2014 and Up LSV Wakesurf Setups

[CamperCarl]

Just looking to see how others are setting up their LSV for surfing. I'm currently running stock ballast, except with the addition of a 650# IBS. I also have the manual flow tabs installed and usually set in position #2. It seems that the LSV is very picky around how it should be weighted. Any suggestions or tips would be welcomed. I tried searching the forum but haven't found much on the LSV.

I typically fill all ballast and just move people around the boat for the best wave. This usually means at least two people in the bow. This gives me a good wave to surf, but not great. The pocket feels short and the wave seems to collapse when trying to cut.

Sorry for the long post.

[kaneboats]

What was the "stock" ballast in 2014?

[CamperCarl]

Stock on the 14 was 600s in the rear lockers and 600 in the center. So given that, I probably have around 2300# of ballast filled when surfing. I would say my IBS is only filled around 500#. I have tried a lot of combinations so far, but i always have the center and IBS completely full and vary the rear lockers from half to full. I usually try to keep both within 25% of each other since i run the surf tabs.

[JoelFett]

Im still trying to find something with enough push to make it work as well as the dealer told me it would. Im currently using 750 surf side, 500 hard tank, 500 IBS and an additional 260 under the seats as well. I surf goofy foot, so it's a real PITA to get it working. Waiting to see if WM puts FlyHigh on sale this week as Ive decided it's time for an 1100 in stbd side locker. Port surf is good with 750, 500, 500 and abt 250-400 in offside corner, even better when both under seat 260's are full.

[CamperCarl]

Im still trying to find something with enough push to make it work as well as the dealer told me it would. Im currently using 750 surf side, 500 hard tank, 500 IBS and an additional 260 under the seats as well. I surf goofy foot, so it's a real PITA to get it working. Waiting to see if WM puts FlyHigh on sale this week as Ive decided it's time for an 1100 in stbd side locker. Port surf is good with 750, 500, 500 and abt 250-400 in offside corner, even better when both under seat 260's are full.

Thanks JoelFett. I might need to upgrade the locker bags myself. I was looking at the 900s and 1100s. Not sure which way to go. We have way too much stuff in the boat to lose too much storage space. I was also thinking of getting a couple portable ballast bags (150 - 250) to move about the boat similar to your setup.

[JoelFett]

I have the Fly High 260 bags (12x12x48). They are pretty portable, but I've decided to permanently install them under the seats for the moment. Though im sure the long fill times will have me getting a 4th pump soon. Those bags fit perfectly, and I prefer the clean look of stowed bags to the bags on seats thing. My GF though, she likes to load the boat with everything that you'd ever need on a boat trip (including 4 rolls of TP and a campfire log, because emergency...) we argue, she wins, I put them there anyway. She whines, I send her to wakeboard and get the peace i was looking for. It works out.

Also, something to keep in mind, at least on my boat, I don't have any 12V plugs, so I had to cut and install clips on my Porto pump. Not sure of the 14's, but check just in case.


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[JoelFett]

This guy has em labeled wrong, but these are the 260 bags.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Fly-High-Pro-X-Fat-Sacs-550-Lbs-/121703342918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c5615a346


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[13mobiusLSV]

Myself and Kevin Riley have been comparing notes since spring after we had the manual flow installed on our 13 LSVs. He runs 1100 in the rears with a 650IBS and I run 900s in the rear with a 500IBS, but the difference in rear weight from surf/non surf side is usually the same. From what we can tell the manual flow on the LSV isn't quite as effective as the manual flow on the mojo in that it still likes a lean for the side you are surfing on.

Usually ill run flow setting 2 for goofy and 3 for regular with surf side full and non surf side at 300lbs, with the wake plate just a touch down @10.8. That will work effectively all day. I'll usually just go with that if there are only 1-3 other people in the boat. When we have a bigger crew then ill take the non surf side up to 400lbs and then you can try to take the flow setting up 1 number to see how you like it. With regular we just have the observers in the seats on the port side with only the driver on opposite. With goofy and the shorter seat behind the driver ill have 2 observers behind me and one on port side behind the glove box. seems to work pretty well. I have no complaints on my goofy wave and some have commented that it looks better than the regular when we have it all set up correctly.

with kevin and his 1100 rears i think he runs about 1100/500 surf to non surf side for those who have the bigger bags. My 900s seem to fill the locker in its entirety, as well as the 500IBS.

I wish could run more evenly weighted as i see the mojo guys do with it, but as you mentioned the lsv seems to be more finicky. Still very happy that I had the flow put on.

hope that helps.

[tater]

22480No Flow,but the LSV loves to be leaned to the surf side,I only have regular surfers in my crew so i have never even attepted goofy side,I have a 1100 in the port locker,750 IBS and 0 in the starboard locker,have every one sit on the port side or in the bow,wakeplate all the way up and adjust from there depending on how many people in the boat speed is 11.0 to 11.5,the photo is not photo shopped just a great angle buy my daughter hanging off the back of the boat,Lol,but it is always waist high and alot of push and a good pocket,shes a handful to drive and have to be very careful picking up riders but my wife has gotten really good driving the boat with the lean minus the bitching about it.

[CamperCarl]

Thanks for all the great feedback. It looks like I need to upgrade the rear lockers with at least 900s. I would love to go 1100 but I think it will take up too much space or so I think. I never took notice of the size(height) of our wave, but I do know that the lip isn't the best.

[kriley]

I would go for the 1100s, you won't gain that much locker space from the 900 to the 1100 bags. You want the weight.. Nick has a killer wake with his 900s though! I tend to overweight the boat...

