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[Shoebox]

8 am where I am!


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[Matt0520]

As an Engineer, I can assure you that the hitch rating was established by SAE specification J684.

There is safety factor, but, typically I would not want to rely upon that factor towing a mortgage or my family.

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Safety factor, that’s the word he used. Sorry to bring this up, just had no idea and thought it was interesting.

So what’s your recommendation? See if GM can change the hitch out for one rated higher?


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[larry_arizona]

Safety factor, that’s the word he used. Sorry to bring this up, just had no idea and thought it was interesting.

So what’s your recommendation? See if GM can change the hitch out for one rated higher?


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I suggest shopping for a class 4 hitch and install it yourself. Last place I would go to rectify this situation is the dealer. Most dealers will not be qualified to fix this for you.

What vehicle do you have again?



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[Matt0520]

I suggest shopping for a class 4 hitch and install it yourself. Last place I would go to rectify this situation is the dealer. Most dealers will not be qualified to fix this for you.

What vehicle do you have again?


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‘17 Yukon 4x4 with “max tow” lol. Sure glad I dropped $60k+ on this for towing, only to learn now I need to spend yet more money on it. Effing joke.


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[Matt0520]

Actually now that I look again, this sticker is referring only to tongue weight? Idk

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[larry_arizona]

Can’t read that part number or hitch tag very clearly


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[Matt0520]

Can’t read that part number or hitch tag very clearly


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Whoops! Here
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[larry_arizona]

Whoops! Here
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190221/50f3498dd8b3f28ab7b1fc8958a5ef3f.jpg


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Looks like a class 4 to me, 1000# tongue 10000# trailer weight.


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[Matt0520]

Looks like a class 4 to me, 1000# tongue 10000# trailer weight.


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Woohooooo!! According to GM forums this is a recent change as the 15-16 I was reading about didn’t have it.

Thx for confirming.


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[rdlangston13]

Bermuda or Nova Scotia?
A little farther south. Guyana.

[RC_Hinojosa]

A little farther south. Guyana.David installed tapatalk on a sat phone [emoji16]

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[Shoebox]

A little farther south. Guyana.Helping the Hoffman's waste another fortune? [emoji23]

[rdlangston13]

Helping the people of Guyana gain a fortune.

[patrick232]

‘17 Yukon 4x4 with “max tow” lol. Sure glad I dropped $60k+ on this for towing, only to learn now I need to spend yet more money on it. Effing joke.


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Your fine, don't need to replace the hitch. We have had 3 suburbans 2 of the previous generation and 1 of the current generation and now the Denali. It's more about the tongue weight than the total weight. The main thing I would buy is an solid hitch and ball vs a hollow one. Get a 2" drop or adjustable one as the GM triplets hitch pint is high.

[Shoebox]

Helping the people of Guyana gain a fortune.[emoji1303]

[Matt0520]

Your fine, don't need to replace the hitch. We have had 3 suburbans 2 of the previous generation and 1 of the current generation and now the Denali. It's more about the tongue weight than the total weight. The main thing I would buy is an solid hitch and ball vs a hollow one. Get a 2" drop or adjustable one as the GM triplets hitch pint is high.

Cool thx. Already got a adjustable drop Andersen Hitch so good there. I’ll have to check ball, I think it’s solid. It’s heavy AF.


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[larry_arizona]

Your fine, don't need to replace the hitch. We have had 3 suburbans 2 of the previous generation and 1 of the current generation and now the Denali. It's more about the tongue weight than the total weight. The main thing I would buy is an solid hitch and ball vs a hollow one. Get a 2" drop or adjustable one as the GM triplets hitch pint is high.

Were your previous hitches class 3 or class 4?

Are you assuring that towing 6000# with a class 3 hitch is “fine” or just that it worked fine for you.

They make specs for a reason.


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[z28ke]

I installed the lift and wheels/tires yesterday and it looks like a whole new truck! Time for an alignment

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[twkoehn]

I installed the lift and wheels/tires yesterday and it looks like a whole new truck! Time for an alignment

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That is an amazing transformation!!! Great looking truck!!!

[z28ke]

That is an amazing transformation!!! Great looking truck!!!

Thank you! I still have a few more little things to do to it but I’m quite pleased in how the old gal turned out.

[patrick232]

Were your previous hitches class 3 or class 4?

Are you assuring that towing 6000# with a class 3 hitch is “fine” or just that it worked fine for you.

They make specs for a reason.


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The truck 16 had the heavy tow package and was rated the same as the current Denali. The 07 and 13 unsure of the hitch spec back then, I will say it worked for me and many others as I have not heard of anyone I know ever changing a hitch on a Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon that I know of. Now if GM I could convince myself the GM big brake kit will help the stopping power on the hills of TN I will add to the current truck or order a 2020 with them as I should have 100K miles on the 18 sometime that year

[Shoebox]

as I should have 100K miles on the 18 sometime that yearHoly crap! I have 28k on my daily driver 2015.

[rdlangston13]

Holy crap! I have 28k on my daily driver 2015.

We are at 80,000 on our 2015 daily driver. You sure you drive that thing daily?

[Shoebox]

We are at 80,000 on our 2015 daily driver. You sure you drive that thing daily?Yeah, but I'm a pilot so I'm gone half the time, and the farthest I usually have to go is 7-10 miles. Small-ish town living. Though if you work on a ship in Guayana, you're not around to drive much either.

[rdlangston13]

Yeah, but I'm a pilot so I'm gone half the time, and the farthest I usually have to go is 7-10 miles. Small-ish town living. Though if you work on a ship in Guayana, you're not around to drive much either.

I’m not but the wife is. She probably put 1/3 if those miles on while I’m gone. The rest are trips taken while Home.


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[Shoebox]

I’m not but the wife is. She probably put 1/3 if those miles on while I’m gone. The rest are trips taken while Home.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAh, well we each have our own vehicles. She puts about the same amount on her cars as I do mine. The dealers love us when we trade in. They never get cars as low mileage in trade. [emoji16]

[patrick232]

Holy crap! I have 28k on my daily driver 2015.

One of these days I'll get a phone vs driving

[Broke Pilot]

Yeah, but I'm a pilot so I'm gone half the time, and the farthest I usually have to go is 7-10 miles. Small-ish town living. Though if you work on a ship in Guayana, you're not around to drive much either.

Wish I could say the same, but that’s one of the perks is living 70miles from the airport. 140ish round trip a couple times a week ads up. I’m probly around 35k a year being conservative. Lol my bought new 17 Cummins has over 40k on it and I have other vehicles to drive!

[Shoebox]

Wish I could say the same, but that’s one of the perks is living 70miles from the airport. 140ish round trip a couple times a week ads up. I’m probly around 35k a year being conservative. Lol my bought new 17 Cummins has over 40k on it and I have other vehicles to drive!I'm about 50 miles from the airport, but I only drive the round trip 2 or 3 times a month.

[sandm]

man, 70 miles 1 way would put a ton on a car. we sold our house we rebuilt 2 months ago and moved into a rental while we find our next project. it's 1.3 miles from work.
gas mileage average in my '16 silverado has dropped from 17-18 from the last house to 12 currently. I don't think it has enough time to warm up. that 1.3 mile drive has 4 lights.

I'm thinking about buying one of these:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41OXKCA4aoL._SX425_.jpg
$500, don't require insurance and only registers 1x in it's life for a plate. and 80mpg's to boot.

[beat taco]

The reinforcements between a class 3 and 4 hitch on a f150 seem easy to add for someone looking to add piece of mind and strengthen where a class 3 would begin to fail.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/2012-max-tow-replacement-hitch-314932/

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[larry_arizona]

The reinforcements between a class 3 and 4 hitch on a f150 seem easy to add for someone looking to add piece of mind and strengthen where a class 3 would begin to fail.
https://www.f150forum.com/f82/2012-max-tow-replacement-hitch-314932/

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It appears everyone of the Ford hitches in that thread is only a class 3. 500# tongue and 5000# weight carrying is class 3 and what is important in our boat applications.

Nobody tows a wakeboat with weight distribution

The interesting post in that thread was the guy who was towing over the 500/5000# rating and his hitch failed.

Word is that Ford has corrected the 2019+ hitch and made a class 4 (1000/10000) available. Next time I am at the dealer, I will snap a picture of the hitch tag.


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[Matt0520]

Things like this tick me off about Ford. They seem to cut corners all the time with stuff like this. It’s a TRUCK. They tout the eco boosts best in class towing capacity and then they install that hitch. Lol

We almost bought an explorer sport as another family car, until we learned that Ford cut corners there too. When the IIHS started doing small overlap tests they only did it on the driver’s side. So Ford only reinforced that side of the car. When the passenger side small overlap was released, the Explorer failed miserably. Look it up on YouTube. It’s bad.

I’ve been an EMT for only a short time but I’ve seen a couple of these types of crashes, and one was fatal (for the front passenger). I get that companies cut corners to maximize profit, but when they do it with safety (which includes towing) I can’t look past that.


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[haknslash]

This is a post I made on our jet boat forum for how I plan to tackle the stupid factory class III F150 tow hitch. Hopefully this will help someone else out on here and save them from having to spend a lot of money on the extra hitch that sits below the factory Class III hitch and you also won’t have the weird dual receiver look on your truck. I will post more pics once my new Class IV hitch arrives but here is how I plan to do it from my post on the jet boaters forum....

“Ok after going out in the pouring rain I was determined to see if it is indeed possible transform my tow package F150 bumper to a non-tow package F150 bumper so that I could buy and use a Curt Class IV hitch. And the answer is yessir!!!

Check it out. After looking at the Curt Class IV hitch for an F150 without factory tow package I watched their video and noticed the differences between their bumper and the one that comes on a factory tow package F150. My truck use the lower 3rd bolt where as a non-tow package bumper just uses the middle and upper bolts. This means their bracket is a little shorter than mine which leaves the slot in the frame exposed to mount an aftermarket hitch. The other mounting location they use is up by the top of the spare tire which is fine on either truck package. It's the factory tow hitch and extra bracket material that needs to go...and it's certainly possible. Below I've marked up some screenshots from videos and pics of my truck to explain how I'm going to do this in case anyone else wants or has to do this.

F150 without tow package. He is showing in the etrailer video where you will insert their supplier fasteners once you have the hitch in place.....

http://i.imgur.com/iTo2XlN.jpg

Once you remove the rear bumper you will need to remove the metal bumper caps on each side. This will give you good access to the hitch and brackets where I will cut....

http://i.imgur.com/jAEOxjj.jpg

Below are pics of my truck and factory tow package bumper. I've marked where I will continue cutting the bumper bracket so that is is shaped like a non-factory tow package F150's bumper bracket. Remove bumper like above and cut along this line on both driver and passenger side brackets. After that I should be able to install the Curt hitch. Then I will reverse the steps of dissembling the bumper caps to the bumper and then mount the newly modified bumper bracket assembly to the frame of the truck.”

http://i.imgur.com/z1RRhsc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cUiTFjZ.jpg

[wired1236]

Let us know how it goes. I have a 2015 and am going through the same dilemma...


