The official slam your craz and surf it thread.

[mattsask]

Since there are a number of members starting to dial in their new boats, I thought there should be a new thread specifically about setting up the boat for surfing. Post your setup here with pics and let's get some collaboration happening! I should have something useful to contribute in the next few days.

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[07STI]

I'll post this here and in the CRAZ owner's thread.

I got out with a fellow forum member for a few hours on Friday afternoon. I have to preface this by noting that we were on a river with variable depths of 7-12 feet while surfing. Most of the time, the depth was around 9ft. Water depth was affecting the amount of push we were getting, so we played around quite a bit. Best results were as follows:

Surf side = Port (regular)
Speed = 10.5mph (but I went all the way down to 9.5mph and it was still good)
Ballast = 1,100's in the rear full, center tank full, IBS empty
Autoflow setting = 55%
Passengers = 1 on the port side

The wave was huge with this setup. We probably had too much weight in the back, but that's what it took to get a wave with enough push to go ropeless. I'll try to get out on some deeper water in the next couple weeks to try it with some weight up front.

[BrokeGuy]

I was not able to go rope less unless my center and ibs tank was full. I'm running the stock bags though.

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

[07STI]

What was the rest of your setup? Passengers, speed, autoflow settings, and water depth?

I'm hoping that I can add some weight up front in deeper water and still get good results.

[jtatexc]

Front ibs full I still had plenty of push. We are also finding 55% and 10.4-.5 is best.

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[sandm]

07, next time drive up to the depere launch. would have been MUCH easier than that detour to the other ramp and we'll try some deeper water.
having surfed that boat last summer with factory ballast and again friday, the wave was 100% better on friday and if it would have been some deeper water it would have been solid.
I took a quick snap of the wave as he was dialing it in and has nice shape and length, just need some depth of water to get a little more height and some push to it. was able to ride wireless for a spell tho..
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e194/sandm01/20160520_1334141_zpsythik1vb.jpg

[07STI]

Thanks Scott! Had a great time, despite the detour and relatively shallow water.

I think that pic was prior to me emptying the IBS. After that, the wave looked twice as tall, but also much shorter.

[CRAZy440]

I just went ropeless for the first time Saturday. Second time out! Seemed like it was pretty easy to keep going, good push. Here is my setup:

3 people, 2 guys evenly distributed in back and my wife driving. So had more # on sb side I guess.
Port surf 50%
Wake plate up
Full 900s in rear
Mid full and front ibs 15% (front ballasts 65% on read out)
10.7 MPH recently GPS verified
100ft deep and coooold!

Sorry no photos of just the wake without my goofy butt on it.

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[sandm]

Thanks Scott! Had a great time, despite the detour and relatively shallow water.

I think that pic was prior to me emptying the IBS. After that, the wave looked twice as tall, but also much shorter.

I'll snap a better pic next time... ;)

[07STI]

Me too! Only reason I caught that is it looks the same as the pic I took, which was before emptying the IBS.

Looking forward to getting out again!

[mattsask]

I was tight on time today so I didn't get a chance to fill additional bags. I ran 1100 rears and stock floor tank and 500 ibs. For what it's worth, I wasn't able to ride the wave, just admire them.

Regular wave: 65% autoflow, wake plate all the way up all ballast full except I ran about 80% ballast in opposite locker, speed at 10.8-11.1.***** This seemed to produce the biggest cleanest wave.

Goofy: 85% autoflow, wake plate all the way up, all ballast full except i ran 60% ballast in opposite side, speed at 11.1-11.2.**

I tried weighting the boat evenly at first, but found that I needed to dump some ballast on the opposite side in order to clean up the goofy wave. This also helped the reg wave but it was fairly clean to begin with. Now keep in mind I didn't have any passengers, so just shifting an extra person or two to surf side would likely accomplish the same thing.
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[mattsask]

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[jtatexc]

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Please post how it rides when you get a chance. I want to see if it was me/my crew but when I did that speed with that long for a wave we have very little push. We had to back to about 10.5 and slightly play with settings to clean it up because that length didn't give much push at all.

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[mattsask]

I'm coming from a late 90's mastercraft dd. I could surf that tiny wave all day long on a little hyperlite coex as long as the face was clean. This wave looked to be at least twice the size, although I was expecting larger. I should be able to give you my honest opinion once I get on the wave.

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[zdm751]

I think these pictures can be misleading w wake size. I am running factory ballast (w surf package) and my wave looks huge in person. I am coming from an 05 Avalanche w about 1600lbs of ballast, leaning hard to the surf side. My dealer gave me a sheet showing recommendations for all models and claimed the craz should be set similar to the mojo. It recommended 70/80 for surf tabs, both rears full and a 60/30 rear to front weight ratio. It says the platform should set level with the water if the weight is correct. To much rear weight would sink the platform below water level. I used these settings and was able to surf ropeless for the first time. I liked the wave but felt like it could be longer so I will play around w that. This was with 4 people in boat and wake plate at 50 percent. This was also done it kinda rough water, I will try to get some pictures next outing as well.

[07STI]

Agreed that pics can be misleading.

I'm glad to hear that you were able to surf with your stock setup.

With respect to the recommended setup, it seems like there's conflicting info all over the place. Your dealer gave you a sheet. We have the sticky in the general section with information from Jon at SC. And we also have our owner's manual. I don't know if there are any consistencies between them. Having the platform level with the water line probably makes sense with the stock ballast setup, but if you upgrade the rear ballast, it's going to sink the boat/platform under the water line. You might be able to get it level with water line by adding people up front, but it will definitely be under water.

How much weight did you have in your IBS with your setup? And where were the 4 people in your boat? Just curious how you had the 60/30 (or is that supposed to be 70/30?) weight distribution between rear sacs, IBS, and passengers.

