I can't get any push out of my XLV what am i doing wrong?

[gpd005]

So I've owned my 09 XLV for a couple of years now and we haven't really tried the surfing thing much, but this new suck gate has me trying a lot of different things and I just can't get any push out of my wave all. I'm running a full 1100# sac in the center, and a full 1100# sac on the port side, with my suck gate on the star board side and the wave looks good but just has no push at all. The sweet spot is almost impossible to fine on it. We were messing around Monday night and actually got the wave to look better with no weight at all in center but I didn't ride it because it started storming right as we figured that out. Any have any thoughts on this or tips on what I can do to make this any better? I'm moved the wake plate all around as well and it just isn't working for us for some reason.

[5:00]

I would post it in the Ronix wake shaper thread https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?27467-Anyone-seen-or-tried-Ronix-Wakesurf-Shaper-on-Moomba-boats

That is where all of the discussion is. Right now it is experimental and difficult to say put it here and do this and that.
The consensus right now seems to be put it just under water level at the start and far back. Fill the rear bags about 70% and 60%, the heavier on the surf side. Fill the front bag and play with the wake plate.

[trayson]

What's your speed?

How many people do you have in the boat?

I have an 08 XLV and the only time I have less than optimal push is when my 10 year old son is the only passenger. As long as I have at least 2 decent sized adults my favorite setup is as follows:


2 to 4+ adults on the surf side
1100 bag full on surfside (regular for me)
1180 gravity bag full in the front basement locker
non surf side bag about 1/2 full (I have 1100's in both lockers)
factory 400 bag (used to be in a rear locker) under the surfside seat from the cooler cutout stretching up to the batteries
Speed 9.5 to 10.5
Wakeplate at 1/4 to 1/2 way down


Now, something to really keep in mind is that the factory platform on the XLV cuts into the surf wave and robs you of push. look at the bottom of the oem platform. it looks like a shovel with a huge lip. No bueno. One of the first things I did to my XLV is made a custom platform from HDPE. Other XLV owners have done the same.

This was the rough dimensions that I went with. later on I smoothed out the pointy edges and made it have rounded corners.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_kz7WRTkWXI/VDhvPMFrW9I/AAAAAAAAUiE/DoumlFrwHy8zmc9t2OyJZgBfb_ZQGNGmACCo/s800/20141010_142437.jpg

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Nice and smooth underneath. No lip.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2jTCBMQ_o80/VNJzeINSjBI/AAAAAAAAXoI/97mkwVJLkZsTmBPM4mbflWmJaysKntozACCo/s800/20150203_134551.jpg

Now I've JUST made a suck gate literally tonight. so I haven't messed with any of that. I had done a ghetto gate last year, but honestly I was underwhelmed. So we'll see what happens when I run a suck gate.

That said, if we don't have a big crew, (like last night) then I put less or no ballast in the non-surfside rear. I've found that if I don't have the people then I don't have enough to offset that non-surfside weight. That said, having the weight on the non-surfside makes a big difference in the amount of push I have. bottom line is that with my setup, as long as I have 2 or 3 adults in the rear corner, I've got push for days.

Also keep in mind that the wave is just one of the factors. the board you have (how fast it is) and your skill level will make a big difference in how rideable the wave is.

Let me know if I can give you any more insight.

[volfan705]

wow that swim Platform looks awesome! I have basically the same boat and color (2007). Want to make another one? I am very interested as I have a bit of a problem with the platform causing a bit of a problem with my wake as well. Seems to make a big spray up in the back

[parrothd]

What's your water depth, you need at least 10 feet or else it's pretty weak wave.

[trayson]

It wouldn't make sense me to make one for you because shipping would be a killer. It's really easy. get some 3/4" HDPE. I used black. Then get some hydroturf and use the DAP contact cement for it. I needed to put another piece of HDPE as a spacer between the brackets and the top sheet. I used the factory screws to attach the new platform to the OEM brackets. I had those grab handles left over from a project I intended to do on my last boat, so I incorporated them into my design. Cutting HDPE is just like cutting plywood. pretty easy and straightforward.

