2017 Mojo Settings

[TJG]

Hello all,

We've recently purchased a new 2017 Mojo with the surf package. As first time surfers, we had someone with a bunch more knowledge help us out setting up the boat and teaching us how to surf. I'd like to confirm settings - make sure I am doing everything right!

For starters, I am 5'10" and weigh nearly 200lbs. We set the ballast to 100/65/100, as we had surfers on both sides (I surf on passenger side of the boat, left foot forward). As I said, we are just beginning, however the only spot that I could really surf without getting pulled along was right up behind the boat - board within inches to a couple of feet from the platform. As a beginner, is this typical? I certainly had a bunch of rope in my hand!

Also, rope length. we have a 20ft rope, should I be using all of this, or shorter it by a length to 17ft? A little less rope hanging in my hand would be a good thing at this point!

Thanks!

[Stazi]

I'm guessing even with the surf package you got the small 650 bags. I got the Craz surf edition and it had the same puny 650's.

You NEED 1100's, especially in the Mojo as that has a huge hull that you need to displace to generate a big wave; but all the new Moombas need them to maximize the surf wave. When you upgrade to 1100's you will also need two sets of the engine panel stiffeners, as they will press onto the panels and cause them to bow and touch the engine, and could damage the spark plugs.


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[stevemarich]

What Stazi says , the surf edition only comes with the extra bow sac , need 1100 or better in the rear lockers , we did a demo on a mojo surf with and knowing how to surf , by the platform was the only way to go ropless, you could try only filling then bow 40 % might give you a little more push until you can upgrade the rears

[Stazi]

And if you can swing for the Enzo bags even better although they do extend under the side seats on both side a bit so you will lose some storage space if that is a concern.


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[rdlangston13]

And if you can swing for the Enzo bags even better although they do extend under the side seats on both side a bit so you will lose some storage space if that is a concern.


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This is a bit of an under statement. You lose virtually all under seat cabin storage with the Enzo's


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[moombahighrider]

This is a bit of an under statement. You lose virtually all under seat cabin storage with the Enzo's


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I can attest to this statement. I have Enzo's and there is no room under seats when bag is full

[Isaguel]

I have the surf edition with upgraded rears to 1100'S. I was still struggling to get any push and frustrated to heck. 2 weeks ago I was surfing with my buddy and we were trying many different settings, listing the boat, etc, to no avail. At some point during this I must have set the front ballast to empty. We also had the starboard side surf plate to 100%. My buddy gets to surfing and we notice the wave to be very high and steep. Lots of push and he was able to surf way back in the wave, where the wave curls and makes the sharp turn sideways. It was great, we were at a loss as to what happened. Then I realized the bow of the boat was riding real high, look at the front ballast and it was empty. Unfortunately I never got to ride the wave. He tried a 360 and somehow he fell and the board popped up and hit him on his wrist. It was not good. He's better now luckily, but that ended our surf session for that day. (You might be thinking, so what just the wrist, but, you should have seen his wrist!). Weather's been crappy and haven't been able to ride my new found wave.
Anyway, get 1100's and start with 25% front ballast and fill from there until you find the sweet spot where you have the best push without sacrificing too much length.

[Stazi]

I have found that if you move the surf plates to 100% its actually too much and causes the rear of the boat to lift too much and reduce the size of the wave. Any more than 70-75% and the wave starts to shrink in my experience.


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[rdlangston13]

Anyone have the 15x13 prop and what kind of top speed do you get with it? I don't see us getting much over 30 mph with that bad boy


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[Stazi]

Yeah I have the OJ 945. 30-31 tops but I don't care. It does the job of hauling ass with ballast.


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[98outback]

We have it the 15x13. I want to say we were mid 30's. I'll let you know this weekend when it's back in the water.

[TJG]

Thanks for all the comments. Just via previous research, it looked like 1100s were the way to go. I will most likely do that next year, I have no issue using the rope, as I'm still learning. Heading up north this weekend for a week, hoping to get a lot of practice time in!

[Moho]

Doesn't the 2017 Mojo with the surf max package come with 900# rear bags? I too would like some more weight in the rear but I'm not sure if the 1100s would be worth the extra cash.

