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kerryoneal
02-25-2015, 05:18 PM
1. Does Flow Surf make a noticeable difference?

2. What difference? Bigger wake or longer wake?

Thanks for any response!

wolfeman131
02-25-2015, 07:10 PM
1. Does Flow Surf make a noticeable difference?

2. What difference? Bigger wake or longer wake?

Thanks for any response!

1. Yes
2. Yes & yes

Above is my experience with the manual flow system and the video I've seen would indicate the same for the auto flow system.

boardman74
02-25-2015, 07:18 PM
Are you talking the manual or the new auto flow. Both allow for more even weighting and a less listed boat. On most boats you can build just as good of wave with listing. But changing 1500 lbs side to side takes a while and a lot of people don't feel comfortable with a 10-15 degree listed boat. The surf systems do away with some of that.

Honestly the hull produces the weight, the flow probably isn't going to make it bigger. Weight will do that. It just changes how you weight the boat and makes things much easier.

pdhj1990
02-25-2015, 08:05 PM
Here are four pics from a recent 2015 Mojo test ride - auto flow surf package with four people in the boat including the driver. I think we could have dialed the wave in better, however I didn't have the time as I was going to demo a Centurion Enzo after the Mojo.

I also ordered a 15 Mojo. Upon arrival, the dealer will be replacing the factory rear ballast with 1,100 lbs bags. They'll also recalibrate the rear ballast fill indicator to account for the added fill time.

mmandley
02-25-2015, 08:24 PM
1. Does Flow Surf make a noticeable difference?

2. What difference? Bigger wake or longer wake?

Thanks for any response!

If you are asking about the Manual Flow, yes to the all the above, Its worth every penny in my opinion.

You can run literally Less weight in the boat and using the Flow get the same size wave, push, and better length.

You can do a search through the Wakesurfing topic and find plenty of posts, pictures, threads on my experience before and after the flow.

For our 13 Mojo with no Flow we ran 1500s in the rear to get our big monster wave.
After Flow we run 900 rears, same size wave more push and more length.
That is on the Regular side

On the Goofy
Before Flow 1500
After still a 1500 but with Flow we have a much longer wave and more push now.

If you are referring to the Auto Flow, can't really speak on that, haven't been behind one yet.

Woody929
02-25-2015, 11:39 PM
I'm really thinking about having the manual flow installed in March. Unless there is a better option :-)

mmandley
02-26-2015, 04:38 AM
I'm really thinking about having the manual flow installed in March. Unless there is a better option :-)

For the 12 currently No. I think you would be very happy with the Flow on your LSV. I know the wave the LSV can make and I bet if I would have had my LSV still the wave would be that much better.

BamaMojo
02-26-2015, 06:40 PM
I am adding flow to my 12 Mojo as well. Mmandley's doucumentation has sold me on it! Also ordering the 900 bags for the rear lockers


2012 Mojo

North Woods Mobius
03-08-2015, 11:44 AM
I am adding flow to my 12 Mojo as well. Mmandley's doucumentation has sold me on it! Also ordering the 900 bags for the rear lockers


2012 Mojo

Based on everything here in the forum as well as talking to a few other folks, I've just ordered the Flow for my '14 LSV. The delaer has the parts in stock and it should be going on next month. Unfortunately, we're still buried in snow up here in the great Midwest so I won't be able to get it on our lake until the ice goes out, but hoping for some Memorial Day surfing with a bigger and better wave (in a wetsuit as it will likely be 56 degree water like last year!).

I did look at the Auto Flow, but based on the significant difference in cost ($950 for Flow vs $2,600 quoted price for Auto Flow), I opted to save the cash for other mods. I was also a bit wary of the potential complications of retrofitting the Auto Flow to my '14 LSV and the additional ways that it could cause problems down the road. It's hard to see how the manual surf gates can go wrong!

Woody929
03-08-2015, 12:03 PM
I dropped mine off yesterday to have the Flow installed. Hopefully I can pick it up on Tuesday or Wednesday. I'm looking forward to it.

BamaMojo
03-08-2015, 05:31 PM
Mine is going on Thursday


2012 Mojo

smorris7
03-08-2015, 05:42 PM
Getting mine done next weekend!


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Woody929
03-08-2015, 07:46 PM
Shane we can compare at the Jam. Tim needs to get his done too... Unless he's too busy hitching a ride with you :-)

RobertJ
03-08-2015, 09:04 PM
If you guys don't mind sharing, what are you paying for the manual flow and installation? Just a ballpark number would be great. I am leaning towards installing it on my 07LSV. I will also need to buy a new platform.

smorris7
03-08-2015, 09:14 PM
Shane we can compare at the Jam. Tim needs to get his done too... Unless he's too busy hitching a ride with you :-)

Yes he does! Needs to get the sound done also! Looking forward to the jam!


