Origin Reborn Tower Swivel Wakeboard Racks....Anyone own any of these

[kdcdds]

I have spent the last 3 weeks researching wakeboard swiveling tower racks. I have called Monster, Aerial, Krypt, and Samson. I just discovered a company called Origin. They also make racks called Reborn. They "allegedly" also make the racks for Aerial and Krypt. They look the exact same in the photographs and the measurements are the same. I purchased a Wake/Wake and a Wake/Surf rack and 2 swivel adapters for 404.00
That is basically the price of 1 side with another company.
If anyone has any input on these, please share your experience and information.

I will post photos and follow-ups as I get them and use them.

[kdcdds]

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219 forbothracks
199 for 2 swivels
Free shipping
$418 for both full set ups--that's 209 each
Very impressed with quality




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[kdcdds]

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The swivel is huge
Doesn't rattle and is super heavy


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[Kidder522]

Hello kdcdds.

Question about your set up. I have a 2007 LSV with the Rad a cage. I think it is 2 3/8 in diameter. Is that the same set up you have. Also, I see that you took off the factory racks, would the Origins be able to go on if the factory racks were still on? I am looking as well. They seem to be a great set up.

Richard.

[trayson]

Good find. look like they'll work well.

[Myth]

Could you install the swivel on a 90 angle? It looks like the way it's installed on your boat that the tower wouldn't collapse with the racks/swivel. I'd like to find a way to be able to lower my tower without removing the racks.

[kdcdds]

I put the swivel to the rear first, so it would swing all the way inside the boat, but it swang on an angle. I will play with it again tomorrow.

[kdcdds]

yes it is the rad a cage tower. there are 3 different size rubber shims that come with it so it will fit all tower diameters.
beefy as hell

[kdcdds]

Purchased both sides on ebay. search origin or reborn tower wakeboard and they will come up. they also have about 4 different websites, none of which I can currently remember. it is all the same place. if you call them, the lady will direct you to the website that has the cheapest prices for what you are looking for. the varied websites all come from the same plant in California.
the lady is incredibly helpful. she says they make the racks for Malibu, krypt, etc. you will see the same racks on their websites.

Origin Wakeboard Products
626 228 2780

[trayson]

I put the swivel to the rear first, so it would swing all the way inside the boat, but it swang on an angle. I will play with it again tomorrow.

That's odd it would swivel at an angle. one would think that you could orient the swivel so it's level and in turn the clamp is what can match the plane of the tower... you'd hope that for getting your swivel level that you'd have near unlimited orientation options between the swivel and the clamp.

[kdcdds]

We shall see. I am gonna give it a try tonight, after I attempt an impeller change
Wish me luck
I'm a dentist, so I need my fingers tomorrow


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[trayson]

We shall see. I am gonna give it a try tonight, after I attempt an impeller change
Wish me luck
I'm a dentist, so I need my fingers tomorrow


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On the impeller change, if you don't have a puller, you can use a couple of paint can openers. Also, by all means spray some silicone in there to get it out. I destroyed my old one with needle nose vice grips before using the silicone.

On putting the new one in, they typically come with some lube. then use a big zip tie to get the fins oriented so it'll better slide into the hole. and you tap it in, the zip tie will work itself off the impeller and ultimately slides off the end as the impeller seats itself all the way in.

[Kidder522]

Great. Thank you for the information. They look to be a nice affordable addition to the boat.

Richard.

[kdcdds]

oh man, the impeller change took a whopping 15 minutes. of course, my 77 year old dad was there to supervise me from the lawn chair in the garage, which expedited things a bit.

"boy, spray some wd-40 on it"
"boy, bump the engine"
"boy, use needle nose vice grips"

funny, he was exactly correct. i actually used 2 sets of needle nose vice grips on each side, and pulled on both at same time. slid right out. got lucky maybe

[Myth]

We shall see. I am gonna give it a try tonight, after I attempt an impeller change

Any luck on the rear facing swivel?