[pat6969]

This whole adding bigger bags to the rear lockers is disheartening!! I just paid 75K for a used '15 Mondo Surf Edition with 14 hrs (Canada prices), they are 100K new up here. You would think at these prices the manufacturers would install what is needed from the start!! I can't imagine a factory upgrade from 650's to 1000's would cost more than a few dollars for them.

[Stazi]

This whole adding bigger bags to the rear lockers is disheartening!! I just paid 75K for a used '15 Mondo Surf Edition with 14 hrs (Canada prices), they are 100K new up here. You would think at these prices the manufacturers would install what is needed from the start!! I can't imagine a factory upgrade from 650's to 1000's would cost more than a few dollars for them.

Agreed, the difference in cost for 1100's is probably negligible to SC, but if you want to get the most out of your boat, you need them.


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[rdlangston13]

It was my understanding that due to the shape of the rear lockers, 1100s don't fill completely. Some estimate you don't get more than about 900 lbs in them. If you want more weight than the max surf package you need the 1459 Enzo's, or lead. We are going to go lead because the Enzo's take up all storage space.


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[07STI]

This whole adding bigger bags to the rear lockers is disheartening!! I just paid 75K for a used '15 Mondo Surf Edition with 14 hrs (Canada prices), they are 100K new up here. You would think at these prices the manufacturers would install what is needed from the start!! I can't imagine a factory upgrade from 650's to 1000's would cost more than a few dollars for them.

I thought this when I first bought my Craz as well. However, I think they do it because of the capacity rating. For a Craz it's as follows:

16 people and 2,400 #'s
That comes out to 150 #'s per person on average, excluding anchors, gear, etc. That's assuming 16 people, which would be overcrowded. But, I think a lot of new boat owners look at those numbers...

If they put 1,100 # bags in the back, they would have to reduce the capacity rating on the plate down to 1,400, which comes out to 88 #'s per person (again, assuming 16 people), excluding anchors, gear, etc. Realistically, if you throw in 200 #'s of gear, your capacity is down to 1,200, which isn't a whole lot.

[Stazi]

You may have a point.


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[RichM]

I have the Enzo 1450 s and they fill up. The only problem is the loss of under seat storage. If you want a real wave go straight to the 1450s and you will have a great wave and never regret it

[Mcdonas]

I have 2014 mojo. I put three 50 lbs bag of sand on left side.( we only use that side for surfing) Fill ballast 100/75/100. Surf plate to first notch. Speed 8.8. Wake plate full nose up.. I get a lot of push and long.

[Stazi]

8.8? That must be the mushiest wave ever.


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[smorris7]

8.8? That must be the mushiest wave ever.


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Obviously his speed is incorrect! Not sure the wave would even form at that speed. He needs to check his speed against a gps.


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[TJG]

We were up north this past week and did quite a bit of surfing (I did, at least). I think I'm getting the hang of it. . .with stock ballast, I definitely cannot drop the rope weighing close to 200lbs. The wave seems better on the starboard side, so I tried surfing goofy as well. A bit better, but it was my first time on that side so I was a bit wobbly.

Until we upgrade, we really need more people in the boat! All we have is a 180lb driver, my 110lb wife and my two kids who total less than 100lbs.

My wife still can't get up out of the water, so she let out line off the swim deck. There is enough wave to push her. She had some trouble letting rope out but was fully in the water, she went ropeless for about 10 seconds trying to adjust the rope in her hands before the fell over. Didn't even know it as she was focused on rope management!

[rdlangston13]

I'm right around 200 lbs and seem to be able to ride ropeless behind our 2017 Mojo Max Surf Edition. We all ride goofy so we have the port rear bag at 80%, starboard rear bag at 100%. Auto flow at 60%, wake plate all the way up and center/bow bag at 100%. Rode rope less with just my wife in the boat driving.


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[The General]

[QUOTE=rdlangston13;311034]I'm right around 200 lbs and seem to be able to ride ropeless behind our 2017 Mojo Max Surf Edition.


Same here at 235 lbs but it's no fun just sitting in the pocket. This thing needs serious ballast enhancement. I'm offended that it's got that stupid surf edition sticker on it. It's fine to say just weigh it down more and it will be an awesome wake but at $115K, it should be ready to go without spending another nickel.