[zdm751]

Yes I have noticed quite a bit of different information as well. 4 people were in the cabin area. Played around putting one up front on surf side but did not notice huge difference, again water was a little rough as well. And yes I meant 70/30, typo. I filled the center/front to around 70 or 75 percent based on factory timer and gauge settings. I was going to try at 100 percent w 4 in the cabin but ran out of time. I have only had it out 3 times now, hopefully as time goes on there will be more information and consistency in how the get the best possible combo.

[Jwredmon101]

I'm not sure why everyone is having a hard time getting the wave dialed .... I literally filled my 900s.. center.. and nose bags till water was spewing out all overflow tubes... set my cruise to 10.8 wake plate at 3/4 and Boom! Sick wave that literally gets my 316 pound buddy going ropeless.. I usualy have about 4 more people in the boat plus me which is about another 1000 pounds ... if I want a longer wave I speed up to about 11 and take wake plate to around 1/2 or make some people sit up front in the bow ... I think my autoflow 2.0 is set at 65% on the plate surfing reg side. FYI my platform sits about 8 or more inches under the water line when I'm at a stand still

[07STI]

I'm not sure why everyone is having a hard time getting the wave dialed .... I literally filled my 900s.. center.. and nose bags till water was spewing out all overflow tubes... set my cruise to 10.8 wake plate at 3/4 and Boom! Sick wave that literally gets my 316 pound buddy going ropeless.. I usualy have about 4 more people in the boat plus me which is about another 1000 pounds ... if I want a longer wave I speed up to about 11 and take wake plate to around 1/2 or make some people sit up front in the bow ... I think my autoflow 2.0 is set at 65% on the plate surfing reg side. FYI my platform sits about 8 or more inches under the water line when I'm at a stand still

Issue for me may have more to do with the fact that my water depth was only 7-9' or so. Perhaps filling everything up and going is all I need to do when in water 15'+. But, I wasn't getting any push with everything full, 2 passengers, and changing speed/autoflow settings at 7-9'. I have also only had 2 passengers in the cabin area.

[wolfeman131]

Issue for me may have more to do with the fact that my water depth was only 7-9' or so. Perhaps filling everything up and going is all I need to do when in water 15'+. But, I wasn't getting any push with everything full, 2 passengers, and changing speed/autoflow settings at 7-9'. I have also only had 2 passengers in the cabin area.

Yep, you have a problem with your water, not your boat.

[07STI]

That's what we figured. I did try 1 time last fall on a lake with depths of 50+ feet and didn't have luck. But, I may not have had my IBS or 1,100's at that time. Don't recall.

[zdm751]

Yea I am stock ballast and my only thought was having the wave longer. I think with bigger rear bags, and a little more speed that could happen. I can't complain though I was able to ride until I got tired with stock ballast, just seems picky w some water conditions. With the 900 lb bags, which brand are you using? Do they push in on the engine bay?

Also I noticed my gauges for the ballast fill are off from the factory, so I think there have been times where my factory ballast were not as full as they could be.

[JeffCook3]

Alright... Filled 900lb rears and center/Ibs to about 75%. Autoflow 2.0 at 65/75. Cruise set at 10.5. Wakeplate at 50%. Couldn't get the boat to plain out with two people in the boat? Did notice rear bags putting about 1 inch of pressure on engine compartment walls.

[mattsask]

Alright... Filled 900lb rears and center/Ibs to about 75%. Autoflow 2.0 at 65/75. Cruise set at 10.5. Wakeplate at 50%. Couldn't get the boat to plain out with two people in the boat? Did notice rear bags putting about 1 inch of pressure on engine compartment walls.
Your boat wouldn't plane? you must have prop or elevation issues holding you back if that's your setup.


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[mattsask]

That's what we figured. I did try 1 time last fall on a lake with depths of 50+ feet and didn't have luck. But, I may not have had my IBS or 1,100's at that time. Don't recall.
Water depth is definitely a factor for you. my wave gets chopped in half when I get into shallower water. It's so noticeable I almost don't even need a depth gauge!

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[JeffCook3]

Figured it out today. With 900s, you've got to have weight in front.

[BrokeGuy]

I was able to get 1100's for the rear. All I have to say is wow. We use to keep alot of weight on the front foot now we have to keep it on the rear.
Both 1100's full, front tank and ibs full, wake plate 1/2 way, port side 50-60%. 4 people in the boat , 1 cockpit, 1 observer, 1 in right, 1 in left rear. Speed 10 to 11

[mattsask]

Finally got to surf the new ride. 1100's full plus stock ibs full. 5 adults and a baby all in the cabin. Probably 1000 lbs of human ballast total.

Regular surf: tab at 65% , wake plate 50%, speed 10.6


Goofy surf: tab at 80%, wake plate 50%, speed 10.8

In both cases we shifted one passenger to the surf side. The wave was big and VERY surfable. 2 of the riders tossed the rope for the first time after surfing their boat unsuccessfully for a few seasons. Could definitely use more weight up front though. I will put a 250lb bag under the bow filler cushion next outing. Here is a pic of the regular wave. I didn't get a pic of the goofy wave, as I'm the only goofy rider in the crew. For reference the rider is 6' 210 ish.
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The rider in the suit is 5'1"
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[Jwredmon101]

242912429224293 had a great time on the craz this weekend ...love surfing this boat.. I'm 220 and 6'0 . Tons of push and length on this wave!!!

[BrokeGuy]

Alright the guy at wake makers recommend a 2775 prop should I go with it or the 2079

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

[Jjdyn0mite]

242912429224293 had a great time on the craz this weekend ...love surfing this boat.. I'm 220 and 6'0 . Tons of push and length on this wave!!!