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[The General]

Finally convinced my wife that she needs a truck so she can pull the boat and I’ll pull the fifth wheel. It should match pretty well with the Vivid Orange [emoji51]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/b21b7d36c93fcd0da46239d0658445ac.jpg


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Finally convinced my wife that she needs a truck so she can pull the boat and I’ll pull the fifth wheel. It should match pretty well with the Vivid Orange [emoji51]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/b21b7d36c93fcd0da46239d0658445ac.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYour orange Mojo Pro is gonna look wicked behind that truck [emoji109]

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[larry_arizona]

Finally convinced my wife that she needs a truck so she can pull the boat and I’ll pull the fifth wheel. It should match pretty well with the Vivid Orange [emoji51]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/b21b7d36c93fcd0da46239d0658445ac.jpg


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You need some stars and bars on the roof and a big 01 in the doors......yeeeeeeeeehawwwww

Cool rig[emoji106]


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[The General]

You need some stars and bars on the roof and a big 01 in the doors......yeeeeeeeeehawwwww

Cool rig[emoji106]


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Larry, she already asked for the 01’s on the side and her middle name is Lee [emoji51]


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[Broke Pilot]

Love those special edition color rams. That orange is good. My next toy is gonna be a Go Mango Challenger if I ever finish these stupid F bodies. Lol

[haknslash]

Let us know how it goes. I have a 2015 and am going through the same dilemma...


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Shouldn't be too much longer and I'll have some detailed pics of the install and modification I'll do. I ordered from etrailers last Thursday evening and it was already in my state the next day. Good prices, Super fast and FREE shipping! It arrives tomorrow so I'll likely do the install next weekend and will report back.

http://i.imgur.com/DalcGCX.jpg

[wired1236]

Shouldn't be too much longer and I'll have some detailed pics of the install and modification I'll do. I ordered from etrailers last Thursday evening and it was already in my state the next day. Good prices, Super fast and FREE shipping! It arrives tomorrow so I'll likely do the install next weekend and will report back.

http://i.imgur.com/DalcGCX.jpg

Cool. I posted this on another forum. I went this way instead. No cutting. Basically just taking off the old hitch and putting on the bumper mount with no hitch.

“2. Remove the stock bumper/hitch assembly and purchase a new assembly w/o the stock hitch (Ford p/n HL3Z17D826D) , basically taking my stock hitch off then and buy the Curt (or similar) class IV hitch and install them both. Pros being it will look and function on the truck a lot better. Cons, more $$ and more work.
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Only cost me $158.00



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[Matt0520]

I asked my local dales guy about it. For some reason they won’t swap the hitch for us here at the dealership (if I bought a truck from him. We’re still considering options).


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[haknslash]

Pics of the new hitch and wiring adapter...

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Cool. I posted this on another forum. I went this way instead. No cutting. Basically just taking off the old hitch and putting on the bumper mount with no hitch.

“2. Remove the stock bumper/hitch assembly and purchase a new assembly w/o the stock hitch (Ford p/n HL3Z17D826D) , basically taking my stock hitch off then and buy the Curt (or similar) class IV hitch and install them both. Pros being it will look and function on the truck a lot better. Cons, more $$ and more work.
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Only cost me $158.00



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I'm aware I could have bought the extra Ford bracketd but I think I can save myself the extra $158 and just cut off what I don't need and then remount the bumper. Nobody would know the wiser unless they looked under my truck and noticed the cut edge. A little black paint and primer should blend it all in. It should function the same as a truck without factory tow package.

[haknslash]

Sorry for the delay on getting an updates with the hitch upgrade. Unfortunately yesterday we had to put down our 14 year old family dog and it has been so hard grieving and trying to adjust to life again. :(

I figured this was the perfect time to install the hitch and help keep my mind busy. I've got a bunch of pics I'll post in a more formal thread of its own to be easier for others to search and find in the future but here are some progress pics of removing the rear bumper, cutting off the factory tow hitch and temporarily mounting the Curt Class IV hitch to ensure everything will work. Happy to report this mod will work fine just as I had hoped!

http://i.imgur.com/UpcBz9p.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zpKKaYg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JT9Vmz9.jpg

[larry_arizona]

Very sorry to hear about your dog. Always a tough thing to do. Just remember all the amazing days your dog gave to you and your family. They are amazing family members!!!


Glad your hitch project is successful

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[haknslash]

Very sorry to hear about your dog. Always a tough thing to do. Just remember all the amazing days your dog gave to you and your family. They are amazing family members!!!


Glad your hitch project is successful

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Thanks Larry for the kind words!!! Keeping myself busy has helped a lot. I hate every time I walk in my house I expect to see or hear him coming to greet me but I know it will get a little easier each day. Too many good memories to remember with him!

BTW thanks again for reaching out to me on the hitch. Never would have crossed my mind otherwise.

Got the hitch all installed, torqued and ready to go. Now I just need to order the heavy duty draw bar and the truck will be ready for the new boat! Please excuse the filthy truck lol.

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[BrentC5Z]

Finally can contribute a photo. This was the day I hauled the Moomba home from TX (4.5 hrs) not really clean, but the newest photo I have.
'17 3.5, AFE CAI, 5* tune, King shocks & coilovers, bunch of aftermarket stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/hbl9iAr.jpg

[trayson]

Finally can contribute a photo. This was the day I hauled the Moomba home from TX (4.5 hrs) not really clean, but the newest photo I have.
'17 3.5, AFE CAI, 5* tune, King shocks & coilovers, bunch of aftermarket stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/hbl9iAr.jpg

King Coilovers are expensive high end stuff. Do you actually use your truck offroad? What kinda wheelin' do you do with it? I can't imagine spending money on King for a street queen...

[BrentC5Z]

King Coilovers are expensive high end stuff. Do you actually use your truck offroad? What kinda wheelin' do you do with it? I can't imagine spending money on King for a street queen...

It gets used. Just tow the boat and go play in it. Still has under 13,000 miles.
After this pic was taken, I pulled the Fox stuff and went with King. Compression adjustable remote reservoirs, Baja Kits controls arms, Deavers, etc.


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[trayson]

It gets used. Just tow the boat and go play in it. Still has under 13,000 miles.
After this pic was taken, I pulled the Fox stuff and went with King. Compression adjustable remote reservoirs, Baja Kits controls arms, Deavers, etc.


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Damn Son! No street queen there. Well done, well done indeed!!!

[Prospersigman]

He just said...Street Queen...I got your F'ing Street Queen right here!!!:-D

[BrentC5Z]

He just said...Street Queen...I got your F'ing Street Queen right here!!!:-D

That's funny!!


Hope it didn't come across like that.

[Tomiko]

Tows much better than the ram.

[rdlangston13]

Picked up a new to me tow vehicle today. 2018 F-150 Lariat FX4 with the max tow package (3.55 gears, oil cooler, trans cooler, 36 gal fuel tank, 3.5 EB).

Had to drive to Hammond, LA to get her but she is back in TX now I’m eager to hitch up to Mojo and see how she does. Our first gen EB in the expedition does great and the 2nd gen has 10 more hp and 70 more lb/ft of torque and a 10 speed so I am expecting it to do even better. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191109/7084752d1d3caf3b3dc131128e75af6c.jpg


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[bergermaister]

Nice upgrade from the old RAM!

[larry_arizona]

Picked up a new to me tow vehicle today. 2018 F-150 Lariat FX4 with the max tow package (3.55 gears, oil cooler, trans cooler, 36 gal fuel tank, 3.5 EB).

Had to drive to Hammond, LA to get her but she is back in TX now I’m eager to hitch up to Mojo and see how she does. Our first gen EB in the expedition does great and the 2nd gen has 10 more hp and 70 more lb/ft of torque and a 10 speed so I am expecting it to do even better. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191109/7084752d1d3caf3b3dc131128e75af6c.jpg


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Sweet truck, got two of the same (2018 and 2019) just fix that factory hitch.


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[MJHSupra]

Sweet truck, got two of the same (2018 and 2019) just fix that factory hitch.


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[larry_arizona]

Mounting issues? Rating?

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Tow rating is only 5000# https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191109/4a80f3b4d5ce55565c843c20f4d905e5.jpg

Rumor was they fixed this problem on the 2019’s but my 19 has the same hitch.


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[rdlangston13]

It’s a little odd because it’s listed as a class IV on the window sticker. I wonder if they just have a generic rating because the lower model trucks are limited to this rating. In any case, I’m not going to worry about it.


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[larry_arizona]

It’s a little odd because it’s listed as a class IV on the window sticker. I wonder if they just have a generic rating because the lower model trucks are limited to this rating. In any case, I’m not going to worry about it.


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Nope, it’s a well known Ford issue. Truck can tow 13k but the hitch is only rated to 5k.

I just didn’t want to risk it with an 8000# rig

So I added a 10k hitch. Shitty part is the stock hitch is integral to the bumper.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191109/e32a6ca688585975b644d2a91812825f.jpg

Just not sure on owner liability if the hitch broke and owner was found to have overloaded the factory hitch. I can’t afford paying for my wrecked boat when insurance is rejected.

$150 10k hitch is WELL worth it. It masks well with a hitch plug and some dirt lol.

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[rdlangston13]

The hitch is rated for more than 5k. It’s 5k weight carrying but it says 11,600 weight distributing. And the only truck that rated for 13k is the single cab 4x2.


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[sandm]

Found my next tow rig at sema yesterday. Complete with a full on wet sound system.. ... :)
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[Shoebox]

The hitch is rated for more than 5k. It’s 5k weight carrying but it says 11,600 weight distributing. And the only truck that rated for 13k is the single cab 4x2.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes but boats are weight-carrying.

[larry_arizona]

The hitch is rated for more than 5k. It’s 5k weight carrying but it says 11,600 weight distributing. And the only truck that rated for 13k is the single cab 4x2.


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Boats are pulled at the weight carrying rating.

You can’t use a weight distributing hitch on a boat trailer as you can’t back up with a WD hitch. WD hitches are used on travel trailers and construction trailers.

I was in denial when I got my 2018, but the engineer in me took over.

$180 fix https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Ford/F-150/2018/C14016.html?VehicleID=201833000

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[larry_arizona]

Found my next tow rig at sema yesterday. Complete with a full on wet sound system.. ... :)
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That truck looks awful!!!!


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[MJHSupra]

Found my next tow rig at sema yesterday. Complete with a full on wet sound system.. ... :)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191109/86c8d94539f9822c68abe390c2995e62.jpg

Sent from my SM-G935V using TapatalkNice pic. Ha ha. Yikes!

Did you go?

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[sandm]

Nice pic. Ha ha. Yikes!

Did you go?



we went and killed a few hours on friday afternoon to look at all the outside stuffs.
ford had a huge display and had a couple raptors running hot laps around a small course doing a jump and some "drifting". wanted a ride in the 2020 gt500 but that wasn't happening. 105k msrp.. yikes...

[larry_arizona]

we went and killed a few hours on friday afternoon to look at all the outside stuffs.
ford had a huge display and had a couple raptors running hot laps around a small course doing a jump and some "drifting". wanted a ride in the 2020 gt500 but that wasn't happening. 105k msrp.. yikes...

GT500 at $105k+ or C8Z51 at $65k, I know what I am picking.....


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[sandm]

GT500 at $105k+ or C8Z51 at $65k, I know what I am picking.....


that 105k price is all the boxes checked. vette should be in the low80's once you check a few boxes. stang should be 80-90 for most models. if you could pick up a gt500 for msrp I bet you could flip it for a few bills as dealer markups will have most of them in triple numbers.