[kdcdds]

No rear facing swivel will definately not work. There are 2 swivel spots but
They will only swivel left and right not up and doen


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[Jceclipse01]

Has anyone else tried this. I'm thinking of ordering it.

[JHutch]

I have not pulled the trigger yet, but I am seriously considering it. I thought about just buying the swivel and seeing how it works on the tower before buying the racks.

[Kidder522]

I bought the surf/board combo rack last year and I am very happy with it. Love the swivel. Easy to load and unload and very sturdy. You won't be disappointed.


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[JHutch]

Are you able to get them to swivel all the way into the boat?

[Kidder522]

Not all the way into the boat, but far enough that you don't have to stand on the side of the boat to get your boards out. I'll look for a picture and post it.


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[Kidder522]

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[Kidder522]

Only on I could find. Sorry. It is on the bottom left with the yellow board in it.
Hope this helps.


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[Kidder522]

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[Kidder522]

You can see a bit more in this pic. But not the best. Sorry.


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[Jordy Dag]

Kdcdds, Id like to go the swivel route as you did but I just bought new combo racks last year and Im wondering if my current racks will work with the swivel. Is it possible for you-or anyone else using the origin swivel- to measure the distance of the mounting bolts? Thanks in advance, the picture shows the bolt pattern I need measurements for.http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160406/a271d88ca3e1834f9936bb0e424a64ad.jpg

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[Kidder522]

Boat is in storage and won't be getting it until May. If you can wait that long I will take a bunch of pics and post them for you.


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[Jordy Dag]

Awesome! Thanks!

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[Jordy Dag]

Kidder, Im getting ready to buy these racks and sell my other ones. Do you think a surfboard would fit in the wakeboard slot?

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[Kidder522]

Hey Jordy. Tight call. I have an O'brien alias skim board and it would fit. But I put it into our stock racks that came with the boat. If it is any thicker, no it won't fit. We put a wakeboard in the slot. With the curves and the fins, it just fits better.


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[Jordy Dag]

Cool man. Thanks, I think I have made a decision. Stick with my racks and find a swivel that works.

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[trayson]

Are you able to get them to swivel all the way into the boat?

So, I bought one of these racks and installed it Tuesday evening and took the boat out on Wednesday. my thoughts:

1) we hit some chop and it actually made the spring loaded swivel pin disengage and the rack rotated one position with the 2 boards on it. that wasn’t cool. It also had a lot of bounce with the boards in it. Again, not cool. But I realized that I simply needed to tighten an allen bolt on the swivel and all that play is eliminated.

2) the way that they're made, you mount the tower clamp with the swivel attachment point facing straight out. Then you can mount the swivel onto the clamp so that the swivel sits level. this will make it so that the rack will swivel in a flat plane around the tower bar/clamp. I was able to get mine so that the rack can rotate 180 degrees. at zero degrees, the boards are perpendicular to the bow-stern line (i.e. the boards point to port and starboard with their tip and tail). when motoring, the rack would be at 90 degrees, and hold things like the OEM racks. Then they can be rotated to the 180 degree mark and the boards are again perpendicular to the bow-stern line and are convenient to get off the rack from inside the boat without a lot of effort.

3) The forks are narrower in their width than my OEM racks, so this is actually a good thing for putting my son's wakeboard in it, because the forks aren't wider than the gap between the bindings. Of course with a narrower distance between the forks, the compromise could be in stability on a longer wakeboard.

4) the bungee stretches JUST enough to accommodate a surfboard and a wakeboard. I put my son's phase 5 scamp in there with his wakeboard and it was close to maxxing out the bungee stretch.

5) there is a "quick release" knob that can be mounted on the rack itself so that you could detach it from the swivel. honestly, I didn't see myself ever needing to do this, so I opted to install the rack with the two allen bolts instead of the single knob with the lock washer.