[CamperCarl]

You guys have me convinced to upgrade the rear lockers. I'm curious as to how long the pocket is for most you LSV surfers. I can ride ropeless now with the basic setup + ibs, put i feel the pocket is pretty short. I know I still have some technique issues, but i would say i can drop back to around 5' from the platform and not be in any trouble. After that it is rolling the dice, if i can recover. What should i expect for overall pocket length. All the photos i see are hard to estimate that distance. Just trying to see if i have unrealistic expectation.

[Sp8]

What lengthened the pocket for me was additional bow weight. I added the IBS and that helped. Then I started putting an additional 500 lb bag in the bow and it really made the difference for us. I fill 1100 regular side to about 85%. Goofy side 750 100%. Ski locker full. 750 IBS full plus 500LB additional bow.

[kriley]

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Long pocket with the bow weight and 1100S

[JoelFett]

Emailed SC today. This was the reply I got...

I spoke to one of our product engineers for Moomba and he confirmed the following with me:

The LSV can actually be a great surf boat and has great surf waves, but requires a more specific setup. I assume it has the manual flow on it already, but that wasn’t really clear.



If it has manual flow, then make sure he adds plenty of weight in the front. With the manual flow system it is very important that the swim platform be level. With the std 650 bags in the back and only the tank in the front, unless you add the front bag, it has way too much weight in the back and not enough in the front for surfing with a surf system. If he has manual flow, then I would recommend this first before immediately changing to AutoFlow.



Joel, you can add this front ballast with a dealer installed bag, your own ballast bag, or adding people weight to the bow. The key to weighting a Moomba with the Flow system is to make sure the swim platform is level. If it is leaning down towards the back, you should add some front weight to your boat.



Also, you don’t have to lean the boat heavily to one side, but if you do have an extra passenger or two, it can help peak out the wakes by moving one or two people to the surfing side of the boat.



We have had good luck with that set-up here. Experiment with that, and let us know how it’s going.



Dan Miller

VP of Sales

Skier’s Choice, Inc.

[CamperCarl]

I will have to try this setup first. I was planning on getting some portable ballast anyway so I will start by placing them in the bow in addition to the IBS. I have noticed that the LSV seems to ride heavy in the rear causing the swim platform to cut into the water flow. Thanks for posting this information.

You ride on Lake Murray? We purchased our LS when we lived down there. We miss it.



Emailed SC today. This was the reply I got...

I spoke to one of our product engineers for Moomba and he confirmed the following with me:

The LSV can actually be a great surf boat and has great surf waves, but requires a more specific setup. I assume it has the manual flow on it already, but that wasn’t really clear.



If it has manual flow, then make sure he adds plenty of weight in the front. With the manual flow system it is very important that the swim platform be level. With the std 650 bags in the back and only the tank in the front, unless you add the front bag, it has way too much weight in the back and not enough in the front for surfing with a surf system. If he has manual flow, then I would recommend this first before immediately changing to AutoFlow.



Joel, you can add this front ballast with a dealer installed bag, your own ballast bag, or adding people weight to the bow. The key to weighting a Moomba with the Flow system is to make sure the swim platform is level. If it is leaning down towards the back, you should add some front weight to your boat.



Also, you don’t have to lean the boat heavily to one side, but if you do have an extra passenger or two, it can help peak out the wakes by moving one or two people to the surfing side of the boat.



We have had good luck with that set-up here. Experiment with that, and let us know how it’s going.



Dan Miller

VP of Sales

Skier’s Choice, Inc.

[JoelFett]

My boat lives on lake murray, in the Pine Island marina down by the dam. We are out almost every day trying to get better at this wakeboarding thing, while hoping to be semi successful at surfing as well. Hoping this advice helps out next time we try it out, but I gotta get that 20 hour service thing done and Charlotte is the nearest dealer now since SC dropped Captains Choice like a hot rock (32 hours on her now... Oops.)

What took you to PA carl? I was there last summer in Cranberry for work, at the Westinghouse building. That place is alright, but it doesn't touch SC for the water.

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[13mobiusLSV]

22498 I've been lazy taking pictures this summer. I'll grab a couple this weekend. That's my cousin a few weeks back just learning. Good length on the pocket.

Hard tank and ibs full
Starboard side full (900), 300 lbs port side.
3 adults sitting on starboard side.
Flow setting 2.

[Mj Mac]

I have a 2010 lsv with 750's in the rear 400 in floor with manual flow. Today I filled port side full, non surf about 250lbs floor 400 full and a 400 on surf side front seat. Flow in 1st position and wake plate all the way up. 11.2 mph and wave was awesome. Have never gone that fast b4 but wave had good push and lots of length.

[CamperCarl]

13mobius, I don't recall my wave looking that good. The closet I came to having something like that is when I had about 7 people in the boat. But I think I had too much weight in the back yet, as the pocket was a little shorter than in your picture. Thanks for giving me a reference. I will have to post some pics next time out.

JoelFett, I remember where that place is. We lived in Lexington, on the outskirts. That lake is awesome. We had a great setup down there. In 15 minutes we could be on the water. Unfortunately, work took me up here. Now my boat is about 2.5 hours away at Lake Raytown. We haven't taken our boat in any of the rivers around here.

[13mobiusLSV]

22602

Sorry I'm late with an updated pic that I promised. Here is the goofy wake with our surf setup that I listed above with 4 adults in boat at setting 2. 1 adult up front and the other 3 all on right side.

Forgot to grab a regular side pic.