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Jsuttxlv
04-29-2019, 08:56 AM
Sweet boat, congrats! Love the color combo. You're going to love the Max, picked mine up about a month ago and couldn't be happier.

haknslash
04-29-2019, 06:21 PM
Just got back from the factory tour and man this was such a good trip and worth the drive! Thanks again Drew Tinker for the great and knowledgable tour of the facility. My father and I came away totally impressed with how you guys run everything. Please be sure to give the guy who gave us a Roll Tide a raise :D! My boat looks absolutely sick and can't wait to get it. I hope Cindy will send a few more pics to Greg once they do the final detail. I think they have 2-3 days left on my boat and then she'll be ready for transport to Alabama.

For anyone who hasn't gone I can truly saw there is no difference in how a Supra and Moomba are made except when it gets to the final stages of components. The construction for the Moomba is not cheapened at all and was very impressive the care and dedication that goes into each boat at each stage and how everything must be signed off and double/triple checked. You guys rock at Skiers Choice and we are so happy we made the journey and feel we made an excellent choice in boat.

I may be a little biased lol...but my boat was the sexiest of the bunch there! :D :D

Big thanks to Skiers Marine as well for hanging in there with me and being the great dealership you guys are. Feeling like family already and haven't even taken delivery of our boat!

flienlow
05-03-2019, 09:46 AM
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So we closed the deal on the max last night. No glory pictures. It was just a hit it and quit it evening with signing, hitching, and hauling. The Max is Sofa King big, it wont fit in my barn, and I am really concerned with it and my 6X# boat lift once I bring it out to the lake. :) It is just so much bigger than my LSV was. I have my 910 sacs retrofitting midships. I have not seen them in action, however, the dealer told me they are too big, but he is making them work by adjusting the fill times. This is something I will need to study up on. It also appears I should have been born and orangutan just to get in and out of the thing. Having said that, I now see that I have missed something as my trailer does not have the extra step at the rear.

So now I am left with a few questions.
1. Does the manual cover the flow system operation well, or is there a better video on the subject?
2. Does anyone have a boat lift for their max? and what size is it?
3. I dont trailer a lot but can those rear trailer steps be added?

Thx.

haknslash
05-03-2019, 04:31 PM
Yup she’s massive :D!!!! I made sure to option my build to include the trailer transom steps. It is really difficult to get in this boat without them. Congrats on your new Max and she looks great!!! I haven’t heard any updates on mine or if it has left for the dealer. Hopefully not too much longer.

flienlow
05-03-2019, 04:37 PM
Yup she’s massive :D!!!! I made sure to option my build to include the trailer transom steps. It is really difficult to get in this boat without them. Congrats on your new Max and she looks great!!! I haven’t heard any updates on mine or if it has left for the dealer. Hopefully not too much longer.

Somehow I thought "The new Trailers came that way." I guess I can just use a ladder. In fact I might have to anyway.

BrettLee3232
05-03-2019, 04:47 PM
Somehow I thought "The new Trailers came that way." I guess I can just use a ladder. In fact I might have to anyway.

Call boatmate and give them your trailer vin. If your lucky you can get the bow ladder & bolt
It on. Prob cheaper than welding on transom steps. Congrats!


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johnh577777
05-03-2019, 05:08 PM
So we closed the deal on the max last night. No glory pictures. It was just a hit it and quit it evening with signing, hitching, and hauling. The Max is Sofa King big, it wont fit in my barn, and I am really concerned with it and my 6X# boat lift once I bring it out to the lake. :) It is just so much bigger than my LSV was. I have my 910 sacs retrofitting midships. I have not seen them in action, however, the dealer told me they are too big, but he is making them work by adjusting the fill times. This is something I will need to study up on. It also appears I should have been born and orangutan just to get in and out of the thing. Having said that, I now see that I have missed something as my trailer does not have the extra step at the rear.

So now I am left with a few questions.
1. Does the manual cover the flow system operation well, or is there a better video on the subject?
2. Does anyone have a boat lift for their max? and what size is it?
3. I dont trailer a lot but can those rear trailer steps be added?

Thx.

I have a hydraulic RGC 7k lift on order; it is rated at 7.5K with the it being at its shortest setting. It was very expensive; but it’s cheaper than having to buy an upgraded lift later if I buy a bigger boat. Also there is no used market at all here so I could sell it less than a day if I need to.

haknslash
05-04-2019, 02:30 PM
Woohoo she has arrived safe and sound!!!!!!! Unwrap and dealer prep is next week and can’t wait!!

http://i.imgur.com/Ib04Bs1.jpg

The wheel swap I did with Boatmate should match my truck’s aftermarket wheels better than the stock 5 stars would have.

http://i.imgur.com/8YVwwHm.jpg

z28ke
05-04-2019, 07:46 PM
It’s like that awesome Christmas present as a kid where you know what’s in the box, but can’t open it yet. Torture!!!!