What is your setup?

[07STI]

Alright the guy at wake makers recommend a 2775 prop should I go with it or the 2079

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

No experience with 2775, but 2079 is awesome!

[BrokeGuy]

With the new 1100s I couldn't go past 12 mph, with everything full running the standard prop.

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

[07STI]

With the new 1100s I couldn't go past 12 mph, with everything full running the standard prop.

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

Same here. I ran 1,100's, full center, and full bow and was unable to plane out last fall. Now, no issue with the 2079

[jtatexc]

Same here. I ran 1,100's, full center, and full bow and was unable to plane out last fall. Now, no issue with the 2079
What rpms are you running when surfing with that prop? I am hitting around 3k with the 2419 on mine all sacked out same as you

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[BrokeGuy]

I'm running 3500 with standard prop.

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

[07STI]

What rpms are you running when surfing with that prop? I am hitting around 3k with the 2419 on mine all sacked out same as you

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Not sure. I'll have to pay attention when I get out next. I know I topped out around 37 or 38.

[jtatexc]

Gotcha. I don't think I've ever tried going over 30mph lmao.

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[07STI]

I don't like running the rpm's that high, but I was curious to see if it'd go over 36. Needless to say, that run was short-lived.

[mattsask]

I'm running 3500 with standard prop.

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull
Are you running the oj 945 or the other less agressive prop?

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[BrokeGuy]

The other less aggressive prop. I didn't think about upgrading the prop, during the build

2016 Moomba Craz
Gunmetal W/ flake
Atomic Orange Accent
Black Deck and Hull

[Jwredmon101]

What is your setup?

900s in the rear.. hard tank and IBS filled till they were pouring out the overflow.. the speed at 10.8 .. wake plate at 3/4 ... auto flow plate i think is at 65%.. easy set up ... some times ill add 2 more 350 pound bags just for fun .. but in this pic only the bags i mentioned previously

[Jjdyn0mite]

900s in the rear.. hard tank and IBS filled till they were pouring out the overflow.. the speed at 10.8 .. wake plate at 3/4 ... auto flow plate i think is at 65%.. easy set up ... some times ill add 2 more 350 pound bags just for fun .. but in this pic only the bags i mentioned previously

Thanks! Upgrading my rear bags after the break in service. Pretty happy so far with stock wave, just want a longer pocket...

[07STI]

Got out on a deep lake today and had no trouble going ropeless. Setup was both rear 1,100's, center tank, and IBS full, wake plate all the way up, autoflow at 55%, and 10.6mph.

IMHO, this is how the boat should come stock...foolproof setup. Wave had plenty of push and felt great. I didn't bother playing around with it because the wave looked good and we had an impatient group. Wouldn't have been worth messing around.

Had a great time!

[jtatexc]

Got out on a deep lake today and had no trouble going ropeless. Setup was both rear 1,100's, center tank, and IBS full, wake plate all the way up, autoflow at 55%, and 10.6mph.

IMHO, this is how the boat should come stock...foolproof setup. Wave had plenty of push and felt great. I didn't bother playing around with it because the wave looked good and we had an impatient group. Wouldn't have been worth messing around.

Had a great time!
We have tried about every weight setup and trim combo possible and that is our best too. We ride 10.8 but that could easily be a difference in setting. I am extremely pleased. I rode both regular and goofy sides tonight and both had great push, and, nice lip. I'm super happy! That is till the prop got jacked :(

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[BrokeGuy]

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Sounds like 1100 is the way to go for everyone. What happened to the prop? Do you have pictures?

[jtatexc]

Some idiot left a rope with small buoy and metal piece attached and it got caught around my prop. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160612/231c225439eb66a75669aa186dd84166.jpg

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[BrokeGuy]

Some idiot left a rope with small buoy

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Dang it. I hope the damage is minimal. I assume that's 2419 too?

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[jtatexc]

Yup. I think they should be able to fix it. I've seen way worse get fixed

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[BrokeGuy]

Yup. I think they should be able to fix it. I've seen way worse get fixed

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Any update on the boat yet?

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[jtatexc]

Any update on the boat yet?

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Yup all good! Local dude got me for 160 on the repair and another 50 to add some cup to it which I am happy I did. Rpms with the added cup are now about 3100 at 10.8mph all sacked out, I am pleased. Finally to a point to just enjoy the boat and not mess with any mods :)

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[Jjdyn0mite]

Ok, I had some time this week and put in a few hours on dialing in my wave. Just to be clear, this is my first real wake boat and I have only surfed behind one other boat, which was a centurion sv233 and it had a pretty crappy goofy wave. We are in south GA, so pretty close to sea level. I have the stock prop (1235 I think). I am goofy footed and my sons are regular. We were all able to surf with the stock ballast without the rope (settings were all ballast full including 500 stock IBS, about 10.8mph, autoflow at about 55, we usually ride with just my family when surfing, sof 5 of us and I'm by far the biggest at 6' 190lbs). I use trim plate up all the way, about 1/2 to 3/4 for the boys. The regular wave was decent, pretty good shape and clean face, just fairly short. My goofy wave was dirty no matter what I tried without listing, and very short. I am a beginner surfer and I felt like I had to work pretty hard to stay in the pocket unless I was right behind the boat, say within 5 feet of the platform. My boys could get back to about 5-10 feet and stay in the wave pretty well.

Anyway, as most of you have experienced, we wanted to make the wave better, so after reading some threads here and other research, I was able to come up with some 1100 fly high v-drive sacs to replace the 650's, and added the wakemakers panel savers. I have also been glued to the wave shaper/suck gate threads here and on the mastercraft and tige owners forums, so we built a couple versions this week to see if they would work on the craz/autoflow. So we got everything set up and went to get some scientific findings:

First, let me apologize for the lack of pictures, I am the only one in my family who seems to realize the importance of photodocumentation of surf waves...

