Ghetto gates-post your pictures here

[moombadaze]

lets see those ghetto gates

here is mine-2.0
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg.html)

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg.html)

think this simple mod is one of the best

[Derrick]

First try.
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[jmvotto]

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg4_zpssoy212f4.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg4_zpssoy212f4.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg5_zpsjt1aaty6.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg5_zpsjt1aaty6.jpg.html)

[jmvotto]

Video too after I painted it black.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/th_IMG_0856_zpskhmvevxd.mp4 (http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/IMG_0856_zpskhmvevxd.mp4)

[DOCDRS]

lets see those ghetto gates

here is mine-2.0
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg.html)

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg.html)

think this simple mod is one of the best

I like your design. You could easily make it reversible by adding the same stern hinged piece on the other side of the gate

[moombadaze]

I thought about that, but luckily I don't have any goofy riders with me so I get to keep it simple

[sivs1]

Single gate to handle both regular and goofy surfing. I played with the contour a bit to match the hull shape but found no shape or angle that would on both sides.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/de696f4d140bcf6959dd18ca0f63120b.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/de3dfead8b77f85b4c183a7ee97b6117.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/16754991fd2d62e286bfa402d83b355d.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/08/5312a1dc9cdeb9bce22dea0c7c60ed99.jpg

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[sivs1]

lets see those ghetto gates

here is mine-2.0
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg.html)

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg.html)

think this simple mod is one of the best
I like it, foldable is key, mine takes up so much space. Granted I've only spent $10 so far. I think 3.0 needs to fold.

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[jmvotto]

mine fits easily under the back starboard side if front of the ballast, for those with non surf platforms that don't need the extension

[mikenehrkorn]

I definitely wanted foldable too for easier storage.
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Sorry for the bad tapatalk pics

[sivs1]

I wanted to share pics with the gate and pics without. Same surfer, same ballast setup. 06 LSV.
Here is without gate.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/8d45cfd9397303ab182a190d8a4b5da6.jpg

Here is with gate
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/45fb541c0ce6c839989adeefe4fbcb42.jpg

The key difference is how clean the wave is and how much more push you can feel with the gate.

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[trayson]

Here's mine. I have since cut down the rear of it a bit to better match the Axis surfgate dimensions (because I had an axis template). I did mine at the same 22.5 degrees that Malibu/Axis use.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VNbLY8Fiv6I/VRHWaVaENLI/AAAAAAAAYag/0V4DXLzTjpQ/s800-Ic42/20150324_141345.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z2lAz6disok/VRHWUr4RsmI/AAAAAAAAYag/ez80XNKIP2o/s800-Ic42/20150324_141322.jpg

Before cutting it down:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ec34PL94URA/VRHWWFZnXzI/AAAAAAAAYag/UjJk0uAIvrI/s800-Ic42/20150324_141407.jpg

Picture of the gate after cutting it down:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kipOuU_uFRF3m2ENmO8eej3K3LY3UDyA1SO9i3XhKNnWWy1VHU u3Csrr7zEgvr1Ii3h12A=w946-h641

[trayson]

Surf wave without gate:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5Iq0yqZdQfQ/Ve8gevTn7xI/AAAAAAAAaME/kOgevU-xiHY/s800-Ic42/20150904_174223.jpg

Surf wave with gate:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_3L_wJD5mtnJ15XGdA3Mh4ui3Td5yMbORoRq04B9pH0Ay68-T3Wr0KrkF8pOwgb3Nph9sQ=w946-h641

More hook to wave, still a decent amount of push. But not as tall and a little bit longer.

[5:00]

I wanted to share pics with the gate and pics without. Same surfer, same ballast setup. 06 LSV.

That looks like you are riding pretty level what is your ballast setup?
Trayson yours looks level also but I won't ask your ballast setup since you have posted it about 10 times at other requests:cool:.

[trayson]

That looks like you are riding pretty level what is your ballast setup?
Trayson yours looks level also but I won't ask your ballast setup since you have posted it about 10 times at other requests:cool:.

LOL. Yeah, maybe I should have a template to copy and paste my ballast config. Or we could make a forum sticky. or I can add it to my Signature!