3 years later when you are tired of either one I'll take the 'stang. resale on that model should pwn any corvette but the zr1.
did try to find a 2020 vette outside but not a single one to be had. kinda disappointed that a new release like that wouldn't have had a few floating around but they must have all been inside.

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[rdlangston13]

Went to the scales today with the boat and new truck and somehow my boat gained about 600 lbs. not sure how or maybe these things have a large margin of error? Two years ago when I weight the boat and trailer was 6900. Today it was 7480.

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[larry_arizona]

Went to the scales today with the boat and new truck and somehow my boat gained about 600 lbs. not sure how or maybe these things have a large margin of error? Two years ago when I weight the boat and trailer was 6900. Today it was 7480.

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What do you think about a 5000# hitch now?


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[rdlangston13]

I think whether it’s weight carrying or weight distributing the hitch still sees the same tongue weight so I think it’s fine as long as I’m not exceeding my rear axle weight rating (which I’m not), I think it’s fine.




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[Shoebox]

I think whether it’s weight carrying or weight distributing the hitch still sees the same tongue weight so I think it’s fine as long as I’m not exceeding my rear axle weight rating (which I’m not), I think it’s fine.




Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNot true. The bars on the WD hitch pull the hitch up, reducing the weight on the hitch itself, and transferring it to the front axle.

[rdlangston13]

Whether it’s transferred to the front axle or not it irrelevant. It takes weight off of the rear axle and transfers it to the front but the hitch is still see the weight, if anything it increases the weight on the hitch because now it’s holding the tongue weight and all the spring tension from the bars


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[larry_arizona]

Your truck, your boat, your liability, your choice. It will hold until it doesn’t.

Just wanted to inform you. Good luck to you.


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[Prospersigman]

Every time I see this conversation on any forum it always goes something like this, there never seems to be a definitive answer and it always seems like the chicken or the egg...

[larry_arizona]

Every time I see this conversation on any forum it always goes something like this, there never seems to be a definitive answer and it always seems like the chicken or the egg...

It’s confusing no doubt. My favorite is when truck owner asks the dealer and they say it’s ok. The dealer is about the worst source of information and the last one to accept liability when a hitch fails.

SAE J2807 is the spec. I suggest researching it.

Again, $180 is worth piece of mind.


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[larry_arizona]

Peace of mind, not the iron maiden record piece of mind lol....



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[Shoebox]

Whether it’s transferred to the front axle or not it irrelevant. It takes weight off of the rear axle and transfers it to the front but the hitch is still see the weight, if anything it increases the weight on the hitch because now it’s holding the tongue weight and all the spring tension from the bars


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThere is a reason that the rating is different. The bars cause the hitch to pull up on the receiver, to an extent, hence NOT carrying the same weight. Imagine you had a receiver resting on a scale. You put a broomstick in and push down - that's regular, weight-carrying hitch, and increases the weight on the scale. Now pull up on the broomstick. That's weight-distributing, and reduces weight on the scale.

But like Larry said, your truck, your decision, your liability. A better hitch is simply cheap insurance.

[rdlangston13]

I feel like that’s a way over simplification of the forces at work here. If that were the case then the tow vehicle would end up lighter with the trailer than without which does not happen. What a weight distribution hitch does is reduce the vertical pivot in the ball which allows tongue weight to be shared among all 3 axles however the rear axle of the tow vehicle still carries most of the tongue weight but all of the added weight to the vehicle is supported by the hitch still. There is no way to take a 1160 lb tongue weight and get the trailer axles to support 660 lbs of it. It would be cool to see someone test all of our theories with scales though


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[Shoebox]

I feel like that’s a way over simplification of the forces at work here. If that were the case then the tow vehicle would end up lighter with the trailer than without which does not happen. What a weight distribution hitch does is reduce the vertical pivot in the ball which allows tongue weight to be shared among all 3 axles however the rear axle of the tow vehicle still carries most of the tongue weight but all of the added weight to the vehicle is supported by the hitch still. There is no way to take a 1160 lb tongue weight and get the trailer axles to support 660 lbs of it. It would be cool to see someone test all of our theories with scales though


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOf course that's an oversimplification, but it's an illustration of what it does

It's been done, many times. Take a truck and trailer to the scales with a WD hitch. Weigh the rear axle with the WD bars disconnected, and then connect them and see the difference. It shifts some weight to the front axle, and the rear axle weight, as well as the weight felt by the hitch, is lessened. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191111/af389b371bf8ae601291934f85732dfc.jpg

[larry_arizona]

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[sandm]

this has come up a lot recently on a couple forums.
my only learn has been:

buy a chevy you are good.
buy a ford and you are replacing the hitch.
no mention of dodge so crawl under and look. replace if only 5k..

[patrick232]

There was only 3 inside I seen. The GM strike has delayed production

[rdlangston13]

Was a little bored during quarantine and decided to check out this forscan thing.

Made a few basic changes to my F150, I’m
still a beginner at this. If you have used it post up what changes you made. I did the following.

1. Added the digital temperatures above the analog gauges for engine coolant and transmission

2. Enabled the Lincoln auto fold mirrors

3. Enabled the fog lights to stay on with the high beams

4. Disabled the double honk when you get out of the truck with key in your pocket while it’s running

5. Added heated/cooled seat controls to the SYNC3 home screen

6. Changed the lane change signal from 3 to 5 flashes


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[Branden967]

this has come up a lot recently on a couple forums.
my only learn has been:

buy a chevy you are good.
buy a ford and you are replacing the hitch.
no mention of dodge so crawl under and look. replace if only 5k..

Come on no Toyota’s in there too? I guess because they don’t break��

[rdlangston13]

Come on no Toyota’s in there too? I guess because they don’t break��

Probably more because we have to tow stuff


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Come on no Toyota’s in there too? I guess because they don’t break��Let's see your Yota.

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[Branden967]

Probably more because we have to tow stuff


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Lol! I gotta download tapatalk, I’m having the upload issue...

Here’s an oldie.

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[RC_Hinojosa]

I see your iforce V8 and raise you 935 ft lbs of torque [emoji441]

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[Branden967]

Nice looking rig you have there. I really like those mud flaps...do they hang off the bumper or the trailer tongue?

[RC_Hinojosa]

Thanks.

The rock tamer flaps are on adjustable arms attached to the hitch.


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[rdlangston13]

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Not quite 935 ftlbs but it’s not bad for sixer at 470 lol.


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[zabooda]

Veronica must work in the coronavirus field. Throw some numbers together and through out a general comment.

[Craz16]

Had to post to be on top with The Ford haha

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[htfit]

Probably need to trade it in soon. I had a 2wd Tundra before and pulled a 2003 moomba lsv with no problems ever, so I didnt think I needed 4wd. Last time at the boat ramp it was struggling getting grip to pull the boat up the ramp. It took several attempts and burnouts to finally get up. I guess there is a big difference between pulling the Max and an old lsv [emoji50].28512

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[larry_arizona]

2wd trucks on a boat ramp would freak me out.

When the algae gets built up on the ramp and your rear wheels get on the wet algae, there is nothing that will prevent your whole rig from sliding into the lake once you get out of the truck.

When the ramp gets slick, I engage the front axle to hold the truck.


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[larry_arizona]

When the ramp gets slick, throw some sand on it.


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[bteeter]

Needed something to haul a boat and haul ass.
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[larry_arizona]

Needed something to haul a boat and haul ass.
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Hellcat?


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[bteeter]

I wish...just a SRT. Bought it before the track hawk was available.

[bergermaister]

I wish...just a SRT. Bought it before the track hawk was available.

How do you like it? We've been looking at the SRT for a while - same reasons. Want something fun but need a ute.

[haknslash]

My ole sled still hanging in there. Looks tiny with the Max behind it lol. I think my next truck will be the new F250 with the 7.3 gasser in it. I think that would pull the boat noooo problemo :D

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[bteeter]

How do you like it? We've been looking at the SRT for a while - same reasons. Want something fun but need a ute.

SRT has been tons of fun. Best option I could find that could do family duty, haul a boat and still be a hoot to drive. Bought mine new but you can get a nice deal on used one with a few years on it. I still get big grins using launch mode!

[DNIXD99]

My ole sled still hanging in there. Looks tiny with the Max behind it lol. I think my next truck will be the new F250 with the 7.3 gasser in it. I think that would pull the boat noooo problemo :D

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We have very similar taste

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[Isaguel]

The old ecoboost seems to do just fine pulling the Moomba. Never noticed a hunger for power. Little things got plenty of torque. I still have concerns about long term durability of a turbo engine vs the naturaly aspirated V8, but so far so good. Hasn't let me down. I wont worry bout it until start approaching 100k+ miles. I take good care of it and outside of hauling the boat, I do not drive it hard, so I expect it to last for my needs. Don't think I would get it if it was a truck used for work such as regular heavy loads/construction/landscaping business, and that sort of thing. Bur for the weekend warrior its more than adequate and I'm pretty happy with it.

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[rdlangston13]

The old ecoboost seems to do just fine pulling the Moomba. Never noticed a hunger for power. Little things got plenty of torque. I still have concerns about long term durability of a turbo engine vs the naturaly aspirated V8, but so far so good. Hasn't let me down. I wont worry bout it until start approaching 100k+ miles. I take good care of it and outside of hauling the boat, I do not drive it hard, so I expect it to last for my needs. Don't think I would get it if it was a truck used for work such as regular heavy loads/construction/landscaping business, and that sort of thing. Bur for the weekend warrior its more than adequate and I'm pretty happy with it.

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Our gen1 in our expeditions has 97,000 miles I think with about 10% of that pulling our 7,000 lbs Mojo and no issues really. We did have a water pump get replaced under warranty but that was it.


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[haknslash]

We have very similar taste

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Haha yea we do!

[FamilyMan]

Bought a new tow rig.... then got a slip :confused:

Either way, needed bigger shoes (35"s). Really was just so impressed with the Ram after test driving the big three (sorry Tundra... too old... and coming from a Tacoma).

After
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Before (32" stockers)
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Y'all would have laughed... and cringed... hard when I was launching my 7k lb boat/trailer combo with my 2006 non-tow-packaged 4 pinned (no brake control) Tacoma 2wd a couple times a week last year. Waaaay over the limits (Don't worry, used the wife's escalade for anything over those 200 yards .... braking with the tacoma even under 5 mph was legit scary, especially on tar chip). Granted I was going all of 200 yards from storage to dock. Learned how to force that open diff to transfer torque quite well. Only problem, it always had to be me... hard to teach a buddy on the fly. Ram pulls it great to the dealer when rarely needed, kind of sad I do not tow that often as the surround cameras are fantastic on new trucks.

[bergermaister]

So after looking hard at the SRT Cherokee, Denali, Tahoe, Escalade, Land Rover, etc etc, we changed directions a little and brought this one home yesterday.

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Pretty hilarious - after they took a look at the old Navigator while we were out test driving, the sales guy comes back with "any idea what that loud knocking sound is?"

Me: "Hmmm, nope. Maybe an exhaust leak?" (yeah, or shot cam phasers, timing chains, cam followers, cam, oil pump, and on and on)

Goodbye old Nav, you were fun while you lasted.

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[jcarter20]

Finally made the jump to a diesel. I didn’t know what I was missing (well actually I did). Never again will I own a gas truck. Too bad boating season is coming to an end in Ohio. I am looking forward to towing as much as boating now!