I liked the convenience of a swivel enough that I ordered up a 2nd rack (but with the wakeboard/kneeboard fork). I ordered the first rack/swivel off ebay for the $190 ebay price that was posted up on the forum the other day (thank you). They didn't have a listing for a promo price on the wake/kneeboard combo, so I messaged them on ebay and they said they'd do that one for $200. Still seemed reasonable, so I pulled the trigger on rack #2.

Let me know if you have any questions or if you need any more insight/pictures.

Here's a stock picture that gives a good idea of how the swivel attaches:
http://www.reborntower.com/pic/1418375248591.jpg

[JHutch]

So you can you post a picture of it mounted on your boat? And one of showing it swiveled in?

[trayson]

So you can you post a picture of it mounted on your boat? And one of showing it swiveled in?

I should be able to get one posted up tomorrow.

[Gqjeff]

Yes love to see the positions on the boat. Our slip on r dock is narrow so we have to almost walk to boat in or we hit the damn racks. SO if I can swing them out of the way my life would be complete LOL... With the rack being out without boards and then swiveling it in how much narrower is it if you catch what I'm saying.

thanks

[trayson]

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So with the swivel, it sticks out a minimum of 10".

If you are looking for slim profile, the swivel makes it stick out farther. Either go noon swivel and turn the knob to take the rack off the clamp every time. But honestly the monster rack quick release is way easier and better. Just way more money.

[Gqjeff]

Without the swivel haw far did it stick out before? Also when turned in how far is it still out with swivel? Do you gain any extra clearance on the sides when swiveled or just convenience? If I could just gain a couple inches on each side when turned inward it would make my life easier lol...

[trayson]

Without the swivel haw far did it stick out before? Also when turned in how far is it still out with swivel? Do you gain any extra clearance on the sides when swiveled or just convenience? If I could just gain a couple inches on each side when turned inward it would make my life easier lol...

Oem rack on radacage tower sticks out 10 to 10.5"

Reborn swiveled in = 10"

Reborn swiveled out = 15.5"

Reborn swivel adds 5.25" in out position.

Reborn clamp with rack removed = 1.25"

Reborn swivel with rack removed = 5.5"

All measurements taken from outside of tower tubing.

[JHutch]

So would the swivel work if it faced the transom of the boat? It appears it may swivel all the way in if it did. I am looking for something that will swivel all the way into the boat so it will fit in my slip.

[Gqjeff]

Oem rack on radacage tower sticks out 10 to 10.5"

Reborn swiveled in = 10"

Reborn swiveled out = 15.5"

Reborn swivel adds 5.25" in out position.

Reborn clamp with rack removed = 1.25"

Reborn swivel with rack removed = 5.5"

All measurements taken from outside of tower tubing.
Ok looks like you may gain a 1/2" is all when closed. Def not worth it then. Damn I'm bummed...

Thanks Trayson

[trayson]

Ok looks like you may gain a 1/2" is all when closed. Def not worth it then. Damn I'm bummed...

Thanks Trayson

Yeah, the swivel really doesn't gain your anything. the quick release would absolutely gain you though. on the origin reborn, it's a knob that you twist to remove the rack. It would take less than a minute to do this.

That said, I still like the quick release on the Monster racks better.
https://www.monstertower.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/450x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/b/wbrba-2.5-2_1_.jpg


So would the swivel work if it faced the transom of the boat? It appears it may swivel all the way in if it did. I am looking for something that will swivel all the way into the boat so it will fit in my slip.

So the way that the clamp mounts to the swivel, if you faced the clamp towards the stern, the rack would swivel all the way inside the boat. HOWEVER, unless your tower tube that you're mounting it on it perfectly vertical, the plane that the swivel rotates around would NOT be level to the water. so on my boat, if I mounted the clamp/swivel facing the stern the racks would be level with the water when the boards are in them and the rack is sticking out, and then the rack would swing downward and the racks would be pointing downwards once it was swiveled into the boat. I hope that makes sense.