[sivs1]

That looks like you are riding pretty level what is your ballast setup?
Trayson yours looks level also but I won't ask your ballast setup since you have posted it about 10 times at other requests:cool:.

Yes, running even weight. ballast is 800 in each rear, full. 400 ski locker, full. 550 IBS, full. Wake plate at 1/4. pics above only have driver on board, 230lbs.

[moombahighrider]

lets see those ghetto gates

here is mine-2.0
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321271_zpshrftoeg3.jpg.html)

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/moombadaze/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg (http://s527.photobucket.com/user/moombadaze/media/20150907_1321161_zps1j48jlip.jpg.html)

think this simple mod is one of the best

Moombadaze, where did you get that bracket/arm you are using to set your gate angle?

[mikenehrkorn]

Looks like the same cane from Walmart that I used....even the same blue color!! :)

[5:00]

Yes, running even weight. ballast is 800 in each rear, full. 400 ski locker, full. 550 IBS, full. Wake plate at 1/4. pics above only have driver on board, 230lbs.

That is impressive. Would be interesting to see some more ballast in that configuration. Now to find some time to actually build one. I purchased the parts a month ago now time to find time.

[sivs1]

at this point I'm not interested in adding more weight, I have 6 bags I could use, but don't like bags on seats and don't want to lose anymore underseat storage.

[moombadaze]

Moombadaze, where did you get that bracket/arm you are using to set your gate angle?

it is a cane, got mine at wallgreens cause wallmart was out

[5:00]

Need to work it out so medical insurance will pay for the cane and I am in.

[sivs1]

Another version of a Ghetto Gate coming out from Eight.3

https://vimeo.com/136953581

Seems simple enough.

[jstenger]

$600 for a plastic wedge that velcros to the side of the boat.

[trayson]

$600 for a plastic wedge that velcros to the side of the boat.

SMH. *facepalm*

and people wonder why wake boat stuff is so damn expensive.

[jmvotto]

Who the heck wants Velcro strip on the side of a wake boat. :confused:

[trayson]

Who the heck wants Velcro strip on the side of a wake boat. :confused:

You'd be amazed at the lengths people would go to "not drill a hole" or in this case to not clamp something on. People are freaky about being paranoid and timid about modifying their boats. I've drilled holes in my boat for ballast pumps, drains, and vents. and for the heater install. didn't bother me a bit. But Velcro I bet would be really appealing to those skiddish about any kind of "mod".

[trayson]

$600 for a plastic wedge that velcros to the side of the boat.

If someone's REALLY wanting a Velcro wedge on the side of their boat, here's a solution that's as cheap as your basic ghetto gate

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/index.php?/topic/57620-24-skateboard-ramp-wedge-yes-please/

[spyder]

after completely guessing on measurements as the boat was in the water... i know have the boat out... looks like i was a *little* off.. no wonder it was basically impossible to steer ;P

http://i.imgur.com/V2SfScbl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QiGX6u9l.jpg

[sivs1]

If someone's REALLY wanting a Velcro wedge on the side of their boat, here's a solution that's as cheap as your basic ghetto gate

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/index.php?/topic/57620-24-skateboard-ramp-wedge-yes-please/

This is surprisingly a good idea and super cheap.

[sivs1]

Here are a few pics of a 2016 Axis http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/7381212c0377d8706a0e5cdfb12fe2f7.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/1a2ee160e934fe5aa0dc5d443f9a2b0f.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/5d90f8562fbd611a7eb209d772477afd.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/72f571576c43f26880bb7319ff8ccfce.jpg

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[kaneboats]

Here's mine:

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[5:00]

Here are a few pics of a 2016 Axis http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/7381212c0377d8706a0e5cdfb12fe2f7.jpg


What actuators are on there? Do you get much drag with them not deployed? Been thinking of going this route but that is pretty permanent with a lot of holes.

[trayson]

What actuators are on there? Do you get much drag with them not deployed? Been thinking of going this route but that is pretty permanent with a lot of holes.

That picture is from an Axis. it's a factory OEM surfgate, so it would have the Lenco "fast" actuators that all the newer Malibus and Axis boats have for their fast transitions.