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[larry_arizona]

Finally made the jump to a diesel. I didn’t know what I was missing (well actually I did). Never again will I own a gas truck. Too bad boating season is coming to an end in Ohio. I am looking forward to towing as much as boating now!

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Nice Rig!!


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[Surf Wagon]

Finally made the jump to a diesel. I didn’t know what I was missing (well actually I did). Never again will I own a gas truck. Too bad boating season is coming to an end in Ohio. I am looking forward to towing as much as boating now!

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkCongrats on the new ride

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[Prospersigman]

I am not a GM guy, but that is a great looking 3/4 ton!! I think the Chevy front end is so much cooler looking than the front end on the GMC 2500. My buddy bought a new GMC AT4 2500, but I like the looks of the Chevy better.

Congrats, now you can look down on those 1/2 gasers.

[jcarter20]

I am not a GM guy, but that is a great looking 3/4 ton!! I think the Chevy front end is so much cooler looking than the front end on the GMC 2500. My buddy bought a new GMC AT4 2500, but I like the looks of the Chevy better.

Congrats, now you can look down on those 1/2 gasers.

Thanks! I think the same thing. At first I didn’t like the front end of the Chevy’s, but after I saw this one with the all chrome grill it really grew on me. I definitely like the running and head lights better on the Chevy then the GMC. The rims and tires make the truck in my opinion. That was a hard sell to the wife, but hey, who needs Christmas and Birthday presents anyway. [emoji12]


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[rdlangston13]

Did some updated to the F150 lately. Put on Firestone ride rite air bags and installed the air lift wireless air 2 compressor and remote. Also put on bilstein 5100s all the way around with the front set a 2.1” of rise. Plan is to do nee tires when I get home work next. Going from a 275/55R20 to a 285/60R20. Looking at Toyo OC AT3.

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[bergermaister]

Looks great with the level! I too am looking at the Toto OC AT3 for the next set.

I’ve never need bags for the boat but my enclosed trailer has some serious tongue weight. Nice to hit the button and level up isn’t it.

[rdlangston13]

Looks great with the level! I too am looking at the Toto OC AT3 for the next set.

I’ve never need bags for the boat but my enclosed trailer has some serious tongue weight. Nice to hit the button and level up isn’t it.

I did the bags mainly because with the level, I don’t want the rear sagging below the front when towing the boat. And the convenience of the onboard compressor with a remote control with presets is amazing.


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[sandm]

rd, looks good. I've been contemplating doing something with the chevy. the ramps here are super shallow and my ass end is in the water when dumping the boat so want to get it a little higher with a bigger hitch drop.
I think the way you went is what I have been looking at. any downside to the "lift" in the front? really want this truck to run another 10 years for me and seems there's pros and cons to even a slight lift.

[rdlangston13]

rd, looks good. I've been contemplating doing something with the chevy. the ramps here are super shallow and my ass end is in the water when dumping the boat so want to get it a little higher with a bigger hitch drop.
I think the way you went is what I have been looking at. any downside to the "lift" in the front? really want this truck to run another 10 years for me and seems there's pros and cons to even a slight lift.

It’s only been on for a day so I don’t have a good review yet. I think that the increased angle on the front CV joints can cause them to maybe wear out earlier. I think if I were going to do it again I would use the next setting down in the struts instead of the max lift. The front ended up being almost a little higher in the rear and I had bump the unloaded bag pressure from 5 to 15 psi to get the rear about 1/2” higher than the front. The ride doesn’t seem worse and I’ve heard the 5100s help when towing even.


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[2in2out]

rd, looks good. I've been contemplating doing something with the chevy. the ramps here are super shallow and my ass end is in the water when dumping the boat so want to get it a little higher with a bigger hitch drop.
I think the way you went is what I have been looking at. any downside to the "lift" in the front? really want this truck to run another 10 years for me and seems there's pros and cons to even a slight lift.

I regret not doing a control arm upgrade with my 3” lift. Adjustable struts are nice, but the right sized control arms maintain the front wheel offset and CV angle. CV angle reduction in IFS systems is often done with a differential drop spacer when lift is under 3”, and wheel offset is usually accommodated by new wheels with machined offsets in these types of lifts/levels. Ball joint wear is a definite concern, and I’ve lost stability.

A consideration in lifting the rear is to drop the carrier bearing accordingly to reduce the driveline angle.

I did a 3” spacer kit in front and Toytec adjustable shackles in the back. I’m not a fan of trucks having rake, and I think RD did a good job of leveling out. On my truck I first went with 1”, but preferred the 1.5” rear lift.

When adding a compressor, assess the location for the compressor and the intake. Submerging the compressor on our Range Rover cost me $3k. A very bad design and system leak got the best of me.


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[sandm]

not looking to go overly crazy. maybe 1.5" and level out the back but also don't want to dump a grand or 2 into a lift and don't want to see increased wear on the front end. ya I know- cake and eat it too :) weighing that between having to dump the back every time we launch and frankly rc's truck looks much better in the after pics. our f250SD stock is much taller than the chevy and want a nice inbetween which rc looks to have found :)

[Holdmybeer]

not looking to go overly crazy. maybe 1.5" and level out the back but also don't want to dump a grand or 2 into a lift and don't want to see increased wear on the front end. ya I know- cake and eat it too :) weighing that between having to dump the back every time we launch and frankly rc's truck looks much better in the after pics. our f250SD stock is much taller than the chevy and want a nice in between which rc looks to have found :)

Not sure what size Chevy you have but on my 3500 I cranked the bars in the front just enough to get them off the bump stops and help the ride.
If you look close there is a frame stop on the UCA of the GM trucks and you want at least 3/4" gap in both directions. It can be aligned after that and not cause any premature wear.
I wanted a lift so badly but 33's are expensive enough and going to 35's or 37's would have ruined towing. I already use a 6" drop receiver to pull level. I bought 5100's and keys and called it a day. I needed shocks anyway so that was justified and $100 for keys was certainly less than $2K. I am only lifted 1-1.25" in the front so close to your desired result and being a 3500 the rear is so stiff there is no sagging. I run level with 4K worth of mulch or dirt in the bed after the mods.

[larry_arizona]

Leveling the current 1/2 tons looks great. 33’s are perfect and the new F150’s come with factory 33’s


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[jcarter20]

rd, looks good. I've been contemplating doing something with the chevy. the ramps here are super shallow and my ass end is in the water when dumping the boat so want to get it a little higher with a bigger hitch drop.
I think the way you went is what I have been looking at. any downside to the "lift" in the front? really want this truck to run another 10 years for me and seems there's pros and cons to even a slight lift.

I had a GMC 2500 with a leveling kit installed. It was done by a professional, and prior to me purchasing the truck used. I ran the truck to 100k miles with no premature wear or any problems at all. I will say though, my truck always got terrible highway gas mileage compared to others with the same truck. It always made wonder if the leveling kit changed the wind drag and caused me to loose 1 or 2 mpg. Or maybe I just have a lead foot. Either way, trucks look much better leveled out in my opinion. I love the air bag idea because I can’t stand seeing the front ride higher than the rear when towing.


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[larry_arizona]

Leveling absolutely kills mpg, the massive air dams on trucks and rake angle is for mpg.

Heavy tires are a mpg killer too, LT’s are much heavier that P metric.

LT’s are 20# heavier than the same same size p metric

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[jcarter20]

Leveling absolutely kills mpg, the massive air dams on trucks and rake angle is for mpg


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Well then, question answered. [emoji23]. Of course I didn’t buy it for fuel mileage so I didn’t care too much.


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[SONIC]

Leveling absolutely kills mpg, the massive air dams on trucks and rake angle is for mpg.

Heavy tires are a mpg killer too, LT’s are much heavier that P metric.

LT’s are 20# heavier than the same same size p metric

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I hadn't given that any thought. Good point!
My new DMax is leveled it looks great but the MPG are less than I would have expected for a tuned deleted truck, maybe this plays a role.
Gotta love a diesel though, 14mpg around town and 14mpg pulling a loaded 30' gooseneck down the interstate.

[larry_arizona]

I wouldn’t sweat the loss in mpg unless I was running mostly highway miles. Leveling just looks good.

LT tires on a 3/4 ton+ are required obviously, but I would never put them on a 1/2 ton mainly due to significant loss of ride quality.


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[SONIC]

Oh yeah I'm not worried about it at all just thought it was odd as my last duramax would pull 22 on the interstate with just a tune and this one never tops 16.

[jcarter20]

Oh yeah I'm not worried about it at all just thought it was odd as my last duramax would pull 22 on the interstate with just a tune and this one never tops 16.

My 2020 Dmax was getting 20 mpg on the highway with the cruise set at 79-80 (most of the time) around town 14 mpg. No tune, just factory. Been pretty happy with it. I honestly haven’t paid much attention with the new rims and 35’s on it though. Probably less now.


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[Isaguel]

This is for those who own a Ford and want to REALLY know how much your truck can tow. We know the advertised towing capacity is affected by cabin size, bed size, accessories, 4x4vs 2x4, etc.

Well, if you a own an F-series truck, guess no more.
Go here and enter your VIN and you'll get the answer straight from Ford.

https://fordfleetlive.com/#/VinCalculator

[rdlangston13]

Leveling absolutely kills mpg, the massive air dams on trucks and rake angle is for mpg.

Heavy tires are a mpg killer too, LT’s are much heavier that P metric.

LT’s are 20# heavier than the same same size p metric

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I have not seen any mpg drop yet since leveling. And I cut off about 2/3 to 3/4 of that air dam. I just hated how it looked so low in the front, I wish it had the skid plate that went up to the front bumpers like the raptors and such. In June I am planning on new tires and I am confident that that is where my fuel mileage hit is going to come from. Looking at going with Toyo Open Country AT3 in either 285/60 R20 (33.5") or 295/60R20 (33.9"). Tough decisions!

[larry_arizona]

I have not seen any mpg drop yet since leveling. And I cut off about 2/3 to 3/4 of that air dam. I just hated how it looked so low in the front, I wish it had the skid plate that went up to the front bumpers like the raptors and such. In June I am planning on new tires and I am confident that that is where my fuel mileage hit is going to come from. Looking at going with Toyo Open Country AT3 in either 285/60 R20 (33.5") or 295/60R20 (33.9"). Tough decisions!

If you stay in the P metric in the AT3’s you won’t lose much mileage at all.

You won’t notice mpg loss from any lift in city driving. Possibly in sustained highway driving.


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[russellsmojo]

I have the nitto terra grappler 2. I have about 35k on them and still running good. I would recommend if looking at brands/styles.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I have the nitto terra grappler 2. I have about 35k on them and still running good. I would recommend if looking at brands/styles.


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I've run sets of those in the past.

My current go-to are the Ridge Grapplers.

Really good streetable hybrid tire. More agressive than an AT, less annoying than an MT and tremendous wear resistance with regular rotations. I have about 45k on my current set and they come in load E rating.

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[rhouse181]

It's worth cross shopping the Falken Wildpeak at3w... pretty quiet for a AT and you still get an aggressive looking sidewall. There is also a mud version.

If you aren't concerned about having that "off road" look, then the Continental TerrainContact A/T are ridiculously awesome. Currently running them on my Tahoe and they have been stellar.

