2017 Craz Surf Settings

[lidsterl]

Hi all,

New to the forum so please let me know if there's a better spot for this post. Did some reading in other posts and elsewhere and I've gotten some good tips but thought I'd ask a few questions anyway.

'17 Craz with surf edition, 900lbs each rear and 700lbs front according to dealer. Dealer set timers for ballast fill so assuming they reach true capacity. Factory settings for Auto Wake (9.0 pitch, 5.0 roll for Starboard surfing, port plate/surf tab set to 70) - (8.0 pitch, -3.0 roll, 60 starboard plate/surf tab for Surf Left).

We've played with speed and wake plate settings trying to get longer wave with bigger sweet spot. We've also tried to not use Auto Wake and just fill bags to 100 surf side, 70 non surf side and anywhere from 60-100 on front bag.

This past weekend we had more passengers than ever so we tried to use both Auto Wake and manual to get good wave. We got better as day went on. Regular surfers (off port side) seemed to have the best wave. I'm goofy foot off starboard side (as is my son and wife). I did manage to drop rope and stay in sweet spot for decent amount of time, but still found wave steep and short. I was quite close to boat to really feel the pull from the wave. Obviously we are still learning to surf so there's that as a factor. But we'd like to get the boat as dialed in as possible to shorten our learning curve.

Riding Phase 5 Diamond CL boards, mine at 57", other board is 54".

GPS app and Garmin watch both verified boat is running faster than speedo shows. At 10.5 on boat I was seeing upwards of 12 on two diff apps and Garmin watch. Changed paddle wheel offset from .5 to 0. Didn't seem to affect speedo much. Have tried surfing from 9.5 on speedo, up to 10.7. We live at 1320 feet elevation. Boat was water tested by dealer who is at 3425 feet elevation, not sure if that plays a difference.

We don't have center ballast and not sure if it's possible to upgrade and add one on the '17 Craz.

Is there a minimum preferred depth of water to get best pull?

Thoughts, tips or tricks from others with the Craz?

[mattsask]

Hi all,

New to the forum so please let me know if there's a better spot for this post. Did some reading in other posts and elsewhere and I've gotten some good tips but thought I'd ask a few questions anyway.

'17 Craz with surf edition, 900lbs each rear and 700lbs front according to dealer. Dealer set timers for ballast fill so assuming they reach true capacity. Factory settings for Auto Wake (9.0 pitch, 5.0 roll for Starboard surfing, port plate/surf tab set to 70) - (8.0 pitch, -3.0 roll, 60 starboard plate/surf tab for Surf Left).

We've played with speed and wake plate settings trying to get longer wave with bigger sweet spot. We've also tried to not use Auto Wake and just fill bags to 100 surf side, 70 non surf side and anywhere from 60-100 on front bag.

This past weekend we had more passengers than ever so we tried to use both Auto Wake and manual to get good wave. We got better as day went on. Regular surfers (off port side) seemed to have the best wave. I'm goofy foot off starboard side (as is my son and wife). I did manage to drop rope and stay in sweet spot for decent amount of time, but still found wave steep and short. I was quite close to boat to really feel the pull from the wave. Obviously we are still learning to surf so there's that as a factor. But we'd like to get the boat as dialed in as possible to shorten our learning curve.

Riding Phase 5 Diamond CL boards, mine at 57", other board is 54".

GPS app and Garmin watch both verified boat is running faster than speedo shows. At 10.5 on boat I was seeing upwards of 12 on two diff apps and Garmin watch. Changed paddle wheel offset from .5 to 0. Didn't seem to affect speedo much. Have tried surfing from 9.5 on speedo, up to 10.7. We live at 1320 feet elevation. Boat was water tested by dealer who is at 3425 feet elevation, not sure if that plays a difference.

We don't have center ballast and not sure if it's possible to upgrade and add one on the '17 Craz.

Is there a minimum preferred depth of water to get best pull?

