New Surf System.

[mac013]

Hey guys.
I'm hearing that moomba is going to debut a new automatic not manual surf system for 2015? Anyone heard of this and what do you think?
Thanks

[tnbrooks01]

Heard about it. Haven't sent it. I wouldn't use the term automatic. More like powered vs manual. I'm guessing the swell system utilizing toggle switches like the Axis surf gate.

[mac013]

Thanks Todd.
Thought I might have dreamt it. I thought I saw a photo and brochure somewhere yet I haven't seen it anywhere on the Moomba site. Will it allow a rider to switch from regular to goofy while riding?

[smorris7]

My sales rep at the dealership said the new system would be closer to the Mastercraft Gen 2 surf tabs. A type of trim tab setup. Still working on the R and D.


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[mac013]

What do you think? Something to avoid in 2015 or will Moomba have it perfected?
It's now an option on 2015 boats and I have to decide...... Need help and opinions.
Thanks

[uniwarking]

Does anyone actually have pictures of this? I can't find anything and I don't see it on the Configurator or in and of the SC social media outlets. I'm still trying to decide if I want to add the flow to my 13 but I'm curious if this new unconfirmed system will be backwards compatible... if it exists at all.

[jstenger]

My salesman said it is a version of the Supra SWELL without the computer. Dealers meeting is next week. Hopefully more info will come out then.

[mac013]

Just checking to see if anyone has any more information?
I have finally seen a picture of the new electronic system. Totally reminds me of the MC system
Could this work on the Moomba or should we avoid until perfected?

[moombadaze]

but will it be retro fitable, the hull has not changed since 06. that is the question a lot of us would like a answer to. course, if it cost a arm and a leg it wont be going on mine

[13mobiusLSV]

Anyone know if it can work in parallel with the flow? I just had that installed. Of course if this automatic system is anything like the automatic wakeplate I'll avoid it like the plague.

[mmandley]

I have been talking to my dealer and my SC contact.

I can't officially say if there is any truth in the details but you can bet it will be on my Mojo if its a real item. I am hearing mixed results on applications but also nothing is concrete till its released.

I was told if its real goes public end of year, Dealers are at SC now getting all the info on 15 models and changes.

I can say if you have manual Flow like myself, No they wont work in tandem because both systems would bolt to the rear corners. Swell is mounted on a Supra in the same place but the tab comes down under the boat instead of to the side.

[trayson]

I have been talking to my dealer and my SC contact.

I can't officially say if there is any truth in the details but you can bet it will be on my Mojo if its a real item. I am hearing mixed results on applications but also nothing is concrete till its released.

I was told if its real goes public end of year, Dealers are at SC now getting all the info on 15 models and changes.

I can say if you have manual Flow like myself, No they wont work in tandem because both systems would bolt to the rear corners. Swell is mounted on a Supra in the same place but the tab comes down under the boat instead of to the side.

Mike, you're a man after my own heart. My friends have called me a "Heat Seeker". Always drawn to the newest, Hottest thing!

You're a whole lotta awesome! don't ever change.

[uniwarking]

I'm subscribed... Eager to learn more. I was looking to add the Flow this spring but this is more interesting... I'm just worried about the cost since the basic Flow system wasn't exactly cheap as an add-on. There are plenty of things to spend money on with a boating hobby...


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[mmandley]

I'm subscribed... Eager to learn more. I was looking to add the Flow this spring but this is more interesting... I'm just worried about the cost since the basic Flow system wasn't exactly cheap as an add-on. There are plenty of things to spend money on with a boating hobby...


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I'm with you man, I'd expect it to cost more then Flow since its rumored to be adjustable, but I would expect less then Swell as its automatic from the dash.

Maybe I'll have a Flow for sale in the spring to recoup a little cost lol.

[jstenger]

Rick T posted the 2015 boat show incentives. The new "AutoFlow Surf" will be free for 2015's ordered at the boat shows. Price looks to be $1900 plus install if you buy it after.

http://moomba.com/boat_show/

[mmandley]

Rick T posted the 2015 boat show incentives. The new "AutoFlow Surf" will be free for 2015's ordered at the boat shows. Price looks to be $1900 plus install if you buy it after.

http://moomba.com/boat_show/

Well since its Public,

Yes its true, Yes we are trying to be the first Customer boat to get it installed like the Flow.