[larry_arizona]

It's worth cross shopping the Falken Wildpeak at3w... pretty quiet for a AT and you still get an aggressive looking sidewall. There is also a mud version.

If you aren't concerned about having that "off road" look, then the Continental TerrainContact A/T are ridiculously awesome. Currently running them on my Tahoe and they have been stellar.

The conti T/C A/T’s are outstanding and don’t look bad at all, got them on my 02 Sierra.

I get all conti tires 1/2 price.

The wild peaks look great if you want to that more aggressive look.

The toyo OC AT3’s also are great and a huge upgrade to the AT2 variant, the 2’s were dangerously bad in wet conditions.

The nitto grapplers also give that aggressive look and great performance.

I will likely opt for the Toyo AT3’s when my 2021 F150 arrives, although at this rate it will be a 2022.


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[rdlangston13]

If you stay in the P metric in the AT3’s you won’t lose much mileage at all.

You won’t notice mpg loss from any lift in city driving. Possibly in sustained highway driving.


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I'm not really sure going with P metric will work with the size i want to go to. I also wouldnt mind the increased stability towing with the LT tires. I have not been able to hitch up since the leveling kit and 5100s on the rear so I guess I will find out how all that affected it June.

Toyo AT3 from Discount Tire is $308/ea for 285/60R20 and $392/each for 295/60R20. That may have made up my mind right there!

[larry_arizona]

I'm not really sure going with P metric will work with the size i want to go to. I also wouldnt mind the increased stability towing with the LT tires. I have not been able to hitch up since the leveling kit and 5100s on the rear so I guess I will find out how all that affected it June.

Toyo AT3 from Discount Tire is $308/ea for 285/60R20 and $392/each for 295/60R20. That may have made up my mind right there!

You would have to drop down to a 275/60/20 to get back into a P series. Has plenty of load carrying ability.

Still a 33x11 and 14# lighter that an E rated LT. E ply’s ride rough.


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[Prospersigman]

F rated tires ride even worse but the E rated ones I find wear much faster than the F rated tires do if you are towing a bunch and hauling a bunch. I can get an additional 10-12K miles on an F rated tire over E in a Super Duty anyways.

[Holdmybeer]

I like hybrid traction.
As RC stated the Ridge Grappler is a nice tire.

I have the Toyo R/T which is basically the same thing as the Ridge Grapplers. I run LT255/80r17 E-rated on my dually. (33x10) After 35K miles and running on bad front shocks for 5K of those, they still have 12-15K miles left to go.

Drop down to LT275/65r20 (34x10.5) and your choices increase and your price decrease at Discount Tire. Terra Grappler G2 Load range SL $274/ea Toyo AT3 Load E $329

[larry_arizona]

Used truck prices are insane.

My new truck is scheduled to deliver on 4/30, Vroom is offering me $6800 over my lease buyout, 2 days later they increased it to $7300 over.

Would have never thought I could sell a lease and get positive equity, much less $7300 in equity.


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[Holdmybeer]

If you have a commuter car for around town, DO IT!
The dealer is not going to match this. I would call and see, but you are going to re-coop all your lease money and then still get your new truck in a week.

[larry_arizona]

If you have a commuter car for around town, DO IT!
The dealer is not going to match this. I would call and see, but you are going to re-coop all your lease money and then still get your new truck in a week.

Vroom is only going to go up on offer (have you seen dealer truck inventories? They are empty), I will wait 2 weeks, take delivery of new truck and then have vroom come get my 2018 and cut me a check. My 2018 isn’t due until 5/15

A month ago Carvana was offering me $1300
This week vroom started at $6800
This week Carvana offered $5900
This morning Vroom increased to $7300

I like my odds on offer going up over next couple weeks.

I can’t get rid of my 2018 as it’s my only means of towing the boat. No way I would move it until 2021 is in hand.

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[RC_Hinojosa]

Vroom is only going to go up on offer (have you seen dealer truck inventories? They are empty), I will wait 2 weeks, take delivery of new truck and then have vroom come get my 2018 and cut me a check. My 2018 isn’t due until 5/15


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLet us know how those new lay-flat seats work.

....you know, for sleeping and stuff [emoji23]


Scenario:
kids are asleep...sneak outside w/ mrs, actuate seats flat, star gaze through panorama roof & hot box the truck till smoke obscures the roof [emoji16]

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[larry_arizona]

Let us know how those new lay-flat seats work.

....you know, for sleeping and stuff [emoji23]


Scenario:
kids are asleep...sneak outside w/ mrs, actuate seats flat, star gaze through panorama roof & hot box the truck till smoke obscures the roof [emoji16]

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I didn’t order them lol. Only ordered an XLT


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I didn’t order them lol. Only ordered an XLT


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[larry_arizona]

Pheasant, lol

[emoji13]

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Never been called a game bird before, but I like it.

Did you mean peasant?


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Never been called a game bird before, but I like it.

Did you mean peasant?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's the joke.

I forget you aren't an FB'er.

In the FB Ford SuperDuty & F150 groups it's a long running gag.

Some Limited & Plati snobs called a guy with an XL or XLT a peasant.

X owner didn't know what a peasant was so he rolled with PHEASANT auto-correct.

It has forever stuck and has dual meaning. Elitist describe lessers as pheasants....and lessers now use that as a badge of pride for those of us that knows what's it's like to have grease under their nails.

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[larry_arizona]

That's the joke.

I forget you aren't an FB'er.

In the FB Ford SuperDuty & F150 groups it's a long running gag.

Some Limited & Plati snobs called a guy with an XL or XLT a peasant.

X owner didn't know what a peasant was so he rolled with PHEASANT auto-correct.

It has forever stuck and has dual meaning. Elitist describe lessers as pheasants....and lessers now use that as a badge of pride for those of us that knows what's it's like to have grease under their nails.

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Love it!!!! 1000% anti FB. Bane of society.

But that collage of Ford owners is very accurate.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Love it!!!! 1000% anti FB. Bane of society.

But that collage of Ford owners is very accurate.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes, FB truly sucks but it's fun to occasionally start a flame war and troll when on a boring conference call.

The Plati & King Ranch owners are pretty spot on.

I have a Lariat Ultimate so I'm #TeamPheasant, my depiction is on point but swap the dress shoes for a pair of full quill ostrich boots. [emoji16]



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[2in2out]

Let us know how those new lay-flat seats work.

....you know, for sleeping and stuff [emoji23]


Scenario:
kids are asleep...sneak outside w/ mrs, actuate seats flat, star gaze through panorama roof & hot box the truck till smoke obscures the roof [emoji16]

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Sounds heavenly, except I don’t need to wait for the kids to go to sleep.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Sounds heavenly, except I don’t need to wait for the kids to go to sleep.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNice!

We have a 1 yr old and a 3 yr old and the 3 yr old is WAY too capable for mischief.

Chief sessions are more enjoyable when no one is bugging us for the 35th snack of the day, or if we don't have to ascertain if it's a dirty diaper or just some truly dank flower.

[emoji23]

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[rdlangston13]

I thought the dude in office attire kicked back with his feet up was supposed to be the Limited dude. I'm rolling a well equipped Lariat so I feel this is also pretty accurate except trade the construction site for a drilling site lol.

Speaking of tow vehicles however I did score an AMAZING deal on some Toyo ATIIIs in 295/60R20.

[larry_arizona]

I thought the dude in office attire kicked back with his feet up was supposed to be the Limited dude. I'm rolling a well equipped Lariat so I feel this is also pretty accurate except trade the construction site for a drilling site lol.

Speaking of tow vehicles however I did score an AMAZING deal on some Toyo ATIIIs in 295/60R20.

I am putting the toyo AT3’s on my 21.


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[larry_arizona]

Picked up a 2021 F150 max tow 3.5eco 400hp/510tq the other day.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/d9151f46e6745138aca60824e8b1cf9e.jpg
The tech in this truck is crazy.

SA squats rear end 1.25” and raises front 0.5”

Pro trailer assist now has you mount a sensor and harness on trailer instead of a checkerboard decal that uses the back up camera.

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The wire harness plugs into truck here (lower)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/6241c6d10d803107c5a737ccde203cdc.jpg
I don’t know if I can deprogram my backing skills and use pro trailer assist......but dammit my son and wife better step up and use PTA, lol.
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360 camera is sick.

It will take me days to get through all the tech on this truck.


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[larry_arizona]

Stock all terrain tires are embarrassing despite being 33’s https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/0c6765dd24fcb744bb1eeaa6497d2c20.jpg
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[Isaguel]

Nice truck. So now, do you have to get a different sensor for each trailer you own.? With the checkered sticker you get of bunch of stickers to use on diff trailers. Pretty cheap compared to a sensor, or is the sensor magnetic and can be swapped between trailers.?
Nice interior, makes my truck look dated. Congrats.

[larry_arizona]

You get one sensor, harness and plug holder, but you also get several checkerboard decals if you want to add other trailers.

Sounds like the sensor is “better” but decals still work if you have multiple trailers.

This interior is a significant upgrade to my 18 and 19 1Fiddys. Easter egg details are cool.

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Not as obvious, but this carbon graphic is a Detroit city map, born and raised in the motor city and this is cool to me. Detroit pride.


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[TXSurf4]

Awesome Truck!!! Congrats!!

[RC_Hinojosa]

You get one sensor, harness and plug holder, but you also get several checkerboard decals if you want to add other trailers.

Sounds like the sensor is “better” but decals still work if you have multiple trailers.

This interior is a significant upgrade to my 18 and 19 1Fiddys. Easter egg details are cool.

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Not as obvious, but this carbon graphic is a Detroit city map, born and raised in the motor city and this is cool to me. Detroit pride.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBeautiful!! Congrats, those tires will completely change that trucks attitude.

I'm disappointed the '22 SuperDuty is only getting a larger screen....the '23 will get the full F150 interior.

I'm curious if a year's worth of parts shortages pushed the full SD refresh.

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[larry_arizona]

Working in automotive, I have not heard of any current launch delays due to pandemic.

MY 23 was likely normal plan. I considered a 21 or 22 tremor f250 7.3 build and buy.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

Working in automotive, I have not heard of any current launch delays due to pandemic.

MY 23 was likely normal plan. I considered a 21 or 22 tremor f250 7.3 build and buy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk6 years seems awfully long before a interior refresh.

Aside from the larger screen and wireless Qi charger, there is no difference between the interior of my '17 and a '22.

In the fall of '22 I might have to choose between a '23 SD or a '23 Raptor R [emoji12]

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[Holdmybeer]

6 years seems awfully long before a interior refresh.

Aside from the larger screen and wireless Qi charger, there is no difference between the interior of my '17 and a '22.