Hey guys, I have an answer for you though! But it's going to cost you another $140.
http://www.reborntower.com/accessories/125

Reborn has a little extension and if you look at this, it adds another axis upon which you can adjust the mounting of the swivel to clamp!

http://www.reborntower.com/pic/1460711487011.jpg

So, if you look at this picture, the clamp and extension are mounted so that the swivel is pointed at the stern, just like you'd want. I would estimate that this setup only sticks out 2" from the tower tubing. So from a clearance perspective you'd be fantastic. It's just going to cost you $140 more.

So I paid $190 to $200 for my rack and swivel (cheaper for two wakeboard vs. wakeboard/kneeboard). so add another $140 and you get that clearance you're looking for. Yeah, a LOT more expensive, but price is on par with other more "brand name" racks.

[Jordy Dag]

Thanks for the pics man! I was hoping someone would bite the bullet and buy one first. Im sold, pulling the trigger on this!

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[trayson]

So, I did another weekend with the rack, and even after tightening the allen on the swivel, we hit one large bump on some rough water and the rack pivoted from straight out to the next spot inward. I'm going to follow up with the company to see what they have to say. It was actually a little unsettling to have people seated and have the racks start to rotate boards towards their head...

I'll update and let you all know what I hear.

[Jordy Dag]

So, if Im reading this right, the swivel is the culprit, or is the clamp around the tower moving? I thought that locking pin was supposed to hold the swivel from moving until you pull it up? Is the pin spring-loaded? Sorry if Im not picking up what youre laying down.

Edit: my apologies, I just re read post 32. Got it figured now. Keep us posted.

[trayson]

So, if Im reading this right, the swivel is the culprit, or is the clamp around the tower moving? I thought that locking pin was supposed to hold the swivel from moving until you pull it up? Is the pin spring-loaded? Sorry if Im not picking up what youre laying down.

Edit: my apologies, I just re read post 32. Got it figured now. Keep us posted.

yes, the pin is spring loaded. and if I hit some hard chop it's enough to make the rack bounce on the swivel enough to overcome the spring and make the rack pivot one position to the next point the spring loaded pin will engage.

I'll be getting my 2nd rack on Wednesday and I'll be able to compare the spring rate of the two swivels then. Maybe I just have a weaksauce spring? Of course I'll keep you all updated on my findings.

[5:00]

I will throw my recent experience with Bullet Lines into the mix. I got the four tine wake, surf, wake rack several weeks ago with the swivel on back order. I used it for a couple of weeks without the swivel and two more weekends with the swivel.
I got the swivel because the cables for the boat lift will hit the rack and tear it up. Also with a lot of people on the boat there isn't much room for several surf boards and a wake board or two.

I tried a couple of racks and for one reason or another they just didn't work. The Bullet Lines fit the bill perfectly. From the pic you can see that surf boards fit nicely in the wake board slots. The only surf boards that didn't fit properly were two surf style boards.
We have bumped around with them for about a month now and the boards have remained undamaged and the swivel has been working great.

There is enough adjustment that the rack sits level with boat and when it swings in it stays level, not all of them do that. Since the swivel is toward the back it is pretty equal and I can bring the rack in half way with no boards and it isn't in anyone's way and it is just about even with the outside of the boat. You can see that they don't swivel in a full 180* but it is really close. I think they claim 170* pivot. The boards swing in enough to where I can pull into the boat lift and nothing will touch the cables. There are two positive locks, full in and full out. When not locked there isn't any movement and is pretty tight.

I am happy enough that I am buying one more for the starboard side but for wake / wake this time. The boards didn't bang together and it is all solid so far.

I will throw Bullet Lines into the mix. I got the four tine wake, surf, wake rack several weeks ago with the swivel on back order. I used it for a couple of weeks without the swivel and two more weekends with the swivel.
I got the swivel because the cables for the boat lift will hit the rack and tear it up. Also with a lot of people on the boat there isn't much room for several surf boards and a wake board.