I am still hearing mixed results of it can be retrofited to the 13 but trust me, I am not letting details like that stop us. If I can physically get it mounted to my boat, then I can get it wired and powered up. LOL

[jstenger]

I agree with Mike 100%

[mmandley]

Spoke to SC today.

Good News is the Auto-Flow does fit the 12-13 Mojo hulls. It was tested on a 13 Mojo.
Current obstacle is the Computer in the 13 doesn't support the Auto-Flow software. This makes me think it auto adjusts when you slow down so it wont be down when you trailer the boat. This would be bad. First thought is buy a new computer, but it sounds like I need an entire dash upgrade.

I am looking into whether I can replace my entire dash, as the 14 computer is larger and won't fit in the 13 dash cut out.
If I did this I would have to upgrade the dash instruments also. B.O.A.T. right? LOL

At this point I'm all in with the idea up to 5K if its over that then I'm not going to do it.

I think I can get it done for 3K as this is really my ideal comfort level for this project. I'll keep you posted as I learn more about it. Right now its still new, no plans are concrete for retrofit or kits. I am digging up the details though.

[RobertJ]

Mike just buy a 15.

[13mobiusLSV]

Spoke to SC today.

Good News is the Auto-Flow does fit the 12-13 Mojo hulls. It was tested on a 13 Mojo.
Current obstacle is the Computer in the 13 doesn't support the Auto-Flow software. This makes me think it auto adjusts when you slow down so it wont be down when you trailer the boat. This would be bad. First thought is buy a new computer, but it sounds like I need an entire dash upgrade.

I am looking into whether I can replace my entire dash, as the 14 computer is larger and won't fit in the 13 dash cut out.
If I did this I would have to upgrade the dash instruments also. B.O.A.T. right? LOL

At this point I'm all in with the idea up to 5K if its over that then I'm not going to do it.

I think I can get it done for 3K as this is really my ideal comfort level for this project. I'll keep you posted as I learn more about it. Right now its still new, no plans are concrete for retrofit or kits. I am digging up the details though.

Mike are you looking to adopt? I'm not much to look at, but I'm handy around the house.

[bergermaister]

Mike are you looking to adopt? I'm not much to look at, but I'm handy around the house.

Beat me to it...

[viking]

Mike just buy a 15.

My thoughts EXACTLY - a 15 SG would solve your problems!!

[mmandley]

My thoughts EXACTLY - a 15 SG would solve your problems!!


HAHA you guys are funny.

First I don't want a 15, I would have to pay WAY more for it then i did my Mojo. 20K more is not worth .6 inches and the new surf system. Plus I LOVE my Skylon tower lol.

I would love an SG its actually the perfect boat but I'm not ready to pony up 100K for a new boat at this time. Maybe in a few more years. IDK.

[Mrd8ker]

People pay a lot for .6 inches! :)

[jmvotto]

People pay a lot for .6 inches! :)

Isn't it .6 ft

[rdlangston13]

Isn't it .6 ft

actually its .5 ft and 6 inches

[jmvotto]

For 5g I use my 40 buck ghetto gate


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[uniwarking]

Rick T posted the 2015 boat show incentives. The new "AutoFlow Surf" will be free for 2015's ordered at the boat shows. Price looks to be $1900 plus install if you buy it after.

http://moomba.com/boat_show/

One thing to note is that I'm sure this $1900 price tag wont be for the aftermarket retail... the standard Flow is heavily marked up over what it costs from the factory. Still though, if I'm going to pay $1500 ~ $2000 for the Flow I'd certainly consider paying a little more for a more effective and adjustable system. Listing works great but still makes me a little nervous... especially with multiple little ones on the boat.

[jstenger]

Spoke to SC today.

Good News is the Auto-Flow does fit the 12-13 Mojo hulls. It was tested on a 13 Mojo.
Current obstacle is the Computer in the 13 doesn't support the Auto-Flow software. This makes me think it auto adjusts when you slow down so it wont be down when you trailer the boat. This would be bad. First thought is buy a new computer, but it sounds like I need an entire dash upgrade.

I am looking into whether I can replace my entire dash, as the 14 computer is larger and won't fit in the 13 dash cut out.
If I did this I would have to upgrade the dash instruments also. B.O.A.T. right? LOL

At this point I'm all in with the idea up to 5K if its over that then I'm not going to do it.

