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onebadssv
01-29-2017, 03:56 PM
Hi guys, I always value other boat owners opinion so I would like to get some thoughts. I am looking to get into another boat in the next couple weeks and I have found some good deals on a 2016 mojo and a 2016 t23. I wanted to get some thoughts from you guys as to which route to go. Both are loaded with trailers with under 100 hours and under 60k out the door.

I'm pretty familiar with the differences between the t23 and it's Malibu counter part. What I am unsure of is the quality and option difference between the moomba and Supra. From what I could tell on water the axis has as good a wake and driveability as the Malibu but is just lacking the "extras" and goodies the Malibu offered. Both have a 5 year power train warranty which is a huge plus to me. I have never been on a moomba on water so look forward to the demo.

Can some of you guys give me the pointers between the mojo and Supra. Quality difference, wake size, performance, warranty etc? I know 2017 mojo offer a 5 year warranty, anyone know if the 2016 is the same?

For those wondering, the boat will be a family boat so of course I want it to be well versed in all aspects. We board, surf, tube etc but the most important aspect to me is the wakeboard wake and the long term durability. We will be upgrading from a 2004 Supra launch ssv which has been a wonderful boat but I'm looking forward to a long future with whatever we end up going with.

Lastly if you can think of any better boats that meet my needs for under $60k I'm all ears.

Thanks!

KG's Supra24
01-29-2017, 05:09 PM
I was in a similar situation last year. I was upgrading from a 2006 24ssv and shopped the A24 and Mojo. I found a solid deal on a dealer demo A24 Vandall and thought I was going to switch over. However, after spending time sitting in both, I feared I'd end up hating the Axis interior. I know they are both budget boats, but the Axis seemed too budget when spending 60k. It really didn't seem much better than my 10 year old Supra.

We opted to order a Mojo and haven't looked back. At the time, I felt like I was buying the best all around boat but was likely sacrificing wake cleanliness/performance. While it MAY be true, I haven't given it a second thought. We have been very happy with both our wave and wake.

I've driven a new Malibu and thought the Moomba w/ auto flow 2 was much simpler to drive than a surfgate boat.

Like I said, we haven't second guessed at all since finishing up .........

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DFTR Josh
01-29-2017, 05:40 PM
I'm getting into a 2017 Mojo and can't wait. My Moomba experience comes from the Craz and I was the same, it was all about the wake for myself. Ended my 2016 season after using a few Craz and lastly getting into a 2015 (new) SC550. I would say the biggest difference between Supra and Moomba is computer. This vision dash on Supra is something else and controls the whole boat. Moomba seemed to have mostly what Supra had just on a lighter scale. Between the 2 boats I like stuff more then the other on both but never felt I was in a budget boat with my Moomba's. Interior seemed a little more plush on the Supra and the flooring was by far the best on the market. My first Craz had the snap out nonskid and man was it nice to clean. The Supra had some snap out synthetic flooring and it never really got hot and also very easy to clean. Supra did feel a little more "luxury" with the bling n things. I'm confident you demo a Mojo and you will fall in love. Here's a quick shot of my Craz wake with just stock weight. It was so fun!
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patrick232
01-29-2017, 06:59 PM
One thing I noticed while helping my dealer at the Cincinnati boat show was that moomba was better built than the axis at most levels. The one thing I noticed crawling over both boats was the sharp edges left on the window frames and in finished areas of the axis. Some I didn't know until they sent me shoping on Sunday was the Moomba and Supra line are rated with full ballest from the manufacturer. The axis dealers have to install the bags and should tell the customer to reduce that amount from the total capacity of the people or weight.

Catman
01-29-2017, 08:17 PM
I couldn't agree more I have a 16 Craz loaded and thought I would have bought the A22 when shopping but moomba has a much better fit n finish. In your mind the axis is a Malibu Not even close. Malibu is better than moomba but moomba is better than axis

tnbrooks01
01-29-2017, 08:55 PM
I couldn't agree more I have a 16 Craz loaded and thought I would have bought the A22 when shopping but moomba has a much better fit n finish. In your mind the axis is a Malibu Not even close. Malibu is better than moomba but moomba is better than axis

Some would argue that Moomba interior is now nicer than both Malibu and Axis. In an effort to produce solid returns for shareholders Malibu had to cut costs somewhere and those cuts came from the interior. Look at the stitching and all of the squared corners or the speaker panels. It's not the same boat it was even 2 yrs ago.

I'm quite confident in going head to head with our nicely optioned Craz vs Malibu 21vlx


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mattsask
01-29-2017, 09:52 PM
I don't think you will be disappointed with a moomba. They have really stepped it up in recent years. Beautiful boats inside and out. I briefly shopped axis, but had a real hard time justifying that amount of money for an interior that looked so budget. That and the added drag from the wedge and surf gate makes them harder on fuel according to the numbers I've seen.