[sivs1]

That picture is from an Axis. it's a factory OEM surfgate, so it would have the Lenco "fast" actuators that all the newer Malibus and Axis boats have for their fast transitions.

What he said ^^^^

had a chance to see it so thought I would take pictures and share.

[jmvotto]

What he said ^^^^

had a chance to see it so thought I would take pictures and share.

no ghetto in that gate:o

[costanza]

Here's mine:

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This looks awesome!! How's your wake with it, do you find it makes a big difference? Do you have any plans for it, materials used, or more pics? I think this would be perfect for my boat! Anything on it you would change?

[Jeepers]

Why doesn't someone mount a couple of electric trim tabs up to either side of the transom horizontally?

Like these: www.livorsi.com

They're cheap!

[parrothd]

after completely guessing on measurements as the boat was in the water... i know have the boat out... looks like i was a *little* off.. no wonder it was basically impossible to steer ;P

http://i.imgur.com/V2SfScbl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QiGX6u9l.jpg
You need to rethink how to drive. Use the gate as an advantage, we don't even pull the rope in anymore, the boat 180s in front on the rider and the rope floats over to them. You make all turns with the gate, even if that means you 360 or 180..;)

[jmvotto]

We pull from the ski pylon and the rope is long enough over on the non surf side, just pull around and turn into the gate spins on a dime.

[kaneboats]

This looks awesome!! How's your wake with it, do you find it makes a big difference? Do you have any plans for it, materials used, or more pics? I think this would be perfect for my boat! Anything on it you would change?

I've only used it one day and we did not have a full crew so hard to tell exactly how much better it was but it was better. I still have to dial in the weight, speed, etc. a little more. I was able to nail my first 360 on the Danielo Diamond board though.

I bought 2 of the 15 x 20" cutting boards (link below). I used cardboard to mock up the lines from the transom/edge and then traced them onto the cutting board. I cut it with a jig saw. I cut the other pieces based on how big they needed to be from the other cutting board and used the cut offs for the rest of it. Bought a few screws and a $5 turnbuckle at ACE. The rest was stuff I had lying around.

http://www.foodservicewarehouse.com/pinch/cb-2015/p1516179.aspx?selectedProduct=CB-2015BN

[trayson]

Why doesn't someone mount a couple of electric trim tabs up to either side of the transom horizontally?

Like these: www.livorsi.com

They're cheap!

LOL. you think this hasn't been done?

Go over to the MB forum and the Malibu forum and there's a ton of people that have made power actuated surf gates. My friend has an F23 Tomcat and his are power and look as good as an OEM Malibu gate.

The reasons why people aren't doing it is:
1) Cost. most the time you're in for $300 to $500 extra to get the Lenco actuators that are the industry standard (less if you don't use the controller, more if you do)
2) Permanent install. Most are hesitant to do something "permanent" to their boats
3) Trial and error. Once you drill holes in your boat, it's kinda hard to change mounting position or angles. Best to mock it up with a ghetto gate
4) Time and effort. Obviously something that requires drilling and mounting actuators and wiring takes more time than whipping out a ghetto gate in an evening with a couple of cutting boards.


By the way, those trim tab actuators you posted look like they cost $2k to $3k. The Lenco's are WAY more affordable at $200 to $300 each.

[moombadaze]

^^^^and the fact our Moomba's have lots of curves on the rear that make's a permanent hinge very hard to get right

[trayson]

^^^^and the fact our Moomba's have lots of curves on the rear that make's a permanent hinge very hard to get right

OMG, I agree 1000%!!!!!!!!

I did a sweet manual version of the NSS system on my Supra Sunsport. No way I could do anything like that on my XLV. If I do anything, it'll be surf tabs like Russ did. (i.e. something similar to Autoflow 2.0)

[sivs1]

So here is something similar to AutoFlow 2.0 as well as MB's GoSurf Assist.

http://www.amazon.com/Insta-Trim-Boating-Marine-Trim-Tab/dp/B00132J9K6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_200_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=06WR8PBTKES2FPACZW2A&dpID=51TRZn9CsoL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_

I would think this could be done on any of our boats as a DIY and could be very happy with the results.