[beat taco]

Or just give the hdpe company your dimensions and they can cut it and round the edges.

[bsharer]

On my 06 XLV

20" Ghetto gate non surfside straight back no angle out
1100 bag full on surfside rear locker
1180 bag full in front locker
400 bag full on non surfside rear locker
400 bag surfside mid boat under radio/batteries
9.5 to 10.5 mph
wakeplate 1/2 to 3/4 down

[5:00]

This is a design I came up with for my swim platform. I have the HDPE and just need time to do it.
The inner line is for Black Tip turf that will sit on top of a 1" HDPE white sheet. I chose the Black Tip because Hydro Turf seems to have done away with, at least their small patterns, in a smooth closed surface. I figure it is less likely to absorb crap and mold with it being smooth with a smooth raised pattern. I am hoping it will stick well to the board. I took the dimensions from a CRAZ platform. It isn't exact because I just took measurements. It is about 2" short but just as wide. The extra 2" would have bumped up the HDPE price a huge amount.

The ovals are hand holds that will just be cut into the plastic. With the rounding you will basically have a 1" diameter piece to grab onto even with thin sport gloves on. Except for the back part and the hand holds (to be sanded) the edges will be rounded 1/2" top and bottom. When that is done the Black Tip will be 1/4" from the rounded edge, the hand holds and the back. I measured the curve of the transom and it should be pretty close to my 2007 XLV.

I printed it on my plotter (vinyl cutter with a pen in it) it looks pretty damn good and I am excited to put it all together. It is untested but if you want I can send the Adobe Illustrator or .EPS file to have it plotted locally.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/platform.jpg

[parrothd]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160624/8a7417edd24be61c5f001d3bd9dcef67.jpg
24x48..

[jmvotto]

Straight ghetto gate , 1250 surf side 1100 non 1180 in belly 500 in the nose

11.2 mph wp all the way up

[trayson]

This is a design I came up with for my swim platform. I have the HDPE and just need time to do it.
The inner line is for Black Tip turf that will sit on top of a 1" HDPE white sheet. I chose the Black Tip because Hydro Turf seems to have done away with, at least their small patterns, in a smooth closed surface. I figure it is less likely to absorb crap and mold with it being smooth with a smooth raised pattern. I am hoping it will stick well to the board. I took the dimensions from a CRAZ platform. It isn't exact because I just took measurements. It is about 2" short but just as wide. The extra 2" would have bumped up the HDPE price a huge amount.

The ovals are hand holds that will just be cut into the plastic. With the rounding you will basically have a 1" diameter piece to grab onto even with thin sport gloves on. Except for the back part and the hand holds (to be sanded) the edges will be rounded 1/2" top and bottom. When that is done the Black Tip will be 1/4" from the rounded edge, the hand holds and the back. I measured the curve of the transom and it should be pretty close to my 2007 XLV.

I printed it on my plotter (vinyl cutter with a pen in it) it looks pretty damn good and I am excited to put it all together. It is untested but if you want I can send the Adobe Illustrator or .EPS file to have it plotted locally.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/platform.jpg

I think that sounds super rad! mine is the diamond molded hydroturf (b stock) and I'm very happy with it. I went all the way to the edges with the hydro, and it's great so far. yours will look better though and with the rounded edge, will be great. Well done. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

I like the handle idea. the stainless grab handles that I put on mine are great. when you're tired after a run, it's fantastic to have something to grab onto and the boat swings by to get you, especially since we ride in rivers with current that can be 3 to 5mph.

[Jceclipse01]

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That's the swim platform on made out of 1 inch HDPE and Hydro-Turf. It turned out great.

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[Klipper]

That's a nice platform! That's what I would like to make for mine. Did you router the edges to be round? Can you send the dimensions/plans?

[jmvotto]

I doubt it's the platform.

There have been tests in WW. With and without will no real differences

But they sure do look nice and if a little spray bothers you ,

With the xlv equal weighted I barely notice it

[parrothd]

It makes difference in the wave, the stock platform cuts into the wave and distorts it. Also you want to make the platform smaller so you have more room to surf. The one posted above looks nice, but sticks out to far..