It’s going to look great, didn’t you go with white rubrail?

haknslash
05-04-2019, 07:53 PM
It’s like that awesome Christmas present as a kid where you know what’s in the box, but can’t open it yet. Torture!!!!

It’s going to look great, didn’t you go with white rubrail?

:D so true!! Yea I went with the white rub rail and it came out great from the factory pics I got. Really helped break up the colors and lines of the boat with the ultra blue and white accent on top. A little different from most Max's I've seen. Can't wait to see it unwrapped and ready to go!

z28ke
05-04-2019, 09:10 PM
Yea I think the white rubrail was a crucial decision and will really bring it all together, looking forward to the pics!!!

haknslash
05-04-2019, 09:42 PM
Crazy that the Max looks a little bigger than the MasterCraft X24 from this angle :o. Such a deep boat! The poor Malibu VLX looks like he is about to get squished by two monsters :D

https://i.imgur.com/VDnNbFV.jpg

z28ke
05-05-2019, 11:29 AM
Those wheels look good too, would be a perfect compliment to the wheels on my wife’s Suburban RST

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/cb65b6b3e4732b58fc34cfd27e9bef5b.jpg

haknslash
05-05-2019, 11:48 AM
Those wheels look good too, would be a perfect compliment to the wheels on my wife’s Suburban RST

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/cb65b6b3e4732b58fc34cfd27e9bef5b.jpg

wow those really would be perfect match for your wife's Suburban!


Mine aren't a exact match to the aftermarket wheels on my F150 but I thought they would at least blend a little better than the factory 5-star wheels they all come with. Close enough for me for a trailer lol.

https://i.imgur.com/nAIJHfw.jpg

What I did find interesting is there is a typo on Moomba's website regarding the Max and factory wheel size (link (https://crm.skierschoice.com/files/documents/2018/10/17/MY19_Max_Specs.pdf)). Moomba says they come with 15" but every Boatmate trailer for a Max I've seen comes with 14" wheels. Also interesting is the cargo capacity of the wheels vs the trailer. I guess they design it in such a way that the wheels are the weak link before welds of the trailer? 6,100 lbs doesn't seem like a lot of headroom when you factor in the weight of fuel or general cargo and 100-200 lbs of lead ballast.

https://i.imgur.com/8gnHUeq.jpg

haknslash
05-11-2019, 11:16 AM
Something interesting I realized with my 2019 Max. Apparently Skiers Choice made a change to the upper glove box access door. In 2018 this door had a plastic cupped pull handle and I’ve even seen this in earlier 2019 Max builds. Somewhere along the way in 2019 builds they decided to give new Max owners an actual metal D-ring style latch. Not sure exactly when they decided to switch these in 2019 but I like it!

Nicer looking upgrade IMO. Including some pictures of a 2018 style for reference and some pics of my 2019 latch.

2018 and early 2019 version....

http://i.imgur.com/XzRg6jI.jpg

Later 2019 version...

http://i.imgur.com/j2AuB0E.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5Ic3Su2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vFWHdX4.jpg

csm
05-11-2019, 11:23 AM
Mine was built in November and has the D-ring.


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haknslash
05-11-2019, 01:09 PM
Mine was built in November and has the D-ring.


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Interesting! I need to find out when the two at my dealer were built because they have the 2018 style. Also noticed in the AWS 2019 Moomba Max video theirs is the older style too. Interesting indeed!

TXSurf4
05-11-2019, 01:10 PM
Out of curiosity does that actually latch to anything in the glove box?


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haknslash
05-11-2019, 01:57 PM
Out of curiosity does that actually latch to anything in the glove box?


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I don’t think it does other than look nicer than plastic. A guy on the Moomba Supra Facebook group said he drilled a hole so the latch would actually sort of lock in place on his 2019 Max. I was thinking of trying a magnet rather than drill. I asked if he would post some pics so we’ll see I guess. I wished there was a lock for it and the side access door.

TXSurf4
05-11-2019, 02:22 PM
Ya I noticed it on my Makai when I first got it and the dealer contacted Moomba and was told that is how it is [emoji2369]. Doesn’t bother me I just thought it got missed.


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haknslash
05-11-2019, 02:51 PM
Here's some raw footage from testing the surf system and ballast connections on the maiden voyage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwLFjtidYnM

Surgical_ass
05-11-2019, 03:28 PM
I really appreciate the videos your posting they have been super informative. We are going back and forth between the Max and Craz for our first boat for the family. My wife prefers the Craz over the Max but i feel the Max has more potential for a better/easier surf setup. I also feel the Max even slammed with ballast will still have plenty of storage as where the Craz will pretty much have all storage taken when slammed. What ballast upgrades do you plan to do?