[moombadaze]

^^^ that's a pretty good price, only issue I have found (06 an up LSV hull) when I was measuring out everything is it looks like the tabs need to be about 9" wide and about 14" long (sticking out) from the transom so that the tabs and actuators can be mounted close enough at the hull to give enough movement for the tabs to deploy enough and still retract enough. they do mention custom plates on there web site

[sivs1]

If I don't sell, I will tackle something like this in the spring along with upgrading my GIII system or as I'm calling it my GIV since I have added the IBS.

[5:00]

^^^ that's a pretty good price, only issue I have found (06 an up LSV hull) when I was measuring out everything is it looks like the tabs need to be about 9" wide and about 14" long (sticking out) from the transom so that the tabs and actuators can be mounted close enough at the hull to give enough movement for the tabs to deploy enough and still retract enough. they do mention custom plates on there web site

Could use those as a jumping off point. From there you can add the cutting board to the bottom to add the length and width. That would allow you to move the board around and experiment without drilling a bunch of holes in the tab. You could offset the board toward the outside so you don't have to place the tab right to the edge. You could try different shapes also.

[moombadaze]

5:00, That was my plan, cutting board under the plates--be very easy to try different shapes too

[Kennyk69]

This was my first shot at a wake shaper. Thanks to Trayson's posts and other write up's it works great, and I won't change a thing.

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[Jason05216]

Another version of a Ghetto Gate coming out from Eight.3

https://vimeo.com/136953581

Seems simple enough.

Only $599

http://www.marine-products.com/eight-3-wake-surf-shaper.html

[sivs1]

Only $599

http://www.marine-products.com/eight-3-wake-surf-shaper.html

Pre-order now! They were the ones that told me about it a few months ago but did not provide details except for the price $600 and Velcro.

[trayson]

Could use those as a jumping off point. From there you can add the cutting board to the bottom to add the length and width. That would allow you to move the board around and experiment without drilling a bunch of holes in the tab. You could offset the board toward the outside so you don't have to place the tab right to the edge. You could try different shapes also.

That's what Boonejeepin did with his surf tabs.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?25577-Surf-tabs&highlight=surf+tabs

[costanza]

Pre-order now! They were the ones that told me about it a few months ago but did not provide details except for the price $600 and Velcro.

Looks interesting... Where can we get industrial Velcro to try to make our own... :D
http://www.wakemakers.com/eight3-wakesurf-shaper.html

[costanza]

also on Ronix site:
http://www.ronixwakestore.com/eight-3-wake-surf-shaper.html/

[5:00]

That's what Boonejeepin did with his surf tabs.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?25577-Surf-tabs&highlight=surf+tabs

Thanks! I was actually subscribed to it but early on and didn't look again. That was pretty amazing that he could do the transfer!

[cbm4ua]

Only $599

http://www.marine-products.com/eight-3-wake-surf-shaper.html

The Ronix system gave me the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp. I picked one up on Amazon for $20 and went to Home Depot and bought Industrial Strength Velcro for $10. I tested the setup yesterday and I was able to get a surfable wake on my 2007 Launch 21V for the first time. I'm running 800lbs on each side in the rear, 650lbs in front ski locker with 400lbs sitting on the seats in the bow at about 9.4 MPH. My wife (driving) is the only person in the boat in the pics below:

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[cbm4ua]

Got the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp ($20 on Amazon) and some Velcro ($10 from Home Depot) from some of the posts above. Pics shown below on my 2007 Supra Launch 21V. 800lbs on each side in the back with 1050lbs upfront (650 in ski locker and 400lbs on bow seats) and my wife driving the boat. Tested it yesterday afternoon and was able to throw the rope for the first time.

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[mmandley]

Got the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp ($20 on Amazon) and some Velcro ($10 from Home Depot) from some of the posts above. Pics shown below on my 2007 Supra Launch 21V. 800lbs on each side in the back with 1050lbs upfront (650 in ski locker and 400lbs on bow seats) and my wife driving the boat. Tested it yesterday afternoon and was able to throw the rope for the first time.

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Looks pretty legit, do you have some pics with out the device, then install the device and get another pic same outing to compare a before and after?