[Jceclipse01]

I just used a friend's swim platform off of the new Moomba and traced it. And I made it 2 inches shorter. It has worked perfect for us it never touches the wave when your surfing even when the boats fully loaded. I use a half inch router bit and routed both sides. I put 1 Inch spacers on top of the stock brackets to make it the same height as the factory

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[trayson]

I doubt it's the platform.

There have been tests in WW. With and without will no real differences

But they sure do look nice and if a little spray bothers you ,

With the xlv equal weighted I barely notice it

but not everyone runs equal weighted with a gate. I can guarantee you that I've run my 2 boats with the stock platform and with my custom one that isn't cutting into my listed wave, and I can assure you that the stock platforms cut into the wave and you lose push. I wouldn't have spent my time and effort otherwise. And if the stock platforms weren't an issue, then there would have been no reason for skier's choice to come out with the "surf platforms" in the later model boats.

[muehlcj]

It makes difference in the wave, the stock platform cuts into the wave and distorts it. Also you want to make the platform smaller so you have more room to surf. The one posted above looks nice, but sticks out to far..

I know jmvotto and I are buddies so of course I agree with him. But I have to agree with him on this. I've owned SC boats with stock and surf platform and run listed and flat. The platform isn't reducing "push". If you are surfing so close to the boat that 6"-12" of the platform is giving you more room to surf you might consider adjusting your ballast to lengthen the wave. No way you should be riding that close to the platform. The push you speak of should be just in front of the curl not 12" off the platform.

[muehlcj]

but not everyone runs equal weighted with a gate. I can guarantee you that I've run my 2 boats with the stock platform and with my custom one that isn't cutting into my listed wave, and I can assure you that the stock platforms cut into the wave and you lose push. I wouldn't have spent my time and effort otherwise. And if the stock platforms weren't an issue, then there would have been no reason for skier's choice to come out with the "surf platforms" in the later model boats.

They have all the marketing reasons in the world to change to a "surf" platform. Surf sells boats right now.

Run your boat loaded with and without the platform in the same water conditions depth/waves etc. and see if the RPM's change to maintain the same speed. Let me know what you find.

[gpd005]

I'm going to have to pay more attention to what the platform is doing while behind the boat. I had the best push I've ever had this weekend with the suck gate on opposite side, surf side 1100# full and three adults on the surf side two kids on non surf side. Had great push and the best looking wave I've gotten. So now I'm thinking the platform has to be cutting into it. I'm running less weight than I ever had and it's giving me a better wave.

[parrothd]

Running without the platform changes wave by removing weight. The platform doesn't weigh all that much lbs in the grand scheme of things but its weight in that spot does, almost like moving a person to the bow, so it's not a fair test.

If you run enough ballast you'll see the platform cutting into the wave and drag from the platform lip and it acts like giant wing/wake plate pushing the rear end up, maybe not a huge difference, but still a difference..

Grant the platform cutting into the wave isn't causing this guys issues with push, but it does effect the wave, he just needs to learn how to get his surf setup.

[Jordy Dag]

The factory platform has a huge impact on the wave and the lip of that wave. I too read the WW post saying it doesnt affect anything, so I ran a test and surfed without a platform. Huge difference. That is what inspired me to steal Traysons idea and build my own. Lol. Dont knock it until you try it for yourself.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160705/b743f16f2b8dfabc2c6d0e955afab444.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160705/06f77ed45fd8c0603863513b95a32227.jpg

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[parrothd]

Very nice, except for the sharp corners and edges. You should round them.

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[Dandy21]

Question for your guys making the platforms out of HDPE...are you reinforcing it at all or is it strong enough on its own with the the platform brackets? I would think that the platform would flex quite a bit out of HDPE, but I have been wrong many times before?

[parrothd]

Nope, 1in is rock solid, no flex..:cool:

[Dandy21]

Nope, 1in is rock solid, no flex..:cool:

THANKS...I know what I am shopping for soon. Where did you find 1"?

