HELP - 2013 MOJO Surf Wave with FLOW

[uniwarking]

Hey guys, I’m looking for some help with improving my surf wave. I’ve read quite a few posts over the past couple years but I’d like some suggestions specific to my boat (’13 Mojo).

Last year, I ran with 900#’s in the rears and a 650# IBS in my ’13 Mojo. I forced myself to learn to surf on the regular side despite being a goofy foot wakeboarder for 7 years simply because the wave was so much better on the regular side. I could surf ropeless for days on the regular side simply by listing. The wave was greatly improved with a few extra bodies in the boat on the surf side (besides my wife and son). I was riding a basic Hyperlite Broadcast. We ran 9.8 MPH – 10.2 MPH depending on how many people were in the boat and other conditions. Wakeplate full up ~ 75% up.

This year, we added the FLOW system (manual). I may just be rusty but I’m having a hard time surfing with the FLOW. I still have the same ballast, 900’s and an IBS. I’ve tried all 3 FLOW settings. I’ve tried doing even ballasting, partial listing and full listing. I’ve also tried multiple wakeplate settings. The best luck I’ve had so far is FLOW setting 2 with partial listing (like 75% full on starboard side), speed somewhere around 10.5, wakeplate full up. These settings have led to a great looking wave… nice and long… fairly tall (maybe a bit shorter than listing alone)… but I just can’t find the push I had with listing and I can’t keep up with the boat. I’ve also noticed some disturbance in the wave due to water running across the non-deployed surf side FLOW device and some water hitting the top of the wave up close to the boat from water coming off of the deployed FLOW system.

I know my board sucks, I’m in the market for something much better (likely a LipSnap board as the owner actually lives in my neighborhood and is a work colleague). I also know that I’m only a 2nd year surfer and I’ve only been out twice this year. I’m also not certain my speed is accurate as I’ve had multiple displays installed and another one is on the way for the wakeplate issue… I checked speed with a phone app called “speed box” and it showed my speed about 1MPH higher than the display showed while running ~10MPH… no idea how accurate this is.

I’m just frustrated that the FLOW hasn’t shown a great amount of improvement. I guess I was expecting to have a better wave than last year with the boat level. I know the wave takes some tweaking, even daily… I’ve just yet to be impressed with the FLOW (and significant $ investment).

HELP! Thanks! :)

[mmandley]

Lets address the easy things first.

Water coming off the Deployed flow up over to the ceter of the wave is normal. I will post a pic and you will see this.

Water coming off the NON deployed flow, I don't have this issue. Look at the back of the boat, measure how low it is to the hull, get some pictures and we can compare.

Speed, with the Flow and your ballast I think you need to be going 10.5. This is a solid speed and shouldn't be too fast. You can slow down a bit but really don't go below 10.

Also on your Wake Plate the dealer needs to get the New update that came out late 14, I got mine updated and Saturday we had no issues at all. Not all the dealers know of this software update but if they contact SC they can get the files.

With the Flow you can weight traditionally but you will need to deploy it farther, setting 3 due to it needs to be in the water a certain depth, also if you over weight the boat it might be too deep and wont work.

Honestly your weighting sounds pretty good. I like to run 900 surf, apx 900 non surf, 500 hard and 650 IBS. Yes I also run lead, and a 450 in the bow. These are not needed, the first year we didn't run all this, it all comes into play to get my goofy wave really nice.

If you can set the boat up how you like it, get some video with no one in the wave, just video the wave, audio over your ballast set up, speed, and wake plate settings, and then do another video with no changes, so I can see you in the wave. This will give me an idea what your seeing and dealing with.

Feel free to PM me, or email me at [email protected]

I will be happy to talk with you on your concerns and see if we can get you set up the way you want.

Here you can see a big roster tail off the deployed tab

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/LBC%207-4-14/GOPR0247_zps7e156a8b.jpg (http://s639.photobucket.com/user/mmandley/media/LBC%207-4-14/GOPR0247_zps7e156a8b.jpg.html)

[uniwarking]

So, the water coming off of my Flow on the deployed side is actually shooting over towards the surf side... Across the wave some... Not a huge deal but it just adds to the unclean area at the top and gets picked up by the wind.