I tried a couple of racks and for one reason or another they just didn't work. The Bullet Lines fit the bill perfectly. From the pic you can see that surf boards fit nicely in the wake board slots. The only surf boards that didn't fit properly were two surf style boards.
We have bumped around with them for about a month now and the boards have remained undamaged and the swivel has been working great.

There is enough adjustment that the rack sits level with boat and when it swings in it stays level, not all of them do that. Since the swivel is toward the back it is pretty equal and I can bring the rack in half way with no boards and it isn't in anyone's way and it is just about even with the outside of the boat. You can see that they don't swivel in a full 180* but it is really close. I think they claim 170* pivot. There are two positive locks, full in and full out. When not locked there isn't any movement and is pretty tight.

I am happy enough that I am buying one more for the starboard side but for surf / surf this time.

I will throw Bullet Lines into the mix. I got the four tine wake, surf, wake rack several weeks ago with the swivel on back order. I used it for a couple of weeks without the swivel and two more weekends with the swivel.
I got the swivel because the cables for the boat lift will hit the rack and tear it up. Also with a lot of people on the boat there isn't much room for several surf boards and a wake board.

I tried a couple of racks and for one reason or another they just didn't work. The Bullet Lines fit the bill perfectly. From the pic you can see that surf boards fit nicely in the wake board slots. The only surf boards that didn't fit properly were two surf style boards.
We have bumped around with them for about a month now and the boards have remained undamaged and the swivel has been working great.

There is enough adjustment that the rack sits level with boat and when it swings in it stays level, not all of them do that. Since the swivel is toward the back it is pretty equal and I can bring the rack in half way with no boards and it isn't in anyone's way and it is just about even with the outside of the boat. You can see that they don't swivel in a full 180* but it is really close. I think they claim 170* pivot. There are two positive locks, full in and full out. When not locked there isn't any movement and is pretty tight.

I am happy enough that I am buying one more for the starboard side but for surf / surf this time.

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[5:00]

Not sure what happened with the post above but too late to edit or trash it.

[wolfeman131]

Not sure what happened with the post above but too late to edit or trash it.

PWI

haven't had too many of those lately w/ Newty and Berg having gone AWOL

[trayson]

So, if Im reading this right, the swivel is the culprit, or is the clamp around the tower moving? I thought that locking pin was supposed to hold the swivel from moving until you pull it up? Is the pin spring-loaded? Sorry if Im not picking up what youre laying down.

Edit: my apologies, I just re read post 32. Got it figured now. Keep us posted.

So, I just got off the phone with the USA tech support for Origin Rebound. She was VERY understanding and supportive. She acknowledged 100% that a rack that can have the swivel pin pop up when you hit chop is a definite safety concern. She gave me the email to contact Lily, who is the point person at the manufacturing site in China ([email protected]) and told me that if I need to contact the USA tech support again, that she would be happy to get a supervisor involved for me. Therefore, so far they are being very cool about the issue.

My 2nd rack is supposed to arrive later today, so I'll compare the swivel mechanisms on the two and then contact the manufacturer via email.

Again, I'll keep you all updated.

[trayson]

received the rack/swivel for the other side of my tower. the spring rates on the release for the swivel didn't seem to be all that different between the two swivels. so I guess the test will have to be using them with boards in them on rougher water (side by side).

Boat won't be in the water until this weekend though. Hopefully I can throw the other side on before we go out again.

[trayson]

received the rack/swivel for the other side of my tower. the spring rates on the release for the swivel didn't seem to be all that different between the two swivels. so I guess the test will have to be using them with boards in them on rougher water (side by side).

Boat won't be in the water until this weekend though. Hopefully I can throw the other side on before we go out again.

Took the boat out for the Holiday weekend. We had water that wasn't butter smooth, but wasn't terribly rough either. I put ONE wakeboard in the new wakeboard/kneeboard rack and sadly it experienced the same problems as the other side did. A few different bumps, and a few different releases of the swivel with the board rotating one position on the swivel.