First we filled all ballast up full, 1100 rears, 500 IBS, 700 center. Then autoflow settings were fiddled with. With this setup, we had a much taller wave with good shape on the regular/port side, but it was still dirty on the goofy/starboard side. We set cruise over 11mph, between 11 and 11.6, trim tab down 1/2 and it was definitely much more push than before. Had a real nice curl on the regular side. But the boat was really working hard, RPM around 3500 and even with trim tab all the way down, I had to stand to see over the bow. This was better, but not really what I was looking for.

What I found is that the stock IBS really doesn't give enough weight up front to work well with the upgraded rears. Ragboy at wake9 recommends 25-30% of weight up front, so I added a 400lb sac in the bow (I put it on goofy side bow seat) to give me roughly 900 up front, maybe a little less than 1/3 of my weight up there. To clean up the goofy side, I set the port rear to about 3/4. Speed was around 11mph, trim tab 3/4 to full, auto flow at 60 on goofy side.
THIS is what I was looking for! Clean face and the shape actually looked like a wave with a beautiful round base like I've seen in pictures, and not just a glorified rooster tail. I was free riding about 15 feet back (about where the rope ends). So much more push, I could stay in the pocket all day. Stock, I was working so hard, I could feel my calves burning. With this setup I rode for about 30 minutes and wasn't even tired, but I felt bad about not letting anyone else ride... The other nice thing about adding the extra bow weight was it was far easier to see over the bow and the engine was taking it easy at just over 3000 RPM. Only downside was I caught a big roller and almost sunk the boat :(

Last experiment was to add a suck gate. I made one that has the paddle in the back and attached it below the water line as far back as I could get it. Paddle is has a 20 degree angle and is about 9" x 6". By itself, I was not impressed, it just made a dirty wave with minimal shape. I turned on the autoflow and BOOM! This was probably my best goofy wave yet. The wave actually crossed the midline of the boat and was probably another 5 feet longer keeping all the other settings the same. This was pretty fun and had a huge face that if I were any good I could probably use for spins and tricks, but I'm not there yet... Downsides to the suck gate: 1. It was a bitch to control the boat at slow speeds cause it pulls to the suck gate side, and, 2. the engine was working pretty hard again, 3500 or so RPM so fuel economy would suffer.

My thoughts right now are that the upgraded sacs, extra bow weight, and suck gate gave the best possible wave available to me right now, however I'm not sure adding the suck gate is worth the extra hassle and fuel requirements. I'm pretty sure that I will stick with the non suck gate wave for my day to day activity and maybe add it from time to time for a little extra boost...

Here are my goofy settings (regular/port side is easier to set up and I think you could do it evenly weighted):
Port 1100lb rear sac at 2/3 to 3/4
Starboard 1100lb rear sac full (to overflow)
Center/IBS full (to overflow)
400lb sac on starboard bow seat
Cruise at 11
Autoflow 2.0 at 60
Water 10+ feet deep

I think this setup would make most people pretty darn happy, it sure put a big ol' smile on my face. I have never surfed a competition level wave, but I'm starting figure out what it looks like. I'm trying to figure out how to get the bow weight up without that big ugly sac on my seat. The IBS already pushes my cupholders out of the bow, not sure there's room for a bigger bag up there in the traditional bow of the CRAZ. I may try about 2-300lb lead sacs tucked as far in the bow as I can get it. Anyone else have any ideas?

[beat taco]

Do a fully automated gate

[mattsask]

Ok, I had some time this week and put in a few hours on dialing in my wave. Just to be clear, this is my first real wake boat and I have only surfed behind one other boat, which was a centurion sv233 and it had a pretty crappy goofy wave. We are in south GA, so pretty close to sea level. I have the stock prop (1235 I think). I am goofy footed and my sons are regular. We were all able to surf with the stock ballast without the rope (settings were all ballast full including 500 stock IBS, about 10.8mph, autoflow at about 55, we usually ride with just my family when surfing, sof 5 of us and I'm by far the biggest at 6' 190lbs). I use trim plate up all the way, about 1/2 to 3/4 for the boys. The regular wave was decent, pretty good shape and clean face, just fairly short. My goofy wave was dirty no matter what I tried without listing, and very short. I am a beginner surfer and I felt like I had to work pretty hard to stay in the pocket unless I was right behind the boat, say within 5 feet of the platform. My boys could get back to about 5-10 feet and stay in the wave pretty well.

Anyway, as most of you have experienced, we wanted to make the wave better, so after reading some threads here and other research, I was able to come up with some 1100 fly high v-drive sacs to replace the 650's, and added the wakemakers panel savers. I have also been glued to the wave shaper/suck gate threads here and on the mastercraft and tige owners forums, so we built a couple versions this week to see if they would work on the craz/autoflow. So we got everything set up and went to get some scientific findings:

First, let me apologize for the lack of pictures, I am the only one in my family who seems to realize the importance of photodocumentation of surf waves...

First we filled all ballast up full, 1100 rears, 500 IBS, 700 center. Then autoflow settings were fiddled with. With this setup, we had a much taller wave with good shape on the regular/port side, but it was still dirty on the goofy/starboard side. We set cruise over 11mph, between 11 and 11.6, trim tab down 1/2 and it was definitely much more push than before. Had a real nice curl on the regular side. But the boat was really working hard, RPM around 3500 and even with trim tab all the way down, I had to stand to see over the bow. This was better, but not really what I was looking for.