On the surf side, it's not that water is coming above the surface but that I can see disturbance just beneath the surface of the wave in a line coming off of the FLOW. I could actually feel it at times... Kind of like wakeboarding in the wash behind the boat. I think I posted a pic or two before but I'll get some tonight with a tape measure.

The wake plate issue is a work in progress. My dealer doesn't have a cable so they are sending an updated display to swap out.

I'll try to get some pics and videos during my next outing.


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[mmandley]

Even the SC video of the Manual Flow shows that rooster.

55 sec in.
https://vimeo.com/82335262

IDK what to say on your non deployed side <surf side> I don't have any issues with water trails, or turbulence from mine. I am assuming you only have the Non Surf side deployed when surfing right?

[uniwarking]

Yes of course, only deployed on the non surf side. Did my tapatalk typos make you question my intelligence lol?


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[wolfeman131]

On the surf side, it's not that water is coming above the surface but that I can see disturbance just beneath the surface of the wave in a line coming off of the FLOW.

With the flow in the stowed position, I'm not sure how it is impacting the wave?

[mmandley]

Yes of course, only deployed on the non surf side. Did my tapatalk typos make you question my intelligence lol?


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No not at all, I am the last person to critique spelling...

Last year there was some rambling about deploying both plates, and I wanted to make sure. Assumption can get us both into trouble.

[uniwarking]

With the flow in the stowed position, I'm not sure how it is impacting the wave?

While surfing, I can see water running across the flow body... And you can see a ~4" strip of "white water" under the surface of the wave behind the boat trailing the non deployed flow device. This was worse while being listed and having the flow deployed on the non surf side. I wish I had a go pro, would be much easier to explain!

I'd say: the flow system, even when not deployed, becomes an extension of the hull and as such, it can impact the flow of water it comes in contact with.


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[wolfeman131]

I never noticed what you're describing on our Mojo.

[BamaMojo]

Hey guys, I’m looking for some help with improving my surf wave. I’ve read quite a few posts over the past couple years but I’d like some suggestions specific to my boat (’13 Mojo).

Last year, I ran with 900#’s in the rears and a 650# IBS in my ’13 Mojo. I forced myself to learn to surf on the regular side despite being a goofy foot wakeboarder for 7 years simply because the wave was so much better on the regular side. I could surf ropeless for days on the regular side simply by listing. The wave was greatly improved with a few extra bodies in the boat on the surf side (besides my wife and son). I was riding a basic Hyperlite Broadcast. We ran 9.8 MPH – 10.2 MPH depending on how many people were in the boat and other conditions. Wakeplate full up ~ 75% up.

This year, we added the FLOW system (manual). I may just be rusty but I’m having a hard time surfing with the FLOW. I still have the same ballast, 900’s and an IBS. I’ve tried all 3 FLOW settings. I’ve tried doing even ballasting, partial listing and full listing. I’ve also tried multiple wakeplate settings. The best luck I’ve had so far is FLOW setting 2 with partial listing (like 75% full on starboard side), speed somewhere around 10.5, wakeplate full up. These settings have led to a great looking wave… nice and long… fairly tall (maybe a bit shorter than listing alone)… but I just can’t find the push I had with listing and I can’t keep up with the boat. I’ve also noticed some disturbance in the wave due to water running across the non-deployed surf side FLOW device and some water hitting the top of the wave up close to the boat from water coming off of the deployed FLOW system.

I know my board sucks, I’m in the market for something much better (likely a LipSnap board as the owner actually lives in my neighborhood and is a work colleague). I also know that I’m only a 2nd year surfer and I’ve only been out twice this year. I’m also not certain my speed is accurate as I’ve had multiple displays installed and another one is on the way for the wakeplate issue… I checked speed with a phone app called “speed box” and it showed my speed about 1MPH higher than the display showed while running ~10MPH… no idea how accurate this is.