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smorris7
03-08-2015, 09:15 PM
If you guys don't mind sharing, what are you paying for the manual flow and installation? Just a ballpark number would be great. I am leaning towards installing it on my 07LSV. I will also need to buy a new platform.

Labor should be right around 300.00


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North Woods Mobius
03-13-2015, 05:59 PM
If you guys don't mind sharing, what are you paying for the manual flow and installation? Just a ballpark number would be great. I am leaning towards installing it on my 07LSV. I will also need to buy a new platform.

I'm paying $900 all in on my '14 LSV up in Northern Wisconsin

muehlcj
03-13-2015, 10:42 PM
$1800 installed on mojo in New York

BamaMojo
03-13-2015, 10:47 PM
1500 in Alabama

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/13/c9460cd698c751999c307eba8c9282c1.jpg
2012 Mojo

jmvotto
03-14-2015, 09:24 AM
Can someone get me height and width of the flow for dimensions ?

Badfoot
03-14-2015, 01:14 PM
I went out and measured mine at 5-7/8" high X 8-5/8" wide.

jmvotto
03-14-2015, 03:28 PM
Thank you bad foot

Badfoot
03-14-2015, 08:07 PM
Anytime, Joe. Glad to help.

Woody929
03-25-2015, 05:59 PM
Just picked up the boat today and can't wait to try it out

BamaMojo
03-25-2015, 06:57 PM
Just picked up the boat today and can't wait to try it out

Pick mine up Sunday, going in Lake Martin Sunday afternoon!!


2012 Mojo

Woody929
03-25-2015, 07:13 PM
Total for me was $1,347 + tax here.

kaneboats
03-25-2015, 09:31 PM
Pick mine up Sunday, going in Lake Martin Sunday afternoon!!

Stop rubbing it in. We're going to plan a jam the last Sun. in July on Lake Martin.

BamaMojo
03-25-2015, 10:26 PM
I will be there if weather holds out


2012 Mojo

rca
03-26-2015, 05:11 PM
Total for me was $1,347 + tax here.

I need a report when you get to try it out. I am really considering this for our LSV. Might need to get you to take me out in Dallas to see your wave.

Woody929
03-26-2015, 06:47 PM
Deal......

jmvotto
03-26-2015, 08:02 PM
Total for me was $1,347 + tax here.

Installed????

Woody929
03-26-2015, 08:25 PM
Yep. Parts were $1,050 if I recall and the rest is install (2.5 hours). I had mine done, and saw Shane's up the dealer (Slalom Shop) as well after having the flow added (there isn't any mistaking his boat :-))

I also had them fix a chip in the gel coat near the rudder, and got new guide pole covers thrown in. I thought they did awesome work, and their prices were very reasonable.

rcm022
03-26-2015, 11:18 PM
Just got the new mobius lsv surf edition..... witch supposed to have an additional 500 lbs of ballast over the stock 1800....can anyone confirm this. And where is the extra weight ....im guessing they just put bigger sacks in the rear.
What are yall running your ballest at for surfing (regular ) ???

wolfeman131
03-26-2015, 11:34 PM
The surf edition boats come with an IBS (integrated now sac)

smorris7
03-29-2015, 09:10 AM
https://vimeo.com/123540288

First time out with the Flow.


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mmandley
03-29-2015, 12:35 PM
Looks real nice man

muehlcj
03-29-2015, 04:52 PM
Looks great. Super clean.

How much weight were you running and where? Flow at what setting?

smorris7
03-29-2015, 08:04 PM
Looks great. Super clean.

How much weight were you running and where? Flow at what setting?

1500lbs port, 1100 70% starboard, hard rand full, 500 IBS full, 400lbs on top of the surf side seats up front. Flow setting on 2.


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jmvotto
03-29-2015, 08:50 PM
1500lbs port, 1100 70% starboard, hard rand full, 500 IBS full, 400lbs on top of the surf side seats up front. Flow setting on 2.


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Looks nice and crisp, how's the push and where was the wake plate set?

pdhj1990
03-29-2015, 08:55 PM
Well done - nice surf wake.


https://vimeo.com/123540288

First time out with the Flow.