What I found is that the stock IBS really doesn't give enough weight up front to work well with the upgraded rears. Ragboy at wake9 recommends 25-30% of weight up front, so I added a 400lb sac in the bow (I put it on goofy side bow seat) to give me roughly 900 up front, maybe a little less than 1/3 of my weight up there. To clean up the goofy side, I set the port rear to about 3/4. Speed was around 11mph, trim tab 3/4 to full, auto flow at 60 on goofy side.
THIS is what I was looking for! Clean face and the shape actually looked like a wave with a beautiful round base like I've seen in pictures, and not just a glorified rooster tail. I was free riding about 15 feet back (about where the rope ends). So much more push, I could stay in the pocket all day. Stock, I was working so hard, I could feel my calves burning. With this setup I rode for about 30 minutes and wasn't even tired, but I felt bad about not letting anyone else ride... The other nice thing about adding the extra bow weight was it was far easier to see over the bow and the engine was taking it easy at just over 3000 RPM. Only downside was I caught a big roller and almost sunk the boat :(

Last experiment was to add a suck gate. I made one that has the paddle in the back and attached it below the water line as far back as I could get it. Paddle is has a 20 degree angle and is about 9" x 6". By itself, I was not impressed, it just made a dirty wave with minimal shape. I turned on the autoflow and BOOM! This was probably my best goofy wave yet. The wave actually crossed the midline of the boat and was probably another 5 feet longer keeping all the other settings the same. This was pretty fun and had a huge face that if I were any good I could probably use for spins and tricks, but I'm not there yet... Downsides to the suck gate: 1. It was a bitch to control the boat at slow speeds cause it pulls to the suck gate side, and, 2. the engine was working pretty hard again, 3500 or so RPM so fuel economy would suffer.

My thoughts right now are that the upgraded sacs, extra bow weight, and suck gate gave the best possible wave available to me right now, however I'm not sure adding the suck gate is worth the extra hassle and fuel requirements. I'm pretty sure that I will stick with the non suck gate wave for my day to day activity and maybe add it from time to time for a little extra boost...

Here are my goofy settings (regular/port side is easier to set up and I think you could do it evenly weighted):
Port 1100lb rear sac at 2/3 to 3/4
Starboard 1100lb rear sac full (to overflow)
Center/IBS full (to overflow)
400lb sac on starboard bow seat
Cruise at 11
Autoflow 2.0 at 60
Water 10+ feet deep

I think this setup would make most people pretty darn happy, it sure put a big ol' smile on my face. I have never surfed a competition level wave, but I'm starting figure out what it looks like. I'm trying to figure out how to get the bow weight up without that big ugly sac on my seat. The IBS already pushes my cupholders out of the bow, not sure there's room for a bigger bag up there in the traditional bow of the CRAZ. I may try about 2-300lb lead sacs tucked as far in the bow as I can get it. Anyone else have any ideas?
Apparently the 750 ibs fills up about 90% in the craz. That would be a start. I run 250 under my bow filler cushion and would like to find a way to ditch that bag, but run about 900 total in the nose. I was planning on using some steel plate and mounting it somewhere under the dash.

I'm running 1100's in the rear plus 600 on the floor. That weight up front really helps stretch the wave. I've found I can compensate a bit with the wake plate on regular side, but the wake plate just makes the goofy wave dirty if it's engaged more that 25%

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[Jjdyn0mite]

Thanks for the input, I may keep my eyes open for a 750 bag. I think 200lb in lead wake bags right in the nose would give more leverage than a larger fat sac in the bow seat, but I'm not sure...

[ZJennette]

My first post. Just upgraded the ballast and it is a bad machine. Went from the 650's to a pair of 1140's in the rear everything full and tabs set to 60 and 70 degrees. I am a big guy 6'2" 260 and have no problems. The extra weight is all it needs. 24646

[wolfeman131]

Went from the 650's to a pair of 1140's in the rear everything full and tabs set to 60 and 70 degrees. 24646

What brand & where did you get 1,140 lb bags?

Has anyone had wakemakers fabricate custom bags for a Craz? I had them make some for the SA and they work great.

[ZJennette]

Got them from wake makers they said they are the lsv bags you definitely need to reinforce the diveder panel but dropped in very nicely. I used the panel savers from wake makers. 2464924649

[wolfeman131]

I'll need to call them as I can't find an 1,140 bag on their website.

[ZJennette]

I called them they were super helpful and had the bags in stock.

[ZJennette]

Also forgot to add wake plate is at 3/4 running with cruise set at 10.2

[mattsask]

Reviving this thread because moombaman16 was having trouble finding it. Hope this helps. Also, did anyone else notice wake9 is using a moomba craz in the polar bear event this year? I'm exctied to see how it stacks up and also hear how the boat is set up.

[mattsask]

Been running the enzo bags for a couple sessions now, really happy with the results but just doing a bit of fine tuning with about 400# of steel plate. Here are some pics with everything full plus an extra 400 in the nose. Non surf side ballast was at 80% for goofy wave and totally full for reg wave. Wake plate all the way up, speed between 11.3 & 12+ mph. Stbd furf set at 75% and port at 65%. Water depth was a bit less than I'd like... 12-17 ft. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170524/01c1b1b3443b4e5ee713828c92157df4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170524/4864e51bc1fcfa65e3e06f83c1f31466.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170524/caa81059debc228769de679edf1d92dd.jpg

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[kaneboats]

Looks like a whole lot o' fun!

[PCDan]

This has all been posted but I will confirm ... I took our new Craz out for the first time today. Wave was great with all ballast full but 90% on opposite side of surfer (upgraded to larger sacks). Autoflow at 55-60%, wakeplate at 80%. Speed 10.2 -10.8.

The wave was actually a little too short and steep for the super fast new boards, so we bumped up the speed and ran the wakeplate at 70ish to lengthen the wave.

