Fin Questoin

[rca]

I posted a pic of my Doomswell Bigstep in different thread and it started a conversation between myself and Mike Mandley over text about the fin setup. I thought I'd throw this out to everybody and get some opinions. Questions:


What fin setup are you using in your board?
Which fins do you like?
Any thoughts on a dual setup like I currently have vs. a twinzer setup?
Where do you like to purchase fins?


A lot of questions I know. Thanks for sharing.

My Bigstep (Texas proud!):
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g348/nsdhusband/IMG_3532_zpsjyoecleg.jpg

[trayson]

Here is my Doomswell Nubstep. They made it for me with the quad fin boxes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9iOiuKtn9BM/VDLEcP1HbPI/AAAAAAAAUfc/qMovVMEw9VY/s800/IMG957298.jpg

I ride it with just the two big fins. I like it this way because it lets me kick the board out sideways and I just love the feeling of doing that.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lD20sjYYcEI/VF7W5doZpnI/AAAAAAAAWqc/QbAAGxynFLo/s800/20141108_151402.jpeg

[Boonejeepin]

F4 Blackstix in a twin setup it a ton of fun!!!

[muehlcj]

I've ridden a lot of differnt futures fins. Vector foil and flat foil. All sorts of different sizes and flex patterns. All are great. Give these a try hands down best fins I've tried. http://shredstixxusa.com/wakesurffins/chaos-wakesurf-fin-blue-vectored-foil

Used them as a sixer my my chaos board and a twin in my soulcraft.

[muehlcj]

I've ridden a lot of differnt futures fins. Vector foil and flat foil. All sorts of different sizes and flex patterns. All are great. Give these a try hands down best fins I've tried. http://shredstixxusa.com/wakesurffins/chaos-wakesurf-fin-blue-vectored-foil

Used them as a sixer my my chaos board and a twin in my soulcraft.

Also have the flat foil version. Like the v-foil more.

[muehlcj]

I posted a pic of my Doomswell Bigstep in different thread and it started a conversation between myself and Mike Mandley over text about the fin setup. I thought I'd throw this out to everybody and get some opinions. Questions:


What fin setup are you using in your board?
Which fins do you like?
Any thoughts on a dual setup like I currently have vs. a twinzer setup?
Where do you like to purchase fins?


A lot of questions I know. Thanks for sharing.

My Bigstep (Texas proud!):
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g348/nsdhusband/IMG_3532_zpsjyoecleg.jpg

You should ride that thing as a sixer

[jmvotto]

You should ride that thing as a sixer

My thoughts exactly

Edit, looks like it can do 7

[Patel12]

I like the discussion made there..!
Keep it up.

[rca]

My thoughts exactly

Edit, looks like it can do 7

It would be too locked in for me like that. I'm sort of like Trayson, I like to be able to get it sideways. I'm thinking maybe a twinzer setup to get a little more speed out of it.

I might try the fins from Shreddstix. I like supporting my local Texas companies.

[muehlcj]

It would be too locked in for me like that. I'm sort of like Trayson, I like to be able to get it sideways. I'm thinking maybe a twinzer setup to get a little more speed out of it.

I might try the fins from Shreddstix. I like supporting my local Texas companies.

For awhile nick was including them with the purchase of a board. Keep that in mind. The boards are on par with soulcraft and doomswell IMO.

[kaneboats]

Here is my Doomswell Nubstep.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9iOiuKtn9BM/VDLEcP1HbPI/AAAAAAAAUfc/qMovVMEw9VY/s800/IMG957298.jpg

Wait! Are you sure they shipped you the right board and that one was made just for you???????

[muehlcj]

I've ridden a lot of differnt futures fins. Vector foil and flat foil. All sorts of different sizes and flex patterns. All are great. Give these a try hands down best fins I've tried. http://shredstixxusa.com/wakesurffins/chaos-wakesurf-fin-blue-vectored-foil

Used them as a sixer my my chaos board and a twin in my soulcraft.