RC_Hinojosa
05-11-2019, 03:52 PM
People that gripe about lack of storage in a slammed Craz pack too much shit.

I have Enzos & 500 lbs of lead in my Craz. The only storage I have is my observation compartment and over the engine tray but it's plenty for our gear and jackets.

RTIC 40 soft cooler tucked in the walkway and you're golden.

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haknslash
05-11-2019, 08:25 PM
I really appreciate the videos your posting they have been super informative. We are going back and forth between the Max and Craz for our first boat for the family. My wife prefers the Craz over the Max but i feel the Max has more potential for a better/easier surf setup. I also feel the Max even slammed with ballast will still have plenty of storage as where the Craz will pretty much have all storage taken when slammed. What ballast upgrades do you plan to do?

Glad you’re enjoying the videos! When we shopped it all came down to deep storage, tall freeboard and great surf potential (we don't wakeboard). I wanted a boat we could slam with ballast and not have to worry with bigger waters, storage space for not just our stuff but for other people’s crap too, so the Max fit the bill for us. I'm not sure what route I will go with ballast. We don't normally have a massive crew going out with us so I'll probably opt for additional midship ballast. I know WM was reworking their bag buster kit for the Max so I may go that route eventually plus a few hundred lbs of lead ballast. I have a 750 lb bag I'll use with a tsunami pump on lighter crew days to hold me over until then.

Matt0520
05-11-2019, 08:54 PM
People that gripe about lack of storage in a slammed Craz pack too much shit.

I have Enzos & 500 lbs of lead in my Craz. The only storage I have is my observation compartment and over the engine tray but it's plenty for our gear and jackets.

RTIC 40 soft cooler tucked in the walkway and you're golden.

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TONS of storage in the Craz but still big enough to stow a ton of crap before and during wakeboarding/surfing. We have the OB, and both sides forward of the lockers while we’re on the water. Plan on keeping it that way with just an extra 5-700# of lead.

And for traveling it’s great, rear lockers are HUGE with bags drained, we fit 2 144 wakeboards and 2-3 wakesurfers just in the rear lockers. Life jackets for 8-12, ropes, fenders, etc all stow away no prob.


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haknslash
05-11-2019, 09:03 PM
At the end of the day both are great boats and you'd be happy with either I'm sure. :)

Matt0520
05-11-2019, 09:13 PM
At the end of the day both are great boats and you'd be happy with either I'm sure. :)

No doubt. And for surfing Max definitely has the upper hand!


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RC_Hinojosa
05-11-2019, 09:31 PM
No doubt. And for surfing Max definitely has the upper hand!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey are both great boats for sure, but yeah the Max is larger and displaces more. Can't deny physics.

IMO the Craz and Max follow different ethos however.

The Helix & Max are somewhat utilitarian, function over form.

The Mondo, Craz & Mojo may not have the freeboard or storage but you can't deny they aren't sexy AF.



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FamilyMan
05-11-2019, 09:39 PM
People that gripe about lack of storage in a slammed Craz pack too much shit.

I have Enzos & 500 lbs of lead in my Craz. The only storage I have is my observation compartment and over the engine tray but it's plenty for our gear and jackets.

RTIC 40 soft cooler tucked in the walkway and you're golden.

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Probably right. Counted my life jackets and towels I had in the stern side-compartments of my max....17 real life jackets and 12 towels. Probably don't need that much :). All in all, I keep a four person tube, slalom ski, tandem skis, remote control boats for the youngens, two anchors (no explanation...ok, maybe one...extra ballast?), 100 ft of extra rope on a spool, 3 buoys, tool set, three blowers for inflatables, and a kids CWB surf board.

So yeah, I rarely use most of that crap other than the tube and kids surfboard and am otherwise just packing too much crap.

I have always bought one size car too big, 1 kid and sold the wife's corolla for an escape, two kids and picked up an acadia, three kids and ditched the acadia for an escalade so I have always brought along too much crap, not the best habit. Just like closets in a house, too much space and you will somehow fill it with crap you don't need.

Notice my signature...I legit don't know where all my lead is, also a problem of the max and its bazillion compartments!

FamilyMan
05-11-2019, 09:50 PM
Here's some raw footage from testing the surf system and ballast connections on the maiden voyage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwLFjtidYnM

Didn't realize the toggle switches are much nicer (not black painted metal...maybe plastic?) like my 2018 in addition to that metal ring glove box opener. Very nice! Gives the dash a lot more pop on the 2019s!