Thoughts, tips or tricks from others with the Craz?
You will need the 500 IBS under the bow seats if you want to stretch that wave out. I have a 16 craz that is about as dialed as it gets. It being a 16, I can't help you with the autowake settings, but I can help with general weight placement. I have larger bags than you in the rear, but I do run the 500 IBS in the nose, as well as an additional 400 pounds of steel under the bow filler cushion. My wave is long and has tons of push. What are your surf tabs and wakeplate set at?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170801/a49d87cb191663a92e46ca88155df592.jpg

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[hawgtitan]

I have a 2016 Craz and it sounds like Autowake makes the learning curve way more complicated. I have 1100's in rear and 700 center with 500 ibs. I am fairly new to the sport but at 240 lbs. and on a Hyperlite Broadcast I can surf 10 ft. back ropeless on regular side all day long. For myself, I have surf tab at 35-40%, wakeplate all the way up speed at 10.5 and all sacs at 100% capacity. That is with only my wife driving and my 10 year-old in the boat also. Add a large crew and it only gets better.


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[lidsterl]

You will need the 500 IBS under the bow seats if you want to stretch that wave out. I have a 16 craz that is about as dialed as it gets. It being a 16, I can't help you with the autowake settings, but I can help with general weight placement. I have larger bags than you in the rear, but I do run the 500 IBS in the nose, as well as an additional 400 pounds of steel under the bow filler cushion. My wave is long and has tons of push. What are your surf tabs and wakeplate set at?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170801/a49d87cb191663a92e46ca88155df592.jpg

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Dealer told me with the Craz Surf Edition I had 900's in the rear so I assumed 700 under how seats. According to another '17 owner on forum it's 650's in rear and 500 under middle and 700 under now for a total of 2500. He upgraded to 1100's in rear to achieve optimal wave. He also changed prop to 15x13, I'm running stock 14.25x14.5

I'm running port surf tab at 65-70 and change wake plate to see wave change but usually it is 15-25 down.

Speedo needs proper calibration. We found using 2-3 different gps to test it that's its running fast. Have tried to live speed around to lengthen wave.

We will use manual setup to achieve wave and then once we get it we can switch to auto wake to see pitch and roll and then change auto wake settings to hit those #'s if we want to make use of it. Personally I'd say auto wake is a bit of a selling feature. Can help the newbie and it seems to create decent wave on regular side. But goofy side takes some work

Thx.




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[stevemarich]

With the Craz surf edition you should have 650 rear 700 center hard tank , and 500 is. The surf max is same other than 900 rears ,

[stevemarich]

With 1140 rears , a 150 bag under port rear seat , a 150 bag under bow filler , 4 people in boat we were running the auto wake at 8.5 pitch and -4.5 roll for regular , speed 11 - 11.3 , I fill everything full and after were going move people or use tabs and wake plate to get the auto wake to the set points ,

[lidsterl]

Our boat is the Surf Max with 900's in rear, and I believe a 500 in center and 700 under bow, for 3,000lbs total. Came with OJ 945 prop. I'm going to test the timers to make sure each ballast is actually reaching capacity and then keep trying to adjust the surf tabs, wake plate and speed. Hopefully get it dialed in soon. So many factors to play with but helps having a forum to get ideas and advice!

We are likely getting the bow filler cushion for next year and likely add a bag under there as well. The rear bags at 900lbs each we will keep for rest of this season and see how we do before swapping them out. Might get a 500lbs bag to sit on seat behind driver on the surf side. All 3 in our family are goofy foot so having an extra bag on seat when it's just the three of us surfing isn't an issue space wise.

[mattsask]

Our boat is the Surf Max with 900's in rear, and I believe a 500 in center and 700 under bow, for 3,000lbs total. Came with OJ 945 prop. I'm going to test the timers to make sure each ballast is actually reaching capacity and then keep trying to adjust the surf tabs, wake plate and speed. Hopefully get it dialed in soon. So many factors to play with but helps having a forum to get ideas and advice!

