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onebadssv
02-03-2016, 09:44 PM
So bare with me guys, I know there are so many threads related to ballast options. I have searched quite a bit to get info and most of what I read up on is in regards to surf weight which I'm not interested in at this point, I want huge wake boarding wake.

I own a 2004 supra launch 22. SSV. The boat comes factory with 600lb center ballast and 250 in each rear corner. I am debating about swapping out the center bag for a fly high 1180lb sac. I may consider swapping the rear corners to the fly high 565 bags but don't know how beneficial they would be for wake boarding only. On a typical day I have at least 5-6 people in the boat sometimes more.

I guess my questions are,

-from what you guys have seen or heard would upgrading the center sac from 600 to 1180 make a significant difference in wake?

-do you think the 565 corners would be neccesary with the upgraded center considering my normal crowd?

-lastly I still have factory ballast system ( sprinkler style fillers), do you think it's necessary to upgrade those If I change bags?

Thanks for any input!

jmvotto
02-03-2016, 10:07 PM
Yes, yes and yes. Call spencer at wake makers and he will get you straight

KG's Supra24
02-03-2016, 10:07 PM
Upgrading the center sack is huge! Front weight is important. I assume you have a playpen bow?

With the upgraded front weight, you will need rear, even with the crew. 565's would be a decent option because they would be good weight wise ... in line with the bow weight to get the good wakeboard wake. However, if you are going to buy bags, why not just get something in the 750+ range so you don't have to do it again when you inevitable end up surfing. You don't have to fill them all the way, no problem partial filling and the price difference is minimal up front.

I ran my upgraded ballast on the sprinkler valves. It's slow but it works, easy to trace down any issues. It's nothing to write home about but it works. I would often fill while driving to our spot.

onebadssv
02-03-2016, 10:12 PM
My issue with the 750s is the limited space. They probably wouldn't feel past 565 anyways before pushing on outer walls and front. I worry if there was ever a kink in the overflow that it could cause damage as it over expanded. I want to upgrade all these things but unfortunately it gets a bit expensive and I just blew a BIG load on a full stereo upgrade that will vibrate the wake lol. Ali's there a forum code or anything that would help out with the cost from wake makers or another retailer?

KG's Supra24
02-03-2016, 10:39 PM
On a budget, your crew can act as the counter weight against the 1180. Worst case, you can dump weight out the front but that boat loves nose weight.

I was more pointing out that if you are going to upgrade to anything, might as well go as big as you can. You would have to measure out the lockers. my frame of reference is 05 21v ... 750's filled it. SSV is a little different, bigger back there I thought.

full stereo upgrade you say?

Oh, yes wakemakers offers a forum discount.

KG's Supra24
02-03-2016, 10:44 PM
Oh, another ... that 1180 won't work unless you have the playpen bow.

onebadssv
02-03-2016, 10:52 PM
Thanks for all the info here, I do have the playpen bow ( I think ). Has the padded walk thru to the front that can sit up on either side to separate rear cabin seating and front seating.

I may try just the 1180 first without rear quarters and if I run into some spare money add the rears. Typically no one ever sits in the front, I will have three guys on the back bench, one on the left side, me driving and a yeti 110 right behind me with about 200lb of liquid courage. Lol.

As for the stereo, I took out the factory deck and added a new alpine deck. I replaced all cabin speakers and tower speakers with JL components and added a 3000 watt 12in sub in a ported box in place of the factory 10. I have a sundown 1500-1 amp on the sub operating at 1ohm and an 750 watt amp on the components. I had a custom amp rack built in the battery compartment to seal the Amps and give easy access. The highs are probably 4 times louder than factory and the bass is probably 10x.

KG's Supra24
02-03-2016, 11:03 PM
Yes, that is the playpen. 60/40 front/rear is a good weight ratio to start at. More bow weight is more consistent but lippier, more rear weight takes more speed but gets bigger/rampier.

Have you seen the Audio and Electrical section of the forum? It loves build threads if you have a camera. :)

onebadssv
02-03-2016, 11:23 PM
I'll uncover it and get some good pics in the next few days to show the progress I've made on the boat in the last few months. Thanks again for all the heads up and tips.

I guess when it came down to it I was just curious how much that extra 500lb could actually do in bow weight or rear weight. I didn't know if it would allow me to get the extra wake I need to add a ft of air or take my landings from barely clearing wake to dropping in the flats etc. if it does those things it would be an investment well worth it.

It may help that I ditched my old board and just bought two new boards and binding sets that I'm stoked about, a slingshot nomad 155 with rad bindings and a hyperlite kruz 144. With ronix parks bindings.

jmvotto
02-03-2016, 11:49 PM
FYI the 750 are cheaper that the 565. Plus you can find them all over the forum for sale .

KG's Supra24
02-04-2016, 12:05 AM
I guess when it came down to it I was just curious how much that extra 500lb could actually do in bow weight or rear weight.

For your interest, I'd add bow weight, then rear weight. if doing at seperate times.

By those board sizes I'm guessing you're a bigger guy. I think the bow weight will give you plenty of boost to get the height and distance you need to be clearing the wake.

Joe, jmvotto, makes a solid point about the 750s.

onebadssv
02-04-2016, 12:13 AM
Agreed, def see more used sets for sale on the 750s so I may get lucky and find a good deal in a pair.

As for me I'm 6ft, 215-220. I would consider myself an intermediate rider, just looking for anything I can to get that extra boost of air.

dusty2221
02-04-2016, 07:27 AM
http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1929324

Deal on 750s

onebadssv
02-04-2016, 07:47 AM
http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1929324

Deal on 750s

I saw that last night and was going to email the guy and buy them but the site won't let me register. I have tried 4 times and I never receive the initial activation email. I emailed the site moderators to try and fix it. If someone has an account there will you pm the guy selling them and say you know someone who wants them and see if he will give you his email or phone #?

Thanks!!!!

Chad.taylor07
02-04-2016, 11:43 AM
I messaged you


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dusty2221
02-04-2016, 11:58 AM
There ya go.

trayson
02-05-2016, 01:17 AM
I ran my XLV with the front 650, and then upgraded it to the 1180 and couldn't be happier. Honestly, with ONLY the 1180, the wakeboard wake is a ton of fun.




I'm a slingshot rider myself. I have the Oli with Rad's. It helps that Slingshot is pretty local to us (probably about 90 minutes from home), so they have a strong presence here.

dusty2221
02-05-2016, 07:41 AM
So did you grab those from the guy on ww? I posted over there for ya but it looked like someone else was also trying to get them.

trayson
02-05-2016, 05:40 PM
Another thought regarding the ballast system questions. it's going to be painfully slow to fill/empty your bags with your existing system.

there isn't a ton you can do short of gutting your system and replacing everything. however, Kaneboats has done some stuff that's gotten his a lot better without completely scrapping his system.

He put in a TEE off the thru hull and added a 2nd RULE pump for filling and routed that directly to one of the sprinkler valves. There are also high flow irritrol valves that you could put in, but they are a little spendy for what they are. I believe you should be able to replace the factory 700 drain pumps with something faster. none of it is going to be as fast as it *could* be with the factory 3/4" lines, but you can most certainly get a big boost in performance.

Lastly, with the stock ballast systems you're only using 2 of your 3 ports on each bag, so you could totally get an over the side tsunami pump and supplement the factory ballast with that for filling and emptying.

IIRC, when I went to the bigger 1180 before I changed my ballast pump/line system, I was looking at 20 minutes to fill or empty. I couldn't handle that, so a major upgrade was in order.