Enthanol free gas

[ghebert1111]

Is it worth the extra money to use ethanol free gas in my moomba ? It's a 70 cent per gallon difference.

[rdlangston13]

Is it worth the extra money to use ethanol free gas in my moomba ? It's a 70 cent per gallon difference.

No. Never used it and I have never had a problem.

[zabooda]

Ethanol free gas is recommended if you have long periods of storage such as during the winter but if you are gunning gas through it then the cheap stuff is fine. Which leads me up to what I got this week from AMA on E15. So if you have vehicles and toys won't run on E15 this may be of interest.


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U.S. Reps. Bill Flores (R-Texas), Peter Welch (D-Vt.), Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), Jim Costa (D-Calif.), Steve Womack (R-Ark.) and Cedric Richmond (D-La.) introduced H.R. 5180, the “Food and Fuel Consumer Protection Act of 2016” today. The American Motorcyclist Association supports this bill.

The bipartisan legislation would cap mandated ethanol content in the nation’s fuel supply at 9.7 percent and institute a provision that automatically reverts the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s annual Renewable Volume Obligations to the previous year’s percentage if the EPA misses its Nov. 30 deadline. And, finally, the bill would ensure commercially available cellulosic and advanced ethanol has a place under the 9.7 percent cap.

In other words, the bill would stop the federal government from forcing E15 fuel (15 percent ethanol by volume) into the market. Capping the ethanol mandate helps ensure the availability of safe fuels like E10 and a continuing place in the market for ethanol-free gasoline (E0) for older motorcycles. This is important, because the last RVO rule issued by the EPA decreased the E0 supply to just 130 million gallons from 9.2 billion gallons in 2016, despite the fact that the demand for E0 doubled.

[dusty2221]

Everytime we used ethanol free in the 06 in had vaporlock. Literally, every single time.

[Connolly_Crew]

Is it worth the extra money to use ethanol free gas in my moomba ? It's a 70 cent per gallon difference.

Only run ethanol free, 100% Dino is the way to go!

[mmandley]

I only fill with Ethanol Free at the end of the season.

You can by ethanol treatment from Stabil and add that.

Ethanol only gums up things when it sits for long periods with out nothing happening. I burn enough fuel through my boat the most a tank sits is 2 weeks.

[blackout_58]

If reasonably available, I always go for the ethanol free, otherwise I'll go with stabil when not in use for a few weeks with ethanol fuel. Honestly depends on your consumption and frequency of use.

[CRAZy440]

Use cheaper gas with ethanol and then add Biobor EB. Get it by the gallon on Amazon. It will neutralize the bad effects of ethanol; Water absorption, drying out rubber hoses and O-rings, gumming gas... Plus has storage life of 18 months. Use way less than stabil.


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[bergermaister]

Use this in the boat, mower, pressure washer, quads, etc. with zero problems. Clear non-ethanol around here is $4 a gal right now on land, not sure on the water...

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[rca]

Use this in the boat, mower, pressure washer, quads, etc. with zero problems. Clear non-ethanol around here is $4 a gal right now on land, not sure on the water...

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Agreed. Use this in all those items every time.

[jelmhorst]

I like the piece of mind running non-ethanol, even with the .70-.75 difference here. I have a relatively local station that sells it and I fill up in 4 - 5 gal cans at a time so the pump shock isn't nearly as apparent as if I was filling up a tank at a time.

[Darter]

At that price difference I'd probably use ethanol, then rotate in ethanol-free for longer storage spells and end-of-season. Ours is only a $0.15-.30 difference, so we never use ethanol.

[MJHSupra]

Non ethanol in my 07 supra. Had vapor lock issues years ago running eth. No more.


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[zabooda]

Enjoy ethanol free gas at the pump while you can as that will be replaced by E-15 soon if the EPA gets their way. The American Motorcycle Association sent out the following email. EPA did consider E0 for boats but that would be at marinas.


The Renewable Fuel Standard proposal announced May 18 by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency would increase the risk of misfueling for motorcyclists and all-terrain-vehicle owners by forcing the widespread availability of higher-ethanol fuel blends, such as unsafe E15.

Act now by signing the American Motorcyclist Association’s petition to voice your concern. The deadline is July 11.

The EPA's proposed Renewable Volume Obligations call for 18.8 billion gallons of biofuel for 2017, up 690 million gallons from this year. The obligations for 2015 were 16.93 gallons.

By increasing the amounts of ethanol into America’s gasoline marketplace, the EPA will exceed the blend wall by hundreds of millions of gallons! The blend wall is the point at which no more ethanol can be blended without forcing higher blends like E15 and above into the marketplace.

Doing so means ethanol blends of 15 percent or higher would become more prevalent and safe fuels like E10 or E0 could become harder to find.

In fact, the EPA’s RVO proposal intends the E10 blend wall, not as a barrier, but a “transition” with the goal to push higher ethanol levels into the market. The EPA plans on doing this by:
1.Regulation
2.Subsidies for blender pumps
3.Price subsidies to lower the cost per gallon for higher ethanol fuel; and
4.“[A]ctions not yet defined”

The EPA feels confident in its ability to push more ethanol into the marketplace. It states, “To date we have seen no compelling evidence that the nationwide average ethanol concentration in gasoline cannot exceed 10.0%.”

This contradicts the EPA’s past statements. In a regulatory announcement released Aug. 6, 2013, “EPA Finalizes Renewable Fuel Standards,” the EPA said that for 2014 “the ability of the market to consume ethanol in higher blends such as E85 is highly constrained as a result of infrastructure -- and market-related factors. EPA does not currently foresee a scenario in which the market could consume enough ethanol sold in blends greater than E10…”

Remarkably, the EPA still recognizes these same constraints in the current proposal!

An increase in higher-ethanol blended fuel means the availability of E0 – fuel needed for older and vintage motorcycles -- will decrease substantially. Since the distribution network for E15 and E85 is limited, fuel producers may be forced to reduce E0 output to stay within the RVO limits. The proposed rule acknowledges only marine recreationists as users of E0. Motorcycles and other small engines are not mentioned at all.

This is very troubling, because the EPA is calling for higher ethanol blended fuels and the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture is spending your taxpayer dollars to make it happen, despite knowing that none of the estimated 22 million motorcycles and ATVs in use in the United States is approved to use E15 or higher ethanol blends. Using those fuels in motorcycles and ATVs is illegal and may cause engine and fuel system damage and void the manufacturer's warranty.

Moreover, the proposed rule does not mention “misfuel” once in its 84 pages. The risk of inadvertent misfueling will increase as more retail stations sell E15 or higher-ethanol fuel. The rule claims “it is possible that 1,700 stations could offer E15 by 2017.” In comparison, there are approximately 250 stations that offer E15 today.

The EPA opened a comment period to allow the public to voice its opinion on the proposed rule. And the AMA has the tools to make it easy for you to submit comments by signing our petition.

The AMA will submit every name and address with our draft comments to the EPA. There is nothing more powerful than tens of thousands of riders joining together to express their concern with unsafe fuel for their machines.

Now more than ever, it is crucial that you and your riding friends become members of the AMA to help protect our riding freedoms. More members mean more clout against the opponents of motorcycling. That support will help fight for your rights – on the road, trail, racetrack, and in the halls of government. If you are a motorcycle rider, join the AMA at www.americanmotorcyclist.com/membership/join.

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