I’m just frustrated that the FLOW hasn’t shown a great amount of improvement. I guess I was expecting to have a better wave than last year with the boat level. I know the wave takes some tweaking, even daily… I’ve just yet to be impressed with the FLOW (and significant $ investment).

HELP! Thanks! :)

I Am noticing similar wakes with my new flow. The wake looks great but doesn't seem to have the push u has with just listing. Hopefully I can get it figured out sooner than later, if not I will feel like I wasted s good bit of $. I wil update after a couple more weeks of tinkering.


2012 Mojo

[jmvotto]

Strange, my buddy Chris just had his mojo flow installed and it has huge push and the wave is long.hopefully you have it weighted properly.

[uniwarking]

I got a little feedback from SC. They recommended taking a little weight out of my rear bags, I'll give it a shot next time around.

Mojo
Front Ballast Weight - - - 1150lbs - - - IBS + Center full
Port Rear Ballast - - - 650 - - - 900 bag ~2/3 full
Stbd Rear Ballast - - 650 - - - 900 bag ~2/3 full
Flow plate - - - 2nd Position
Wakeplate - - - 50%
Speed - - - 10.8

Hope this helps!

[muehlcj]

Strange, my buddy Chris just had his mojo flow installed and it has huge push and the wave is long.hopefully you have it weighted properly.

So here's what I've found:
Before flow I would run 1100 rear port, 400 under port seat, 200-300 starboard, center tank full, ibs full, 300 lbs lead in bow, wake plate 50% speed 10.5 to 10.8 - wave was long, super clean, good push.

Then we started adding 2 750's to the above one on rear corner floor and one on seat, wakeplate all the way up. Wave was sick! Huge! Not quite as clean as above but massive.

Added flow run the same as the first but about 900 lbs starboard, plate all the way up, flow in 2nd position. Wave is between first set up and second without sacks all over. Def taller and longer the no flow option one but not quite as massive as with the extra 1500.
Next step is 300lbs lead under read port sack to see if that gets some height back.

[muehlcj]

I got a little feedback from SC. They recommended taking a little weight out of my rear bags, I'll give it a shot next time around.

Mojo
Front Ballast Weight - - - 1150lbs - - - IBS + Center full
Port Rear Ballast - - - 650 - - - 900 bag ~2/3 full
Stbd Rear Ballast - - 650 - - - 900 bag ~2/3 full
Flow plate - - - 2nd Position
Wakeplate - - - 50%
Speed - - - 10.8

Hope this helps!

They may be right but in my case the more weight the better with my '13 mojo. She's a big pig and there's no replacement for displacement

[muehlcj]

I also just got back from SSF so I have a good idea of what the best waves should be. It's not throwing a g23, SE, or x23 wave but it would say it's 80% of the previously listed waves.

[uniwarking]

Pictures of the flow system on my boat as requested:

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[muehlcj]

Looks like the same mounting location as mine.

[mmandley]

Pictures of the flow system on my boat as requested:

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I just went and measured mine to compare, and yes they apear to be the same mounting, when my plate is up the little handle is straight up and down to the edge of my swim deck.

Like that gray color you got <snicker>

[uniwarking]

I figured it was fine. I'll play with my settings next time out, appreciate the help guys. Hoping we can get it dialed in and get all of the other minor items taken care of.


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[muehlcj]

Any luck? Ran The above setup again this weekend. Wave was solid. My buddy with a tige z1 says he wants mojo now.

[wolfeman131]

Tell your buddy I'll make him a deal on a surf-ready Mojo!

[muehlcj]

Tell your buddy I'll make him a deal on a surf-ready Mojo!

He says it looks to much like someone else's he knows.

[jmvotto]

He says it looks to much like someone else's he knows.

We can ghetto it up with some plasti dip and paint ball guns, ...