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Woody929
03-29-2015, 09:40 PM
Noticing the Flow on the LSV is different from the pics I've seen for the Mojo/Mondo. The hole pattern is different and there is also an additional locking pin for the plate. I'm not sure which hole would equate to 1 vs 3.

Hole patterns:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-4gH9p3D/0/XL/i-4gH9p3D-XL.jpg

First:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-PkgsNm3/0/XL/i-PkgsNm3-XL.jpg

Middle:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-TnpTDQF/0/XL/i-TnpTDQF-XL.jpg

Last:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-qHDT3p5/0/XL/i-qHDT3p5-XL.jpg

Woody929
03-29-2015, 09:41 PM
I couldn't really get it dialed in because it was so windy, but I couldn't resist giving it a shot anyway (65 degree water):

http://norwoods.smugmug.com/photos/i-fPHdW6q/0/XL/i-fPHdW6q-XL.jpg

jmvotto
03-29-2015, 10:03 PM
It looks like the adjustable piece was installed on the wrong side of the boat .

Can't see where those settings would work well.

nitrodude24
03-29-2015, 10:10 PM
It is installed correctly. It has to do with the shape of the hull at the stern. I ve had flow on my lsv since last summer definitely makes wave more consistent in shallower water.

Woody929
03-29-2015, 10:18 PM
dup post...

jmvotto
03-29-2015, 10:26 PM
It is installed correctly. It has to do with the shape of the hull at the stern. I ve had flow on my lsv since last summer definitely makes wave more consistent in shallower water.

Good to hear, the flange design is different too.

smorris7
03-30-2015, 01:34 PM
Looks nice and crisp, how's the push and where was the wake plate set?

Great push. In the video wake plate set 50% or straight up. When adults ride 75% on the wake plate.


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muehlcj
03-30-2015, 04:15 PM
Looks sick. I run all the same weight you so plus some lead. When it's just the guys we throw 2 750's in the rear surf side corner. One on floor and one on seat. That wave reminds me of mine with the 750's but a lot cleaner.

smorris7
03-30-2015, 05:05 PM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/30/8d688e87e347bcddc87320782754eac6.jpg

This shot gives you an idea how far back the wave goes.


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North Woods Mobius
03-30-2015, 06:22 PM
Noticing the Flow on the LSV is different from the pics I've seen for the Mojo/Mondo. The hole pattern is different and there is also an additional locking pin for the plate. I'm not sure which hole would equate to 1 vs 3.

Hole patterns:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-4gH9p3D/0/XL/i-4gH9p3D-XL.jpg

First:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-PkgsNm3/0/XL/i-PkgsNm3-XL.jpg

Middle:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-TnpTDQF/0/XL/i-TnpTDQF-XL.jpg

Last:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-qHDT3p5/0/XL/i-qHDT3p5-XL.jpg

So the pin pattern is different for the LSV versus the Mondo & Mojo? I'm having mine installed next week on my '14 LSV and I assumed it was the same pattern for all 3 boats in the Moomba line up. Here is what I've seen from all the Moomba mareketing documentation I've seen on the Flow so far ..... can anyone clarify??

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uniwarking
03-31-2015, 12:50 PM
Well, there is an extra pin on the lsv per the picture in woody's tread... Appears there are certainly different parts for different boats.


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13mobiusLSV
03-31-2015, 01:39 PM
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It is different on the LSV. For the reason mentioned above. The flow shown on the website is for the mondo and mojo (I can't speak for the outback). There are 2 pins for the LSV, 1 to keep in the stowed upright position and the other for settings 1-3.

Woody929
03-31-2015, 02:23 PM
2168321684
It is different on the LSV. For the reason mentioned above. The flow shown on the website is for the mondo and mojo (I can't speak for the outback). There are 2 pins for the LSV, 1 to keep in the stowed upright position and the other for settings 1-3.

So which is hole 1 vs 3? Is the position where the flap is mostly under the boat the most aggressive wave or is that the one for the smaller wave? It was super windy when I was out the other day and I didn't have time to test thoroughly.

13mobiusLSV
03-31-2015, 05:17 PM
I'm guessing 1 is the first position selectable from being stowed (the second pic), then 2 and 3. I'm purely guessing though. I haven't been out yet to even try it.

uniwarking
03-31-2015, 06:31 PM
Pulled the trigger on the Flow today, dealer has one in stock so it should be installed by the end of the week!

Woody929
03-31-2015, 07:27 PM
I'm guessing 1 is the first position selectable from being stowed (the second pic), then 2 and 3. I'm purely guessing though. I haven't been out yet to even try it.