I surf at 11.4....are people really surfing low 10s upper 9s in their max?

Surgical_ass
05-11-2019, 10:13 PM
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The Mondo, Craz & Mojo may not have the freeboard or storage but you can't deny they aren't sexy AF.



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This is definatley a big draw for us!

haknslash
05-11-2019, 11:43 PM
Didn't realize the toggle switches are much nicer (not black painted metal...maybe plastic?) like my 2018 in addition to that metal ring glove box opener. Very nice! Gives the dash a lot more pop on the 2019s!

I surf at 11.4....are people really surfing low 10s upper 9s in their max?

We were just mainly seeing what it looked at those speeds while making sure everything was functioning as it should. I'll for sure be messing around in all sorts of speeds once the break-in is over. Just wanted to make sure things were functioning and I'll do all the real testing later on. I haven't even calibrated my paddle wheel against a GPS app so who knows what that speed really was lol. Most of the video was taken running down the river current with a stiff wind pushing at our backs so that might have had some influence.

Yup the switches are now metal (I think :D.... or look real close to it). It does help make it feel and look a bit nicer inside giving it a little pop like you said. Nothing wrong with the 18's either though!

haknslash
05-12-2019, 08:57 PM
Got a chance to swing by my parents house and check out the boat. Had some water in there from heavy rains. Maybe I didn’t have the anti pooling pole high enough?

Anyways while there I looked close at the switches and they’re still plastic as you can see the parting line from the plastic mold if you look at them very closely. Overall they look nice even if plastic.

http://i.imgur.com/K7cZ9GF.jpg

Matt0520
05-12-2019, 08:59 PM
Pull the hangtyte way tighter and make pole taller. Height should look like this
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190513/dc3c304f34c39735bf58dbb6d9de2060.jpg

I believe the switches are metal, and from 2018 Supras.


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haknslash
05-12-2019, 09:30 PM
Pull the hangtyte way tighter and make pole taller. Height should look like this

I believe the switches are metal, and from 2018 Supras.


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Yea that's what I ended up doing and mine looks like yours now. Hopefully that keeps the water out until I at least get a metal carport. Really don't want it to start smelling nasty right from the start. I left the cover off for a while today and went inside every compartment to remove any water. Most of it was in the bow. When I took delivery we got caught in a heavy rainstorm and I didn't set the hang tyte high enough nor adjust the pole. I was in a rush to beat the rain. Then drove it to my parents to drop it off and it's been there since. Swung by today to check on it and I'm glad I did because under the port side bow cushion it had about 1/2" of water in it. Does your boat have two poles? It kind of looks like it. Mine has one that snaps into the cover in the front and then the hang tyte for the rear.

How it looks now...

http://i.imgur.com/4VOvJ2p.jpg

Still haven't had enough sun to really appreciate the ultra blue flake but man does it look sweet once the sun starts to hit it!!!

http://i.imgur.com/ZuYfhFe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WUPUmQ4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sSy7a7P.jpg

haknslash
05-13-2019, 02:06 PM
Hey guys quick question. I ordered my Max with dual batteries and I’ve never had a boat with more than a single battery. Do I run the boat using #1 battery and then switch to #2 if I’m going to be sitting in a cove playing music or do you guys generally keep it on either #1 or #2 all day and switch over to the other battery if you notice a weak start of the engine?

When not in use I plan to just leave the onboard charger plugged in. I had the same brand of charger on my last boat but of course it was just a single bank charger. Anytime I wasn’t using the boat I would plug into the charger and that seemed to work for me for the 2 1/2 years we owned it. I assume I do the same with this dual bank onboard charger since it will just run in a maintenance mode once it sense the batteries are charged?

Matt0520
05-13-2019, 02:09 PM
I use one battery all day and keep the other full and ready to be a starting battery if need-be. Haven’t had to yet though.

A note on the 2019s, some people (myself included) get a ballast sensor fault on the bow bag when filling. I guess it’s a sensor voltage issue, so when filling run above 1100rpm or use 1&2 if you get that error msg.




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Shoebox
05-13-2019, 02:46 PM
Hey guys quick question. I ordered my Max with dual batteries and I’ve never had a boat with more than a single battery. Do I run the boat using #1 battery and then switch to #2 if I’m going to be sitting in a cove playing music or do you guys generally keep it on either #1 or #2 all day and switch over to the other battery if you notice a weak start of the engine?