[wolfeman131]

He says it looks to much like someone else's he knows.

put a wrap on it

[uniwarking]

Ok, so I had a chance to take a few vids on Friday. Here are the results:

Here it is at the SC recommended settings. '13 Mojo, Rears ~ 60%, Wakeplate 50%, 10.5 MPH, FLOW position 2 (sorry for the poor quality on this first one)

https://youtu.be/ywCbM0nrEe0

Here are a few at a bit more typical settings for me last year but with the boat level using the FLOW. '13 Mojo, Rears ~ 75%, Wakeplate 100% UP, 9.8 MPH, FLOW position 2.

https://youtu.be/YJHI6ftDR08

https://youtu.be/bTHjws6Yz1g (this one comes with some voice over of my son)

https://youtu.be/CEjMeM9SyD8

I was able to go ropeless for a bit but still think we can do a little better with the setup. These are all with my wife driving and my 5 yr old spotting so not a lot of weight in the boat overall.

Wave looks pretty nice. I may just be a little too slow on the Broadcast at 220 lbs.

[mmandley]

The First video https://youtu.be/ywCbM0nrEe0 needs more weight, You can see the rooster coming over the way more and this means the boat is trying to flatten out. More weight or less speed. You pick the poison.

Second Video https://youtu.be/YJHI6ftDR08 looks really nice, you can see how slowing down to 9.8 has made the rooster go to the Starboard side. Thats a good wave to start with, I think you still need to fill your port Locker 100% leave starboard 70 and the wave will look much nicer at 9.8-10.5

Third video https://youtu.be/bTHjws6Yz1g you can see how the wake plate at 75% washes out the wave more, this is because you need more ass weight.

Forth video https://youtu.be/CEjMeM9SyD8 this wave looks really nice, same as the second video, needs more Port weight.

Also the Broadcast is a heavy board, and your not to heavy for it, your weight plus the boards drag makes it very hard to free ride it. That board has a ton of drag, it also doesn't respond well to changes in your foot pressure for speeding up and slowing down. This is exactly why its a great starter board, its very slow to respond to new people who are very jittery on a board.

[smorris7]

Save yourself ALOT of heartache and buy yourself a good surf style board. I started with the broadcast I'm 6'2 255 and it was really tough. I have ridden tons of boards and have finally found one I can really enjoy without constantly fighting. The Doomswell Big Step 5.0 so, speaking from lots of experience, go find yourself a good board now! Spend the money and don't look back.


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[uniwarking]

Thanks for the input guys. I'm hoping to get some significant time on the boat this upcoming weekend. We'll have some more people along and we'll do some further tweaking.

I know I need a new board, I'm just not sure what to get yet. I was able to free ride last year though, literally for miles... So it's frustrating it's not going so well this year with the FLOW. I did have to have a pretty tall wave with a short pocket before... Now the wave looks great and I can't ride it.

I demoed a couple LipSnap boards last year, liked the sonic pretty well. That was my last ride of the season though behind his Natique. There are tons of options out there, and honestly I'm not sure if I want to go skim or surf.




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[mmandley]

How was the boat set up last year vs this year? With the flow you should be able to set it the same weights unless you ran 1100s also for setting 3 week give you a good wave hight and push advantage but shorten the pocket.

If last year before the flow you free roped then it technically should come easier this year.

[uniwarking]

We had the rear port side 900 full, starboard side empty and center + IBS full. Ran ~9.8 to 10.2 depending on rider and number of bodies in the boat. Wakeplate 75% ~ 100% depending on load/conditions.

The wave was always better with more people.


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[mmandley]

Ok try running that set up. Then just add more weight to the starboard until its how you like it best.

No need to change everything due to flow. Flow will enhance your wave

[muehlcj]

I agree with mike. You need more weight. Also putting the flow in position 3 should add height. Here's what it looks like with port 1100lbs, starboard 900lbs, 400lbs under port side seat, center tank 650lbs, ibs 650lbs, 250lbs lead in bow, 170lb driver and 150lbs passengers on port side.

http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/muehlcj/Bottom%20Turn_zps7gq61ycr.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/muehlcj/media/Bottom%20Turn_zps7gq61ycr.jpg.html)

Super looooonnnngggggg, needs some height.