I was thinking that too, but the first position seemed like it would move more water than the 3rd. It doesn't look like this weekend will be conducive for testing, maybe the weekend after.

blackcup
04-01-2015, 11:56 PM
It looks like the adjustable piece was installed on the wrong side of the boat .

Can't see where those settings would work well.

this is how my Mojo is setup.

https://forum.moomba.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21682&d=1427754033

mmandley
04-02-2015, 12:15 AM
2168321684
It is different on the LSV. For the reason mentioned above. The flow shown on the website is for the mondo and mojo (I can't speak for the outback). There are 2 pins for the LSV, 1 to keep in the stowed upright position and the other for settings 1-3.

I have not personally seen the LSV Flow, but from all the rumblings I heard as ideas and what not on my Mojo when I first got the Flow I can believe it goes below the hull.

I was told several times buy people <who were told by a salesman> to turn it all the way down below the hull, but the Mojo you don't do this. It was always designed to be in the locking pins.

My thinking is with the LSV and it having such a different hull that it would swing down below the hull to generate the change in the wave.

It needs to be locked in with the Pin in order for it to not move while the boat is under way.

RobertJ
04-02-2015, 12:45 AM
I bought one and hope to get it installed soon.

Woody929
04-02-2015, 07:28 AM
Here is a document with settings that the dealer sent me yesterday. I hope to try them in a couple of weeks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5sexqtqxwcthzcq/flow%20surf%20system.docx?dl=1

13mobiusLSV
04-06-2015, 08:33 PM
I made it out yesterday and was able to play around with the flow for the first time.

From last season with factory ballast and no flow to this year with the flow, 900s in the rear, and a 500lb IBS here were my initial (uneducated) observations.

- not nearly as weight sensitive from passengers sitting on riders side to opposite side
-much more speed sensitive.

Last year with factory ballast and no flow would surf with hard tank full, riders side full, wakeplate up @ 10.6

Yesterday I started with the specs in the above link but found that in the opposite side of the rider, the wake still was better with less weight.

Goofy: started with the rear 900, hard tank, 500 IBS full and opposite side 50% full (approx 450lbs) and varied the speed between 10.6-11.2. I started reducing the port side bag in increments until 20% @ 11.0mph and wakeplate 1/2 down (12:00 position). From there I played with deployed the flow from positions 1-3, to see the results in each respective setting.

Regular: rider side 900, hard tank, 500ibs all full and opposite side at 20%. The only significance I found was it seemed to require less wakeplate input. We maybe had 30-40% down (10:30-11:00 position)

All of this while was done with 3 adults in the boat.

Hope this helps for those with the LSV and can help you fine tune your ballast quicker with the manual flow.

jstenger
04-07-2015, 06:41 PM
I made it out yesterday and was able to play around with the flow for the first time.

From last season with factory ballast and no flow to this year with the flow, 900s in the rear, and a 500lb IBS here were my initial (uneducated) observations.

- not nearly as weight sensitive from passengers sitting on riders side to opposite side
-much more speed sensitive.

Last year with factory ballast and no flow would surf with hard tank full, riders side full, wakeplate up @ 10.6

Yesterday I started with the specs in the above link but found that in the opposite side of the rider, the wake still was better with less weight.

Goofy: started with the rear 900, hard tank, 500 IBS full and opposite side 50% full (approx 450lbs) and varied the speed between 10.6-11.2. I started reducing the port side bag in increments until 20% @ 11.0mph and wakeplate 1/2 down (12:00 position). From there I played with deployed the flow from positions 1-3, to see the results in each respective setting.

Regular: rider side 900, hard tank, 500ibs all full and opposite side at 20%. The only significance I found was it seemed to require less wakeplate input. We maybe had 30-40% down (10:30-11:00 position)

All of this while was done with 3 adults in the boat.

Hope this helps for those with the LSV and can help you fine tune your ballast quicker with the manual flow.
Was the FLOW wave a huge difference?
Was it worth the price?

13mobiusLSV
04-08-2015, 08:11 PM
A huge difference no? Would I do it all over again? Yes. I Don't have to run as much ballast to get a big improvement on the wake. The boat is more evenly weighted and handles better. All those coupled together makes the purchase worth it to me.

jsmith227
05-27-2015, 03:24 PM
I called my local shop yesterday and they said that the Flow cannot be retro fitted to my '08 LSV. I've read differently and it I think the hull is the same through 2012, but I'm not sure. Anybody out there have any reason why it wouldn't work? Has anyone tried to install it themselves?

wolfeman131
05-27-2015, 07:35 PM
Manual flow should not be a problem. Auto flow won't work. Maybe they were confused as to what you were asking about?

nitrodude24
05-27-2015, 08:25 PM
On the older boats 06-12 you have to modify the platform or trim the handles on the manual flow as drew said auto flow no go I mean you can install it it will mount up and figure a way to by a stand alone controller from Lenco then it will work but it won't be integrated into the boat

mmandley
05-27-2015, 08:55 PM
If you upgrade to the surf style platform you wont have to modify your platform.