I've been emailing back and forth with the manufacturer (which is time consuming as she's in China). She wants to take back the swivels and test them before sending me swivel replacements. Depending on where she wants me to return these swivels to, I'm not sure if I'm willing to stick with their product. Yeah, it's rad that their prices are the lowest, but if I can't depend on the swivel to stay locked, the racks are NOT worth it.

I'll see what she says as far as the timeline on all of this. If it's going to be a weeks long mess, I might just tell her I want to return everything and then bite the bullet and get the Bulletlines/Krypt racks. I found out the Krypt swivels won't work with the Origin racks. So I'd be having to get the whole Krypt setup. When all is said and done, I'd be spending about $30 more to get a comparable Krypt setup. But it's likely I'll have to take that route if the Origin swivels aren't going to work out.

[trayson]

The more I think about this, the more I'm inclined to get a refund on all the Origin stuff and simply go with the Krypt.


The Krypt swivel mounts differently and affords the ability to rotate the rack all the way into the boat.
the above review showed no complaints with the Krypt swivel latching system
I could get a dual surfboard rack instead of the wakeboard/kneeboard rack that I currently have and that would likely suit my needs better
since both of my swivels had the same problem, I doubt that Origin will be able to get me swivels that function any different.
The time to go back and forth with Origin is likely to be too long and a hassle
The price difference with the Krypt with the swivel add on is negligible at only $30 over what I paid total.


I emailed Origin and am going to seek a full refund/return.

[5:00]

Unless you purchased them directly from China you should only be dealing with the U.S. rep no matter what. The local rep needs to take care of this. I know it is a different culture of business in China and that is fine but I am guessing the transaction was here?

[trayson]

Unless you purchased them directly from China you should only be dealing with the U.S. rep no matter what. The local rep needs to take care of this. I know it is a different culture of business in China and that is fine but I am guessing the transaction was here?

The first transaction was the ebay link. And after I bought the first one, I sent a message to the ebay seller to buy a 2nd one with the wakeboard/kneeboard rack. The reply was from "Lily" who I now know is in China. For the 2nd one, it was a paypal invoice from the ebay seller (Lily) directly.

So the manufacturer in China (Lily) is the one that was selling on ebay. However, my items were shipped from City of Industry, CA which is where their Warehouse is located. They do have a "local" person in Texas (Susan) who I just spoke to. Susan doesn't have the authority to authorize returns, and her role is to be available for customer service/sales type questions. I guess I'll need to get that return authorization from Lily and will ultimately be sending them back to CA. So I'm waiting for the reply from Lily in China right now.

Bottom line: once I get my return authorization, I'll be ordering the Krypt racks. Origin was a great idea, but for the extra $30 it's a no brainer to go with the Krypt based alone on the fact that they can swivel all the way inside the boat, which will be a huge plus for a lot of the guys here.

If you look online, you'll see that there's more than one website for the same products, so that's even more confusion! LOL
http://www.originwakeboard.com/

http://www.reborntower.com/

[5:00]

That all seem legit then for sure. At least you only need to ship to CA but it will take time. The season might be up by then and no time to test the new ones?
I am happy with the Krypt rack I got this summer. I am going to get a second one.
I am surprised with the trouble you had, I had heard some good things about Origin.

[trayson]

That all seem legit then for sure. At least you only need to ship to CA but it will take time. The season might be up by then and no time to test the new ones?
I am happy with the Krypt rack I got this summer. I am going to get a second one.
I am surprised with the trouble you had, I had heard some good things about Origin.

well, as long as the krypt racks will have the swivel be rock solid with boards in them, even through nasty chop; then I'll be happy. When the racks pivot on their own even with just mild bumps, it's not cool and makes for a frustrating experience. I certainly don't want the "locking" pin to pop loose and have a passenger take a wakeboard edge in the head. Plus, the way the Krypt ones swivel will be better as they'll be able to come completely inside the boat. that will be a huge bonus by itself.

