Doomswell Fins

[wetfly112]

Wanted to see if anyone had feedback on fins for doomswell boards. Currently running stock. Wondering if changing the fins is worth the investment.?

[jmvotto]

yep futures blastix f4 definitely worth it

I hear the JJ fins are great too

[5:00]

Where is Trayson? I thought he got automatic notifications when Doomswell was typed in. ;)

[trayson]

Where is Trayson? I thought he got automatic notifications when Doomswell was typed in. ;)

LOL. Wow, did I exceed the 2 hour threshold?


http://i.imgur.com/lOQC1uy.jpg

That said, yes, I was recommended to change out the Futures F2 fins that came with my 4'6 Nubstep to the John John Grom fins, and I couldn't be happier. The board is faster, more responsive, looser. Just all around more fun and the upgrade was worth every penny.

My wife went from the Stock Futures F3 fins on her 4'4 Sparkplug to my old F2's. Eventually I'm sure she'll change up fins too.

We also did a "fin off" with my buddy riding the Futures F4, F3, F2, and then my John John Grom. He liked the F2's over the F4's. Didn't really care for the F3's. And he adored the John John Grom's which totally made his board and his riding come alive.
Assortment of Futures F series fins.
http://i.imgur.com/ybyHLIi.jpg

[wetfly112]

Thanks for all the feedback. So, it seems like its blackstix 3.0 vs John John grom. Anyone else used either of each? I am on a 4'8" nubstep.

[Poison]

Like I mentioned in the other thread, I got the Blackstix. They certainly gave the board more drive. When I lean forward, I can feel the difference from the stock fins. It is like the front foot is the gas pedal now. I had no trouble breaking them loose. In terms of spins, I didn't notice that much of a difference. I found I was able to recover from further back in the wake than I was able to previously with the stock fins.

https://futuresfins.com/innovation/ride-number/ That link should give you more information on the differences. The Blackstix fall in the upper category coming in at a 9.6 and are in the drive category. The JJ Groms are a 6.1 and are in the balanced category that focus more on control.

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[trayson]

I hope to try the Blackstix at some point. I'm just not quite really to throw the money at it when I'm so happy with the jjg's

[trayson]

Like I mentioned in the other thread, I got the Blackstix. They certainly gave the board more drive. When I lean forward, I can feel the difference from the stock fins. It is like the front foot is the gas pedal now. I had no trouble breaking them loose. In terms of spins, I didn't notice that much of a difference. I found I was able to recover from further back in the wake than I was able to previously with the stock fins.

https://futuresfins.com/innovation/ride-number/ That link should give you more information on the differences. The Blackstix fall in the upper category coming in at a 9.6 and are in the drive category. The JJ Groms are a 6.1 and are in the balanced category that focus more on control.

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Also worth mentioning that I'm riding mine as a dual fin (as opposed to the quad fin setup pictured above). And I'm also coming from an F2 fin, rather than coming from an F3 fin as above. My wife went from F3's to F2's on her sparkplug and it definitely let her carve a lot easier. My buddy that tried the F2, F3, and F4 didn't like the F3's and his board doesn't even have slots to make his a quad.

Hard to get apples to apples unless you have them all in your hands. That's for sure. It'd def be interesting to try the blackstix if they're supposedly even faster.


I like the aesthetics of the blaxstix better! The lime green doesn't really look right with my white/blue/black. haha.

[jmvotto]

I like the aesthetics of the blaxstix better! The lime green doesn't really look right with my white/blue/black. haha.


Yep blackstix. All about the looks $$$

[Poison]

I've never taken off the small fins and tried a 2 fin setup. I may give it a go this weekend and see how that feels.

I have to be honest, I was skeptical about how difference the fins would make...I thought it was one of those things that a pro might be able to tell the difference but probably not me with my weekend warrior level 9 status. But I can honestly say it improved the ride...and that's not just me trying rationalize spending that kind of scratch on fins. (Even though I would probably try to rationalize it like that if it hadn't but in this case I seriously saw a difference.)


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[muehlcj]

Wanted to see if anyone had feedback on fins for doomswell boards. Currently running stock. Wondering if changing the fins is worth the investment.?

The John John groms and the BS are solid futures performers in the wakesurf world. Across all fin companies and lines look for the following:
-base 4.25" or less
-depth 4.5" or less
-area 14.1"^2 or less
-sweep 33-34 deg
-foil - flat or blended inside

After that think about what you want from a fin. More pivot - look for upright fin less sweep/rake. Less hold reduce the surface area. More speed - look at blended foils.

Don't feel like you have to stick to specific models people recommend. Use the general info above and have fun exploring a brands whole range of fins. Some days you might want speed for airs some days you might want longer more drawn out turns. Look at materials and weights lots to have fun with.

[jmvotto]

If you really like the performance from the fin upgrade , then maybe a board upgrade is in order as well . I went from a Doomswell drone 48 to a Parker surfcraft 4 8 with essesentisllly same traction and fin setup and I have only ridden my drone once in the last two years and the PS 48 is my go to board.

