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The General
05-12-2017, 10:44 AM
I have surfed for a couple of seasons now. Is it too soon to try the Wakefoil?


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj554Sfy-rTAhXEDSwKHdPyCEcQtwIIXjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfL ulOrM7pOg&usg=AFQjCNEXbDJxoDBhMtxmUJxgtW2VZrRxKg

trayson
05-12-2017, 01:25 PM
I have surfed for a couple of seasons now. Is it too soon to try the Wakefoil?


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj554Sfy-rTAhXEDSwKHdPyCEcQtwIIXjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfL ulOrM7pOg&usg=AFQjCNEXbDJxoDBhMtxmUJxgtW2VZrRxKg

I don't think it's "too soon".

So the insight I've gotten is that you don't need to go fast, like 15mph and you don't need to bother with ballast. Do it on a full length line. I guess it's a little counter-intuitive because we're used to varying the pressure on our rear foot, and this is better done with slight variations on the front foot.

I don't know anyone other than the guys at the boat dealer and the Slingshot rep that have actually done it though... I'm the only person I know that owns one (aside from our orthopedic knee specialist that's a kiteboarder and does foil kite boarding)

I've been waiting for a little bit warmer weather/water before I give it a try, but I'm looking forward to it. I've heard it takes a bit to get the hang of it and that you crash a LOT, but I'll let you know...

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/Screenshot_2016-12-27-15-09-36_zpsvmjcoize.png

The General
05-12-2017, 01:57 PM
Is that a wakefoil setup for $699.00? Thanks for the input. I'm gonna pull the trigger but still looking for a less expensive set up. The Slingshot is 1699.00 plus shipping. I'm also from Canada so its 40% more due to the exchange.

trayson
05-12-2017, 02:19 PM
Is that a wakefoil setup for $699.00? Thanks for the input. I'm gonna pull the trigger but still looking for a less expensive set up. The Slingshot is 1699.00 plus shipping. I'm also from Canada so its 40% more due to the exchange.

It WAS a setup for that price, until I bought it on ebay!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

The one I got is the entry level liquid force foil fish. If I remember right, it retails for around $1,100. It doesn't have the adjustable mast length like the slingshot, but it's their entry level board/foil setup. I'm sure it'll be plenty for me.

The General
05-12-2017, 02:24 PM
Awesome lol Ill keep looking I guess. Can't wait to see it in use.

trayson
05-12-2017, 02:34 PM
Awesome lol Ill keep looking I guess. Can't wait to see it in use.

If you ever make it down to the Portland/Vancouver area, you can give it a try! (plus, slingshot sports is about an hour away, so it'd be fun to zip over there and talk to those guys.)

The General
05-12-2017, 02:43 PM
thanks for the offer, I appreciate that. I don't think I'll haul the boat quite that far though. I do have a trip planned to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho this summer though so I may have one shipped to a dealer in that area.

trayson
05-12-2017, 03:03 PM
thanks for the offer, I appreciate that. I don't think I'll haul the boat quite that far though. I do have a trip planned to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho this summer though so I may have one shipped to a dealer in that area.

I wouldn't expect you to bring your boat, LOL. I'd be happy to take ya out on mine. :-)

That's a good plan. If you buy from Slingshot themselves, you can probably avoid paying sales tax, as they are from Oregon which has no state sales tax. But their setup is a lot more expensive than the Liquid Force ones...

trayson
05-22-2017, 11:44 AM
Oh hello...

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/IMG951417_zps2hi0krjr.jpg

5:00
05-22-2017, 03:47 PM
I have a sky ski which is different from this above the waterline. These things seem to have a mind of their own. The best advice I received was to look at a point eye level and at the center of the boat. Your body will follow the motion of your eyes. I tested the theory and it is true. That really made a difference for me and keeping low while learning.

trayson
05-22-2017, 03:53 PM
I have a sky ski which is different from this above the waterline. These things seem to have a mind of their own. The best advice I received was to look at a point eye level and at the center of the boat. Your body will follow the motion of your eyes. I tested the theory and it is true. That really made a difference for me and keeping low while learning.

I know when I was on a sit-ski on the snow, it was difficult to translate the normal motion a person would do on snowskis of pressure on the heels vs toes to forward/back pressure sitting in a chair. With the foil board, being able to use the front/rear legs to translate the forward/back pressure on the board seemed a LOT more natural to me. I guess I like being a sideways rider!

I'm hoping to get out on it tonight, so I'll report back!

5:00
05-22-2017, 04:07 PM
Let us know for sure.

The tough thing about the sky ski is that your body is one with the board. It is like an airplane control surface. Move your hands down, the board goes up. Move your hands left the board goes right. That was tough to learn. At least you don't have to mess with that. Looks like a cool ride.

trayson
05-23-2017, 02:22 AM
Note to all. Do NOT try and learn to foil board on a 36" mast. on the little 15" trainer mast, I got up first pull. No worries at all. even on the 24" mast, a couple pulls and I was up and riding, getting in some foil action.

the 36" mast is hard. I spent TONS of pulls just trying to even get up. Then the best I'd get was a second or two of glide before it bucked me off. It was like trying to tame a wild stallion.