[sivs1]

Got the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp ($20 on Amazon) and some Velcro ($10 from Home Depot) from some of the posts above. Pics shown below on my 2007 Supra Launch 21V. 800lbs on each side in the back with 1050lbs upfront (650 in ski locker and 400lbs on bow seats) and my wife driving the boat. Tested it yesterday afternoon and was able to throw the rope for the first time.

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Saw this on a Malibu and seemed pretty legit, and cheap. Question is, will you continue using this or will you try to figure out something else?

[mikenehrkorn]

Got the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp ($20 on Amazon) and some Velcro ($10 from Home Depot) from some of the posts above. Pics shown below on my 2007 Supra Launch 21V. 800lbs on each side in the back with 1050lbs upfront (650 in ski locker and 400lbs on bow seats) and my wife driving the boat. Tested it yesterday afternoon and was able to throw the rope for the first time.

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I love the simplicity.....but also have some questions:

- do you leave them on both sides all the time or just opposite the surf side like the other gates?
- how, if at all, do they affect steering?
- any issues with them popping off?

[costanza]

Got the idea to use a plastic molded skateboard ramp ($20 on Amazon) and some Velcro ($10 from Home Depot) from some of the posts above. Pics shown below on my 2007 Supra Launch 21V. 800lbs on each side in the back with 1050lbs upfront (650 in ski locker and 400lbs on bow seats) and my wife driving the boat. Tested it yesterday afternoon and was able to throw the rope for the first time.

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Nice one! Was it much of a difference with it on? Very simple solution... What about attaching the ramp to a ghetto gate at the back of the boat??? Anyone tried that? I'll try them both out next summer and report back for sure.. Curious if anyone else has tried...

[cbm4ua]

Nice one! Was it much of a difference with it on? Very simple solution... What about attaching the ramp to a ghetto gate at the back of the boat??? Anyone tried that? I'll try them both out next summer and report back for sure.. Curious if anyone else has tried...

I have only owned my boat since July of this year so I have been struggling to dial in a good surf wake. Part of that is probably my ability (because I'm completely new to the sport) and part of it is probably because the 21V apparently isn't known to be a great surf boat. I had tried listing the boat with no luck (again that could be because I'm just learning to ride). So yesterday with the ramp attached made a huge difference in my opinion. The wake was much cleaner (although I still have a good bit of whitewash) but once I figured out the correct speed the wake finally had good push. Running the boat without the ramp (and evenly weighted) resulted in nothing but a washed out wake.

[cbm4ua]

I love the simplicity.....but also have some questions:

- do you leave them on both sides all the time or just opposite the surf side like the other gates?
- how, if at all, do they affect steering?
- any issues with them popping off?

1) you leave on the non-surf side only and switch it out if you want to change sides. Boat was evenly weighted though so it is a quick transition. I should mention that I haven't tried the goofy side yet.
2) There was a noticeable difference in steering at very low speeds, but it wasn't horrible. It was definitely more difficult to turn to the surfside at idle. But once you got up to surf speed it wasn't very noticeable. I was running at about 9.5 MPH but played around with it all the way up to 12.5 MPH
3) This was what I was most concerned with, but the ramp did not pop off a single time. I think the pressure of the water once the boat starts moving holds it against the boat.

[cbm4ua]

Looks pretty legit, do you have some pics with out the device, then install the device and get another pic same outing to compare a before and after?

I ended up surfing at about 9.4 MPH, but I was initially trying to surf at about 11.4MPH and I took some pictures at those speeds (wake was pretty clean but didn't have enough push). I never got a chance to take more pics at the lower speed, but you can see the difference in the pics below. Also I still have the stock swim platform that is not meant for surfing and it has a lip on it that causes whitewash.

Here is a pic WITHOUT the ramp attached to the side of the boat at 11.4 MPH and evenly weighted:
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Here is a pic WITH the ramp installed at 11.4 MPH and evenly weighted:
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[moombadaze]

^^^^ much improved

[cbm4ua]

took some video the last time I went out with the ramp installed. I also moved my 400lb Fatsac from the bow seats to the middle of the boat in the floor which gave the wave some better height and push. I have discovered that my boat makes a better wake on the goofy side (due to prop rotation I assume).

