Frustrated 16 Mojo owner

[snyderaaron]

I went from a 2010 LSV that had 1100lsb, IBS and ronix shaper. I had the wave dialed in.

With my 16 mojo that has 1280s, IBS and auto surf, I still can't find a wave that compares. I'm starting to think I wasted my money. Granted my usually crew is only 3 ppl n 2 kids, but it still should throw a better wave!


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[Isaguel]

Is it you can't you ride the wave? Or is it that it is not big enough for your standards. We've been PM'ing each other about the settings on my boat. I usually also have a crew of 3-4. My settings are pretty straight forward as I shared with you.
This is my wave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlIgFZf4M1Y

Would you say that it is good? As you can see, the video is pretty boring b/c I can ride pretty effortless. I don't do any tricks -yet-.
I'm wondering if you do not get a ridable wave at all or if you do, like mine, but its just that the wave is not upto a specific standard you want.
I think my wave is good enough and once I get more practice I should be able to do some tricks, pumps, 360's.
Just wondering.

[snyderaaron]

I get a wave, but I have to pump the crap out of it to keep it foing


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[snyderaaron]

Looking at your wave, is kind of what I am getting but no push. My Lsv with shaper pushed like crazy


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[snyderaaron]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/053343357161008dd3d0a15467af5c38.png

My lsv wave


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[icemanftr]

Damn. I would expect a lot more with the weight you have for a 85k boat. I'm sorry man, wish I could help but I have an LSV with a monster wave.


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[Woody929]

If I'm reading correctly you are running all stock? As with most boats, stock is just that... Passable, but not ideal

[icemanftr]

If I'm reading correctly you are running all stock? As with most boats, stock is just that... Passable, but not ideal

1280 lockers is stock?


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[Woody929]

1280 doesn't exist that I know of, but 2 640s are standard I believe.

[mmandley]

1280 doesn't exist that I know of, but 2 640s are standard I believe.

These bags do exist, its a Custom bag I had made for my Mojo and WM now sells them.

[Woody929]

Well if that is the case, he'll need more than the 500lb IBS to offset

[snyderaaron]

Yes have the custom 1280 from wake makers,


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[mmandley]

I went from a 2010 LSV that had 1100lsb, IBS and ronix shaper. I had the wave dialed in.

With my 16 mojo that has 1280s, IBS and auto surf, I still can't find a wave that compares. I'm starting to think I wasted my money. Granted my usually crew is only 3 ppl n 2 kids, but it still should throw a better wave!


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Dont get so Frustrated so quickly, you are in a larger boat, with Auto Wave Controls, it takes time, trust me I know.

I went from my LSV to the Mojo and felt the same way, but you have to take your time and figure it all out, you now have a new Hull to deal with, then you have Auto Flow to deal with, and lastly the wake plate.

Break it down, try just running conventional weighting.

Weight it very similar to your LSV. Load Port 100 star 50-75 hard tank and IBS, then use the wake plate to adjust.

Don't even use the Flow right now. Try that, then start adding Flow settings in after that.

Now with the Flow, as with the Wave Control I am running I know it doesn't like nose weight as much, so if I fill my IBS the wave gets longer with less push.

Don't b lame the boat on your lack of experience with the boat, go back to basics and build on that. I can't give you out of the box settings as I have a different hull then you, but I have surfed your hull when it was the original SA hull and it surfed pretty good on that boat with stock ballast so I have to believe it will surf pretty good with your upgraded set up.

[snyderaaron]

So I do need center tank and IBS completely full? Dealer told me to back off center weight


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[muehlcj]

X 2. Mike is right. Think about how and where you started with your lsv. You didn't just slam it and throw shaper on all same day. Start from the beginning again.

[wolfeman131]

So I do need center tank and IBS completely full? Dealer told me to back off center weight


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my answer is YES.

then work the wakeplate & speed

then start dumping and see what happens.

[snyderaaron]

Still frustrated guys. I have tried everything!!! I believe if I paid 2500$ extra for a surf package that it should take more to surf. I can get a push from about 3 foot from boat, but after that I'm really working it to get back into wave. On the plus side, my wakeboard wake has been amazing! I'm wondering if going back to my suck gate/ronix wakeshaper will make a difference.

[wolfeman131]

Can you post up a video of you surfing?