When not in use I plan to just leave the onboard charger plugged in. I had the same brand of charger on my last boat but of course it was just a single bank charger. Anytime I wasn’t using the boat I would plug into the charger and that seemed to work for me for the 2 1/2 years we owned it. I assume I do the same with this dual bank onboard charger since it will just run in a maintenance mode once it sense the batteries are charged?I run mine on "ALL" all the time. Though I don't sit around all day with the stereo full blast, either.

z28ke
05-13-2019, 03:00 PM
I alternate between #1 and #2 (never both) depending on if the days date is an even or odd number lol. I used to try and remember which battery I ran last time out but quickly gave up on that, I figure this way it kinda evens out. I only plug in the charger in the off season.

jason1973
05-13-2019, 03:14 PM
are both batteries charging during operation if the switch is only on 1 or 2?

z28ke
05-13-2019, 03:32 PM
are both batteries charging during operation if the switch is only on 1 or 2?

No, only the battery selected will be charged (or drained).

Matt0520
05-13-2019, 03:40 PM
On this note, can we plug it in to charge while using it? Meaning, if it’s sitting in my driveway and I’m doing something in the boat/listening to music, could be charging at the same time?


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larry_arizona
05-13-2019, 03:51 PM
On this note, can we plug it in to charge while using it? Meaning, if it’s sitting in my driveway and I’m doing something in the boat/listening to music, could be charging at the same time?


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RC_Hinojosa
05-13-2019, 04:20 PM
No, only the battery selected will be charged (or drained).If you are talking about the on-board charger this is incorrect.

You could have the perko switch set to neither and the on-board charger will still maintain both batteries.

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Stazi
05-13-2019, 07:55 PM
That’s why the battery doctor is superior to a perko switch;
It allows the main battery to be charged first and then charges the secondary battery but if you drain the primary you press a button and it allows it to be “boosted” by the secondary battery. I have all my stereo on the secondary battery and the rest of the boat runs off the primary. With this setup both batteries get charged but you can never drain both batteries.
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z28ke
05-13-2019, 09:10 PM
If you are talking about the on-board charger this is incorrect.

You could have the perko switch set to neither and the on-board charger will still maintain both batteries.

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You are correct, I thought he was referring to alternator charging when the boat is in use.

jason1973
05-14-2019, 07:52 AM
Yah, i was talking about the alternator. And that was my point.. you won't be charging up your batteries when running unless the switch is on to a particular battery then that will charge. I know about not using "both" batterys at the same time. I get that, but then why do we have the "both 1&2" on the selector switch.

Usually i start the boat and use the radio on battery 1 and keep battery 2 in case i run down battery one. I use it as a spare.

My main point is, if battery 1 is down on power, you can't really charge it by running the boat. The only way is to use the onboard when you get back to electricity. Can't switch the battery during operation from what i was told.

Stazi
05-14-2019, 08:18 AM
This is the misnomer spread amongst some in the boating community about the battery switch.

I had a cruiser before my wakeboard boats, and it was equipped with a Perko switch. On those boats, it is critical to use the batteries properly or you might find yourself “dead in the water” as they say floating out in the ocean or the middle of the Great Lakes!

You should ALWAYS be running on BOTH while underway. This makes sure both batteries are being charged by the alternator!

The reason for battery 1 and battery 2 is to ensure you don’t drain both while the engine is off and you are using power. i.e. stereos, lights, a fridge , etc. while moored, anchored or drifting etc, you should switch to battery 2 and then all ancillaries will run off that battery. That way if you drain it, you can still switch to battery 1 and start the boat.

As I said previously, this confusion is eliminated with something like the battery doctor. The battery doctor isolates battery draw, but does not prevent both batteries being charged and eliminates the boater from having to keep switching the switch.

If you set up the battery doctor as intended you will NEVERend up dead in the water.

With the battery doctor you run the main boat needs off battery 1 and the stereo and all ancillaries off battery 2. Then if you run your stereo until battery 2 is completely dead, the boat will still start, and once the battery doctor senses that battery 1 is fully charged, it will begin to recharge battery 2. Also in the off chance you left your anchor lights running and you killed battery 1, you press a button on the battery doctor and it connect battery 2 (so like running BOTH on a Perko switch) and allows the boat to start.


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Matt0520
05-14-2019, 08:26 AM
can't switch the battery during operation from what i was told.

Definitely not while the engine is running, it’ll fry a bunch of important stuff.


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jason1973
05-14-2019, 08:33 AM
My dealer said, you shouldn't use "both" batteries as it screws with the electronics. And that was the reason. On my Mastercraft i always had it switched to both and never had any ill effects. But the dealer specifically said it wasn't about having a battery ready to go, it was about something in the electronics that didn't like both batteries in the on position.

Stazi
05-14-2019, 08:38 AM
My dealer said, you shouldn't use "both" batteries as it screws with the electronics. And that was the reason. On my Mastercraft i always had it switched to both and never had any ill effects. But the dealer specifically said it wasn't about having a battery ready to go, it was about something in the electronics that didn't like both batteries in the on position.