Port side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ZzasH3W-k

Goofy Side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbaqIs5Gznc (pay no attention to the rider, it was her first time ever trying to surf)

[Fastest1]

Brad that is fantastic! It seems like we could get good waves without totally risking being sunk with this method.

What do you estimate your speed in those videos?

[jmvotto]

with my boat close evenly weight, the regular platform does not touch the wave like it does when it is slammed to one side. my .02

[cbm4ua]

Brad that is fantastic! It seems like we could get good waves without totally risking being sunk with this method.

What do you estimate your speed in those videos?

I was running at 9.0 MPH in that video of the goofy side and 8.8 MPH on the port side. I had the boat evenly weighted with 800lb on each side of the engine, 650lb up front in ski locker, and 400lb in the middle lying on the floor. I do think I could get a decent wave with probably half the weight, but it wouldn't have quite as much height, but it would definitely be more efficient on gas.

[mmandley]

Looks pretty decent, yes I agree you goofy is a much better looking wave.

[jtryon]

I ended up surfing at about 9.4 MPH, but I was initially trying to surf at about 11.4MPH and I took some pictures at those speeds (wake was pretty clean but didn't have enough push). I never got a chance to take more pics at the lower speed, but you can see the difference in the pics below. Also I still have the stock swim platform that is not meant for surfing and it has a lip on it that causes whitewash.

Here is a pic WITHOUT the ramp attached to the side of the boat at 11.4 MPH and evenly weighted:
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Here is a pic WITH the ramp installed at 11.4 MPH and evenly weighted:
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yes but those aren't good comparisons because no one weights their boat evenly for surfing unless they are using a surf gate. do you have a comparison pic of your listed wave?

[Fastest1]

Maybe you don't have to list your boat for the best wave?


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[sivs1]

With the ghetto gate in place I evenly weight the boat. Both rear 800s are full.

[parrothd]

It works better with more weight on the surf side..

[jmvotto]

Yes. About 70/30 distribution

[Packman]

Does the skate board ramp float?

[5:00]

Even if it does I would put a line to the D bolt on the transom and/or fill it with Great Stuff. That thing is black and anything that doesn't REALLY float is hard to see I have found. You don't want another boat hitting it. I am planning on doing this as also. The ramp is hollow and putting the spray foam in will fill the void and keep water from pushing it back or out and keep it floating.

[sivs1]

I'm very hopeful that my SA with Auto Flow installed will not require the use of a Ghetto Gate. granted my 06 LSV and my new to me 13 SA are different animals. honestly I will be disappointed if I need a ghetto gate on the SA to produce a comparable wave to my LSV with a gate installed. I have had a few bites on the LSV, but the more serious ones have been friends and family, so I might be able to do a side by side comparison this season.

[wolfeman131]

if factory installed, your Supra has the SWELL system, not "da FLOW." Little different animal. That year SA hull was designed more for wakeboarding vs surfing, but you should see an improvement vs the LSV.

[sivs1]

if factory installed, your Supra has the SWELL system, not "da FLOW." Little different animal. That year SA hull was designed more for wakeboarding vs surfing, but you should see a dramatic improvement vs the LSV.

LOL, was dealer installed a couple months ago prior to my purchase. Control panel under the dash has it listed as Auto Flow. Plates are not nearly as big as the 2015 and 16's I've seen. I'm sure it will be an improvement, just hope it's worth the difference in price.

[Packman]

Thanks 5:00 I think I might try spraying it with the Krylon neon paint for plastic to.

[wolfeman131]

LOL, was dealer installed a couple months ago prior to my purchase. Control panel under the dash has it listed as Auto Flow. Plates are not nearly as big as the 2015 and 16's I've seen. I'm sure it will be an improvement, just hope it's worth the difference in price.

Interesting. Did they put on the larger, autoflow 2 tabs?

[mmandley]

Supra didn't use Auto Flow, it's Swell much different system and different plates.