[snyderaaron]

https://vimeo.com/175643179


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[snyderaaron]

https://vimeo.com/175643880

Here was my LSV wave


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[kaneboats]

How deep is the water where you are surfing? Almost looks like shallow water (under 10 ft.) is keeping the wave from developing properly. I think you are not getting the stern low enough. Not sure if you need to raise your wake plate or lose a little weight up front. Keep us posted.

[snyderaaron]

Water depth is over 50 feet. Wakeplate all the way up in cideo


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[KG's Supra24]

https://vimeo.com/175643179


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What is the setup in this video?

When you cycle through the surf port position, 0-100%, does the face of the wave change dramatically? At one point being non-surfable? What have you settled in at % wise?

Based on the video, I'd be going up % wise or dropping offside weight.

[snyderaaron]

Full ballast, 50% port 10.4 mph


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[KG's Supra24]

Id drop offside weight, nearly 25% or more. I'd try out higher speeds also.

[snyderaaron]

I believe I did try that and still didn't look great


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[KG's Supra24]

Do you feel the autoflow is moving? When you cycle through the %s, is there a significant difference?

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[snyderaaron]

I can see the wave getting longer for sure. But the push isntbthete


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[Woody929]

I know on mine, I run much faster (11.8) but we're all on the goofy side.

[mattsask]

Are you sure your wake plate is moving? Looks to me like your trim tab is down. That wave is not tall at all. Is the cylinder attached at the correct point? That's what I'd be checking if I were you.

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[icemanftr]

How big are you? Looks like you're riding the Byerly buzz, and imo that board is on the slow side. I can tell wave is short on Mojo but it has height, so you shouldn't have to pump so much in the meat of the wave. Try a faster board if you have one accessible and see if that eases the work part of it. Add more bow weight and possibly along the surf side.


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[snyderaaron]

Last time I went full ballast and 700lbs under surf seats. Help a little but still not enough in my opinion. As someone said should still be surf able without adding extra weight


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[snyderaaron]

How big are you? Looks like you're riding the Byerly buzz, and imo that board is on the slow side. I can tell wave is short on Mojo but it has height, so you shouldn't have to pump so much in the meat of the wave. Try a faster board if you have one accessible and see if that eases the work part of it. Add more bow weight and possibly along the surf side.


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Sorry I am 6'4 190


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[nitrodude24]

check your auto flow out of the water for movement. the wire on top of the actuator inside the unit came unplugged on my starboard tab causimg issues for my regular wave on my mojo

[snyderaaron]

check your auto flow out of the water for movement. the wire on top of the actuator inside the unit came unplugged on my starboard tab causimg issues for my regular wave on my mojo

How do I do that?


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[snyderaaron]

Another video today. Wakeplate all the way up, everything full except listed port side a tad, speed 10.8, port setting at 70.
Sweet spot right behind boat


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[snyderaaron]

https://vimeo.com/175766411

I feel the wake gets washed out and isn't consistent which cause lack of push


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[greenmachine13]

All moomba owners feel your struggle . However coming from a LSV to a mojo as well i can tell you the mojo surf wave is a lot better. The main thing is see your wave isn't curling at the back telling me that you don't have enough weight in the back. If you dont already have added weight in the back i would suggest adding 1100 bags in the back . I find the mojos need most of their weight in the rear. I would suggest evenly loading all rear ballast full and slowly increasing the ballast in the front , till you find the best wave. As a guide this is how I run our mojo regular side :

1100 rears full
front ballast ( ibs) 50%-70%
wake plate all the way up
autflow 45%
11mph
passengers all on surf side and back of boat if you can

Really impressed with this setup gives lots of push . You can increase speed to length out the wave . good luck !

[mattsask]

All moomba owners feel your struggle . However coming from a LSV to a mojo as well i can tell you the mojo surf wave is a lot better. The main thing is see your wave isn't curling at the back telling me that you don't have enough weight in the back. If you dont already have added weight in the back i would suggest adding 1100 bags in the back . I find the mojos need most of their weight in the rear. I would suggest evenly loading all rear ballast full and slowly increasing the ballast in the front , till you find the best wave. As a guide this is how I run our mojo regular side :

1100 rears full
front ballast ( ibs) 50%-70%
wake plate all the way up
autflow 45%
11mph
passengers all on surf side and back of boat if you can

Really impressed with this setup gives lots of push . You can increase speed to length out the wave . good luck !
He already stated he has custom 1280's in the v drive compartments. Lack of weight in the rear is not his problem.