[Gqjeff]

So I would need to buy the swivel and the arm to retrofit my original Origin racks correct? $240 each rack.

[trayson]

So I would need to buy the swivel and the arm to retrofit my original Origin racks correct? $240 each rack.

You'd be better off buying the Krypt racks that have the swivels that go all the way inside the boat; and then sell your origin racks on ebay or CL. you'd be money ahead.

Update on mine:

Lily at Origin offered to send me a new swivel to test and if it worked she'd send me another one (so I'd have 2 new swivels) and if it didn't work I could return my stuff. I told her that I didn't want to take the time to go back and forth, and that I'd just prefer to get a return authorization to return it all and be done with it.
Origin asked me for dimensions and weight on returning the racks/swivels to CA. They are going to get me a return shipping label.

I'll soon be pulling the trigger on the Krypt racks.

[Gqjeff]

link to Krypt rack with swivel?

[trayson]

And now an update on the Krypt Bulletlines racks.

I just got off the phone with him and found that there are 2 different swivels. The swivel on the 'budget' racks only rotates 135 degrees. The swivel on the "quick release" racks is the one pictured on their website at the bottom of the page with all the racks and it rotates and locks at both 135 degrees and also at 170 degrees. He said that the quick release racks are wider/longer and are made of a higher grade aluminum. I'm going to email him to see about getting a picture of the swivel that's on the budget racks, since that's not pictured on their website.


I don't like how expensive/complex this has gotten. :-(

[trayson]

link to Krypt rack with swivel?

http://www.bulletlines.com/Wakeboard-Tower-Racks-s/2.htm

So their "budget" racks are the ones that aren't listed as "quick release". They have the option to add a swivel onto them when you are ordering them, but it's a swivel that only rotates 135 degrees. That might be "good enough", but I'm getting a picture of the swivel from them so I can see how different the budget swivel is vs their swivel that is on the more expensive quick release racks. (that locks at 135 and 170 degrees). I'll post up ASAP when I get that picture. In the meantime, see what I wrote below about my Krypt findings thus far...


And now an update on the Krypt Bulletlines racks.

I just got off the phone with him and found that there are 2 different swivels. The swivel on the 'budget' racks only rotates 135 degrees. The swivel on the "quick release" racks is the one pictured on their website at the bottom of the page with all the racks and it rotates and locks at both 135 degrees and also at 170 degrees. He said that the quick release racks are wider/longer and are made of a higher grade aluminum. I'm going to email him to see about getting a picture of the swivel that's on the budget racks, since that's not pictured on their website.


I don't like how expensive/complex this has gotten. :-(

[trayson]

Okay, I got pictures of the "budget" swivels. Yeah, I can see what he was talking about. they're basically just a hinge with a latch.

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20141022_153006_resized_2_zpscpxl9yrt.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20141022_153039_resized_2_zps5brwepcu.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/20141022_153053_resized_2_zpsyuv69wli.jpg

[trayson]

In contrast, this is the swivel sold with the quick release racks (that cost a bit more).

This one locks at 135 and 170 degrees.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41R5w0YXOzL._SX466_.jpg

http://cdn3.volusion.com/osd9d.dxtc2/v/vspfiles/photos/810-4.jpg?1386760334

http://cdn3.volusion.com/osd9d.dxtc2/v/vspfiles/photos/810-3.jpg?1386760334

http://cdn3.volusion.com/osd9d.dxtc2/v/vspfiles/photos/810-5.jpg?1386760334

[Jordy Dag]

Breathing some life into an old thread here... Trayson, did you pull the trigger on the bullet lines swivels and racks?

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[trayson]

Breathing some life into an old thread here... Trayson, did you pull the trigger on the bullet lines swivels and racks?

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I did throw down. THey had them on sale around black friday, so I got them then. THey're sitting in a box in my garage... I'll put them on in the spring. :-)

[Jordy Dag]

Right on man. Keep us updated. When you install them, Id like to see some pics!