[sivs1]

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/50fd4f53e4b0dcfb3cb638d0/55b3e00be4b0addeebb17c5e/55b3e01fe4b0b05a13de6504/1437851683926/2016+Moomba+Mondo+(3).JPG

Looks much like this.

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[wolfeman131]

you/your dealer may be on to something for those with 2013 Supras. I recall that the SWELL wasn't available that year and wasn't able to be added when SWELL was released in 2014. That's a nice solution for someone that wants a surf system.

[sivs1]

I'm looking forward to testing it out. They said it would be between 4-5k to install it, am sure you could get them down a little.

[jstenger]

So do you have the non OEM aftermarket controller?

[sivs1]

So do you have the non OEM aftermarket controller?

There is a control panel mounted under the dash. even though I have bought the boat, I have maybe spent 5 minutes in and around it.

[jstenger]

Does it look like this?

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/Screenshot_2016-01-21-11-43-14_1.png (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/Screenshot_2016-01-21-11-43-14_1.png.html)

[sivs1]

very similar

[KG's Supra24]

I was shopping SA's and a local dealer here is doing exactly what it sounds like they did on your SA. They installed, I believe, the Wakeland system. They used tabs more similar to Flow1.0 than Flow 2.0.

I didn't get a chance to demo it, though.

Tabs ....
http://cdn-9.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/futrellmarine/vp4544676_5_large.jpg

I think that is the controller, posted above, on the right side of the dash.
http://cdn-9.psndealer.com/e2/dealersite/images/futrellmarine/vp4544676_6_large.jpg

[mmandley]

Yup sounds like they did the aftermarket system, which is still a solid setup. The big thing about SC not being able to Retro was automation to the dash. As well as on my Mojo I have the wrong computers in the boat to Retro so I as well have to go aftermarket.

I am sure it will do great.

I surfed the 13 SA with no system installed, Liquid Lead full, 750 soft bag on that, and it wasn't bad. I thought it had pretty good push, was a little shorter then I like but it just needed work. We also had no bow weight except the factory tank.

I think with the Flow device they have installed you will like it a lot.

[sivs1]

Yes, everything above looks like what they did. I am looking forward to testing it out and of course will report back. unlike the gate I built for my LSV out of 2x4's and plywood, There's no Ghetto in that gate!

[kaneboats]

Anybody build a new gate over the winter? Let's see the pics.

[jstenger]

Working on one. But not finished yet.

[tarheelskier]

Going to be building a gate soon, what size cutting boards did you guys use? Any reason not to get the biggest I can find?

[kaneboats]

My info is in post #41:

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?27095-Ghetto-gates-post-your-pictures-here/page5

[jstenger]

Just a couple teaser pics.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160318_193318.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160318_193318.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160318_193302.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160318_193302.jpg.html)

Finished product coming soon. Hopefully it works.

[jmvotto]

Definately curious with those pics.

[996scott]

very interested.......

[5:00]

You can't post a bracket like that and leave us hanging!

[jmvotto]

Yeah. What he said !!

[jstenger]

You can't post a bracket like that and leave us hanging!

Yes I can. I was out of town for Hockey tournament all weekend with my youngest. Hopefully I will finish this week.

[5:00]

For hockey we will allow it. GO CAPS! Hopefully we won't choke in the playoffs as usual. But I digress.

[costanza]

Hey there Joe, where did you buy your cutting board material? Do you have a link for it?

[jstenger]

Hey there Joe, where did you buy your cutting board material? Do you have a link for it?
Sams Club. I think I paid around $10 for it.

http://m.samsclub.com/ip/daily-chef-commercial-cutting-board-15-x-20-/126035

[trayson]

Going to be building a gate soon, what size cutting boards did you guys use? Any reason not to get the biggest I can find?

I started with a huge gate. it was way too much. my boat took FOREVER to get on plane and for the wave to form. I cut mine down to the dimensions of the Axis surfgate. seemed better. But honestly not enough of a benefit to justify using it all the time. My listed setup is best so far.