That’s utter bullshit from whoever told you that


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RC_Hinojosa
05-14-2019, 08:42 AM
That’s utter bullshit from whoever told you that


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkIt's in the manual, at least it is for the '17s.

It says the possible voltage differential (start bank/house bank) can damage sensitive electronics like the Vision screen so 1+2 should only be used in emergency situations.





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Stazi
05-14-2019, 08:45 AM
Yet another reason to ditch that switch then.

Although I don’t see how running two batteries in parallel can somehow cause voltage differences.

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jason1973
05-14-2019, 08:53 AM
Yet another reason to ditch that switch then.

Although I don’t see how running two batteries in parallel can somehow cause voltage differences.

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And i agree with you.. Parallel should be putting out roughly the same output. But yah, dealer said its not good for the electronics on the boat.

Prospersigman
05-14-2019, 08:54 AM
I use 1+2 to start my boat every time, I use 1+2 while surfing, wake boarding, etc. When we get to party cove, I reach down and switch the perko to battery 2 and run stereo, blow up rafts or the island for the kids. When we get ready to leave I use my airhead pump that connects to the battery (battery #2) to deflate the island and raft, switch the perko back to 1+2 start up and away we go.

Never had any issues with electronics or screens...I am calling BS on that as well.

Stazi
05-14-2019, 08:57 AM
This takes all the guess work and switching out of the equation and only costs $45!

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parrothd
05-14-2019, 09:12 AM
This takes all the guess work and switching out of the equation and only costs $45!

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Those are nice, I've used them in the past. If you keep the switch on 1+2 there can't be a voltage difference. I think the manual is trying to cover people running one battery dead then combining them.

jason1973
05-14-2019, 09:17 AM
Is there a shut off switch for the battery isolator? To stop any parasitic drain while boat is not in use?

Stazi
05-14-2019, 09:18 AM
Those are nice, I've used them in the past. If you keep the switch on 1+2 there can't be a voltage difference. I think the manual is trying to cover people running one battery dead then combining them.

Yes. That I could see as an issue. If battery 1 is dead and battery 2 is 12V then you end up with 6V. Problem is how would you ever get the dead battery recharged without using a separate charger then?

With the battery doctor you don’t need a perko switch at all!


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Stazi
05-14-2019, 09:20 AM
Is there a shut off switch for the battery isolator? To stop any parasitic drain while boat is not in use?

Yes! On My Craz it is under the observer seat. But that may only be that way because I got my boat with only one battery, from the dealer.

I ALWAYS turn the battery off when I’m on my lift as I found that the screen drains the battery when the boat is off. If you look closely at the screen when the boat is of (in a dark place) you can ever so faintly see it is on!

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Stazi
05-14-2019, 09:23 AM
I also have a solar panel charger I connect to the battery while it’s sitting. It charges both batteries through the battery doctor if I connect it to the 1 battery.


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TXSurf4
05-14-2019, 10:04 AM
Matt (Goose) wrote a post about this being a big debate as far as the 1+2 position goes, I will find it and post it up in here. For myself I run it in the 1+2 position. And anytime my boat is out of the water and I don’t have the stereo on I have the charger plugged in with the switch in the “Off” position.
I know I read somewhere to not have the switch “on” and the charger plugged in at the same time......


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jason1973
05-14-2019, 10:34 AM
I know its not advised to charge with the switch on. Its been that way for a while especially in the fishing boat market. Some have complained about hurting trolling motors charging the batteries when in the on position. THere have been times i have forgotten and its never hurt anything but i just assume having it off is better.

I hope we can get to the bottom of this. 1+2 was advised against. Love to hear from Moomba on if this is a myth or not. With my MC, my batteries last all day in the 1+2 mode for starting, radio etc.. never had an issue. Now if i do this the way the dealer told me, I could drain a battery fully and have to switch over. Seems like a weird setup to me. But two batteries powering equally seems like a better way to work this. Plus they both charge when the boat is underway which is important.

TXSurf4
05-14-2019, 10:56 AM
I know its not advised to charge with the switch on. Its been that way for a while especially in the fishing boat market. Some have complained about hurting trolling motors charging the batteries when in the on position. THere have been times i have forgotten and its never hurt anything but i just assume having it off is better.

I hope we can get to the bottom of this. 1+2 was advised against. Love to hear from Moomba on if this is a myth or not. With my MC, my batteries last all day in the 1+2 mode for starting, radio etc.. never had an issue. Now if i do this the way the dealer told me, I could drain a battery fully and have to switch over. Seems like a weird setup to me. But two batteries powering equally seems like a better way to work this. Plus they both charge when the boat is underway which is important.