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[JHutch]

Which ones did you end up with, the budget ones or the quick release ones?

Thanks

[trayson]

Which ones did you end up with, the budget ones or the quick release ones?

Thanks

The budget ones looked like POO. I couldn't bring myself to settle. I got the quick release with the legit swivels. I got the wakeboard forks because I have the cargo bimini to hold the custom (thicker fragile) surfboards, and because some of my surfboards (ronix caption, Phase 5 scamp) fit in wakeboard forks anyway.

[5:00]

I am really loving those Bullet Lines myself. I put them on half way through 2016 and they are holding up just fine. Of course they are sitting in my garage for the winter at this point out of the UV rays. The swivel is solid, chunky and pretty heavy. I got the three place wake and surf but I will go back for a two place in the spring for the other side. After trying them for a few months (I tried several brands) I am getting another.
You can see how close those fins are to the next board but they never touched even in some chop. The bottom pic is swung fully in almost to locked position (wake boot hit the speaker before locking). The boards are inside the rub rail and that is all I need to pull into the boat house with the boards attached. I usually empty them before pulling in but the tines still need to swing in to miss the cables even when empty.
Great pre sale support and didn't need any post sale.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4743.jpg
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4741.jpg
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/sirzappa/IMG_4740.jpg

[Jordy Dag]

Awesome. Thanks for the pics and review, 5:00!

[5:00]

Not a problem.

[trayson]

Right on man. Keep us updated. When you install them, Id like to see some pics!

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The Krypt quick release racks with the swivels are legit. I installed them last night. Install was straight forward and easy. they had multiple angles available to install the swivel and the rack at, so it was pretty easy to get them as level as possible.

I dig how far they swivel. definitely get the racks all the way inside the boat. so if you are parking in a slip or have a lift where width is an issue, these would address that.

I haven't had them on the water yet, but the swivel mechanisms seem really stout and I honestly can't see myself having the problems I had with the Origin racks. The swivels on these only lock at fully out and fully in, but that doesn't seem like it'll be a problem. it's not like I'd be underway with them halfway rotated. With them rotated in, I'll have to pay attention when I'm getting in the boat as I could see myself leaning in and knocking my head on them. But I think they're going to be WAY more convenient than the OEM racks.

I got the wakeboard forks because those were the ones on sale for Black Friday. I figure I have a reasonable amount of wake surf storage and some of my 'surf' boards can fit in a wakeboard rack. All in all I'm pleased. they were a bit more money than I would have preferred to spend, but I'm not disappointed in the quality or function.

Some pics:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/0425172108_HDR_zpsv9rr4a3b.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/0425172109_HDR_zps4ai19flj.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/0425172109b_HDR_zpscqqcvnur.jpg

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/traysonh/Moomba%20XLV/0425172109a_HDR_zpscaibvvhu.jpg

[5:00]

You are going to love them.

[Jordy Dag]

Nice! Thanks for the update

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[Derrick]

Has anyone purchased the quick release krypt racks with the quick release and swivel for the OZ tower? We have been looking at the double surf rack for the thicker boards and I am not sure how this whole set up would work. Krypt was not able to send me pictures. Does anyone have any pictures of them used on the oz tower? Anyone have any reviews on the rack?

[Derrick]

25691

Ordered krypt surf rack with swivel mount for oz tower. Very happy so far.

[trayson]

25691

Ordered krypt surf rack with swivel mount for oz tower. Very happy so far.

Looks good. I'm still really happy with mine. Having only the two "lock" positions is fine., I've tightened up my hinge so that there's enough friction that they don't just swivel freely, even with boards in them. so in a tie up, you can rotate them 90 degrees and they'll just stay there.

I now use my swivel racks as my main wakeboard (and thinner surfboard) racks, and keep my OEM fixed racks as backup.

[arturdon]

Thanks for your help !