[uniwarking]

Ok guys, think we got things figured out a bit this weekend. Ran with the center and IBS full, port side 900 full, starboard side 75%, wake plate up, Flow position 3 and around 9.8mph (think we're actually a little faster than that). We also had a few more people in the boat.

Wave was massive and clean. Much longer than listing alone and I think taller as well. My brother-in-law and I were both able to go ropeless for long sets despite choppiness and high winds.

Very happy with the outcome. I'll post up a few pics later :)


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[uniwarking]

These pics do not do the wave justice...

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[mmandley]

Pics might not but your smile in the first pic does. Awesome man.

[muehlcj]

Here's a picture of the '13 mojo with 4,200 lbs ballast (all hidden) and flow in the 3rd position down. I'm about 6'-1".
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/muehlcj/Mojo%20wave_zpsvkamcume.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/muehlcj/media/Mojo%20wave_zpsvkamcume.jpg.html)

[muehlcj]

More pics:
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/muehlcj/Mojo%20Air%201_zpsrvrxgph3.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/muehlcj/media/Mojo%20Air%201_zpsrvrxgph3.jpg.html)
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/muehlcj/Mojo%20Air%202_zpsmrzg8ks5.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/muehlcj/media/Mojo%20Air%202_zpsmrzg8ks5.jpg.html)

[13mobiusLSV]

Looks awesome. Driver looks a little sketchy

[mmandley]

Where do you have 4200lbs hidden at?

What set up were you going with in the above pics?

[jmvotto]

Looks awesome. Driver looks a little sketchy

Def. sketchy ....

[muehlcj]

Where do you have 4200lbs hidden at?

What set up were you going with in the above pics?

Added it in my head so let's see....rear port locker: 1100 h20 250 lead, port seats:400 h2o, rear starboard 900h2o, center tank 650 h2o, bow: 650 h2o & 250 lead

[muehlcj]

Added it in my head so let's see....rear port locker: 1100 h20 250 lead, port seats:400 h2o, rear starboard 900h2o, center tank 650 h2o, bow: 650 h2o & 250 lead
Flow in third position.

[muehlcj]

Flow in third position.

Sick driving provided by jmvotto

[muehlcj]

Wake plate all the way up. 2079 prop. Not much weight in passangers

[jmvotto]

10.2 mph....

[mmandley]

Cool I like how long it looks in that picture, I might tinker with my settings, I have some steel shot in my regular side mid ship, maybe Ill move that to the rear under my 900.

We generally run 1500 65% full on goofy side to offset the weight.

We have 1500 in the nose though. 500 hard 650 ISB plus 450 sac on surf side bow seat.

We tend to surf 10.5-11 depends on conditions and sobriety LOL.

Wake Plate 100% up.

[muehlcj]

We usually run 10.4-10.6 just happened to run slower yesterday.

Can get even more length with flow in 2 position.

[mmandley]

We usually run 10.4-10.6 just happened to run slower yesterday.

Can get even more length with flow in 2 position.

GAW!!!! My never ending tinkering side of my mind is now going nuts again, I must go tinker with my wave again...I thought I had it dialed in, now I must go tinker and re-verify this...LOL

[muehlcj]

Haha must be a moomba owners thing. I'm the same way. Not sure what my next move will be. I don't want any more lead in there. To much added weight for trailer IMO.

Maybe after 2.5 yrs I'm at he end of the road on ballast. The boss says no bags on seats. Would like to fill a 750 on rear corner floor "just to see"

[muehlcj]

Ran jm's xlv with a ghetto gate last week and 3600 lbs (joe can you verify) and that thing was throwing a killer roller

[jmvotto]

Yep. 3600 no floor bags May try some lead in some spots to get to more height I the rear

[KG's Supra24]

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I like his shirt too. Pretty sure I wore the same one today.

Wave looks great!

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