Having surfed the massive wake behind a Craz that's been weighted properly, I know I'll be happy when the Enzo's are dropped in, just wish someone else would pay for them lol

[TJG]

I guess I don't know what the Max Surf edition is, I thought it was just Surf Edition and Pro. Pro has 500lbs more of ballast from the factory, however I don't know where that ends up.

Skill level also has something to do with it I'm sure as well! I'd like to get behind a boat that's properly weighted to see what it feels like.

[stevemarich]

I guess I don't know what the Max Surf edition is, I thought it was just Surf Edition and Pro. Pro has 500lbs more of ballast from the factory, however I don't know where that ends up.

Skill level also has something to do with it I'm sure as well! I'd like to get behind a boat that's properly weighted to see what it feels like.

surf edition is 650 rears 700 hard tank plus 500 ibs. max surf is 900 rears 700 hard tank plus 500 ibs , the mojo pro comes standard with the max surf package , the max surf is only available in craz and mojo.

[98outback]

We have the surf max package and I have a 250lb sac that I throw under the long port side seat on our mojo. 100% port, 80% starboard, 100% front Ibs and hard tank plus that 250lb bag under seat at about 10.5 up to 11 depending on who's riding. Plenty of push.

[BrettLee3232]

[QUOTE=rdlangston13;311034]at $115K, it should be ready to go without spending another nickel.



You spent 115k on a mojo??? [emoji15][emoji33][emoji15]


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[stevemarich]

[QUOTE=The General;311047]

You spent 115k on a mojo??? [emoji15][emoji33][emoji15]


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That would be Canadian , and for a mojo pro , that is about what our quote was for a pro, 90k American 8-) , at least I sure that's what he meant

[The General]

Absolutely right Steve, CDN$. I'm sure if I ate a few less cheeseburgers and got down to 170 lbs I could surf much easier but I'm pretty sure I'll just buy the Enzo's

[stevemarich]

[QUOTE=The General;311125]Absolutely right Steve, CDN$. I'm sure if I ate a few less cheeseburgers and got down to 170 lbs I could surf much easier but I'm pretty sure I'll just buy the Enzo's[/QUOT

I could use a few less to, but cheeseburgers are so good.

[TJG]

I ordered 1140s yesterday. I'm hoping that they should be a good start. If I need more on my side I may do the wakemakers kit to adapt the stock 650 and put the under port seat.

[KG's Supra24]

I ordered 1140s yesterday. I'm hoping that they should be a good start. If I need more on my side I may do the wakemakers kit to adapt the stock 650 and put the under port seat.

Is this the L shape bag? What is the price?

[TJG]

Is this the L shape bag? What is the price?

560 for a pair on WakeMakers before discounts. I believe it is just taller - doesn't go forward into the rear seat area.

[stevemarich]

I ordered 1140s yesterday. I'm hoping that they should be a good start. If I need more on my side I may do the wakemakers kit to adapt the stock 650 and put the under port seat.

I had a pair of the straight line big bag 150s left from the other boat , they are round with handles on each end , both of them fit in under the seats port or starboard with the 1140s , I tried both on port side the extra 300 the was sweet , but made it nice when some more people joined us and they wanted to sit in the back just pulled them out and put them in the bow , one bag fits perfectly under the bow filler , I just leave them filled all the time

[TJG]

Was able to get out again this weekend. Finally had 5 adults in the boat while I surfed. HUGE difference. Wave was seemingly twice as big and I was able to have a slack line. Good learning experience! Looking forward to 1140s arriving now that I've seen what a few more lbs in the boat can do.

[The General]

I just spent the weekend at the lake. Surfed a couple sets behind my buddies 2006 21.5ft Centurion lightning. It put out a monster wake compared to my "stock" Mojo Pro. He has factory ballast plus a 540lb bag on the floor. We switched the whole crew over to my boat and there was just no comparison at all.

You shouldn't have to park your tow vehicle on the sun pad to get a decent surf wake! I'm starting to regret buying this boat.

P.S.

Don't tell my wife!

[wolfeman131]

I just spent the weekend at the lake. Surfed a couple sets behind my buddies 2006 21.5ft Centurion lightning. It put out a monster wake compared to my "stock" Mojo Pro. He has factory ballast plus a 540lb bag on the floor. We switched the whole crew over to my boat and there was just no comparison at all.