Giant Gate:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ec34PL94URA/VRHWWFZnXzI/AAAAAAAAYag/UjJk0uAIvrIe4ZJ5XZRh6kNW8zsdI6XxQCCo/s800-Ic42/20150324_141407.jpg

Template to cut it down to Axis dimensions:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ecZojzKoe_E/VRHWborYCMI/AAAAAAAAYag/Mz1PHqSErnQe9wh1rF2VJ1nWYwvr1oo6ACCo/s800-Ic42/20150324_141913.jpg

[jstenger]

Finally got it done today. After drilling all the holes thru the cutting boards and the 1" X 2" aluminum tubing, I started to assemble the gate. I added strips of quarter inch foam to keep it from scratching the hull and swim platform. I designed it to be used on either side. It fits pretty snug, but I plan to drill another set of holes to attach a strap to.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160324_210708.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160324_210708.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160324_211555.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160324_211555.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160324_211707.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160324_211707.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160324_211546.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160324_211546.jpg.html)

[trayson]

Nice job. If that was on my boat (with a custom HDPE surf platform), I'd simply drill a hole in the platform and in the angle braces and drop a hitch pin in the hole and BAM, no straps.

You can see on mine how I'm using the hitch pin at the back corner of mine. Of course your angles are different since you've got a different platform width/shape.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VNbLY8Fiv6I/VRHWaVaENLI/AAAAAAAAYag/0V4DXLzTjpQvl5HMkhkPM2mthFsezkyQQCCo/s800-Ic42/20150324_141345.jpg



AND, if you put a locking hinge where the right angle is on the brace, it would double as the backrest from the other thread! LOL.

[5:00]

Looks clean!

[996scott]

looks great. How big is that cutting board?

[jstenger]

15" x 20" .............

[csm]

Where did you get the bracket? Custom made? Very clean.

[jstenger]

Where did you get the bracket? Custom made? Very clean.
Aluminum 1" X 2" rectangle tubing. I cut a triangle notch out and bent it to a 90 degree angle. I then welded the seam.

[jstenger]

Finally got out on the water to day. Center tank and IBS full. 1100's both about 60% full. Wakeplate all the way up. I will play with it more later. Here are the videos.

Goofy
https://youtu.be/J1T0gVYz2Xw

Regular
https://youtu.be/q_chuQ159X8

[bergermaister]

Did you ride it?

[jstenger]

No, not yet. Top water temp was ownly 55 degrees. We do not own any wetsuits. We need to get some. Video doesn't do the wave any justice. Wife couldn't believe how nice it was without listing the boat.

[jstenger]

Finally got a wetsuit. Water 57 degrees and air around 70 degrees. Both rear 1100's about 75% full and center tank/IBS 100% full. Chase loves the wave. He says it is a lot longer than last year.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160424_140046.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160424_140046.jpg.html)

[jmvotto]

Amazing what a couple of plastic boards can do.

[parrothd]

Now fill the surf 1100 %100 percent, non surf like %50.. ;)

[5:00]

Looks great, how's the push?

[kaneboats]

Is there any consensus on how large the gate should be and whether there is any benefit from having it angle out away from the hull as opposed to simply extending the length of the off-side? The recent suck-gates seem a lot smaller to me but appear to angle out away from the hull. Does that work better?

[mikenehrkorn]

Is there any consensus on how large the gate should be and whether there is any benefit from having it angle out away from the hull as opposed to simply extending the length of the off-side? The recent suck-gates seem a lot smaller to me but appear to angle out away from the hull. Does that work better?

I haven't tried my suckgate yet, but from what I have seen and read it seems that a gate that's around 90 degrees out from the hull doesn't need to be near the size of the gates that hang straight off the stern.

My ghetto gate was like 15" x 20" but my suckgate is only 6" x 9"......once I have a chance to try it out I'll let you know.

[kaneboats]

Yea, we need to kind of dial this thing in. I'm sure every one of these things helps but if we can figure out what helps the most we can streamline the process. I'd love to make something next time that works on both sides. My gate is kind of awkward to store and doesn't work on the goofy (surf) side.

[deeluk]

Took a lot of inspiration from this thread. Loving this gate. Makes our wake surfable! Can't believe how much difference it makes.
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[jstenger]

Found the perfect spot for my getto gate.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20160618_164720.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20160618_164720.jpg.html)

Fits perfect in the wakeboard rack.