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costanza
11-02-2016, 11:19 AM
Hey there, I currently have the stock 537 prop for my LSV. We live in Canada at an elevation of only about 70m... We pretty much only use the boat for surfing, and I just find with the ballast weight and any passengers the boat struggles to just get up to surf speed. I've got the 345 surf motor and have 1100's in the rear, and IBS up front as well. With the Suck G8 on the boat struggles with just 50% of weight added in all ballasts, so I think it's time for a prop upgrade. I see lots recommending the ACME 1617, but some say at lower altitudes they don't see big improvement... Just wondering what others are using out there. I'm waiting to hear back from Wakemakers, but thought I'd reach out to our community to see what others are running... I'd like to weigh the boat down to get the best possible surf wake for my family.
Thanks for any advice!!

13mobiusLSV
11-02-2016, 04:12 PM
I have the acme 1235 with the surf motor. Our current lake is about 600' or 180m for you. Setup is 3000lbs full with the surf motor, suck gate, and no issues. I can turn 5700rpm @ 42.5mph empty with a couple people and 5500rpm @38 ballast full and 2 people. I'm over red line as it is loaded so you could even load the boat up more if you wanted. I obviously don't push it that hard, just using engine nut's template on how to verify your weight to prop setup. I've had as many as 9 people with ballast full and no problems.


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North Woods Mobius
11-03-2016, 04:30 PM
+1 for the Acme 1235 prop. I upgraded from the 537 that came on my '14 LSV, and it works like a beast with 800's rear, 650 IBS and 500 in the center hard tank. We ski and wakesurf and it works great for both :cool:

jstenger
11-04-2016, 08:51 PM
I actually disagree with the two posts above. I have a 2014 LSV with 1100's, 650 IBS, 345 surf motor and the 1235 prop. I cannot run full ballast with that prop. I can only fill the rears to about 75% which is about 800 pounds each otherwise my boat starts to cavitate and cannot get out of the hole. I am replacing my 1235 with a 2079 over the winter. This prop has been run by others on the forum and was recommended to me by Acme.

smorris7
11-05-2016, 10:04 AM
I actually disagree with the two posts above. I have a 2014 LSV with 1100's, 650 IBS, 345 surf motor and the 1235 prop. I cannot run full ballast with that prop. I can only fill the rears to about 75% which is about 800 pounds each otherwise my boat starts to cavitate and cannot get out of the hole. I am replacing my 1235 with a 2079 over the winter. This prop has been run by others on the forum and was recommended to me by Acme.

Yep same thing on my mojo. 1235 wasn't enough prop. Switched to the 2079 and was golden.


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csm
11-05-2016, 04:37 PM
We have the 1235 and it's fine for surfing and cruising with no ballast. But if you wakeboard with any ballast it really struggles for us getting on plane. I'll likely be moving to the 2079 in the offseason.


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costanza
11-07-2016, 08:01 AM
hmmm... K, I'll have to look into the 2079 prop as well. Wakemakers had recommended the 1617 for my 2013 LSV...

jstenger
11-07-2016, 08:39 AM
In my opinion, the 1617 (14" X 13.75") is not much different than the 1235 (14.5" X 14.25"). Yes, it has a slightly lower pitch, but it also has a smaller diamter. Now compare both of those to the 2079 (14.5" X 12") or even the 2315 (15" X 12"). Quite a bit of pitch difference. Either way you go, you are a whole lot better than the 537 (13.5" X 16") which is basically a speed prop.

DFTR Josh
11-07-2016, 09:50 AM
2079 (14.5" X 12") or even the 2315 (15" X 12"). Quite a bit of pitch difference.
2 props that will change your boat 100%. I ran the 2315 and boy is it amazing...

costanza
11-30-2016, 07:47 AM
Thanks for all the input guys! I ended up pulling the trigger on the weekend and bought a 2079 prop... I got it for 475$ so I'm happy with the price as well... Now I just have to wait to summer to try it out...

jstenger
11-30-2016, 10:29 AM
Me too. Ordered the 2079 for my LSV and a 515 for my ski boat. Nice getting 30% off.

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jstenger
12-02-2016, 08:33 AM
Ordered on Monday and UPS dropped them off yesterday. Wakemakers is great.

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costanza
09-01-2017, 11:01 AM
Just as an update towards the end of the season... 2079 worked amazing this season! I can run both 1100 rears, and center and front IBS full, plus either a boat load of people or a couple of 450's added into the mix for fun, and it gets to surf speed with no problems at all. I couldn't do that with my old 537 stock prop. Thanks for all the input! I recommend this prop to anyone having issues getting up to surf speed when weighed down!!