We are likely getting the bow filler cushion for next year and likely add a bag under there as well. The rear bags at 900lbs each we will keep for rest of this season and see how we do before swapping them out. Might get a 500lbs bag to sit on seat behind driver on the surf side. All 3 in our family are goofy foot so having an extra bag on seat when it's just the three of us surfing isn't an issue space wise.Sounds close, but you've got the center/bow mixed up. Center is 700, bow is 500. Not that it makes a difference, just trying to make sure you're well informed.

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[SD1]

Thanks for the posts, we are trying to dial in a 17' surf edition. Will take some of the above suggestions. My brother and nephew are std, while myself and Niece are goofy. So far we are pretty happy with the Wake but certainly want to maximize it as we improve our skills. Currently we are filling both rear sacks to 100% and center to 45% wave plate at 75% and cruise at 9.3, have not verified speed. Let us know what you think. We are on vaca and surfing a couple times a day for the next 7 days and would love to be dialed before we are done.

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[mattsask]

I would start with running your wakeplate all the way up. If your intention was to use the wakeplate to make the wave longer, I would do that as a last resort. Instead, try increasing bow weight and speed in order to stretch the wave and make it firmer. Your overall ballast is quite low, so I would try to increase that as much as possible. I run between 11 -12.5 mph, but I have twice the ballast you do, so my suggestion might not necessarily work for you. Verify speed next outing

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[SD1]

Will try that tomorrow. Forgot to mention We have a 400# far sack on the rear bench .

[lidsterl]

I would start with running your wakeplate all the way up. If your intention was to use the wakeplate to make the wave longer, I would do that as a last resort. Instead, try increasing bow weight and speed in order to stretch the wave and make it firmer. Your overall ballast is quite low, so I would try to increase that as much as possible. I run between 11 -12.5 mph, but I have twice the ballast you do, so my suggestion might not necessarily work for you. Verify speed next outing

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We tried a few setups on the weekend with some successes. Had rear 900's full and Center/front all the way full. Put people in front and back corners to try and get pitch and roll. Tried with and without autowake

At end of day I'm going to upgrade rears to 1140's and then have a couple bags, one for front under bow filler and one for under rear seat (or on top of seat) for surf side. If we have friends out we can leave additional bags at home

Experimented with wake plate from 100% down to all the way up. Surf tab was usually 70% for goofy side surfing. Overall need boat low in water for longer wave we will try wake plate all the way up and get boat low on water for longer wave. Generally close to 11mph but will adjust speed to try and lengthen wave.

We also have different board coming. Dealer sold us Diamond CL by Phase 5 which is a nice board but single fin and not very thick board. Son uses a 54" and I'm on 57". Getting better on it but it seems slippery.

Without bodies or extra bags to help achieve necessary pitch and roll auto wake will dump ballast to achieve set points. Down side of that is less ballasts in boat and therefore less displacement, therefore shorter and steeper wave (imo)

Thanks for advice so far.


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[Swooper]

I have a 2017 Surf Max with the stock 900 rears, 700 in floor hard tank, and 500 ibs.

I fill everything full. Full like the cupholders pop out of the front and I burp the air out of the rear bags and keep filing until they overflow out the side thruhulls. I run the wakeplate all the way up, and the surf tabs at the factory setting, which I believe is 85% on the starboard side and 65% on the port side. It's always just my wife, son, and I in the boat, so not much human ballast at all. If you can't surf that wave, then it's a technique thing, not a boat thing. It's a steeper wave than a longer wave, but I can still ride well back from the platform. My son (albeit, he's only 9 and weighs 65 pounds) can ride at least 12-15 feet back.

I don't use the AutoWake. I like to transfer side to side when surfing, and the system can't keep up with the filling and draining. Better to just run everything full and just have the driver flip the switch back and forth. Fun!!!

One thing for sure though is you need deep water. One lake we frequent has some areas where it drops to 8-12 feet deep in places, and wave crumbles.

[Stazi]

Don't use Autowake. For port side surfing (natural foot) set the starboard tab to 45% wakeplate to 25% and speed at 11.2. We also have another 400on floor up against rear bench, and additional 750 on surf side seat. For starboard side surf (goofy) use same setting except surf tab at 65% and switch 750 bag to starboard side.