You shouldn't have to park your tow vehicle on the sun pad to get a decent surf wake! I'm starting to regret buying this boat.

P.S.

Don't tell my wife!

so, you're expectation is that the same weight in a larger boat should produce an equal-size wave?

[The General]

so, you're expectation is that the same weight in a larger boat should produce an equal-size wave?

Not at all. My expectation is that a boat that lauds itself as a "Surf Edition" and is equipped with the surf Max upgrade, should be able to at least compete with an 11 year old boat that has comparably 1/2 of the ballast and a decade less R&D in the hulls design.

[Stazi]

Upgrade your rear ballast bags and stop whining


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[The General]

Upgrade your rear ballast bags and stop whining


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So if I spend another $1000 and it still isn't a $121,000.00 wake, do,I have your permission to whine?

[Stazi]

$1000? How?


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[BrettLee3232]

So if I spend another $1000 and it still isn't a $121,000.00 wake, do,I have your permission to whine?

Dude, buy some bigger bags and enjoy your boat. Like everyone has been saying on this forum and every single thread. Stock ballast is not enough weight for this massive boat. It takes a lot of weight to put that ass in the water. Weigh her down & surf away. I wouldn't even mess around, I'd buy the Enzo sacs & then start dialing her in. 1100 minimum buy even then I would add some lead. 1450 Enzo's for the win.


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[muehlcj]

Not at all. My expectation is that a boat that lauds itself as a "Surf Edition" and is equipped with the surf Max upgrade, should be able to at least compete with an 11 year old boat that has comparably 1/2 of the ballast and a decade less R&D in the hulls design.

Surfed a stock mojo pro at SSF this spring. No issues staying in wave, carving, airs. Push was great, size was good. More weight will make it better but so will practice.

[smorris7]

I just spent the weekend at the lake. Surfed a couple sets behind my buddies 2006 21.5ft Centurion lightning. It put out a monster wake compared to my "stock" Mojo Pro. He has factory ballast plus a 540lb bag on the floor. We switched the whole crew over to my boat and there was just no comparison at all.

You shouldn't have to park your tow vehicle on the sun pad to get a decent surf wake! I'm starting to regret buying this boat.

P.S.

Don't tell my wife!

The Mojo will surf circles around that old Centurion. Even stock these things surf well. Either your not setting it up correctly or.... maybe more practice....
It doesn't matter which manufacturer you buy from, all boats need additional ballast to get the most potential out of the wave. I spent a heck of a lot more than you on my Supra SE and I still added 700lbs of lead to get the most out of it...
Add the weight or go back to tubing....


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[smorris7]

Surfed a stock mojo pro at SSF this spring. No issues staying in wave, carving, airs. Push was great, size was good. More weight will make it better but so will practice.

What he said.


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[The General]

I absoluty agree that I need a lot more practice.
I am ordering the Enzo's today. So hopefully this time next week they will be installed.

[Moombamarc]

Just got the 1140 and engine savers delivered today. Supper easy to install. It better get my A$$ up with no rope!


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[jmvotto]

Surfed a stock mojo pro at SSF this spring. No issues staying in wave, carving, airs. Push was great, size was good. More weight will make it better but so will practice.

Yep. My 220 lbs ass was doing it as well with the except of big airs ..

[TJG]

Just got the 1140 and engine savers delivered today. Supper easy to install. It better get my A$$ up with no rope!


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What's the length on the engine panel supports?

[jmvotto]

also consider the boards your riding .

if its a broadcast or a cwb ride and your a big guy you will have trouble regardless

[TJG]

also consider the boards your riding .

if its a broadcast or a cwb ride and your a big guy you will have trouble regardless

Great point - I have a CWB Ride as it's a good starter, any suggestions as to what to upgrade to? I honestly know nothing!

[KnoxMojo]

call a custom board company of your choice, as there are many out there, I prefer doomswell and phase 5.....chaos, inland surfer, tuktuk, Victoria, soulcraft and parker surcraft are all great as well.....give them your info and riding style you are going for and they'll recommend a board for you. You have already spent a bunch of cash, what is another $500 or so, lol

[Moombamarc]

I have a Waterloo.
It's out of Austin Texas. Great board.


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