I think I can get it done for 3K as this is really my ideal comfort level for this project. I'll keep you posted as I learn more about it. Right now its still new, no plans are concrete for retrofit or kits. I am digging up the details though.

MB uses the same exact computer as the 2014 and newer Moomba's. They have their "Switch Surf System" tied into it just as I am sure Moomba will do. A simple cumputer flash should take care of the programming.

http://mbsports.net/content.cfm?n=standards

The 11th slide shows the computer in their dash.

I checked it out over the summer. If I remember correctly, the tabs are controlled by either the rubber buttons on the computer or a redundant "Switch" push button on the armrest.

[cornrickey]

My wake gates keep looking better and better

[BrettLee3232]

Will this work with the mondo?

[jstenger]

Yes it will.

[mmandley]

Spoke again with SC Monday and in great detail about how fare I can commit to this project.

Option 1. To keep it all Factory like say a 15, I would have to invest in a New Main harness, new dash for drivers side, new computer, gauges, and then the Auto-Flow. To keep the dash symmetrical I would have to upgrade the Passenger side too. They are estimating WAY more then 5K. With that said I would be better off selling mine and buying a 15.

Option 2. Wait for the Vender kit coming out in Spring, get that installed and go with the Auto-Flow that way. Much cheaper then 5K but I'm still expecting 2.5K price.

Option 3. Sell the only true 1 off Mojo ever sold to a private owner. What makes this a true 1 off? The only Skylon tower installed on a Mojo from the factory, and its also the only White tower on a 13 from the factory.

Not sure that this makes the boat worth anything more to a buyer but its worth a shot. Issue is I think what I want for the boat is more then Market will pay for the boat. I have seen WAY to many Mojo in the low 50s for sale and not nearly as optioned as mine.

[muehlcj]

Any pictures out yet?

[mmandley]

Nope, I expect them to be showing up soon. Our Boat show is in 2 weeks and I think our dealer will have one installed. If so Ill take pics and post them.

[moombadaze]

Option 2. Wait for the Vender kit coming out in Spring, get that installed and go with the Auto-Flow that way. Much cheaper then 5K but I'm still expecting 2.5K price.

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Mike, is this "vender kit" the retro kit? and will it work on the LSV's ?

[mmandley]

Mike, is this "vender kit" the retro kit? and will it work on the LSV's ?

Yes and IDK on LSV. It all depends on how much room it takes on the back of the hull.

[muehlcj]

Is it the same bolt pattern as the flow? If not patching the holes from the flow can't be cheap?

[mac013]

Any pictures out yet?

If you search the Web you will see pictures out there of the new flow system including a brochure from Moomba .
It appears that some dealers already have boats in stock with the new system..
Now what we need is someone to comment who has tried it.
I ordered my new Moomba with it but am nervous after trying the MC dud and this appears to be the same?

[jmvotto]

If you search the Web you will see pictures out there of the new flow system including a brochure from Moomba .
It appears that some dealers already have boats in stock with the new system..
Now what we need is someone to comment who has tried it.
I ordered my new Moomba with it but am nervous after trying the MC dud and this appears to be the same?

Please post the links to the pics and elaborate on the mc dud, the manual flow is proved to work, not sure why the automatice would be a dud?

[wolfeman131]

I haven't seen the autoflow in action, but know just enough to be dangerous.

There is a switch in the dash by the display that let's you toggle to right side or left. You can have a preset for the actuator in regards to how far the tab will deploy. You can't change this while underway. I'm not 100% certain on the total degree of movement of the tabs.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/26/1b98a61378370c30e207f3bf64488c9c.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/26/f0059fc9678cb65cc195a2e3e8e570e9.jpg

[uniwarking]

You'd think some simple trim tab controllers would do the trick for the retrofit. You'd just have to remember where to put them for skim/surf etc. A whole Lenco trim tab system is ~ $500, it appears the only real difference here is the shape of the tab and the integration into the computer.

[bergermaister]

Really wondering about tie down strap clearance - especially on a retrofit. Looks close already on the pic above.

[jstenger]

Looking at the pics, the only way it will work on the LSV, is if Moomba fabs up a large aluminum block to make the transom flat like the Mojo and Mondo.