Here's a shot of those fins as a sixer. Also a how NOT to land a air 180.
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag152/muehlcj/Air%20180%20gone%20bad_zpssgkk6gcl.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/muehlcj/media/Air%20180%20gone%20bad_zpssgkk6gcl.jpg.html)

[trayson]

Wait! Are you sure they shipped you the right board and that one was made just for you???????

Yep, LOL. no doubts there!

And, if it was a board for you or Berg, it would have pictures of beer on it...

[rca]

So what does the sixer setup do for you? I'm not sure I understand how it is setup. Is it basically a twinzer setup with 2 additional smaller fins behind the main, larger fins? How does it affect the ride?

[muehlcj]

It would be too locked in for me like that. I'm sort of like Trayson, I like to be able to get it sideways. I'm thinking maybe a twinzer setup to get a little more speed out of it.

I might try the fins from Shreddstix. I like supporting my local Texas companies.

You will still be able to get that same action you will just have to ride the board "harder". More upper body preload and twist.

[muehlcj]

So what does the sixer setup do for you? I'm not sure I understand how it is setup. Is it basically a twinzer setup with 2 additional smaller fins behind the main, larger fins? How does it affect the ride?

It's 2 small canard like fins that channel water to the next 2 largest fins followed by 2 medium sized rear fins. This should generate maximum speed. The harder you ride this setup the more you will get out of it. I wouldn't recommend for just casual cruising.

[muehlcj]

F4 Blackstix in a twin setup it a ton of fun!!!

This is a great setup as well.

[muehlcj]

FCS makes awesome fins also. The fcs II system is awesome. Fins just snap in and out no tools. I hope to see more board shapers putting the fcs din boxes in. http://www.surffcs.com

[wolfeman131]

Agree with the above. This is how many of the pros ride to gain max speed down the line to load up for huge airs.

[rca]

Agree with the above. This is how many of the pros ride to gain max speed down the line to load up for huge airs.

Which setup are you referring to Drew, twinzer or sixer?

[wolfeman131]

Sorry, looks like Chris got 2 more replies in before mine hit. I was referring to the sixer setup.

[rca]

No worries. I appreciate all the input. I was just trying to make sure I was following along correctly.

I think I might get the sixer setup and play around with it a bit to see what combinations I like.

[muehlcj]

No worries. I appreciate all the input. I was just trying to make sure I was following along correctly.

I think I might get the sixer setup and play around with it a bit to see what combinations I like.

You will like it. Talk to nick his contact info is on the chaos website. There is a flat foil and a v-foil version. I have both and like the v-foil more.

[muehlcj]

No worries. I appreciate all the input. I was just trying to make sure I was following along correctly.

I think I might get the sixer setup and play around with it a bit to see what combinations I like.

What fins are you running now?

[wolfeman131]

Order a 5 fin set of these

http://shredstixxusa.com/wakesurffins/chaos-wakesurf-fin-blue-vectored-foil

And a set of the C5's

Then, have a ton of fun trying different combos!

[muehlcj]

^^^^what he said.

[rca]

I can't even remember what is in it now, whatever Doomswell put in it initially.

I've had those exact ones in the cart the entire weekend staring at them in the sixer setup. I'll probably pull the trigger some time tonight.

[wolfeman131]

Pull it!

Those will give you a ton of options.

[rca]

Pull it!

Those will give you a ton of options.

Done! Order is in.

[muehlcj]

Finding the right fins can make as much of a differnece as the right board size and shape. These will really change your riding.

[sandm]

^agreed.

my soulcraft was a competely different board going from the "factory" fins jeff ships with to the blackstix. really improved the speed of the board..

[letitsnow]

Im wondering what people are runnning for fins on inland surfer black pearl skim.only came with center fin.

[muehlcj]

Im wondering what people are runnning for fins on inland surfer black pearl skim.only came with center fin.

The problem you are going to run into there is that you are limited to IS produced fins. You do not have true fun boxes. With that said on a skim board NBD. The top IS pros are running 2 skim style fins in their boards. Ive ridden a friends IS BP in that config. and i prefer it with 2.