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[nitrodude24]

How do I do that?


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key on the boat out of the water flip auto flow switches see if tabs move

[snyderaaron]

key on the boat out of the water flip auto flow switches see if tabs move

I mean I can hear them activate and can notice when I change the percentage


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[snyderaaron]

https://vimeo.com/175913580

Well I got it dialed in. What makes me mad is that it shouldn't take 7 people in the boat to make this wave. No I'm going to have to buy more ballast and my wife with be PO'ed!


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[mgswake]

Are you guys running these boats listed or with even weight? I thought the whole reason for surf systems was to run an evenly weighted boat.

[Isaguel]

Are you guys running these boats listed or with even weight? I thought the whole reason for surf systems was to run an evenly weighted boat.

I have'nt been doing this for long but this is what I have seen.
These surf systems are not the end all, they are additive.
I was running evenly weighted and had a good enough wave.I could glide on the wave without pumping or much effort.
Yesterday I decided to list it. I went 100% port and 80-90%stbrd. I can see an improvement. Wave seemed taller and longer with great push.
The progression goes: weigh it down, list it, add flow surf, add suck gate.
Every intervention has an incremental benefit.
We are all in an eternal search for the perfect wave. We'll see what can be added next.

[beat taco]

https://vimeo.com/175913580

Well I got it dialed in. What makes me mad is that it shouldn't take 7 people in the boat to make this wave. No I'm going to have to buy more ballast and my wife with be PO'ed!


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Every post on here about the best mojo set ups says slam them! 1500 in the bow and 900 in the rear with flow. Good thing they're huge boats.
BTW my kid really likes your 360's, he wasn't so fond of the wave in the first video however, lol.

[snyderaaron]

Hardly put anything in bow


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[nitrodude24]

The thing I found with my mojo was the hull is based of the first gen sa hull the dry weight of the sa was around 5100lbs, the mojo is 4100lbs. Sa factory ballast is 3200lbs mojo with surf is 2500lbs. 1700 lbs difference not including 20 or so in fuel capacity. Point is the mojo needs a lot more weight than it comes with from the factory. The stock configuration is surfable but not the best setup imho. Just my 2 cents.

[Woody929]

These were from today, everything full, my rears are 800 or so I think.
Wake plate all the way up, port setting to 75, speed @ 11
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d9zos91dxtfg2g8/Photo%20Jul%2023%2C%2011%2028%2003%20AM.jpg?dl=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d52n2m8uqiayy92/Photo%20Jul%2023%2C%2011%2046%2048%20AM.jpg?dl=1

[snyderaaron]

How do you get more height though? I'd rather have the height of a wave right now and work on length later?


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[jmvotto]

Lot of mojo owners put 400 to 600 under the seats on port side,

Other than that lead,or people it's a big boat and needs weight

[smorris7]

http://www.pop-products.com
I bought lead from these guys and love it.
Low profile bags that you can stash all over the boat unseen.
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[mmandley]

http://www.pop-products.com
I bought lead from these guys and love it.
Low profile bags that you can stash all over the boat unseen.
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I got mine through them, several friends did as well, the only catch is you need a business dock for the delivery as it comes on a crate and it needs a forklift to unload it.

[dusty2221]

leadwake.com ships flat rate usps.

[smorris7]

leadwake.com ships flat rate usps.

Poor postman!


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[wolfeman131]

I got to check these out in CA at an event and thought they were great. Steel vs lead. Double-lined bags. Free shipping

http://wakeballast.com/

get an extra 10% off by using coupon code Hunter-clement

[c h r i s]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160726/4b096a505b0273a3c8d4ef678b93d4e6.png

Not quite as dense or discrete, but at <$4.00/50lbs a hell of a lot cheaper. Just run some duct tape around the seams to keep them contained.

[snyderaaron]

I just hate the idea of keeping them much weight in my boat permanently


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[smorris7]

I just hate the idea of keeping them much weight in my boat permanently


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A full tank of gas weighs just as much. You will never notice the additional few 100 lbs.


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