[parrothd]

Amazon prime! Or Iplastics, around $120-$150..

24x48x1...

[parrothd]

24x54x1...

Yikes the price went up, check around, I paid 188.00$ shipped..

https://www.interstateplastics.com/Hdpe-Marine-Board-White-Sheet-HDPWEM~SH.php?sku=HDPWEM+SH&vid=20160705191316-8p&dim2=24&dim3=48&thickness=1.000&qty=1&recalculate.x=111&recalculate.y=23

[trayson]

Question for your guys making the platforms out of HDPE...are you reinforcing it at all or is it strong enough on its own with the the platform brackets? I would think that the platform would flex quite a bit out of HDPE, but I have been wrong many times before?

3/4" does have a little flex, and mine is actually bowed ever so slightly. however it doesn't affect anything and the price difference between 3/4 and 1" was significant,

[mattyg06]

We have a 2011 XLV... before 'suckgate' we filled surf side rear sack fully 1100s, surf side 565 under observer seat, 1800 in the front full, didn't fill opposite side at all. and had 800 lbs of lead spread around. You need a lot of weight to displace the 23' boat but once you do the wave is very nice.

[jmvotto]

I would agree. I like to run it fast around 10.7 to 11.2 and the wave is great.

[NoleAlum]

3/4" does have a little flex, and mine is actually bowed ever so slightly. however it doesn't affect anything and the price difference between 3/4 and 1" was significant,

Where did you all (or ya'll as we say here in GA) get the material for the top of the new platforms?

[5:00]

I got the 1" version from Interstate Plastics. Just look around for HDPE and the color you want. I just started on mine last night. It looks like a snow storm hit my garage. Between the jigsaw, sanding and routing the recessed hand holds it is a mess. The good news is there is no static so easy clean up.

[parrothd]

I got the 1" version from Interstate Plastics. Just look around for HDPE and the color you want. I just started on mine last night. It looks like a snow storm hit my garage. Between the jigsaw, sanding and routing the recessed hand holds it is a mess. The good news is there is no static so easy clean up.
If you're routing the edges I found using a round over bit and having the bit 1/16 or so deep so leaves a nice edge to help cut the hydro..:)

[5:00]

Used a 1/2" bit and no hydro. With my luck it will snag and tear it. I will Dremel sand the edges to finish them.

[trayson]

Where did you all (or ya'll as we say here in GA) get the material for the top of the new platforms?

http://www.pwcmuscle.com/hydro-turf/hydro-turf-sheets.html

If there's a style/color they don't have listed, just ask them for it (look at the full hydroturf website). And you can ask them for a 15% off "forum discount".

[5:00]

Hydro isn't making the molded any more from what I was told. I ended up going with Black Tip instead. I am hoping it works.

[5:00]

I almost completed the routing of my platform last night with the built in hand holds. I have a little bit of touch up on it then time for turf. I won't have it ready for the weekend unfortunately.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4708.jpg

[trayson]

Looking good! Maybe someday I should smooth my edges like yours. But I don't have a Router, so doubtful it'll happen.

[5:00]

The router goes through like it was butter. For as soft as it is for some reason it is not easy to sand. I have worked with acrylic in the past and there was a trick to getting perfect glass like edges, hit it with a torch. I am going to try it on scrap to see if I can get rid of the router marks. HDPE is much softer and different composition so I don't know if it will work.
First I cut it, used a sanding table to square the edges then hit it with the router. Any little bump along the edge shows up in the routing. Without big equipment it is almost impossible to get this stuff perfect. It doesn't need to be anyway but it is tough.

My sanding rig LOL. The board was on top of 3, five gallon buckets to keep it level. It hovered above the sanding table but square against the sanding belt and drum. It worked surprisingly well. I used the drums for the curved back part and for the inside of the hand holds.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4706.jpg

[duch17]

We have been using the Mission Delta and the 1150 in the rear lockers, it seems it works best when there is only a couple people in the boat. around 11mph