subwoofers can take it! A high-output alternator and large capacitor are recommended.

[rdlangston13]

LOL! Yessir! I have a 2 month old at home so the only places I can jam are in my truck during my commute and out on the boat. That is how I get to my moment of Zen :cool:

How do you get to jam out on the boat with a 2 month old? My son is two years and my wife still won't let me crank it lol.

[RC_Hinojosa]

How do you get to jam out on the boat with a 2 month old? My son is two years and my wife still won't let me crank it lol.

Easy, drop the kid with grandma!! (Scarlett's abuela loves to watch her)

Here is the other option, we'll order a pair when we're ready to take her out on the water...

https://www.buybuybaby.com/store/s/ear-protection?pstate=pg_ren:34||pg_pos:4||&ta=typeahead&ml=v2

[KnoxMojo]

I have a 2 month old at home

We have a 3 month old, a good set of ear muffs is a must with loud music and fireworks on the water.

[BrettLee3232]

Easy, drop the kid with grandma!!

My daughter would be pissed if we left her at Grama’s while we were on the boat haha. She’s been coming since 2 months and my son since 1 month [emoji1591]

I crank the stereo when we’re parked and their in the water. Or I just turn down the cabin speakers and just let the tower and subs play wild and free [emoji1383]*♀️



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[RC_Hinojosa]

My daughter would be pissed if we left her at Grama’s while we were on the boat haha. She’s been coming since 2 months and my son since 1 month [emoji1591]


I kid (mostly), I'm excited to take her out and kinda nervous too. I've already got her a Hyperlite infant jacket, some shades and infant sunscreen. Any pointers for having little ones on board and keeping them from having a meltdown?

[BrettLee3232]

I kid (mostly), I'm excited to take her out and kinda nervous too. I've already got her a Hyperlite infant jacket, some shades and infant sunscreen. Any pointers for having little ones on board and keeping them from having a meltdown?

Get one of the floaty rafts with the bimini. My kids both love being in the water. Usually they are good until it’s titty time.

Not sure where you live but it’s over 100 every trip for us so just have to constantly get them wet. I also thought about getting one of those swings to hang from the tower [emoji1303]


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[Pound]

Pro tip

Get these for stress free outings w/the kidos. One for each kid.

26780

[RC_Hinojosa]

pro tip

get these for stress free outings w/the kidos. One for each kid.

26780

lmfao!! ��

[rdlangston13]

get one of those swings for the back yard and hang it from the tower and let her swing about while ya'll drive. Nolans been going on boats since he was 1 week.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Two L10 or L12 on the KXA2400 would loosen some fillings.

MLA, what kind of battery upgrade would be necessary to run the KXA2400?

From Crutchfield "Note: This amplifier's power consumption is beyond the capacity of most automotive electrical systems. To power this amp, your vehicle may require an electrical upgrade that could include a high-output alternator, a second battery, or both."

What would you recommend?

Also, the L7's you are referring to are Q-class correct?

[MLA]

MLA, what kind of battery upgrade would be necessary to run the KXA2400?

From Crutchfield "Note: This amplifier's power consumption is beyond the capacity of most automotive electrical systems. To power this amp, your vehicle may require an electrical upgrade that could include a high-output alternator, a second battery, or both."

What would you recommend?

Also, the L7's you are referring to are Q-class correct?

I would first look at if we are going to drive it at 4 ohm or 2 ohm. Will we mostly be playing at anchor or while riding.

Mainly referring to the classic solo-baric L7 as I know 100% that the matching marine LED grills fit them.

[RC_Hinojosa]

I would first look at if we are going to drive it at 4 ohm or 2 ohm. Will we mostly be playing at anchor or while riding.

Mainly referring to the classic solo-baric L7 as I know 100% that the matching marine LED grills fit them.

I would say mostly playing while riding. Not too concerned about LED grills. I guess there are 3 "levels" of L7...classic, L7R and Q-class with Q-class having the highest power handling.

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[rdlangston13]

I kid (mostly), I'm excited to take her out and kinda nervous too. I've already got her a Hyperlite infant jacket, some shades and infant sunscreen. Any pointers for having little ones on board and keeping them from having a meltdown?

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[RC_Hinojosa]

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYessir, picked up one of those to hang from the tower [emoji16]

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[Broke Pilot]

The problem with the L7 (not that there are many) is the power they need and the space they want. Just a 10” L7 wants 2.25cuft ported! That’s a large box and you’ll likely only get 1 to fit unless you do like me and add more in the dog house. Lol
There’s more practical options that will exceed the capability of a single L7 to get you where you wanna be. Especially if you’re on a limited budget.

RC come up whenever, I’m off til the 1st. I’ll hook those W6’s up in my wife’s 4 Runner, or if you’ve got a good 0gauge connection in the boat I’ll load them in there for a bit if you want. I’m bored... hell, if you like em I may just sell em. Lol

[RC_Hinojosa]

There’s more practical options that will exceed the capability of a single L7 to get you where you wanna be. Especially if you’re on a limited budget.


Not really looking at a single L7 even though the 12" handles 900 watts. The budget is not too limited but trying to staying under a $3K.
#firstworldproblems

I've gotten quotes from a few shops and except for one, it's around $500 for a rhino-lined custom enclosure, so the real variables are the components themselves. I'm pretty sure if I went L7 it'd be two but I think I'm leaning towards a WS-XXX or a JL-W7, like you mentioned, the L7s are air hogs. I worry there wouldn't be enough space under the helm to give them the air they need.

As for the WS-XXX or JL-W7, I need to pick out an amp that gives them plenty of headroom without hopefully having to beef up my electrical system.