Ya on my fishing boat I always turn my switch "Off" as well and I unplug my trolling motor. That is the way my dealer told me to do it when I bought it so I have always done it that way.

BigOrange
05-14-2019, 11:04 AM
Agree with TXSurf4. I'm 90% confident Goose or Engine Nut (from Indmar) responded a couple of years ago in a thread and said that it didn't used to be the case but their recommendations now are to always run the 1+2.

TXSurf4
05-14-2019, 11:18 AM
So this was the first post by Goose (Matt) dealing with the battery switch location debate:

"Well, the battery switch and recommended switch location has been a point of controversy over the years and internally we probably all don't see it the same way. The most conservative approach is to recommend the consumer leave the switch in the 1 or 2 position. IF you do that, and IF you charge your batteries often, then IF you were to be sitting on the lake all day listening to the stereo and the battery went dead, then you could theoretically switch it to the other battery, start your engine and go merrily on your way.

However, what I have found is most consumers do NOT charge their batteries often. And many consumers leave the switch in 1 position forever, never turning it off. If you leave the switch in the 1 position, then you would never be charging the 2nd battery as the alternator is completely separated from the 2nd battery. If you left it that all way all season without charging it, it is likely that if you ever did need the 2nd battery, it might be dead. In addition to that, running the engine and all accessories off 1 battery only will draw that battery down very quickly. Then discharging and charging that one battery often will then make that battery fail prematurely. Worst case is you end up having 1 battery that dies premature or doesn't hold a change very long, only to find out the other battery is also dead from not being charged.

That is why I personally always run my battery switch in both and charge often. One of the highest premature failures of deep cycle batteries is not charging them often enough or leaving them in a lower voltage situation for long times. In addition to that as I said before, if you are in the both position, then you have a true dual battery bank and it will not draw down your voltage near as quick when running ballast or stereo. In addition to that, the alternator will always be charging BOTH batteries when switch is in both. Granted, it can charge one battery at a time faster than 2, but I currently trailer my boat and I almost always end up having a decent run back to the dock at the end of the day when I am finished. Running the boat at a higher RPM increases the alternator output and seems to do a decent job of recharging the batteries. And like I said, we try and plug up the R&D boats very regularly which again tops off the charge to the batteries.

As a side note, I personally think some of the low voltage codes seen in some of the newer boats are also because most people are running the battery switch in 1 position and not charging the batteries enough. If you were to fill the ballast for 15 minutes, while listening to the stereo with key off, I could definitely see the one battery getting into the 11 volts or less range. That is when we start seeing "low voltage" and this amplifies the possibility of seeing the O2 sensor codes when you start back up. That is another reason we changed the 2018 ballast to only filling when the engine is running. While some people may not like it, with the 6 pumps running, it can drain the battery fairly quickly, especially with the battery in 1 position and key off. IF you do decide to run with the battery switch in "both" but want to sit and listen to the stereo for long times, then you can still move the switch to 1 battery only while you are sitting there. If you did that, then you would probably have a good backup battery if you run the 1 battery dead. Just remember to switch it back to both after you get started and then recharge the battery when you get home.

Hope that makes sense. Sorry about change in topic, but thought it might be helpful as some of you might want to try running the battery in the "both" switch and I hope that everyone will try and charge the batteries more often. Trust me, it will help!"
Matt Brown

TXSurf4
05-14-2019, 11:38 AM
Just so it isn't too confusing out of context of the other thread. Another question was posed to get some clarification on the issue.

Question: "I think maybe now you can see why there is some confusion on the battery setting. If I'm following along correctly, you have said you personally use the battery "1 + 2" setting all the time on the R&D boats and that is what you recommend. That being said, it contradicts what we are told in the Owner's Manual (quoted in the other thread).

Is the Owner's Manual being overly cautious in advising that the "1+2" setting only be used in emergency situations? What about the ground differentiation mentioned in respect to sensitive electronics onboard?

TIA for any clarification!"

Goose's Reply:


"That is a good question and I will try to answer it as best as I can....

The guy that wrote that sits in the office next to mine. His job is customer service. As many of you know, they deal with problems all day because most of you happy customers never call him to tell him how much you love your boat. Because of that, they sometimes come across a little on the conservative side and especially conservative when we have prior issues with items. As the boats have gotten more electronically advanced, we have had issues with sensitive electronics. Some of that is our fault, some has been vendor issues, but truth is we have also had some issues that could have been avoided IF people would have used a little more common sense to start with. Again, that is when we really get overly conservative on the owners manual side. It reminds me of the warning on the coffee cup that says the liquid inside is hot. Granted, that was probably because of a stupid lawsuit, but I think you get my point.