Jeepers
09-02-2017, 03:31 PM
Hey there, I currently have the stock 537 prop for my LSV. We live in Canada at an elevation of only about 70m... We pretty much only use the boat for surfing, and I just find with the ballast weight and any passengers the boat struggles to just get up to surf speed. I've got the 345 surf motor and have 1100's in the rear, and IBS up front as well. With the Suck G8 on the boat struggles with just 50% of weight added in all ballasts, so I think it's time for a prop upgrade. I see lots recommending the ACME 1617, but some say at lower altitudes they don't see big improvement... Just wondering what others are using out there. I'm waiting to hear back from Wakemakers, but thought I'd reach out to our community to see what others are running... I'd like to weigh the boat down to get the best possible surf wake for my family.
Thanks for any advice!!

Acme 2315 (15x12) all the way! I swapped an 1847 for the 2315 this last spring on my 08 LSV. 2700lbs of ballast planes instantly and surfs all day at 3000 rpms. It's the only prop I've tried that actually keeps the boat in the WOT rpm range with full ballast or empty. You will loose top end. I top out at 36-38mph.

Just make sure you have trailer clearance. It's easy to add spacers if you need to and completely worth it. I did not need to do anything to my trailer. I have plenty of hull clearance and could have even gone to a 15.5" diameter prop.




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Jeepers
09-02-2017, 03:40 PM
In my opinion, the 1617 (14" X 13.75") is not much different than the 1235 (14.5" X 14.25"). Yes, it has a slightly lower pitch, but it also has a smaller diamter. Now compare both of those to the 2079 (14.5" X 12") or even the 2315 (15" X 12"). Quite a bit of pitch difference. Either way you go, you are a whole lot better than the 537 (13.5" X 16") which is basically a speed prop.

The 1617 is a joke. It's not even a 13.75" pitch. It's actually a 14" pitch.

If anyone already has the 1235 just have a prop shop re-pitch it to 12" for $50-$100 and presto you have a 2079 and didn't have to fork out $500. Once you have the right diameter (biggest is better) you can have a prop shop re-pitch, cup.... to anything. There's no reason to keep ordering new props.


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icemanftr
09-02-2017, 08:24 PM
The 1617 is a joke. It's not even a 13.75" pitch. It's actually a 14" pitch.

If anyone already has the 1235 just have a prop shop re-pitch it to 12" for $50-$100 and presto you have a 2079 and didn't have to fork out $500. Once you have the right diameter (biggest is better) you can have a prop shop re-pitch, cup.... to anything. There's no reason to keep ordering new props.


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Interesting. I was sold on 1617 by everyone and wakemakers as "diesel of props" but when I'm sacked out that damn thing won't even reach 10mph. I think I have 1235 that came factory on it and may do just as you said and change pitch. When I had 10 people in boat a few weeks ago I couldn't even fill to 50% of my 1100s as boat wouldn't even plane out or get up to speed. Sounded horrible.


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Jeepers
09-03-2017, 01:19 PM
Interesting. I was sold on 1617 by everyone and wakemakers as "diesel of props" but when I'm sacked out that damn thing won't even reach 10mph. I think I have 1235 that came factory on it and may do just as you said and change pitch. When I had 10 people in boat a few weeks ago I couldn't even fill to 50% of my 1100s as boat wouldn't even plane out or get up to speed. Sounded horrible.


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That's exactly what happened to me. I took it to my local prop shop to see if something was wrong with it and he laughed. I purchased the 2315 from him. He said if I need it tweaked; re-pitched, cupped.... he'd do it for free to fine tune it to my boat.




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icemanftr
09-03-2017, 02:06 PM
That's exactly what happened to me. I took it to my local prop shop to see if something was wrong with it and he laughed. I purchased the 2315 from him. He said if I need it tweaked; re-pitched, cupped.... he'd do it for free to fine tune it to my boat.




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Yeah I haven't been too happy with it. Was about to trade my boat in. lol I always read people on here sacking out with more weight and full boat and mines just dying out there. I wonder who started the 1617 is diesel of props crap. Wakemakers even said yep high elevation and surf weight you want this. Time to re-pitch.


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Jeepers
09-04-2017, 02:19 AM
Yeah I haven't been too happy with it. Was about to trade my boat in. lol I always read people on here sacking out with more weight and full boat and mines just dying out there. I wonder who started the 1617 is diesel of props crap. Wakemakers even said yep high elevation and surf weight you want this. Time to re-pitch.


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There was a guy last year who started the "diesel" of props. But he traded in his LSV not too long after. Wakemakers does have great customer service, but the guys on the phone are just reading marketing scripts. After reading post after post of people "upgrading" their props year after year; I started doing my own research. It came down to: the biggest diameter you can fit on your hull = efficiency. The Nautique G series have a 17" prop. Pitch to RPM, Cup to optimize top end and gives you a slight planing advantage. All the other stuff is hocus pocus.

