Liquid Force Foil Fish complete setup w/ cover, 36", 24" & 15" masts

[trayson]

Complete Wakefoil or KiteFoil package. You can kite foil or wake foil behind any boat or waverunner. It's pretty amazing to be able to glide above the surface of the water. All items are in great condition.

$1,000 + shipping

Includes all of the following:
- Foil Fish Board 5'3" with 3 detachable fins (makes a great beginner wakesurf board!) MSRP = $450
- Foil Fish 36" Mast
- Foil Fish Fuselage (2 of them, you get a spare!)
- Foil Fish Front Wing
- Foil Fish Rear Wing
- Stainless Steel Mounting Hardware
- Removable foot straps
- Travel case for mast/wings/etc
MSRP for mast, wings, fuselage, hardware and case = $1,150

- Padded Cover for Front and Rear wings MSRP = $60

- Includes adapter plates to allow Slingshot masts to connect to Foil Fish board ($85)
- Includes Slingshot 15" and 24" masts (makes learning a TON easier) MSRP = $140

So there's a setup that would cost $1,885 and it's yours for a lot less!

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[trayson]

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[trayson]

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[MJHSupra]

Why are you selling?

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[trayson]

Why are you selling?

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I didn't use it as much as I thought I would. And I could use the money for other stuff. :-)

[trayson]

It's sold. Thanks

[trayson]

Why are you selling?

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Now that it's sold, I'll give a little more insight... I really struggled with this foil. The low aspect foil seemed to be all or nothing and would provide no lift or too much lift and I had a really difficult time getting in that sweet spot before it crested the surface of the water. I had other friends that were decent at foils try mine and they likewise struggled. I hadn't had the same type of struggles with the Wakefoil brand or the Slingshot brand. I liked the fact that with the liquid force I could use the board as a surf board for bigger beginner riders. When my friend with a Slingshot setup rode my liquid force setup he said it was the foil, not me. Then I tried his slingshot foil and was riding solid on the 2nd pull.

So I decided to quit trying to make the liquid force one work for me (the guys at Liquid Force said that foil was really designed for kites). I have a friend that has employee pricing at Slingshot and had him get me the 2018 model (which is awesome because they added the FCS2 fin boxes to that board so it's now able to surf). I got a sweet deal on the liquid force, so I was able to come pretty close to break even getting rid of the LF and buying the new slingshot.

[MJHSupra]

Now that it's sold, I'll give a little more insight... I really struggled with this foil. The low aspect foil seemed to be all or nothing and would provide no lift or too much lift and I had a really difficult time getting in that sweet spot before it crested the surface of the water. I had other friends that were decent at foils try mine and they likewise struggled. I hadn't had the same type of struggles with the Wakefoil brand or the Slingshot brand. I liked the fact that with the liquid force I could use the board as a surf board for bigger beginner riders. When my friend with a Slingshot setup rode my liquid force setup he said it was the foil, not me. Then I tried his slingshot foil and was riding solid on the 2nd pull.

So I decided to quit trying to make the liquid force one work for me (the guys at Liquid Force said that foil was really designed for kites). I have a friend that has employee pricing at Slingshot and had him get me the 2018 model (which is awesome because they added the FCS2 fin boxes to that board so it's now able to surf). I got a sweet deal on the liquid force, so I was able to come pretty close to break even getting rid of the LF and buying the new slingshot.

Sounds like a good swap for you. Must have been a little frustrating to have a $1K foil that is next to impossible to ride.

When you fall on those, are you face-planting or falling back?

[dusty2221]

Wow. Wonder how the buyer would feel knowing "didn't use it as much as I thought I would" actually meant it was awful to ride even by experienced foilers.


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[russellsmojo]

^^^ T putting the sale on some poor unsuspecting soul. Never knew what hit him....introductions and then T was gone $1k richer.




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[sandm]

lets hope it was to an unsuspecting mastercraft owner that has more money than the ability to read a post on a moomba forum :)

[trayson]

Wow. Wonder how the buyer would feel knowing "didn't use it as much as I thought I would" actually meant it was awful to ride even by experienced foilers.


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^^^ T putting the sale on some poor unsuspecting soul. Never knew what hit him....introductions and then T was gone $1k richer.




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I certainly didn't advertise it on ebay that way. I posted up a description of the item, what was included, and so on. I wasn't dishonest or misleading in my ebay ad. But it's not like I need to post up a whole bunch of negative dialogue.

I have another buddy of mine that was able to ride my old foil pretty well. and I'm a way better surfer than him and equal at wakeboarding. But he Put me to shame. And who knows, maybe my friend that had the slingslot didn't like the LF because he was used to the slingshot. My ego didn't like to hear that I'm the weak link and that I suck, so of course I jumped at the idea that it was "the equipment" rather than me!

Just because I was mediocre with it behind a boat, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't be successful where I failed. And the guys at liquid force said it was more designed for kite, so for all I know the person that bought it is a kiteboarder and will rock it well. It's not like LF put out a lemon. they sold lots of these and continue to do so. I'm probably the lemon!

Maybe I would have gotten it, but it got too frustrating for me to keep trying when I had other watersports to do, so I moved on to an easier board because I had the employee pricing.

It's like buying a Sportbike and realizing that I needed to cruise on a Harley.

[dakota4ce]

This exactly is why I am building a Clearwater foil for a couple hundo before I leap into the foil game!


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[trayson]

Sounds like a good swap for you. Must have been a little frustrating to have a $1K foil that is next to impossible to ride.

When you fall on those, are you face-planting or falling back?

Most of my falls happened when the foil crests the surface of the water and then slams the board down. When that happens, I usually got ejected forward while the board dug in behind me.