In the fall of '22 I might have to choose between a '23 SD or a '23 Raptor R [emoji12]

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$100K truck to go with the $100k boat......;-)

Might have to upgrade from a MOJO to an SL550 if you get the Raptor R so the boat and truck have the same engine......:twisted:

[larry_arizona]

$100K truck to go with the $100k boat......;-)

Might have to upgrade from a MOJO to an SL550 if you get the Raptor R so the boat and truck have the same engine......:twisted:

Raptor R will have the 5.2L supercharged predator engine somewhere around 760hp/625 tq.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

$100K truck to go with the $100k boat......;-)

Might have to upgrade from a MOJO to an SL550 if you get the Raptor R so the boat and truck have the same engine......:twisted:

I dunno....I heard the Raptor R was gonna be running a slightly detuned version of the Shelby GT500 motor - a 5.2L Supercharged Cross Plane Crank V8





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[Holdmybeer]

I dunno....I heard the Raptor R was gonna be running a slightly detuned version of the Shelby GT500 motor - a 5.2L Supercharged Cross Plane Crank V8





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I had to Google it after reading this and Car and Driver has spy video so you can hear it. Certainly sounds of mustang blood. I have always loved the v8 Raptors.
I just hope they do give it some towing ability. I have seen several Raptors trying to tow, and with the Fox suspension that truck is made to run 100mph across sand and dirt not pull. I wonder if they will do something similar to GM's magnetic ride control to stiffen the rear while pulling the camper to the dunes, then back to sport mode to go jump said dunes.

[RC_Hinojosa]

I had to Google it after reading this and Car and Driver has spy video so you can hear it. Certainly sounds of mustang blood. I have always loved the v8 Raptors.
I just hope they do give it some towing ability. I have seen several Raptors trying to tow, and with the Fox suspension that truck is made to run 100mph across sand and dirt not pull. I wonder if they will do something similar to GM's magnetic ride control to stiffen the rear while pulling the camper to the dunes, then back to sport mode to go jump said dunes.

Yeah, not really a tow pig but gobs of suspension travel. There will be new dampers from Fox but I'm not sure they are of the magnetorheological type.

Also, depending on if you choose 37"s or 35"s....the shock diameter is larger, as is the frame to accomodate a 37" spare.

Kinda interesting, Ford had to modify the assembly line for the Raptors on 37s to come through.



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[sandm]

I wonder if they will do something similar to GM's magnetic ride control to stiffen the rear while pulling the camper to the dunes, then back to sport mode to go jump said dunes.

been doing some research into magride as we look at sports cars. ford already has a license to the technology and is using it although chevy keeps the newest/latest tech for their cars/suv's. it won't do much for towing from what I have read. some of the guys towing regularly are deleting magride to add air ride as some feedback that aftermarket air ride messes with the sensors for magride. chevy offers both on some higher end models as magride won't stop the squat hooking up a heavy trailer.

[TXSurf4]

6 years seems awfully long before a interior refresh.

Aside from the larger screen and wireless Qi charger, there is no difference between the interior of my '17 and a '22.

In the fall of '22 I might have to choose between a '23 SD or a '23 Raptor R [emoji12]

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The interior didn't change much from '11 to '16 either. I am pretty sure MY '23 was the original plan for the refresh.

That is a tough decision to make....I have been wrestling with the same thought as to go 150 or 250 in 2022-2023. Having had both, each has it's advantages as it has been debated for pages on here and both are solid trucks.

[larry_arizona]

The 21 f150 interior is really good and worth waiting for.

Caught up and possibly surpassed the Ram interior.

Ford tech though is off the charts.
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[RC_Hinojosa]

The interior didn't change much from '11 to '16 either. I am pretty sure MY '23 was the original plan for the refresh.

That is a tough decision to make....I have been wrestling with the same thought as to go 150 or 250 in 2022-2023. Having had both, each has it's advantages as it has been debated for pages on here and both are solid trucks.That may have very well been the plan for the refresh. When I was in the Ford research study last December and I sat in an SD with the new F150 interior I guess I convinced myself I wasn't sitting in a release two years away.

I was bummed for sure when the '22 pics went out. I LOVE my truck....but I want Larry's interior [emoji57]




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[TXSurf4]

That may have very well been the plan for the refresh. When I was in the Ford research study last December and I sat in an SD with the new F150 interior I guess I convinced myself I wasn't sitting in a release two years away.

I was bummed for sure when the '22 pics went out. I LOVE my truck....but I want Larry's interior [emoji57]




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Ya the '21 F-150 is a sweet truck!!!! The interior is awesome and the tech is next level. Hopefully a lot of that is carried into the '23 SuperDuty.

[Surf Wagon]

Need a new thread. I love my Ford truck lol

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[larry_arizona]

Just tried pro trailer back assist, very cool but it completely fights my natural backing skill set.

It’s accurate, easy, but odd and slow, I can back it twice as fast with a fraction of the steering input.

You need a lot of side to side truck clearance using PTBA, the front end of the truck wags like a dogs tail.

Found another few crazy features, when in trailer tow mode, the truck automatically applies park brake whenever you stop, I imagine it helps prevent unwanted rolling at stop light, stop and go traffic and on the boat ramp.

Also, if truck is in gear and you are stopped and take off your seatbelt, as soon as you open door, it moves the shifter lever to park.


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[TXSurf4]

Just tried pro trailer back assist, very cool but it completely fights my natural backing skill set.

It’s accurate, easy, but odd and slow, I can back it twice as fast with a fraction of the steering input.

You need a lot of side to side truck clearance using PTBA, the front end of the truck wags like a dogs tail.

Found another few crazy features, when in trailer tow mode, the truck automatically applies park brake whenever you stop, I imagine it helps prevent unwanted rolling at stop light, stop and go traffic and on the boat ramp.

Also, if truck is in gear and you are stopped and take off your seatbelt, as soon as you open door, it moves the shifter lever to park.


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That is all really interesting. The new on-board scale/smart hitch is going to be a sweet addition this summer!

[larry_arizona]

Yes that built in scale for payload is great, I think that weight indicator in the taillights is cool. I think it runs $695.

Just curious if you have the scale and you go over, does your excuse of plausible deniability go away? lol

Or does it block you somehow.


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[rdlangston13]

Stock all terrain tires are embarrassing despite being 33’s https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/0c6765dd24fcb744bb1eeaa6497d2c20.jpg
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What did you pay for the AT3s and what size? I ordered them in 295/60R20 just a few weeks ago for my truck and I texted my tire guy today and he said it was good I ordered when I did as they just went up 35%.

[larry_arizona]

What did you pay for the AT3s and what size? I ordered them in 295/60R20 just a few weeks ago for my truck and I texted my tire guy today and he said it was good I ordered when I did as they just went up 35%.

4 275/60/20 Mounted/Balanced/road hazard/tax $1200.42 out the door. Cheaper than tire rack.


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[rdlangston13]

4 275/60/20 Mounted/Balanced/road hazard/tax $1200.42 out the door. Cheaper than tire rack.


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That’s a smoking deal. Where was that at? And I’m glad Ford is going with 33s on the new F150s. Much better than 32s

Ready to get home and put these on my 18 F150
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[larry_arizona]

That’s a smoking deal. Where was that at? And I’m glad Ford is going with 33s on the new F150s. Much better than 32s

Ready to get home and put these on my 18 F150
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Local Discount tire

Those AT3’s are meaty[emoji106]


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[rdlangston13]

Local Discount tire


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Man discount was wanting 398 a tire for mine without install, road hazard or tax. I went somewhere else but you still got a smoking deal.


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[larry_arizona]

Man discount was wanting 398 a tire for mine without install, road hazard or tax. I went somewhere else but you still got a smoking deal.


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I just noticed yours are E ply LT variants. Those are significantly more than P metric variants I am getting.
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[rdlangston13]

I just noticed yours are E ply LT variants. Those are significantly more than P metric variants I am getting.
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Yeah it looks like according to discount.com its about $121 a tire difference. Mine were 1407 installed after taxes but no hazard insurance on them which i still feel like is a hell of a deal.

[Holdmybeer]

Yeah it looks like according to discount.com its about $121 a tire difference. Mine were 1407 installed after taxes but no hazard insurance on them which i still feel like is a hell of a deal.

Making me feel bad....I was mad at $1716 for my Toyo R/T LT255/80r17 E 3yrs ago, but for what you are paying for the AT3's I cannot be mad. Also that price is for 6 tires OTD not 4 like you guys.

If those are the new going rates, buying tires next time is going to suck.

[rdlangston13]

Making me feel bad....I was mad at $1716 for my Toyo R/T LT255/80r17 E 3yrs ago, but for what you are paying for the AT3's I cannot be mad. Also that price is for 6 tires OTD not 4 like you guys.

If those are the new going rates, buying tires next time is going to suck.

Yeah discount tire was selling my size for $398 each before install. I got mine for $325 each installed but apparently right after I ordered them the price when up to $439 a tire. Ouch. Welcome to inflation!

[TXSurf4]

Yeah discount tire was selling my size for $398 each before install. I got mine for $325 each installed but apparently right after I ordered them the price when up to $439 a tire. Ouch. Welcome to inflation!

Just FYI I am pretty sure Discount will price match.

[larry_arizona]

2021 F150 has an automatic brake hold feature. After playing with it some, this is a GREAT feature for slippery boat ramps.

Example: you back boat into water with rear tires in the water, front tires still dry, you apply the brake pedal enough to hold at a stop, as soon as you release the pedal it will maintain the line pressure for the foundation brakes, thus locking all 4 calipers, effectively a brake line lock. This is far superior than just the rear axle park brake.


Great option for 2wd owners on slick ramps.

But you have to shut it off if you use an automatic car wash (I never use them) as your brakes are locked even if you shift to neutral.


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[larry_arizona]

Edit to above: When hill hold feature is actively holding brake line pressure, if you shift to park, I think I can feel the rear electric park brake engage and the front brake line pressure release.

Argh, this may not help on slick ramp after all.

You would have to leave transmission in drive to maintain brake line pressure to all 4 calipers......talk about a leap of faith LOL.


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[larry_arizona]

Nice truck. So now, do you have to get a different sensor for each trailer you own.? With the checkered sticker you get of bunch of stickers to use on diff trailers. Pretty cheap compared to a sensor, or is the sensor magnetic and can be swapped between trailers.?
Nice interior, makes my truck look dated. Congrats.

Sure would be nice if PTBA didn’t need decals or a sensor mounted on trailer. Just sayn......hint hint.......


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[rdlangston13]

Got my AT3s put on yesterday. Way more meat on them than the stock hankooks and 34” really fills the wheel well out nicely. I reckon I’m done making changes for now.

Friday we hook the boat up and see how level she remains with the airbags and everything.

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[larry_arizona]

Great stance and the AT3’s ride nice, no noise and the look is a big improvement!!!


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[TXSurf4]

Looks Great!! Congrats! Should be awesome to haul with the airbags.

[Prospersigman]

New tow rig!

I’ve always been a Ford guy when it came to trucks. My last 6 trucks were all Fords, with the last 3 being F250s with the Powerstroke.

I drive a buddies AT4 2500 and loved the transmission and the tow cameras and technology, HUD, etc. So I flipped over to a GMC Denali 2500 loaded up with every option including 5th prep and Kicker tailgate speakers.

Cognito leveling kit, black aftermarket Anthom wheels and 35” tires coming.

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[larry_arizona]

New tow rig!

I’ve always been a Ford guy when it came to trucks. My last 6 trucks were all Fords, with the last 3 being F250s with the Powerstroke.

I drive a buddies AT4 2500 and loved the transmission and the tow cameras and technology, HUD, etc. So I flipped over to a GMC Denali 2500 loaded up with every option including 5th prep and Kicker tailgate speakers.

Cognito leveling kit, black aftermarket Anthom wheels and 35” tires coming.

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Love it, TOW beast.