If you want and AutoFlow there is an aftermarket company making a controller already and you can have Auto Flow on your older boat.

We thought a lot about going this route with our 13 Mojo but in the end, the cost to re-glass the back of the boat after removing Flow and then the cost of the Auto Flow was just not reasonable.

jsmith227
05-28-2015, 09:40 AM
Thanks guys. I was only looking at the manual flow. It's possible they thought I meant the Auto Flow. I've been reading a lot and I'm really on the fence on whether to add Manual Flow or if I'd really be better off upgrading to a Mojo. Seems drastic to spend 10's of thousands more if a 1.5k will get me a good surf wake. I love my LSV and it's in great shape, but the older it gets the less I'm going to get for it. I feel like I can still get top dollar for it now. Sorry if I'm high jacking the thread, but I feel like this has a lot of us eye balling an upgrade.

wolfeman131
05-28-2015, 10:09 AM
get the Mojo!

there is a surf-ready, 2012 at Atlanta Marine.

https://atlantamarine.com/boats/2012-moomba-mojo-2-5/

jsmith227
05-28-2015, 10:18 AM
I checked that one out. That's where I started and the wife and I cannot agree on the blue! However, they have a new 2014 they are trying to sell me, but it's red and I'm not a fan of the red interior. You really think the Mojo is that much more boat? Also, if I start entertaining a new boat shouldn't I just man up and get a 2015 to get the auto flow?

wolfeman131
05-28-2015, 10:21 AM
That is my boat. I'll make you a deal on it that will have you loving the blue.

Yes, the Mojo is that more boat IMO. Unfortunately, you can't man up as the 2015 Mojo production is sold out.

jsmith227
05-28-2015, 10:50 AM
Just sent you a PM.

89PROSTAR
05-28-2015, 11:44 AM
I just added the Flow on my 2010 LSV. We entertained the idea of upgrading to either a Mojo or the T23 this year. We love our lsv so decided to keep it another year and add the flow. We've only had it out once since. It was worth it! I still need to dial it in. I typically run pretty light because I don't like tripping all over bags. I have 1000lbs surfside, 750 goofy, 400ish center, & about 400 ibs. I only had my wife and my youngest son in the boat (he is about 160lbs) so the push wasn't that great but it wont take much more. The shape of the wave was impressive I thought. The mod on the swim deck was to move it aft about an inch or so. That provides enough clearance for the handles on the flow.

kaneboats
05-28-2015, 11:46 AM
I just added the Flow on my 2010 LSV. . . . The mod on the swim deck was to move it aft about an inch or so. That provides enough clearance for the handles on the flow.

Sounds like a great idea on moving the swim deck back a little.

mikenehrkorn
05-28-2015, 01:34 PM
Good luck with that....since the newly modified swim platform comes as part of the package for the manual flow I couldn't get either of the two dealers I was talking to to even give me a quote for just the Flow WITHOUT the new platform?? :(

89PROSTAR
05-28-2015, 02:03 PM
They should have no problem making the mod. If not then do it yourself. It takes minutes to do it. Just ask for the flow and no swim deck.

parrothd
05-28-2015, 02:05 PM
Moomba dealers are.....

Try Cathy at Atlanta Marine, if that fails contact skiers choice, they're actually extremely helpful. Id mention something that you have a custom platform already..

wolfeman131
05-28-2015, 02:14 PM
You want to ask for CYNDE at Atlanta Marine. It's tough to remember since it's spelled a little different. Make sure to tell her you're from the Moomba forum.

770-945-5666

http://www.mbatlantamarineservice.com/index.html

mikenehrkorn
05-28-2015, 02:49 PM
I talked to Atlanta Marine (via email but I don't believe it was Cynde) and they told me the same thing -- the package includes both the Flow and a new platform and the Flow couldn't be ordered separately.

I did not try SC directly, I pretty much gave up at that point...

89PROSTAR
05-29-2015, 10:58 AM
You could order it from AWS here in Oregon City and install it yourself. They left the directions in my boat. It's not difficult. I should have done it myself.