Here's my take on the 36" mast:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/IMG955189_zpscybbg1ah.jpg

jmvotto
05-23-2017, 10:26 AM
LOL looks like modified wakeboarding to me, not surfing at all

5:00
05-23-2017, 10:39 AM
Can you get the shorter T bar? It is really weird when you get up that high off of the water too. Something just doesn't feel right.

The General
05-23-2017, 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=trayson;307101]Note to all. Do NOT try and learn to foil board on a 36" mast. on the little 15" trainer mast, I got up first pull. No worries at all. even on the 24" mast, a couple pulls and I was up and riding, getting in some foil action.

the 36" mast is hard. I spent TONS of pulls just trying to even get up. Then the best I'd get was a second or two of glide before it bucked me off. It was like trying to tame a wild stallion.

what was your speed on this dismount?

trayson
05-23-2017, 11:24 AM
what was your speed on this dismount?

I was keeping the speed slow like we did on Saturday. That's what was advised by the foil manufacturers. So I was probably going about 12mph.

trayson
05-23-2017, 11:26 AM
LOL looks like modified wakeboarding to me, not surfing at all

Well, it's called foil boarding, or Wake foiling. I was told to do it at wake length to learn and at a low speed.

Eventually it's possible to actually do one with a surf wave and ride it without the rope! Don't know if I'll ever get there at this point! haha.

trayson
05-23-2017, 11:27 AM
Can you get the shorter T bar? It is really weird when you get up that high off of the water too. Something just doesn't feel right.

I'm going to look into getting a shorter mast. That I think would make a huge difference.

jmvotto
05-23-2017, 11:38 AM
Well, it's called foil boarding, or Wake foiling. I was told to do it at wake length to learn and at a low speed.

Eventually it's possible to actually do one with a surf wave and ride it without the rope! Don't know if I'll ever get there at this point! haha.

its a surfboard with foil , not a wakeboard with a foil , should try it with bindings...lol

trayson
05-23-2017, 11:42 AM
its a surfboard with foil , not a wakeboard with a foil , should try it with bindings...lol

it's being adapted from Kiteboarding. Liquid Force and Slingshot are both big kite companies in addition to wakeboard and wakesurf. And with the crashes I'm taking, I'm plenty happy not to be strapped into the battle axe...

trayson
05-23-2017, 04:46 PM
So I found a pair of adapters to allow me to use a Slingshot mast on my Liquid Force foil fish. And I bought the set of the 3 slingshot masts in their "flight school" package (15, 24, and 30"). So that will probably make this a bit more attainable. And will certainly help others that try to learn using my gear. So $333 later, I'll have lots of mast height options.

uniwarking
05-24-2017, 04:15 PM
Looking at these... all I see is an accident waiting to happen [emoji15] I've taken a kneeboard and surfboard to the face but that foil could really do some damage.


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The General
05-24-2017, 04:26 PM
[QUOTE=uniwarking;307289]Looking at these... all I see is an accident waiting to happen [emoji15] I've taken a kneeboard and surfboard to the face but that foil could really do some damage.


That's my biggest concern. On the other hand, most things that are fun, have some element of danger lol.

trayson
05-24-2017, 04:36 PM
Looking at these... all I see is an accident waiting to happen [emoji15] I've taken a kneeboard and surfboard to the face but that foil could really do some damage.


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That's my biggest concern. On the other hand, most things that are fun, have some element of danger lol.

Exactly. I mean, I can't think of many activities that I enjoy that don't have a "serious injury or death" disclaimer. I certainly feel a LOT more risk riding my sportbike (even "protected" by full leather/boots/helmet/gloves/backprotector). Yeah, the foil has risk. it's kind of obvious--you're riding on top of a battle axe!

I wouldn't have bought a wake boat if I was concerned about keeping myself from accidents.

If ya think it's too risky, don't do it. I've never been one that would be all that risk adverse in my hobbies. However, the idea of owning my own business and being an entrepreneur scares me to death!

I'll at least make everyone wear helmets. :-)

Dank
08-15-2017, 08:50 PM
I've been wakefoiling all summer long on the slingshot wakefoil.... it's amazing.. incredible. I was riding behind a small i/o boat I had and recently bought a moomba outback. Best part about wakefoiling is it doesn't matter what boat you have. Easily as fun (if not more fun) than wakesurfing!

5:00
08-16-2017, 10:19 AM
This guy built his own electric jet wake foil. There is a whole video series on it complete with downloads for 3D printing files and materials. I would love to build one of these! Now that would be a blast. Imagine how quiet it would be with no boat and you go where you want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-Ol6GXTxQ

trayson
06-04-2018, 02:34 PM
I'll bump this thread to talk some more about foils.

I sold my liquid force foil fish. it was too much 'all or nothing' and I really struggled with it. However, I'm doing great on the Slingshot wakefoiler. the new model has FCS2 fin boxes so the board doubles as a surf board. I've been riding it consistently with the 24" mast. On my 2nd or 3rd day with it, I was able to ride 2+ miles over the course of 4 pulls. So I can get up every time and ride above the water consistently.

It's like the total beginner feeling all over again. I got excited to "cross the wake", LOL.