For those having problems staying in the hook maybe trying a newer high performance board that is super fast will be the ticket.

[stevemarich]

Some pics of the wakemakers 1140 bags, was able to move the bottom of the back wall aft about 5" to help get a little more in. for my craz it took setting timers to 13 minutes to fill , at that it just barely started to come out the vent, should be pretty close to filling the bag full, the ballast puppy is supposed to pump 88 lbs a minute. For the wave in the pic we had both rears 100% center and 500ibs at close to 90 % smartplate 20 % tab at 65% , 2 adults and 2 small kids , 150 sumo under bow filler speed was 10.8 on phone gps , but for surfing it , in order to get enough push for me we had to slow down a little , and bring the smartplate to 0 and the tab to 70 % ,move the sumo to the back, a few times we brought the smartplate up to 25 , but really started to loose the push. Had about 2 board lengths of surfable wave. But was a really great wave was able to pull of my first 360 , so just some more info for those us still getting used to setting their boats, lots of trial and error , but a blast none the less.2578925790

[hawgtitan]

I have a 2016 Craz. I see most people talking about surf tab on port side at 55-65%. I am 5'11" and weigh about 235. The only board I have is a 5'4" Hyperlite Broadcast. To go ropeless, I have to set cruise at 10.5 mph and the surf tab at 35% with wake plate all the way up. If I have a boat full of people I can bump it up to 40%. I can surf 6-8 feet behind the boat like this even though the wave is steep. In the beginning I figured the higher the percentage meant a bigger wave but it seems to me the lower the percentage the steeper wave with more push. Does this make sense to anyone who is smarter than me about all of this?[emoji23]


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[mattsask]

I have a 2016 Craz. I see most people talking about surf tab on port side at 55-65%. I am 5'11" and weigh about 235. The only board I have is a 5'4" Hyperlite Broadcast. To go ropeless, I have to set cruise at 10.5 mph and the surf tab at 35% with wake plate all the way up. If I have a boat full of people I can bump it up to 40%. I can surf 6-8 feet behind the boat like this even though the wave is steep. In the beginning I figured the higher the percentage meant a bigger wave but it seems to me the lower the percentage the steeper wave with more push. Does this make sense to anyone who is smarter than me about all of this?[emoji23]


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You got it. Less percentage equals more push.

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[stevemarich]

With settings we have played with before trying to ride the wave , anything less than 50% on the surf tabs seems to just wash out the wave ,looks like the tab isn't even deployed

[smorris7]

I have a 2016 Craz. I see most people talking about surf tab on port side at 55-65%. I am 5'11" and weigh about 235. The only board I have is a 5'4" Hyperlite Broadcast. To go ropeless, I have to set cruise at 10.5 mph and the surf tab at 35% with wake plate all the way up. If I have a boat full of people I can bump it up to 40%. I can surf 6-8 feet behind the boat like this even though the wave is steep. In the beginning I figured the higher the percentage meant a bigger wave but it seems to me the lower the percentage the steeper wave with more push. Does this make sense to anyone who is smarter than me about all of this?[emoji23]


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I would strongly suggest upgrading your board! You just can't imagine the difference it will make.


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[kat.moona]

I was not able to go rope less unless my center and ibs tank was full.

[DadBod]

I'm trying to find the best fit sac for our 2017 Craz. It came with the 20x20x45 (best estimate) fly high sacs. est weight 750 lbs? The wake is decent but when riding towards the back its tough to stay in the pocket. I've had some very skilled surfers behind her and am looking to improve its recoverability. We've toyed with the plates/speed and reviewed this thread. Adding in extra folks and at times a third sac on the surf side seems to do the trick. So the solution i'm hearing seems like the 1100 sacs are a consistent solution for many on this thread? My question for the group is which sacs fit best? The pocket of the boat seems to be ~24-25" wide and ~46" long. I've looked at the Fly High Jumbo 2016 sacs 24x24x50 and there is a pretty solid deal now for $179 https://www.wakemakers.com/fly-high-jumbo-sac-2016.html I also may get the wakemakers 25x25x45? 1140lbs or even the 25x25x50 1280 lbs and let the extra hang into the forward compartment? https://www.wakemakers.com/wakemakers-rear-lbs-ballast-bag.html

Any advice out there for the best fit/quality/value?

[stevemarich]

25891 1140 or go enzo sacs , takes 13 min to fill the 1140s , I like them , with one person in boat and after playing with the smartplate and tab and speed , can go ropless as far as the 20ft rope will go, add a few more people and very awesome wave

[DadBod]

25891 1140 or go enzo sacs , takes 13 min to fill the 1140s , I like them , with one person in boat and after playing with the smartplate and tab and speed , can go ropless as far as the 20ft rope will go, add a few more people and very awesome wave

Looks great. Forgive my ignorance but were those the 50" or 45" long sac from wakemaker? based on the weight sounds like the 45"? Seems to fit well?

[stevemarich]

the 25x25x45 , they seem to fit perfect, and get some panel savers , i made my own, but you will definitely want some, the 25x25x50 would fit ok if you moved the back panel ,

[mattsask]

I had the 1100's last year and upgraded to enzo's for this season. The difference is incredible. If you're worried about losing too much storage, just fold the arms of the bags underneath the rest of the bag. That way when you have a small crew you can unfold the bags and not sacrifice wave quality for the sake of storage. The enzo's are a few hundred more dollars up front, but you'll be further ahead than if you end up upgrading again down the road. Oh and the enzo's fit great in the craz.