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[RC_Hinojosa]

I'm a Ford guy and I will admit the new Denalis are gorgeous....I just wished the tow mirrors didn't look like a broken dog leg set unproperly [emoji12]

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[Prospersigman]

I know Larry doesn't believe you can daily commute in a 2500 and the ride sucks, but this thing drives like a Cadillac and I get 16.3 mpg in town and its only got 200 miles on it.

[larry_arizona]

I know Larry doesn't believe you can daily commute in a 2500 and the ride sucks, but this thing drives like a Cadillac and I get 16.3 mpg in town and its only got 200 miles on it.

You absolutely can, I just would not want to personally.

16.3 is pretty good out of a 1000 ft Lb diesel.


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[jcarter20]

I know Larry doesn't believe you can daily commute in a 2500 and the ride sucks, but this thing drives like a Cadillac and I get 16.3 mpg in town and its only got 200 miles on it.

Nice truck! My Dmax got 20mpg on the highway with the cruise set at 80 and no load. Love, love, love my new truck. Just made the first long haul with it last week and it was a beast. It got just over 9 mpg towing, but I had the cruise set at 80 then also….I am sure that didn’t help. Never again will I own a gaser.


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[sandm]

Nice truck! It got just over 9 mpg towing, but I had the cruise set at 80 then also….I am sure that didn’t help. Never again will I own a gaser.

I always thought the reason to own a diesel was gas mileage towing(aside from the obvious tow ratings). granted not apples to apples but my 5.3 silverado 4x4 averaged 10mpg's towing the tige from green bay to slc and I never let the speed drop below 70, 80 most of the trip. got 13.4 2 months ago from orange county to vegas towing a uhaul car hauler with our camaro on it and I averaged between 80 and 85 all the way here.

not gonna lie tho. if I was in the market for a new whip, the ecodiesel in the dodge 1500 would be on the radar.

[larry_arizona]

F150 EB3.5 max tow gets 21.7mpg city driving, haven’t done any sustained highway with it yet, but towed the SA to Tennessee and back and averaged 9.7mpg going and 10.7 coming back, 75-80 on the highways.

I thought diesels were high teens towing.


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[jcarter20]

I personally could care less amount fuel mileage. Power is way more important to me. I can’t really speak to the new ecoboost motors and the larger gas motors that GM and Ford have now. What I can tell you is I had a 1/2 ton Chevy with the 5.3 and then a 3/4 ton GMC with the 6.0. Both were total dogs. I was very disappointed in the 6.0, and I could not wait to get rid of that truck. No power, and got 6 mpg towing the boat. I assume the diesel will get better mileage after it breaks in a little. It only has 6,000 miles on it. I am sure others are getting better mileage that don’t have a lead foot either. I was following my buddy pulling a G23 with a 2019 F350 dually and he got 13 mpg.


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[MJHSupra]

Teens on my Ford 6.0 pulling the boat. But it stops great and still has lots of power pulling out of steep ramps.

Since I only put 2-4k per year on it, this truck will last longer than me.

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[bergermaister]

Teens on my Ford 6.0 pulling the boat. But it stops great and still has lots of power pulling out of steep ramps.

Since I only put 2-4k per year on it, this truck will last longer than me.

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Still have a soft spot for the old Super Duty look and that is a sexy Excursion all blacked out. RIP my old 2005 F350...

Actually thought about finding something like this as a family wagon, boat/trailer hauler, park it until you need it. Then get a CTS-V or something fun for the daily. But Momma said nope. Apparently we are already approaching used car lot status when the kids are home...

[jnr4817]

Larry, have you done anything to your f150 to accommodate the squaring ? I have a 19 F150 5.0 with max tow package. I still get some squatting in the back. Was thinking about air bags or timbren bump stops. The 5.0 has no issue pulling the bait , just wanting to be as safe as I can with the f150.


F150 EB3.5 max tow gets 21.7mpg city driving, haven’t done any sustained highway with it yet, but towed the SA to Tennessee and back and averaged 9.7mpg going and 10.7 coming back, 75-80 on the highways.

I thought diesels were high teens towing.


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[larry_arizona]

Larry, have you done anything to your f150 to accommodate the squaring ? I have a 19 F150 5.0 with max tow package. I still get some squatting in the back. Was thinking about air bags or timbren bump stops. The 5.0 has no issue pulling the bait , just wanting to be as safe as I can with the f150.

The 21 F150 with max tow and my SA drops the back end about 1”. It’s about level with front end now.
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I have towed 1500 miles so far this season and no feeling of not being in control with braking, swaying or steering.


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[Holdmybeer]

Larry,

How did your F150 like the Norris hills?
Our Yukon XL loaded with family of 4, 2 dogs, crap for the week, boat, lead, and toys was no issue but it was certainly working. We only have the 5.3L in that thing so had to keep it in 2nd or 3rd getting from the highway to the lake house.

A couple occasions I wish I had the 6.2L or took my diesel truck (won't fit everyone in the cab)

[TXSurf4]

The 21 F150 with max tow and my SA drops the back end about 1”. It’s about level with front end now.
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I have towed 1500 miles so far this season and no feeling of not being in control with braking, swaying or steering.


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Do you have the Coyote or the EB?

[larry_arizona]

Do you have the Coyote or the EB?

EB3.5

The 3.5 with 3.55 did great in the hills in Kentucky and Tennessee.

The development we stayed in had some insane hills. I missed the driveway of the Airbnb we rented and had to turn around and go up a 16% (went back after the fact and measured with truck inclinometer)grade winding subdivision street. Honestly who on earth would even make a 16% grade road ever. The steepest grade I have ever witnessed.

Fully loaded bed,3 adults and a dog, plus SA with full tank and 600# lead. I had the accelerator matted and maybe got 10 mph coming up that 16% grade.

If I did that hill again, manual shift to 1 and make sure the turbos spooled.

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[Holdmybeer]

Sounds like we stayed at the same development....hahahaha.
Luckily found a gravel maintenance road after launching the boat that made it so we didn't have to pull the grade. So glad transom straps were the first upgrade when I bought the boat.

[larry_arizona]

It was called rock harbor. It was between cedar grove and straight creek marinas.


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[Holdmybeer]

I was in Lone Mountain. Between Straight Creek and Jimmy's but closer to Jimmy's.
We spent most of our time past the Railroad bridge just right of Lone Mountain dock.....Glass for miles.

[TXSurf4]

EB3.5

The 3.5 with 3.55 did great in the hills in Kentucky and Tennessee.

The development we stayed in had some insane hills. I missed the driveway of the Airbnb we rented and had to turn around and go up a 16% (went back after the fact and measured with truck inclinometer)grade winding subdivision street. Honestly who on earth would even make a 16% grade road ever. The steepest grade I have ever witnessed.

Fully loaded bed,3 adults and a dog, plus SA with full tank and 600# lead. I had the accelerator matted and maybe got 10 mph coming up that 16% grade.

If I did that hill again, manual shift to 1 and make sure the turbos spooled.

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Good to know!

[2in2out]

Larry, have you done anything to your f150 to accommodate the squaring ? I have a 19 F150 5.0 with max tow package. I still get some squatting in the back. Was thinking about air bags or timbren bump stops. The 5.0 has no issue pulling the bait , just wanting to be as safe as I can with the f150.

The Timbrens won’t do anything for squatting other than make rough terrain more tolerable. I put them on my Tundra, and I haven’t bottomed out yet, but they did nothing for ride height.


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[larry_arizona]

Air bags will make your truck look level but it doesn’t add the weight back to the front axle.

Only a weight distributing hitch will add weight back to front axle and add weight to the trailer axels and reduce weight from rear axle.


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[Holdmybeer]

Our Yukon has air shocks coupled with the max tow package springs. It helps a lot to keep everything level and load secure. But as far as weight distribution, there is none. We still had a pin weight of ~600 plus gear overtop the rear axle. Tow rating is ~8,000lbs and hitch is rated for 1K pin and 10K pull.

I bought a Curt Rebellion cushioned hitch for the trip and future towing needs I can swap between wife's rig and my truck. It worked great over bumps/dividers in the highway, it also reduced banging when going up and down the mountain roads. It is rated at 10K with 2" and 15K with 2-5/16". I got the turnover style so I have both for each trailer setup.

[MJHSupra]

It was called rock harbor. It was between cedar grove and straight creek marinas.


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One year we rented a house close to the parking lot and dock in that sub division. Lower section.

Everyday someone would drop-off and pick-up everyone at the dock. Nobody wanted to walk the hills.

I still keep my permit b/c my buddy keeps his Supra there. We still head up 1-2x/month for day trips.

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[MJHSupra]

I was in Lone Mountain. Between Straight Creek and Jimmy's but closer to Jimmy's.
We spent most of our time past the Railroad bridge just right of Lone Mountain dock.....Glass for miles.

It’s a big venture just driving in that sub division. My friends just put their house on the market in there. Roads just keep going and going.

Love that side of the lake.


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[larry_arizona]

One year we rented a house close to the parking lot and dock in that sub division. Lower section.

Everyday someone would drop-off and pick-up everyone at the dock. Nobody wanted to walk the hills.

I still keep my permit b/c my buddy keeps his Supra there. We still head up 1-2x/month for day trips.

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The views are amazing, the dock set up is really nice, property is reasonably priced.

Yeah, the climb up from dock to parking lot does suck.


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[larry_arizona]

One year we rented a house close to the parking lot and dock in that sub division. Lower section.

Everyday someone would drop-off and pick-up everyone at the dock. Nobody wanted to walk the hills.

I still keep my permit b/c my buddy keeps his Supra there. We still head up 1-2x/month for day trips.

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Next time you are in Rock Harbor subdivision, drive down “feldspar” and experience a 16% grade…..lol

Makes the road down to the marina look like childs play.


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[jcarter20]

Ha ha. Norris can be an adventure for sure. I always try to map out my route and ask as many questions as I can regarding to route to the boat ramp and the house. I have found myself in precarious situations more than once down there. Once I had my ‘04 Chevy 5.3 floored in 1st gear and didn’t think I was going to make it up a hill to the house. Then the next day I found a much easier route around that road. [emoji30]. Roads can suck, but the lake is great. Back in the 90’s and early 2000’s it was way less crowded though. The north side is garbage on the weekend for any water sports after 10am.

[Holdmybeer]

It’s a big venture just driving in that sub division. My friends just put their house on the market in there. Roads just keep going and going.

Love that side of the lake.


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I have friends that just made their vacation home their permanent home in Lone Mountain Shores. We were seriously thinking about investing there also. Having them know the area for the last 20yrs, they are looking to help us see what is available. The south side of Norris is so calm compared to the Powell area.

[Holdmybeer]

Next time you are in Rock Harbor subdivision, drive down “feldspar” and experience a 16% grade…..lol

Makes the road down to the marina look like childs play.


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If you ever get into Lone Mountain.....try Whistle Valley to Timber Creek to Chimney Rock. Not only are you pulling 10-12% all the time, you have hairpin turns and then you have to get back down.....lol

Would go back right now though...let's not fool ourselves :) The view if you make the climb (boatless), is priceless!

[Prospersigman]

Got my new shoes put on the other day. Blacked out the emblems on the grill and tailgate and tinted the yellow side markers.
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[larry_arizona]

Got my new shoes put on the other day. Blacked out the emblems on the grill and tailgate and tinted the yellow side markers.
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The new baloney makes a huge difference on your truck, killer set up


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[Prospersigman]

Thanks Larry! That new SL in the demo video sure would look sweet behind it but I'm out at the prices that are going on in this boat market.