With the 15x12; 1100 each corner, 500 center locker and 500 bow =3200lbs, I plane instantly, can hit 30+ mph @4800rpm. Completely empty with just driver I'm at 36+mph @5200rpm. I actually called indmar after installing this prop and engine nut told me "don't change a thing"!! He said that's most perfect set up for the engine in my boat he'd ever heard.


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Leebo
09-04-2017, 09:53 PM
Just switched from a 1433 to a 2315. Last year I had 750s in the rear and the 1433 worked great. Upgraded to 1100s this year and struggled when loaded (~3500lbs ballast and 7+ people) - when surfing, couldn't get above 3900 RPM at WOT. Switched to the 2315 and now I'm 3200-3300 RPM at 11mph. Can't comment on top speed unloaded yet. Still need to shim my trailer...

Jeepers
09-06-2017, 06:07 PM
Acme 2315 (15x12) all the way! I swapped an 1847 for the 2315 this last spring on my 08 LSV. 2700lbs of ballast planes instantly and surfs all day at 3000 rpms. It's the only prop I've tried that actually keeps the boat in the WOT rpm range with full ballast or empty. You will loose top end. I top out at 36-38mph.

Just make sure you have trailer clearance. It's easy to add spacers if you need to and completely worth it. I did not need to do anything to my trailer. I have plenty of hull clearance and could have even gone to a 15.5" diameter prop.




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Just wanted to update my post as I just added 500lbs in the bow. 3200lbs and 6 adults and 3 kids and the 2315 planes in a second. Still surfing at 3000 rpms. Engine doesn't struggle at all.


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costanza
09-07-2017, 09:03 PM
Reading these posts makes me glad I went with the 2079! I flipped a coin as everyone seemed to say 1617 was the way to go (including wake makers), but pulled the trigger on the 2079 and it's been awesome. I couldn't get to plane with my stock 537 when fully loaded, but this prop gets me there easily, even when full of passengers as well.

Jeepers
09-09-2017, 02:22 AM
Just switched from a 1433 to a 2315. Last year I had 750s in the rear and the 1433 worked great. Upgraded to 1100s this year and struggled when loaded (~3500lbs ballast and 7+ people) - when surfing, couldn't get above 3900 RPM at WOT. Switched to the 2315 and now I'm 3200-3300 RPM at 11mph. Can't comment on top speed unloaded yet. Still need to shim my trailer...

My top speed, wide empty is 36. But I'm on a small lake and not in any hurry.


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_fng_
09-09-2017, 08:43 AM
I went with the 1617 and haven't had any complaints. 1100s in rear, stock center, 650 ibs and 400 lbs of steel in the front. Any boat with an uneven distribution ie too much rear weight will struggle getting on plane.

Jeepers
09-12-2017, 08:07 PM
I went with the 1617 and haven't had any complaints. 1100s in rear, stock center, 650 ibs and 400 lbs of steel in the front. Any boat with an uneven distribution ie too much rear weight will struggle getting on plane.

Unless you have the prop.


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Jeepers
09-12-2017, 08:10 PM
I went with the 1617 and haven't had any complaints. 1100s in rear, stock center, 650 ibs and 400 lbs of steel in the front. Any boat with an uneven distribution ie too much rear weight will struggle getting on plane.

In addition, that 1617 is really just a 14x14 prop. It's not 13.75". $500 bucks for .25" of pitch.


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_fng_
09-12-2017, 08:43 PM
I am glad you saved your money then!! Me and my money are happily parted. Nettles up in Austin has always been a trusted name and I was happy with their recommendation.

Jeepers
09-12-2017, 08:59 PM
I am glad you saved your money then!! Me and my money are happily parted. Nettles up in Austin has always been a trusted name and I was happy with their recommendation.

Love Nettles!


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MJHSupra
09-12-2017, 09:29 PM
Thumbs up for Nettles. Matched online prices.

Just bought a 1433 for my 2007 Supra.
If that does not work, I can exchange for a 1617.

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Cdog71
09-13-2017, 09:53 PM
I also live in Canada in the Okanagan at about 380M elevation and just switched last to the Acme 2313 (15x12) Absolutely the best purchase for the boat in recent memory. Wife even noticed and greatly approved. If it was me I'd ensure the prop was at least a 15" variety. I did a WOT run and I'm still at 38mph and that's with wife, two kids and about 600lbs of lead.

Jeepers
09-13-2017, 11:30 PM
Thumbs up for Nettles. Matched online prices.

Just bought a 1433 for my 2007 Supra.
If that does not work, I can exchange for a 1617.