Sometimes I'd get off Axis riding and if go one way while the foil went the other. I luckily had no crashes where I hit the board or blades.

[muehlcj]

Most of my falls happened when the foil crests the surface of the water and then slams the board down. When that happens, I usually got ejected forward while the board dug in behind me.

Sometimes I'd get off Axis riding and if go one way while the foil went the other. I luckily had no crashes where I hit the board or blades.

Foiling is only cool if you are Kai Lenny in the open ocean. Google it.

Pro Tip: Sell foil #2 and get a another surfboard......

[dakota4ce]

Disagree. I am interested in the foil on our lake when the chop develops. Something to do! But I prefer surfing FOR SURE. And my homemade foil will be $200


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[muehlcj]

I spent a few minutes on the CW foil site. Just the 5 piece foil kit is $135. Then the expectation is you glass all the components. I would use 4oz e-glass and resin research epoxy. If you get the 2100F hardener (f for fast) you will have about 25 min working time. Greenlignt surf supply or foam ez will have what you need for small orders like this. If you’ve never worked with fiberglass be sure to wear gloves and long sleeves this stuff will make you itch, especially when you are sanding.

You could paint the wood with acrylic paint b4 glassing or use resin tint in the epoxy to add down color. Another option would be to go to boardlams.com and have some custom lams made up and glass them in.

When you are glassing and sanding be sure not to change the shape of the foil as even a subtle leading edge or trialing edge change could ruin your day.

Not sure what board you are going to bolt it to but be sure it’s reinfoced correctly. One point of interest is usually you can adjust the foil forward and backward to help learn. Do so research on positioning and be prepared to start in one spot and move as you progress.

Post some pics of the build

Let us know how many hours you end up having into building this.

[dakota4ce]

I spent a few minutes on the CW foil site. Just the 5 piece foil kit is $135. Then the expectation is you glass all the components. I would use 4oz e-glass and resin research epoxy. If you get the 2100F hardener (f for fast) you will have about 25 min working time. Greenlignt surf supply or foam ez will have what you need for small orders like this. If you’ve never worked with fiberglass be sure to wear gloves and long sleeves this stuff will make you itch, especially when you are sanding.

You could paint the wood with acrylic paint b4 glassing or use resin tint in the epoxy to add down color. Another option would be to go to boardlams.com and have some custom lams made up and glass them in.

When you are glassing and sanding be sure not to change the shape of the foil as even a subtle leading edge or trialing edge change could ruin your day.

Not sure what board you are going to bolt it to but be sure it’s reinfoced correctly. One point of interest is usually you can adjust the foil forward and backward to help learn. Do so research on positioning and be prepared to start in one spot and move as you progress.

Post some pics of the build

Let us know how many hours you end up having into building this.

Will do for sure. It’s winter here, so I need something to do. The CW proprietor has some great vids which I watched. Nothing seemed too scary.

He paints afterward, which is what I thought to do. I really don’t care how it looks to be honest. Decent is good enough for me.

I have 2 board options: a wooden Victoria debut grom or a Ronix power tail. I guess or a generic plank. Not sure what I will choose.

Thanks for the message and tips! I have my glass and resin already, even have gloves. Just have to start!


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[muehlcj]

I would definitely recommend painting first. Consider the fiberglass clear. Once you wet it out with epoxy you will be able to see right through it like it’s not there. If they don’t recommend it I would brush on a hot coat of epoxy in each component and sand down smooth. 120 to start, 150, 220 and 400ish wet sand.

RR epoxy is 2:1 resin to hardener by volume. Make sure it’s 100% mixed. Slow to med stir for 2-3 min. Don’t whip it or stir to fast as it will introduce air. It is critical that it’s 10O% mixed.

[dakota4ce]

Roger that. The guy that sells them paints them afterward, but I️ definitely consider your recommendations.

How could 6-10 coats of cloth be clear? The cloth is white at the outset. I watched his videos, it’s sorta cloudy/clear it appears.


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[muehlcj]

Roger that. The guy that sells them paints them afterward, but I️ definitely consider your recommendations.

How could 6-10 coats of cloth be clear? The cloth is white at the outset. I watched his videos, it’s sorta cloudy/clear it appears.


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Sorry to everyone about this in the classifieds. Dakota - can you start a build thread on this?

So I didn't realize that there would be so many layers of cloth. Honestly it seems a little strange. Typically if you wanted to add more strength you would change the cloth weight. Maybe reach out to him and ask if you can reduce the layers if you go to a 6oz cloth or even a 10oz Volan. Maybe he's thinking it's harder to "mold" the heavier weight glass around the curvature of the components? You aren't lapping any edges so I can't imagine it's a problem. If you reduce the layers of glass it will def. be clear and a lot less work. Solid colors will show through well. Production surfboards color is added to the foam before glassing or color is added to the epoxy while glassing not after. You can paint a board after but if you are the builder it's best to do it during the build. I would say the same applies here as well. Buy some rice paper and print some cool logos and put them on before the last layer of glass https://www.foamez.com/logo-paper-3-pack-p-300.html

I watched the four part build series and have some tips. Spread the epoxy with a plastic spreader https://www.foamez.com/flexispreader-small-p-125.html not your fingers. It will help you evenly distribute the epoxy and not end up with "wet" spots. When you cut the extra edge I would recommend doing that just after the resin isn't tacky but before it cures, while it is still flexible. It will make it 100x easier and you will end up with less sanding. Also instead of mixing fibers with your epoxy to create that paste get some “fin rope” https://www.foamez.com/fin-rope-3-fins-p-223.html . Saturate that rope in epoxy and wrap the joints. It will be soooo much cleaner in the end.