Headed to the rodeo this weekend but maybe I can make a trip to your shop before you go back to work...

[rdlangston13]

Not really looking at a single L7 even though the 12" handles 900 watts. The budget is not too limited but trying to staying under a $3K.
#firstworldproblems

I've gotten quotes from a few shops and except for one, it's around $500 for a rhino-lined custom enclosure, so the real variables are the components themselves. I'm pretty sure if I went L7 it'd be two but I think I'm leaning towards a WS-XXX or a JL-W7, like you mentioned, the L7s are air hogs. I worry there wouldn't be enough space under the helm to give them the air they need.

As for the WS-XXX or JL-W7, I need to pick out an amp that gives them plenty of headroom without hopefully having to beef up my electrical system.

Headed to the rodeo this weekend but maybe I can make a trip to your shop before you go back to work...

WS XXX12 on a WS SD2. The. When you want new cabins you can throw in a SD6 and 6 WS Revo 6s and have everything matching


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[MLA]

The problem with the L7 (not that there are many) is the power they need

How are the power "needs" of the L7 different from any other woofer with similar size cone, VC and in the same power class?


pretty sure if I went L7 it'd be two but I think I'm leaning towards a WS-XXX or a JL-W7,

This reads as if you are considering two 12's from one line or a single from another?

Anyway, I would not worry about amps, until you choose a woofer(s) and you cant really make a woofer(s) choice, until you get in there and take some measurements to see what the boat is going to allow gross volume wise.

Oh, and worth saying again, for a wet sounds XXX-12, the Syn-DX2.3HP is the better amp choice out of the wet sounds stable.

[RC_Hinojosa]

How are the power "needs" of the L7 different from any other woofer with similar size cone, VC and in the same power class?



This reads as if you are considering two 12's from one line or a single from another?


Oh, and worth saying again, for a wet sounds XXX-12, the Syn-DX2.3HP is the better amp choice out of the wet sounds stable.

Sorry for not being clear, yes, either a single XXX-12 or W7.

What is the difference between the SD2 and the Syn-DX2.3HP? (Not complaining 2.3 is $300 cheaper)

Also, would the KXA2400/1 require additional batteries or a new HO alternator??

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[MLA]

The Syn-DX2.3HP has more tuning flex ability, making it better for a woofer/ported enclosure setup.

If you were going to run the 2400.1 @ 2 ohm and tuned to its potential, then yes, an upgraded charging system and larger battery bank would be needed.

[rdlangston13]

How are the power "needs" of the L7 different from any other woofer with similar size cone, VC and in the same power class?



This reads as if you are considering two 12's from one line or a single from another?

Anyway, I would not worry about amps, until you choose a woofer(s) and you cant really make a woofer(s) choice, until you get in there and take some measurements to see what the boat is going to allow gross volume wise.

Oh, and worth saying again, for a wet sounds XXX-12, the Syn-DX2.3HP is the better amp choice out of the wet sounds stable.

Does the Syn-DX2.3HP have the same footprint and look as the sinister series amps?


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[MLA]

Although the new Syn-DX series share some of the Sinister SD line's tech, they have their own chassis design. The 2 chnl Syn-DX2.3HP is in the same chassis as the 6 chnl Syn-DX6 @ 14.57" x 8.27". For comparison, the Syn-DX2 is 12.21" x 8.27". The DX2.3HP is not just a hopped up DX2, but a completely different amp that larger with much more output then the DX2. The Syn series are a medium gray where as the SD are nearly black. Their chassis is quite different.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Thanks to everyone for their input!!

I drop off the Craz next week so a local shop can start on the box for my WS REVO12-XXX.

Good thing I ordered some sheets of sound deadener for the helm :o

I can't sneak nothing past my CFO, yesterday Mrs was like "What's this random charge?"....
Me:"Oh no biggie...wanna pick out a nice dress?" LOL
Mrs:"Don't try to change the subject!...but yes, I'd like to go shopping." #win

[BrettLee3232]

Thanks to everyone for their input!!

I drop off the Craz next week so a local shop can start on the box for my WS REVO12-XXX.

Good thing I ordered some sheets of sound deadener for the helm :o

I can't sneak nothing past my CFO, yesterday Mrs was like "What's this random charge?"....
Me:"Oh no biggie...wanna pick out a nice dress?" LOL
Mrs:"Don't try to change the subject!...but yes, I'd like to go shopping." #win

Haha my wife thinks our stereo was 1k total [emoji23] she knows it’s really not so doesn’t really ask anymore lol. She’s just mad I bought that instead of a bigger bimini 🤷🏼*♂️


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[rdlangston13]

Thanks to everyone for their input!!

I drop off the Craz next week so a local shop can start on the box for my WS REVO12-XXX.

Good thing I ordered some sheets of sound deadener for the helm :o

I can't sneak nothing past my CFO, yesterday Mrs was like "What's this random charge?"....
Me:"Oh no biggie...wanna pick out a nice dress?" LOL
Mrs:"Don't try to change the subject!...but yes, I'd like to go shopping." #win

Which shop are you using?


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Which shop are you using?


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[Pound]

You should do a wrap on that new truck to match the boat! THAT would be ballin' (do ppl still say that?)

[RC_Hinojosa]

You should do a wrap on that new truck to match the boat! THAT would be ballin' (do ppl still say that?)Robert, if you have to ask...[emoji57] Lol, jk

A wrap would be pretty sick but I kinda dig the stealthy look to the truck, black on shadow grey...I think it makes the boat pop that much harder.

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