Anyways, IF you use 2 different style batteries that have different voltages, then you could absolutely get ground differentiation. And having ground differentiation can cause ground loops and other issues. So, part of that statement is true. However, the way it currently reads, it sounds like it will definitely happen all the time and that part is not true. As I and others have said, we highly recommend you use 2 of the exact same style batteries that are sized appropriately and keep them properly charged. If you do that, then you should not have ground differentiation and in fact running them on the both switch location would probably help keep them from having ground differentiation to start with.

Hope that helps clear up the confusion. We are actually planning to change how we word that for the 2018 owners manuals."

TXSurf4
05-14-2019, 11:42 AM
So all of that information can be found in the Autowake Questions thread starting around page 9 and Ill attached it below if anyone wants to read it all in context or for those of you with new boats like myself it has a ton of great information in it.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?30060-AutoWake-questions

jason1973
05-14-2019, 11:45 AM
good info. I charge every night when i return to my boat lift. So charging isn't an issue. Still concerned with what i heard about running in both screwing with electronics.

Prospersigman
05-14-2019, 01:20 PM
No reason to be concerned you are over thinking it at this point.

haknslash
05-14-2019, 02:18 PM
This has been good info and I didn’t expect so many posts on it lol. I always made it a habit to charge my batteries any time I wasn’t using the boat on the water. My dealer suggested I try and make it a habit to alternate using the batteries each time I go out. After reading the post above by Goose and I can understand the reasoning. For me I will just keep charging like I’m doing and will also alternate batteries each use (if I can remember lol) just so that the alternator gets a chance to charge both from time to time. I did not know it wasn’t recommended to not use the batteries while also charging. I’ve done this on my last boat when “garage boating” listening to the stereo while cleaning or whatever and never had issue but also didn’t have a trolling motor or sensitive electronics. From now on I’ll just leave the charger unplugged next time I want to listen to the tunes while in the driveway. Again this has been some good info to read and thanks everyone for sharing!

parrothd
05-14-2019, 03:06 PM
This has been good info and I didn’t expect so many posts on it lol. I always made it a habit to charge my batteries any time I wasn’t using the boat on the water. My dealer suggested I try and make it a habit to alternate using the batteries each time I go out. After reading the post above by Goose and I can understand the reasoning. For me I will just keep charging like I’m doing and will also alternate batteries each use (if I can remember lol) just so that the alternator gets a chance to charge both from time to time. I did not know it wasn’t recommended to not use the batteries while also charging. I’ve done this on my last boat when “garage boating” listening to the stereo while cleaning or whatever and never had issue but also didn’t have a trolling motor or sensitive electronics. From now on I’ll just leave the charger unplugged next time I want to listen to the tunes while in the driveway. Again this has been some good info to read and thanks everyone for sharing!

It's not the charging that's the issue, rather people will connect the charger backwards. It's easier just and cost effective to say it's bad to discourage people and reduce claims.

haknslash
07-07-2019, 10:57 AM
I figured I'd update this thread with a video I did yesterday of docking a vdrive now that I've had some seat time with the new boat. It is quite different coming from jet boat since everything is reversed on those to what you'd think you would do but learning the vdrive's natural tendencies is paying off. My salesman also helped teaching me this technique on our maiden voyage. Of course it was blowing hard crosswinds and white caps but i'm glad he made me learn in those conditions. We like to put in at Wind Creek State Park on Lake Martin and it's in a protected cove, so there usually isn't much wind you have to deal with unless it's blow real good. To any potential vdrives owners on here looking at getting one and worried how to dock them, just know that you'll get the hang of it and I would always try to dock to the starboard (right side) as it's much easier than trying it on the left. If a dock is to my left I rather pull in slow, spin the boat around to approach on an angle to my right and then pull the stern in towards the dock using reverse. Going at it from the left would just be a pain and potentially damage your boat so I'd recommend always dock starboard if you have the chance. Anyways figured I'd share a video showing even a vdrive newb can learn this technique with just a handful of outings...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnS5QQju_ik

Matt0520
07-07-2019, 10:05 PM
Great points. These are really easy to dock and spin within their own length if you use only idle bumps into forward or reverse.

I need the check, I think mine swings more easily to port/walks left [emoji848]


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haknslash
08-23-2020, 11:52 PM
Had to swing by the storage unit today and I realized I have never done a video tour of my Max. Video is broken into 2 parts due to length. I also give my thoughts and opinion on the upcoming changes to the 2021 Moomba Max. This is nothing new for you veterans on here but I figured I'd share for anyone new that may be looking into these boats.

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https://youtu.be/2bauPH40RuE

haknslash
08-23-2020, 11:53 PM
Here is Part 2


https://youtu.be/tjcNedZOTzM