[trayson]

You'd think some simple trim tab controllers would do the trick for the retrofit. You'd just have to remember where to put them for skim/surf etc. A whole Lenco trim tab system is ~ $500, it appears the only real difference here is the shape of the tab and the integration into the computer.

There are a few people making controllers for surf gates. I know Martin Archer has an amazing one on the Malibu crew. And there's a guy on the MB forum that's about to release a controller that's a middle ground solution that has auto-deploy/retract as well as the ability to do a side switch for transfer tricks.

I have a friend that has surf gates with lenco tabs and he simply uses momentary rocker switches to retract and deploy.

If you wanted to get as sophisticated as the LED display on the lenco controllers, you could certainly do that too. But it floors me that the lenco switches are like $500 because they have that indicator.

[trayson]

Really wondering about tie down strap clearance - especially on a retrofit. Looks close already on the pic above.

Yeah, that's probably why they don't have them hooked up!

Of course, my Sunsport didn't even come with rear transom straps. I have them on my XLV though. If I ever had a system like shown on the boat above, I'd have to change the mounting point of my straps on the trailer...


I guess my biggest worry/concern would be the fact that with how they're mounted, they'd have to be lag screwed into the hull. with them being at the rear-most bottom corner of the hull, there's no way you'd be able to put a backing plate there to hold down the hinge...

[trayson]

http://b24s.ch/img/ins/Moomba-Mojo-AutoFlow-Surf-System_thumbnail_273902_2_470_1419339988.jpg

[jstenger]

http://b24s.ch/img/ins/Moomba-Mojo-AutoFlow-Surf-System_thumbnail_273902_2_470_1419339988.jpg
Well according to the pic, it says Mojo, Mondo, and LSV! So unless they changed the transom on the 2015 LSV, which I do not think they did, it should fit the 2015 and older LSV's. It also looks like there is a thin aluminum block between the hinge plate and the transom. Looks like another well thought ahead design for retrofit to other boats.

[jstenger]

http://b24s.ch/img/ins/Moomba-Mojo-AutoFlow-Surf-System_thumbnail_273902_2_470_1419339988.jpg
It also looks like other than some wiring changes, and a computer flash, the only physical change to the 2014's and early 2015's would be having to add the surf switch switch. This could probably be mounted anyware. As I posted earlier, this is an almost identical copy of MB's surf system controller. Don't get mad at me if you think I am throwing Moomba ander the bus, because I am not. I am just stating it so that you can check it out on current MB's that are sitting in showrooms. The Autoflow tabs are similar to the MB gen 1 tabs but different than the MB gen 2 tabs. The control systems should be very similar.

[trayson]

Looking at the pics, the only way it will work on the LSV, is if Moomba fabs up a large aluminum block to make the transom flat like the Mojo and Mondo.

why do you think they put the mount of the actuator so close the the fulcrum of the tab? Is that so they can use a shorter throw actuator? or to keep the actuator closer into the hull? Just seems like an interesting choice of design. Had I designed it, I would have thought that the actuator top would be mounted closer into the hull and the actuator bottom would be further toward the stern of the tab...

[jstenger]

why do you think they put the mount of the actuator so close the the fulcrum of the tab? Is that so they can use a shorter throw actuator? or to keep the actuator closer into the hull? Just seems like an interesting choice of design. Had I designed it, I would have thought that the actuator top would be mounted closer into the hull and the actuator bottom would be further toward the stern of the tab...
By having the actuator close to the fulcrum, they can get a large swing out of the tab with a short actuator.

[trayson]

By having the actuator close to the fulcrum, they can get a large swing out of the tab with a short actuator.

So it's not the length of the actuator, it's how you use it!!!!

(at least that's what Berg keeps telling his woman...)

[moombadaze]

top of the actuator is further from the stern than the bottom---not as noticeable as the Supra Swell but along the same lines.

waiting for real world reviews..

[jstenger]

This is MB's gen 1 system.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/MB%20Switch.png.jpeg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/MB%20Switch.png.jpeg.html)

Even though it's similar, I hope the Moomba version is better. The MB guys weren't happy with gen 1 and now there is a gen 2. The gen 2 puts the hinge on an angle. This makes the tab, when extended, flat with the back of the boat. Looks just like Nautiques NSS when it is deployed.