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sandm
01-30-2017, 08:27 AM
one walk through a moomba and an axis and notice all the interior "finishes" that moomba adds that axis is missing and it's all over.

just buy the moomba and never look back.

kaneboats
01-30-2017, 11:25 AM
We are all probably biased a bit around here but KG above came from a very nice Supra and shopped around pretty good before settling on the Mojo. I'd take his opinion and run with it. Go demo your Mojo and you'll see why we all love us some Moomba!

BrettLee3232
01-30-2017, 11:49 AM
I posted in your WW forum. Of course we here are all going to be biased towards Moomba. That being said I would look at the S238 & MB B52 before I would look at Axis IMHO.

If I was in the market for a 23' boat (I wish) that's the 3 boats I would be looking at. Mojo, S238 & B52.


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sivs1
01-30-2017, 11:56 AM
I posted in your WW forum. Of course we here are all going to be biased towards Moomba. That being said I would look at the S238 & MB B52 before I would look at Axis IMHO.

If I was in the market for a 23' boat (I wish) that's the 3 boats I would be looking at. Mojo, S238 & B52.


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I was going to say the same, maybe throw a NXT22 in to the mix. Moomba, MB, Supreme and MC. I seriously considered a Tomcat 22 when I bought my Supra, MB was a 2015 leftover and Supra is a 2013. MB is a very nice boat, not comparable to Supra but very similar to Moomba fit and finish. Supreme has come a long ways in the last couple of years. The NXT lineup should fall within your budget for a used one, but a 23 footer from MC would not.

JoelFett
01-30-2017, 01:34 PM
As they have all said, biased... But, 2 years ago I was in the same boat (pun intended). Coming from a Malibu at the time, I was looking at the T-22 vs the Moomba LSV. I chose the LSV for the family reason. Are you going to be wakeboarding 90% of the time? Go axis. Are you going to be surfing with the desired ease of side to side transfers? Go axis. Are you going to spend most of the time riding around towing kids on tubes, going to swim spots, taking the family out for a boat ride on a sunny day? Moomba all the way. Axis wake is better, pro level for sure, but I'm not a pro. I don't need a pro wake. I would have been fine behind a stingray to be honest. But I wanted to surf as well. So I took that into account.

I love my moomba. The size, fit, and details are exquisite. The interior is 100 times better than axis interior. If you want utilitarian function, axis out performs moomba. If you want comfort and a family friendly ride, moomba all the way.

Also, moomba wake and wave are nothing to shake a stick at, to be fair... like I said, not pro level, but def more than I need at my age/ability.

DaveM
01-30-2017, 03:55 PM
I also have researched 4 boats in the 22' size: Craz (hate the name), Axis A22, MB B52, and Supreme S226. Axis had the poorest fit and finish and cheap looking interior, but for 2017 it has a PCM 409 engine standard which made me think hard in its favor. Another thing Axis does have going for it though is resale. Check NADA guides, much better than the other 3, but don't buy just for that reason. Moomba is a great boat builder with simple functions for surfing and solid build boats. B52 has the very best interior finish, but limited dealer network. One boat way overpriced in my market is the Mastercraft NXT 22. Underpowered with a standard Ilmor 320hp engine. Priced well above the others I reviewed and minimal interior finish and dash.

viper548
01-30-2017, 04:34 PM
I was choosing between Mojo, Supreme 238, B52 23' and Axis. I ended up going with the '17 Mojo. I liked the looks of the Mojo the best. I also liked the interior the best. The rear facing sliding bench is great. The Axis felt cheap. On other forums there were a lot of people complaining about interior build quality. Moomba seemed to have the better base engine. I liked how the wakeplate and speed adjustment on the Moomba are like turn signals, easy to adjust while not having to look for them. Really, the only thing I liked better about the axis was the price and their dealer is an hour closer. The new autowake function on the '17 Moomba is really cool. I'm still in the break in period, so still trying to figure out how everything works. I upgraded the rear ballast to 1175's and will keep the 750s to put inside the boat . The wake was awesome with the 1175's full, 4 adults and 3 kids.

jtatexc
01-30-2017, 05:06 PM
The tige r22 is decent too at that price point. I've heard good stuff about the wave

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That Guy
01-30-2017, 06:23 PM
I'm coming from a 2015 T22....just saying. I will give the Axis a nod to resale, it's killer in my experience!

Mwcraz
02-01-2017, 07:17 PM
I also looked at all the boats mentioned before buying the Craz. The Axis was eliminated due to interior layout and dash fit and finish. My dealer sells Mastercraft and Moomba. The NXT 22 was more money and did not have the sliding bench seat or the dash layout. After one season and 100 hours I have had zero issues that have kept me off the lake. I actually ripped a snap off our carpet and it was replaced under warranty no questions asked. Overall it has been a great boat but I am obviously biased.


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