[Mjhknox]

Got my new shoes put on the other day. Blacked out the emblems on the grill and tailgate and tinted the yellow side markers.

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Pretty sweet!!

[Josh828]

Well after thinking my 1500 was plenty it’s dead.
2018 gmc Denali 1500 6.2l V8 8 speed.
2 injectors failing at 38k miles
Not covered under my bumper to bumper warranty
The parts are unavailable and they couldn’t put an exact time frame on how long it would take to get them until they blew the truck apart

Already sold the truck as is though thank gosh for this crazy market

[larry_arizona]

Well after thinking my 1500 was plenty it’s dead.
2018 gmc Denali 1500 6.2l V8 8 speed.
2 injectors failing at 38k miles
Not covered under my bumper to bumper warranty
The parts are unavailable and they couldn’t put an exact time frame on how long it would take to get them until they blew the truck apart

Already sold the truck as is though thank gosh for this crazy market

Absolutely should be covered by powertrain warranty. Factory injectors are like $60 each and available
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[rdlangston13]

Well after thinking my 1500 was plenty it’s dead.
2018 gmc Denali 1500 6.2l V8 8 speed.
2 injectors failing at 38k miles
Not covered under my bumper to bumper warranty
The parts are unavailable and they couldn’t put an exact time frame on how long it would take to get them until they blew the truck apart

Already sold the truck as is though thank gosh for this crazy market

Yeah how the hell can they deny warranty for bad injectors after only 38k miles??? Did they give you an explanation?


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[Josh828]

Pretty much everything on the truck is covered. Except the injectors. Also I read up on it apparently this is pretty common with that truck. The whole thing put a bad taste in my mouth so I think I’m going to go Ford or ram. Probably Ford. Also diesel this round

Also quoted the job between $800-2500

[sandm]

Pretty much everything on the truck is covered. Except the injectors. Also I read up on it apparently this is pretty common with that truck. The whole thing put a bad taste in my mouth so I think I’m going to go Ford or ram. Probably Ford. Also diesel this round

Also quoted the job between $800-2500

sure it's the same as the 6.2 in my 'maro. injectors fall under the emissions warranty of 3/50k-lots of guys that have had luck getting them swapped out for that piece of the warranty but sometimes with some dealers it takes some "pushing".
assume with an '18 that your inservice date is prior to the issue coming up?

[Holdmybeer]

I have changed injectors on many of vette's and trucks. It takes 1-2 hrs to do all of them, pressure test/leak test, and back to driving. Parts can be bought aftermarket at better quality and while you are there throw a turner to it and be able to tow better.

I hope you didn't lose you a$$ on selling it. It was clearly a $300 fix at most from any good shop (non-dealer).

Summit racing has them in stock also.

[larry_arizona]

I have changed injectors on many of vette's and trucks. It takes 1-2 hrs to do all of them, pressure test/leak test, and back to driving. Parts can be bought aftermarket at better quality and while you are there throw a turner to it and be able to tow better.

I hope you didn't lose you a$$ on selling it. It was clearly a $300 fix at most from any good shop (non-dealer).

Summit racing has them in stock also.

Slightly more involved on a direct injection 6.2, but very doable.


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[Holdmybeer]

No way it is harder than my Duramax! Just saying....

And 1/8 the cost!

[Josh828]

I have changed injectors on many of vette's and trucks. It takes 1-2 hrs to do all of them, pressure test/leak test, and back to driving. Parts can be bought aftermarket at better quality and while you are there throw a turner to it and be able to tow better.

I hope you didn't lose you a$$ on selling it. It was clearly a $300 fix at most from any good shop (non-dealer).

Summit racing has them in stock also.

I came out smiling, actually didn't really lose any money at all

It wasn't so much the cost of the repair but the fact they wouldn't stand behind their product and then are the new injectors just going to go out in another 40k miles?


Also I've always been a diesel guy since my last 2005 duramax however haven't been able to justify it so letting it go wasn't hard for me. I live at about 4000' and the lake I go to is 40mins and 1200' so the mountain down is pretty steep. Since I didn't get electric breaks I could use some breaking help anyways.

Im really leaning towards a 2022 F250 platinum right now, used prices are crazy so at least if you order a truck you won't have to overpay?

[Holdmybeer]

I came out smiling, actually didn't really lose any money at all

It wasn't so much the cost of the repair but the fact they wouldn't stand behind their product and then are the new injectors just going to go out in another 40k miles?


Also I've always been a diesel guy since my last 2005 duramax however haven't been able to justify it so letting it go wasn't hard for me. I live at about 4000' and the lake I go to is 40mins and 1200' so the mountain down is pretty steep. Since I didn't get electric breaks I could use some breaking help anyways.

Im really leaning towards a 2022 F250 platinum right now, used prices are crazy so at least if you order a truck you won't have to overpay?

I'm glad the market was kind to you and you made out good. As far as the anger from not standing by their product, I get it 100%.
If you go Diesel, drive them all. I have been shopping new trucks the last month and they all have good and bad things about them. I haul some heavy equipment in my free time, but nothing that would require a dually with the new load ratings and power output. So getting rid of 2 tires for me is a big maintenance win.

Ford is a good choice and the 10 speed in it and the GM trucks are awesome. I still don't like the super duty interior though. Ram has the interior game, but you have to by the 3500 to get the Aisin trans which ups the price quickly. Good luck shopping. But my LMM Duramax has had zero issues compared to my previous LLY. Hard the knock the GM Duramax powerplant, but they already lost you so....

[RC_Hinojosa]

I came out smiling, actually didn't really lose any money at all

It wasn't so much the cost of the repair but the fact they wouldn't stand behind their product and then are the new injectors just going to go out in another 40k miles?


Also I've always been a diesel guy since my last 2005 duramax however haven't been able to justify it so letting it go wasn't hard for me. I live at about 4000' and the lake I go to is 40mins and 1200' so the mountain down is pretty steep. Since I didn't get electric breaks I could use some breaking help anyways.

Im really leaning towards a 2022 F250 platinum right now, used prices are crazy so at least if you order a truck you won't have to overpay?I love my '17 250 and it's been my dd since Day 1. PSD is a hoss.

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[Prospersigman]

I've had them both and the new Duramax is winning!!

You should go drive one and then hook your boat up to it and you'll see what I'm talking about.


I love my '17 250 and it's been my dd since Day 1. PSD is a hoss.

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[larry_arizona]

I believe the 2022 superduty got an interior refresh getting a lot the new F150 features, big screen etc.

Ram and Ford interior crushes the GM interior and GM is rapidly redoing the interior already, looks like 2023 for GM to catch up


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[Josh828]

Ive always been a "GM guy" however not brand loyal. My brother in law does have a 2020 chevy high country 2500HD I can tug the boat around in some time, we have a 2021 F550 and its been amazing the short time we have had it probably shouldn't compare 250 to a 550 though haha
No experience with the cummins though, did sit in one and it was nice however I wouldn't call it "better"

The short time I've been shopping the way I see it

Ford- 475hp-1000lbtq- 10 speed. EVERY OPTION (in a platinum) $79K

GMC/Chevy- 445hp-910lbtq- 10 speed (Fords right?) No adaptive cruise control or massaging seats. And I Love adaptive cruise. Denali price is like $83K

Ram- 410hp- 1000lbtq- 6 speed (ancient tech) No massaging seats. I have no idea about the trim levels but the limited is also right at $80K

Correct me if im wrong or missing the big picture on anything I haven't shopped big trucks in a long time

[Holdmybeer]

Ive always been a "GM guy" however not brand loyal. My brother in law does have a 2020 chevy high country 2500HD I can tug the boat around in some time, we have a 2021 F550 and its been amazing the short time we have had it probably shouldn't compare 250 to a 550 though haha
No experience with the cummins though, did sit in one and it was nice however I wouldn't call it "better"

The short time I've been shopping the way I see it

Ford- 475hp-1000lbtq- 10 speed. EVERY OPTION (in a platinum) $79K

GMC/Chevy- 445hp-910lbtq- 10 speed (Fords right?) No adaptive cruise control or massaging seats. And I Love adaptive cruise. Denali price is like $83K

Ram- 410hp- 1000lbtq- 6 speed (ancient tech) No massaging seats. I have no idea about the trim levels but the limited is also right at $80K

Correct me if im wrong or missing the big picture on anything I haven't shopped big trucks in a long time

You are right there!.
The 6-sp from Dodge is not really old tech but it could use a few more gears to make it as smooth as the 10sp Allison (GM) or Ford. The Aisin is bulletproof and holds up in pulling competitions in stock form.
I have been a "GM Guy" myself for years by default. It just worked out they way when shopping and looking for deals. I like the Fords, but around me you won't get a Platinum for that price. The dealers have limited supplies and are adding $5k or more in fees. $79K is a Lariat with FX4 package.

What I like about the Ford and GM is that to get the "heavy duty" options and towing you can still be in a 3/4-ton truck and not a 1-ton but the Ram factory Air-ride is a nice touch.

[larry_arizona]

The GM heavy duty 10 speed is not related to the light duty 10 speed that Ford shares with GM.

The HD 10 speed is branded as an Allison, but it’s not made by Allison, it is made in house at GM with design coming from Allison.

I would avoid the Ram air suspension like the plague. Extremely problematic.


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[Holdmybeer]

The GM heavy duty 10 speed is not related to the light duty 10 speed that Ford shares with GM.

The HD 10 speed is branded as an Allison, but it’s not made by Allison, it is made in house at GM with design coming from Allison.

I would avoid the Ram air suspension like the plague. Extremely problematic.


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Good to know about the air-ride.
I have test driven them and the air suspension make the HD truck ride so much better. Just something nice to have over bulky leaf springs.
But there is alway a Kelderman upgrade.....spending other people's money is fun

[Josh828]

Good note on the air suspension if I even went ram I thought that would be nice.
Also with the ram you can't get the Aisin until you step up into a 3500 correct?

The GM still has the same 8" screen practically my 18 Denali had where as the 2022 ford gets a new 12" screen and the ram has that practically Tesla screen option so

I have a very good relation with my ford dealership thankfully so no absurd fees, hopefully there wil also be some incentives by the time the truck does arrive
Can also probably get a family discount from a gm so that could be several thousand off.

[RC_Hinojosa]

Good to know about the air-ride.
I have test driven them and the air suspension make the HD truck ride so much better. Just something nice to have over bulky leaf springs.
But there is alway a Kelderman upgrade.....spending other people's money is fun

Kelderman air suspension....NOW we're talking about spending other people's money, lol.

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[Holdmybeer]

Correct, Ram 3500 to get the Aisin. Sounds like skip the air-ride and go aftermarket for long term. I have daily driven a 3500 dually for several years, so anything softer than that would be an upgrade for me.

If you have favors you can pull try them all out and see what you like best. Local Ford dealer to me even has a trailer with 8K on it so you can simulate pulling on your test drive. Something you might want to ask about.

[rhouse181]

Anyone have a Dodge Durango SRT? Contemplating trading in my Tahoe...

8700 tow capacity on a 6 person people mover that runs 0-60 in 4.6 sec. Figure the clock is ticking on large displacement V8 composted dinosaur burners, so might as well enjoy while it lasts...