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[The General]

I had the 1100's last year and upgraded to enzo's for this season. The difference is incredible. If you're worried about losing too much storage, just fold the arms of the bags underneath the rest of the bag. That way when you have a small crew you can unfold the bags and not sacrifice wave quality for the sake of storage. The enzo's are a few hundred more dollars up front, but you'll be further ahead than if you end up upgrading again down the road. Oh and the enzo's fit great in the craz.


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After reading this post I'm pretty sure mattsask sold me on the Enzo's lol.
Thanks ����

[mattsask]

After reading this post I'm pretty sure mattsask sold me on the Enzo's lol.
Thanks ����
This should seal the deal.... enzo's full and 4 in the boat.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/29aba599dcc68802ff8115b2cef40c55.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/817ae3b8d49566dbe014cfa1d1555b33.jpg

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[That Guy]

Stock otherwise? Just the factory bow bag under the seats?

[mattsask]

Stock otherwise? Just the factory bow bag under the seats?
400# of steel plate hidden in the nose.

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[stevemarich]

pretty sick looking wave for sure

[Stazi]

I have the 1100 pound bags and the surf package bow bag, and I found that the best wave you can get actually is to reduce the surf plate deployment down to around about 45 to 50%. You would think that this would be worse than having it at 75 or 80%, but it isn't. I have found that when you use a lot of surf plate deployment it makes the wave flatter (skim style) and pushes the convergence point for the wake further across the stern of the boat. With less deployment it makes the wave steeper (huge curl) and a ton more push. The only thing that you have to change when you use less surf plate deployment is that you have to use more wakeplate deployment to around about 45 to 50% as well, but it makes a better wave (steeper) for surf style boards.
We can also increase the speed to around about 11.5 mph.


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[BrokeGuy]

@mattask do you have some more information on the enzos. I'm still running the 1100s

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[mattsask]

@mattask do you have some more information on the enzos. I'm still running the 1100s

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For sure, what would you like to know?

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[The General]

Mattsask, do you pack a lunch when your riding so far behind the boat? Lol. That wave is awesome!

[hscraz]

This should seal the deal.... enzo's full and 4 in the boat.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/29aba599dcc68802ff8115b2cef40c55.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170709/817ae3b8d49566dbe014cfa1d1555b33.jpg

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I've got the Enzos in transit to me as we speak. What plate settings are you using and did you come up with a fill time for them? If my wave is anywhere near that it'll be money well spent!

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[mattsask]

I've got the Enzos in transit to me as we speak. What plate settings are you using and did you come up with a fill time for them? If my wave is anywhere near that it'll be money well spent!

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I think they're set at 13:40 or there abouts. I run wakeplate all the way up most of the time, but sometimes give it a little bump down. I used to use the wakeplate to lengthen the wave but I've found that increasing speed is a more effective way of lengthening the wave without losing push. I run between 11.5 and 12.5 mph depending on crew size. lately I've just slammed all the ballast totally full and favored one passenger to surf side. Surf tabs are set at 65 for port surfing and 75 for stbd. Oh and I run roughly 400# of steel in the nose. If there's less than 4 of us I shift roughly 100# of that steel near the rear bench.

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[hscraz]

I think they're set at 13:40 or there abouts. I run wakeplate all the way up most of the time, but sometimes give it a little bump down. I used to use the wakeplate to lengthen the wave but I've found that increasing speed is a more effective way of lengthening the wave without losing push. I run between 11.5 and 12.5 mph depending on crew size. lately I've just slammed all the ballast totally full and favored one passenger to surf side. Surf tabs are set at 65 for port surfing and 75 for stbd. Oh and I run roughly 400# of steel in the nose. If there's less than 4 of us I shift roughly 100# of that steel near the rear bench.

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Thanks for the info I'm looking forward to trying them out for sure. I'm running 200# of steel in the bow right now so sounds like I may need a little more but I'll see how it goes.

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[Jeepers]

Hope you went with the 2775! 15" is the way to go!

[jeremyu04]

Thanks for the info I'm looking forward to trying them out for sure. I'm running 200# of steel in the bow right now so sounds like I may need a little more but I'll see how it goes.

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Crazy Idea. Has anyone just kept the 900 factory bags and added like 500-750 of lead under the bags? Would put more permanent weight, but would also save time filling and draining. Would use more fuel but hey that's what they do right?

[BrokeGuy]

Does anyone have a picture of the enzo bags in the boat. I'm trying to figure out how much storage im going to lose.

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[mattsask]

All of it. Every last inch under the seats. You'll have room for a couple vests on top of each bag in the v drive compartments, but that's it.
Does anyone have a picture of the enzo bags in the boat. I'm trying to figure out how much storage im going to lose.

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[gravity]

Crazy Idea. Has anyone just kept the 900 factory bags and added like 500-750 of lead under the bags? Would put more permanent weight, but would also save time filling and draining. Would use more fuel but hey that's what they do right?I run about 300lbs of steal plates under my bags. Takes up no room at all. About 1 inch or so. Ryno lined them then put marine carpet over them soit looka like a factory floor. I love the extra wieght.

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[jeremyu04]

I run about 300lbs of steal plates under my bags. Takes up no room at all. About 1 inch or so. Ryno lined them then put marine carpet over them soit looka like a factory floor. I love the extra wieght.

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Great! I think I’m sold on this instead of upgrading my bags. I need some storage. Would like the Enzo bags but still debating about it.

[gravity]

Great! I think I’m sold on this instead of upgrading my bags. I need some storage. Would like the Enzo bags but still debating about it.Its a great way to go. I like the flat plates better that pop bags. But i do have a couple of those also to move around easy. Go to some of the steal plants in your area and see if they have some scrape that will lay in your lokers.

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[parrothd]

Great! I think I’m sold on this instead of upgrading my bags. I need some storage. Would like the Enzo bags but still debating about it.