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You can just have the 1433 repitched. But I would go to a 12" pitch. The 1617 isn't really a 13.75" pitch. It's a 14" pitch which is only .25" less than the 1433 and wouldn't even be noticeable. I had the 1847 on my LSV which is the 1433 but with added cup. It was huge improvement over the stock OJ. Switching to the 2315 was completely amazing. It's a rocket.


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MJHSupra
09-14-2017, 04:09 PM
You can just have the 1433 repitched. But I would go to a 12" pitch. The 1617 isn't really a 13.75" pitch. It's a 14" pitch which is only .25" less than the 1433 and wouldn't even be noticeable. I had the 1847 on my LSV which is the 1433 but with added cup. It was huge improvement over the stock OJ. Switching to the 2315 was completely amazing. It's a rocket.


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Thanks for the feedback!

Shoebox
02-01-2018, 03:21 AM
That's exactly what happened to me. I took it to my local prop shop to see if something was wrong with it and he laughed. I purchased the 2315 from him. He said if I need it tweaked; re-pitched, cupped.... he'd do it for free to fine tune it to my boat.




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Jeepers
02-01-2018, 06:10 AM
Where did you buy your prop?

The 2315 Precision Propeller in Spokane, WA. I purchased the 1847 from Nettles. They’re really know what they’re talking about. I purchased the “Diesel” prop from wakemakers. They are clueless when it comes to props.


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DFTR Josh
02-01-2018, 09:15 AM
The 2315 Precision Propeller in Spokane, WA. I purchased the 1847 from Nettles. They’re really know what they’re talking about. I purchased the “Diesel” prop from wakemakers. They are clueless when it comes to props.
I had the 2315 on my last owned boat and it was fantastic, gave me a whole new boat. Finally was able to go full fuel, people, and ballast and zero problems getting on plane while keeping the RPM's in check.

Shoebox
02-01-2018, 12:20 PM
The 2315 Precision Propeller in Spokane, WA. I purchased the 1847 from Nettles. They’re really know what they’re talking about. I purchased the “Diesel” prop from wakemakers. They are clueless when it comes to props.


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Jeepers
02-01-2018, 12:25 PM
The son of the owner took over the business and he’s a really great guy to work with. He tries to be as price competitive as he can. But I think being able to fine tune one prop saves you money in the long run.

Do you spend most your time on Hayden and Coeur d’ Alene?


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Shoebox
02-01-2018, 12:27 PM
The son of the owner took over the business and he’s a really great guy to work with. He tries to be as price competitive as he can. But I think being able to fine tune one prop saves you money in the long run.

Do you spend most your time on Hayden and Coeur d’ Alene?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI have a slip on Hayden at the marina.

Shoebox
02-01-2018, 07:19 PM
I had the 2315 on my last owned boat and it was fantastic, gave me a whole new boat. Finally was able to go full fuel, people, and ballast and zero problems getting on plane while keeping the RPM's in check.Well I called them up and talked to Colton, asked about the 2315. He actually recommended the 2419, same size and pitch but. 075 cup. From his description this one won't labor the engine as hard as the 2315 with the less aggressive cup.

Bought it and pick it up at the boat show tomorrow.

He was saying they can't change pitch on a prop much, but they can adjust cup and one or 2 other things, but that's a last resort. They have free exchange if the prop isn't doing the job, to find something that will.

Good deal, thanks for the info!

DFTR Josh
02-01-2018, 10:39 PM
Well I called them up and talked to Colton, asked about the 2315. He actually recommended the 2419, same size and pitch but. 075 cup. From his description this one won't labor the engine as hard as the 2315 with the less aggressive cup.

Bought it and pick it up at the boat show tomorrow.

He was saying they can't change pitch on a prop much, but they can adjust cup and one or 2 other things, but that's a last resort. They have free exchange if the prop isn't doing the job, to find something that will.

Good deal, thanks for the info!
Sweet! stoked to hear your results and how you like it. Keep track of RPM's and post back please.

icemanftr
02-01-2018, 10:41 PM
The 2315 Precision Propeller in Spokane, WA. I purchased the 1847 from Nettles. They’re really know what they’re talking about. I purchased the “Diesel” prop from wakemakers. They are clueless when it comes to props.


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Yep I got suckered in on acme 1617 on my LSV and it sucks. Oem was better. Talk to precision and they’re gonna recup it for me.


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Shoebox
02-02-2018, 12:08 AM
Sweet! stoked to hear your results and how you like it. Keep track of RPM's and post back please.Unfortunately I don't really have much of a record of what it was before. My primary problem with my current prop (1235) is it seems to never truly come on plane.

I'll definitely post results when I get back on the water in a couple of months.