[PuraVida]

I ride my neo with chaos flare fins. They are fins actually made for wakesurfing while the other fins mentioned above are repurposed ocean surfing fins. They may work but that is not their design intent. Below is a quote I got from an email to nick at chaos. I haven't rode the blackstix f4s to compare but I would love to hear if someone has.

"The build and flex of the Chaos fins are similar to the blackstix line. The templates, however are geared to wakesurfing.

Nick"


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[trayson]

If you really like the performance from the fin upgrade , then maybe a board upgrade is in order as well . I went from a Doomswell drone 48 to a Parker surfcraft 4 8 with essesentisllly same traction and fin setup and I have only ridden my drone once in the last two years and the PS 48 is my go to board.

I'd love to try one, but I blew my 'board money' on buying that foil board... LOL. I just don't have the scratch to lay down on another board. I'm sure they're amazeballz. Just hard to justify when I have my DS and I don't have the money burning a hole in my pocket. (ask my checking account when I had to pay off my visa, mortgage, and child support all within a few days. UGH!

You won't happen to be anywhere near Houston next week, will ya????? LOLOL. because that's about as close as I'll get.

[jmvotto]

One is being donated to the Texas jam ,not sure if you'll stil be there

[trayson]

One is being donated to the Texas jam ,not sure if you'll stil be there

We leave a few days before the Jam starts. That would have been a blast to try it and to hang at the Jam. But we have to work around my son's summer visitation schedule. But it looks like we'll get some boat time in TX, so I'm excited.

[jmvotto]

Good times in Houston

[muehlcj]

I ride my neo with chaos flare fins. They are fins actually made for wakesurfing while the other fins mentioned above are repurposed ocean surfing fins. They may work but that is not their design intent. Below is a quote I got from an email to nick at chaos. I haven't rode the blackstix f4s to compare but I would love to hear if someone has.


"The build and flex of the Chaos fins are similar to the blackstix line. The templates, however are geared to wakesurfing.

Nick"


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Nick has some great fins for wakesurfing including his skim fins. if anyone has any questions about his fins I would reach it to him. He's vert knowledgeable.

[kaneboats]

Wonder if he would come on here and answer questions. Like: Should I try to change fins on my Daniello Diamond?

[Poison]

Wonder if he would come on here and answer questions. Like: Should I try to change fins on my Daniello Diamond?

Would actually be curious about the same thing...I have the hammerhead.

[5:00]

Would actually be curious about the same thing...I have the hammerhead.

Will be following. I have a Hammerhead as well. Looks like our whole setup is damn near the same LOL. Well except for the B-52, I only have a DJI Mavic.

[PuraVida]

Nick posts on wake world very regularly. Try him there or email him on the chaos site.


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[muehlcj]

Would actually be curious about the same thing...I have the hammerhead.

Those with Phase 5 are stuck using P5 fins or maybe the original two tab FCS fins. They are either two tab like the FCS1 or screw through. Nick uses futures ILT (Interwoven Laminate Technology) box compatible bases on his fins, including his skim fins. Be sure to remember that the ILT boxes come in 3/4 depth for front fins and 1/2 for rear and center when purchasing fins.

Sorry guys.

[kaneboats]

Just gonna have to get one of them chaos carbon fiber skims.

[KnoxMojo]

So let me ask, the JJ grom fin gets great reviews, I see a lot of fans of the wakesurf specific Chaos fins... Has anyone been able to ride both?

[Poison]

Will be following. I have a Hammerhead as well. Looks like our whole setup is damn near the same LOL. Well except for the B-52, I only have a DJI Mavic.

Like I said, you and I are 07 XLV science partners.

I fly bombers for work...I drive my Moomba for fun.

[muehlcj]

[QUOTE=PuraVida;311278]I ride my neo with chaos flare fins. They are fins actually made for wakesurfing while the other fins mentioned above are repurposed ocean surfing fins. They may work but that is not their design intent. Below is a quote I got from an email to nick at chaos. I haven't rode the blackstix f4s to compare but I would love to hear if someone has.

Nick makes great fins but it's hard to argue with the massive amount of design experience and feedback from the best surfers in the world that futures brings to the table.

What makes a fin good for any application is the right characteristics. Decide what you want it to do and then look within the parameters for design elements that lend themselves to your end goal. Forget about marketing and the "this is a wakesurf fin" mentality.

[wetfly112]

Im gonna give the blackstix a try. Well see what happens

[jmbushey]

Would you recommend jj groms on a neo too?


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[wolfeman131]

Fins aren't board specific. A particular board doesn't ride better with a specific fin. Fin selection is personal - your size & what you want to do on the board, how the board reacts, etc is how fins should be selected.

We went through dozens of setups & fins before finding the right combination. You need to experiment on your own & find what works best for you.

[muehlcj]

Fins aren't board specific. A particular board doesn't ride better with a specific fin. Fin selection is personal - your size & what you want to do on the board, how the board reacts, etc is how fins should be selected.

We went through dozens of setups & fins before finding the right combination. You need to experiment on your own & find what works best for you.