You can order custom enzo sacs, just shorten them a little to save some storage space or fold the end over works well to, then it's adjustable. That's what I do.

[jeremyu04]

You can order custom enzo sacs, just shorten them a little to save some storage space or fold the end over works well to, then it's adjustable. That's what I do.

I got a new setup for my 18 Craz. Bow and Port ballast 100%, Starboard 93%, Middle plate 25%, Starboard plate 45.

The wave is not as pretty but at 45 it has a ton of push to keep me 230lbs and 6' 1" going! Only thing I have extra is 400 lbs lead in rear and 100lbs lead in Bow.

Could go to about 20 feet back at the end of the rope and could still recover with this. Also had 5 passengers so that helped out a bit too. Would shift the heaviest passenger to rear surf side.

[Snowslydder]

I will try that out. I was running about 4000lbs of ballast, with the middle plate at 14% and the surf plate at 55 with the speed around 11.2 and the wave was really tall but did not have a ton of push.

[parrothd]

I will try that out. I was running about 4000lbs of ballast, with the middle plate at 14% and the surf plate at 55 with the speed around 11.2 and the wave was really tall but did not have a ton of push.

What do you have in the bow?

[flynnva]

Here is a picture of the custom Mojo bags in a Mojo, I’m not sure if the Craz has the same size bench seat. They are 1270’s and give you a bit of room for storage.
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[Snowslydder]

I have the stock ballast of 3000lbs
-900s in the back
-700 center tank
-500 IBS

I have been putting 200lbs of lead in the front. With the other 300 in the back. I also have 2 350lb bags that i put in the back and on the surf side.

I ordered ENZOs yesterday and they will be here Tuesday. I am just going to fold them and I have a crate to put on the starboard side for storage. Just trying to find the right settings for max push

[parrothd]

I run really slow speed like 10.1 to 10.5., 55%, but you need deep water, 15ft+..

[Snowslydder]

I am in lake whatcom and it is crazy deep so depth is not an issue. I Just need to spend more time messing with it. You would think that this would be easier. The only thing i am still trying to grasp is this.

More speed means long wake with more push

Lower speed with more wake plate equals more push

They seem to conflict.

[jeremyu04]

I will try that out. I was running about 4000lbs of ballast, with the middle plate at 14% and the surf plate at 55 with the speed around 11.2 and the wave was really tall but did not have a ton of push.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrREJOaPLtc

Here is the video of me surfing with these setting and trying a 180 lol didn't work just yet.

[parrothd]

I am in lake whatcom and it is crazy deep so depth is not an issue. I Just need to spend more time messing with it. You would think that this would be easier. The only thing i am still trying to grasp is this.

More speed means long wake with more push

Lower speed with more wake plate equals more push

They seem to conflict.

Faster makes the wave length longer and the wave height shorter.

Slower makes the wave lenght shorter and wave height taller.

More bow weight will lengthen the wave but keep the height.

Push is a misleading term, really what you care about is the pocket shape and that it matches your ridding skill.

The surf plate will modify the steepness, steep is harder to ride but will push you more.

[parrothd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrREJOaPLtc

Here is the video of me surfing with these setting and trying a 180 lol didn't work just yet.

If you ride the board backwards{revert} when you switch to healside the fin will be in the back. Much easier to learn, just dip your hand in water.


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[Kxmoomba]

I run about 300lbs of steal plates under my bags. Takes up no room at all. About 1 inch or so. Ryno lined them then put marine carpet over them soit looka like a factory floor. I love the extra wieght.

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Are you trailering with the extra 600lbs of plate in the back? I want to do this and some in the bow but am worried about the extra weight on the trailer.

[gravity]

Are you trailering with the extra 600lbs of plate in the back? I want to do this and some in the bow but am worried about the extra weight on the trailer.I do trailer with the weight. Seems ok. The bow lead does make it a little harder to get on the trailer. Sometimes it is right at the roller so you have to finesse it.

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[Kxmoomba]

I do trailer with the weight. Seems ok. The bow lead does make it a little harder to get on the trailer. Sometimes it is right at the roller so you have to finesse it.

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Perfect, I would consider led bags for the front so I can take them out too, just didn't want to have to move all of it.

[gravity]

Perfect, I would consider led bags for the front so I can take them out too, just didn't want to have to move all of it.I have the steel plates and a fee bags full of tire weights to move around easy.

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[Kxmoomba]

I have the steel plates and a fee bags full of tire weights to move around easy.

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Never thought of tire weights.. that I could find easy. Having a hard time finding steel plates for free haha

[gravity]

8 bucks for the bag at home depot and 55 lbs of free tire weights. I have 2 of these and 2 of the bigher bags and 75lbs in them. 55 is way easier to move aroumd the boat as neededhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/0ad644f7d3097fac20117dbad8e98b04.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/4c3c92aacd3a3baedee40d67330a8e55.jpg

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[Kxmoomba]

8 bucks for the bag at home depot and 55 lbs of free tire weights. I have 2 of these and 2 of the bigher bags and 75lbs in them. 55 is way easier to move aroumd the boat as neededhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/0ad644f7d3097fac20117dbad8e98b04.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180713/4c3c92aacd3a3baedee40d67330a8e55.jpg

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Yep! great Idea!

[jeremyu04]

Hey man did you get actual Enzo bags or the wakemakers custom? They are not being real helpful to me for some reason. Just trying to figure out which fittings and stuff I need to swap all this out?

[parrothd]

Hey man did you get actual Enzo bags or the wakemakers custom? They are not being real helpful to me for some reason. Just trying to figure out which fittings and stuff I need to swap all this out?
Order directly from https://www.fatsac.com/ you can get custom bags made aka enzos for cheaper than wakemakers sells them. It's the same bag..