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[jwl019]

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Anyone know what it takes to get this wave out of the Craz?

[mattsask]

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Anyone know what it takes to get this wave out of the Craz?Ya, 4500-5000 lbs of ballast. Likely Enzo bags in the rear plus an additional 4-500 lbs in the nose.

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[mattsask]

Meant to attach these pics to my last post. That's a 16 craz with a wave of the same calibre as the pic you posted. That's 4600# of ballast and 4 passengers.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170902/8a7a194c19cb6fb5f71e0c780be4c7de.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170902/4b243ff421937779d699a0d292ed6879.jpg

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[jwl019]

With the enzo sacs, is the 400 enough or 450 needed at sea level?

[mattsask]

With the enzo sacs, is the 400 enough or 450 needed at sea level?400 is more than enough at sea level. Just make sure you're running a 15x13 prop. 15x12.5 would be even better. I run the oj 945 and surf all day long at 5.1 gph or less, with that setup. Rpm's are 3400-3600 depending on crew size and conditions.

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[Stazi]

400 is more than enough at sea level. Just make sure you're running a 15x13 prop. 15x12.5 would be even better. I run the oj 945 and surf all day long at 5.1 gph or less, with that setup. Rpm's are 3400-3600 depending on crew size and conditions.

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Same for me. OJ 945 and 400 Raptor. Great combo


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[stevemarich]

Some video using the factory autowake settings , 1140s around 250 under port rear seat , 2 adults 1 kid , she tries a 360 at the end, https://youtu.be/Yj_zLRYaQZo

[Ry_Guy82]

Where is everyone getting the 1,100 pound rear bags from - wakemakers? I just brought home a 2016 Craz surf edition with 3,000 lbs so 900 in rears. The wave that Matt has in his picture is amazing!!

Where did you buy and how much is the OJ 945 prop? self install or dealer install?

Great thread with great discussion thanks everyone for helping this new Moomba Craz owner start to dial in my wave.

[parrothd]

Just upgraded from the oj 945 to the acme 2315, call nettles or wakemakers for price. Both are good the acme is better for more weight.

[mattsask]

How do you like the 2315? What rpm are you running for surfing and how much ballast? Can you get to wakeboard speed with 100% full ballast? What's your WOT speed empty? I've been toying with the 2315 idea but we ski once in a while.
Just upgraded from the oj 945 to the acme 2315, call nettles or wakemakers for price. Both are good the acme is better for more weight.

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[parrothd]

I have the enzo 1450s with 500lb lead and 700lbs bow sac. For surfing 10.8mph I'm at 3500rpms, my max speed is somewhere around 33ish? The new prop seems to run less Tom's and more low end.

[flynnva]

Where is everyone getting the 1,100 pound rear bags from - wakemakers? I just brought home a 2016 Craz surf edition with 3,000 lbs so 900 in rears. The wave that Matt has in his picture is amazing!!

Where did you buy and how much is the OJ 945 prop? self install or dealer install?

Great thread with great discussion thanks everyone for helping this new Moomba Craz owner start to dial in my wave.

Congrats on the Craz, post a pic. I think most people that went with 1100's had the smaller 650's. If you have 900's you won't gain much for the cost going to 1100's. My understanding is they fill to about 1000. I'd look into the enzo 1450's or the Wakemaker custom Moomba Mojo bags. The Mojo bags are 1270's and you keep a little storage under your bench seats. I think the Craz has the same size lockers and bench setup.

[mattsask]

I have the enzo 1450s with 500lb lead and 700lbs bow sac. For surfing 10.8mph I'm at 3500rpms, my max speed is somewhere around 33ish? The new prop seems to run less Tom's and more low end.Can you get to wakeboard speed with all ballast full? My craz struggles with the oj 945.

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[parrothd]

Full ballast? I haven't tried, usually only run around 50% for wakeboarding. I try next time.

[mattsask]

Full ballast? I haven't tried, usually only run around 50% for wakeboarding. I try next time.Keep me posted please!

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