What he said ^^^^

[muehlcj]

Would you recommend jj groms on a neo too?


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If you are running the white thermotech fins the JJG's will def bring that board to life. Do you have two or four fin boxes? If you have 4 get the futures TMF's and run then in the rear boxes along with the JJG's for more speed and more air.

[trayson]

Would you recommend jj groms on a neo too?


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I ride the JJG's on my 4'6 nubstep and brought them with me to TX and rode the JJG fins on a fast custom 4'6 neo. I first tried the neo with the F4's and didn't like how much the fins stuck in the wave. I actually stopped my ride and swapped in the JJG's and was a lot happier. they're looser and faster and just make the boards more fun to ride. The owner of the board also commented on the fact that they were a lot looser. He cranked out a couple 720's and actually had one that he could have rode out if he wouldn't have been so tired at that point in our day.

I would love to try the blacksticks at some point, as they are supposedly faster and the JJG's are looser??? (my interpretation from the "ride number" thing. I think either way you can't go wrong. The f2's are more playful than the F4's and I'll never ride my F2's ever again now that I have the JJG's. Is $80 to $100 a lot? for some people it seems like it, but I think that on an expensive custom board if it can make it noticeably more fun, it's totally worth it.

[stevemarich]

I ride the JJG's on my 4'6 nubstep and brought them with me to TX and rode the JJG fins on a fast custom 4'6 neo. I first tried the neo with the F4's and didn't like how much the fins stuck in the wave. I actually stopped my ride and swapped in the JJG's and was a lot happier. they're looser and faster and just make the boards more fun to ride. The owner of the board also commented on the fact that they were a lot looser. He cranked out a couple 720's and actually had one that he could have rode out if he wouldn't have been so tired at that point in our day.

I would love to try the blacksticks at some point, as they are supposedly faster and the JJG's are looser??? (my interpretation from the "ride number" thing. I think either way you can't go wrong. The f2's are more playful than the F4's and I'll never ride my F2's ever again now that I have the JJG's. Is $80 to $100 a lot? for some people it seems like it, but I think that on an expensive custom board if it can make it noticeably more fun, it's totally worth it.

Hey Tryason , what speed are surfing your nubstep at , we tried ours out yesterday its the 4'8 , ran it as 2 fin setup and it came with the f3 fins, we were running around 11-11.6 same speed and wave that we set up for our skim board ,and it seemed liked the nubstep rode low in the water, like it didn't want to float at all, would go to carve up the wave and would just sink into it, and when trying go out on the flat and carve back in , as soon as we would leave the base of the wave it would slow down and sink, was pretty hard to generate speed at mid wave , Are we running to slow for this style of board? My wife and I both had similar feelings on the board, but we only got one run each before one of the passengers chipped the nose, so quit using it till can get if fixed. was wondering if when you were trying out fins if you got to try the f3 or had similar experience with some of the fins you have tried. Thanks

[muehlcj]

Hey Tryason , what speed are surfing your nubstep at , we tried ours out yesterday its the 4'8 , ran it as 2 fin setup and it came with the f3 fins, we were running around 11-11.6 same speed and wave that we set up for our skim board ,and it seemed liked the nubstep rode low in the water, like it didn't want to float at all, would go to carve up the wave and would just sink into it, and when trying go out on the flat and carve back in , as soon as we would leave the base of the wave it would slow down and sink, was pretty hard to generate speed at mid wave , Are we running to slow for this style of board? My wife and I both had similar feelings on the board, but we only got one run each before one of the passengers chipped the nose, so quit using it till can get if fixed. was wondering if when you were trying out fins if you got to try the f3 or had similar experience with some of the fins you have tried. Thanks

I'm guessing it's not speed realated. The nubstep is listed a as a hybrid board and without putting my hands on one I would guess it has a med rail from about 8" in front of the fin box to the nose with 50/50 to 60/40 tuck. Rails have a huge affect on how a board performs. The shape of the rail determines how water flows over them when planning and turning. Unlike your hard rails on your skimmer that slide across the surface these rails will pull the board into the water on turns or when engaged in the wave face. Essentially slowing it down but for all the right reasons. It probably also has considerably more rocker also slowing the board down but again for the right reasons. By itself the board will be slower then a skimmer but if ridden correctly (which will feel like a lot more work) it can generate way more speed and much more progressive turns and airs.

Better fins will help. A lot of discussion on that.

[trayson]

I agree. I've never thought the nubstep to be a slow board. It's of course a night and day difference between that and a skim board in how it drafts in the water.

I've honestly never had any trouble keeping like I couldn't keep up. In fact, I'm getting a solid workout on my rear legs from putting on the brakes and working the tail. I'd think that riding style needs to fit the board.

That said, we ride anywhere between 10 and 10.5 on paddlewheel perfect pass.

[stevemarich]

ya have been browsing on fins, that makes sense , I wish we could have gotten more time on it, after riding a couple different surf style boards and my skimmer , figured it wouldn't take much to feel the board out enough to enjoy it , but sounds like just need more time on it ,probably was edging on the board more than should have been, Thanks