[freshturk]

Who wants to explain the differences betwen thruster, twinzer, quad, etc. So much fin tech.

[muehlcj]

Who wants to explain the differences betwen thruster, twinzer, quad, etc. So much fin tech.

I would start with this: https://futuresfins.com/en-us/ --> go to the fin school "tab" and read about the different types of fins, shapes of fins, fin materials, fin boxes, foil shapes, etc. Get an understanding of individual fin construction and what each fin is capable of. Once you have that understanding think about what you want to accomplish with your fin combinations. For example more speed bigger airs - maybe you want to go with a sixer setup with v-foil fins for max speed.

Keep in mind the info on the futures site is for real surfing. Wakesurfing waves are all small and the boards are all under 5'-9 which is a short surfboard. You aren't going to need a super straight, super stiff fin with a ton of surface area and rake because you aren't ever going to be dropping in on a 25' slab.

[BrettLee3232]

You aren't going to need a super straight, super stiff fin with a ton of surface area and rake because you aren't ever going to be dropping in on a 25' slab.

Until the new surf systems come out in 2018:cool:

[trayson]

Who wants to explain the differences betwen thruster, twinzer, quad, etc. So much fin tech.

Some more info that I got from Doomswell a while back:

It's not so much on the differences in styles but more to what elements make up fins and why they are important. I figured it's still interesting and relevant.


More fin stuff explained.
I figured I would explain a little more about fins during this holiday break so we could help you decide on your next purchase as far as fins.
Let's start off with point number one which is template.
A template basically is 3 parts. How big of a base of the fin do you need, how much rake is in a fin and the height.
The BASE of the fin ,which is the closest part of the fin to the board, is going to determine how much drive essentially you will have. When coming out of a turn, a bigger base will give you more drive, which is also relative to a persons weight. Think about it like an Indy car vs your car tire. When accelerating out of a turn with a wide Indy car tire, you can get more drive or accelerate more out of a turn with the added surface area of that tire as opposed to your mothers van which has much less surface area and will skid out of that turn. So a wider base will help if you need more drive out of turns.
The height of the fin, will be determined by how big a person is. A fins height is like a T-Shirt. The bigger the person, the more surface area they will need. So a little bit more fin height will help a bigger person.
Next is RAKE. Rake is how much the fin actually sweeps backwards. The more the fin sweeps backwards, the more round your turns will be. The less rake or more vertical a fin is, the more you will be able to pivot your board quickly.
Next is the FOIL of the fin.
The foil is essentially the same as an airplane wing.
As the water flows on the outside of the fin, it creates low pressure, and the water on the inside of the fin (closest to the center of the board) creates high pressure. So the water on the inside of the fin pushes against the fin to the area of low pressure which the outside of the fin. That's what helps you to stay close to the wave face, and also what helps a plane stay in the air. The water on the inside of the fin pushes to the area of low pressure on the outside of the fin. MAKE SENSE!?
ALSO, the amount that the inside of your fin is "cupped" is a big factor as well.
You will notice some fins are flat on the inside and some are concave or cupped.
The flatter inside foil will help you control speed but not really help on generating speed as much as a foiled fin.
The more foiled a fin is, it will help generate more speed in smaller, weaker waves.
So in a nut shell, a bigger wave already creates speed for you which means you don't need as much foil and the smaller a wave is, the more foil you will need to generate more speed, and it will help you from rail to rail.
Lastly is flex. Flex is the movement of the fin laterally. On bigger waves you need more hold to stay in the face of the wave so you don't need much flex as flex would cause less hold in that situation.. You need more flex in smaller waves so that when you actually turn, the fins will flex then snap back to its natural position giving you a "spring" like effect, giving you more power out of the turn, helping you to get back into the wave faster.
We hoped this helped and have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N2eONnOXLLc/VJrrdbN4oCI/AAAAAAAAXLQ/YueuplgEyPo/s800/Fins.jpg

[muehlcj]

To simplify all of that futures assigns a ride number. https://futuresfins.com/en-us/ride-number/feel