[trayson]

This is MB's gen 1 system.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/MB%20Switch.png.jpeg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/MB%20Switch.png.jpeg.html)

Even though it's similar, I hope the Moomba version is better. The MB guys weren't happy with gen 1 and now there is a gen 2. The gen 2 puts the hinge on an angle. This makes the tab, when extended, flat with the back of the boat. Looks just like Nautiques NSS when it is deployed.

I'd really like to see the gen 2 then. because when the NSS is deployed, it comes out 2.5 to 3" on the sides and .75 to 1" on the bottom. That's what I replicated when I put the manual NSS blades on my Supra Sunsport. I can't see how a tab that deploys downward could stick out past the sides of the hull like the NSS does.

[jstenger]

Only MB gen 2 pic I could find.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/tapatalk_1419629295634.jpeg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/tapatalk_1419629295634.jpeg.html)

[trayson]

I stand corrected.

just watch the pointy end when swimming off the back! Ouch!

[jstenger]

I stand corrected.

just watch the pointy end when swimming off the back! Ouch!
Yes, that pointy end is the biggest complaint right now.

[jstenger]

Found another one.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/l_201522tcblkmetalred004.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/l_201522tcblkmetalred004.jpg.html)

[bergermaister]

Is it just me or does the ass end of that Tomcat look a little, uh, like they just turned 3 engineers/designers loose with no collaboration? Or perhaps just had spare parts laying around.

-Truck door handles - squared off, nice and hard on the hands and especially if you slide over and get pinched in that open end
-Funky exhaust modeled after a handheld vacuum - squared off and, well....
-Surf "blades" from the old Batmobile you could kill yourself on

:confused:

[mmandley]

Well this isn't exactly what I was hopping to see. I was really hopping to see the Swell style system. This looks like a Trim Tab system that shouldn't cost 2K.

Unless they are factoring in the cost to re-glass the holes in the back of my boat from Flow.

Also why wouldn't you be able to adjust this while underway, I mean its essentially a Wake Plate on an angle.

[viking]

DAMN I'm thinking there are way too many manufactures chasing the surf system fad and rushing to market with "something" to compete with surfgate and NSS. I get it and can see that they need to have something to help sell more boats because everybody else is doing it and consumer wants it. But really the final verdict is still out on these systems. Alot of BU guys will argue that the best surf wave is still done with a listed non-surfgate setup. Centurions quick surfs design is less than desirable, MB's is just hideous, and I'd say Moomba's is in the same league. For me its another components to fail, more drag and higher fuel consumption, MAY NOT even help the surf wave, and first gens usually have issues anyway. I for one am watching the manufacturers on these systems to see the evolution or elimination of them over time.

[muehlcj]

If you are going to choose a system to emulate to bad it's not NSS. IMO it's the most attractive, simple and yet very effective.

[muehlcj]

If delayed convergence is your theory of choice on surf systems you can see how the flow deployed would cause that to happen. Much like NSS or surfgate. This just seems like trim tabs. They do not extend past the side of the hull. MC has had this forever.

[jmvotto]

The original flow seems to be the most simple and non failure design . If I could get one on the xlv, I would keep the simplicity of it. MC. Has had these surf tabs for 5 or 6 years . Maybe not the bracketed actuators , the work ok. As said before the nss is probably the best looking auto surf tab with minimal transom transformation . My .02

[uniwarking]

Agree 100%, the original FLOW is cleaner and simple. This new Autoflow is nothing more than trim tabs. Those things hanging out there are not appealing, I have lots of kids on the boat throughout the year. I love the look and simplicity of the NSS... They look like they should be there... And they work without listing.

Either way, I'd love having a quality wave without listing. My biggest hang-up is the price tag. I'm looking at ~$1600 for the Flow installed and I'm sure the AutoFlow would be at least triple that installed.

I'm interested to see what people think of the new system. If people are listing and using the devices as they were with the FLOW, it seems somewhat useless. On the other hand, the goofy wave without the Flow or a TON of weight is terrible... I ended up learning to ride switch so I could experience a decent wave.


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[mmandley]

Right now I'm with you. I am not overly impressed with the Auto-Flow in terms of physically what it is.

To me it looks like all its trying to do is Extend your hull, and roll the boat over a bit more without adding more weight.
Extending the Hull will only cause the wave to form later, thus making you farther away from the boat which is always good.

I am really on the fence here, I think I will need to actually Test Surf this system before I spend my green backs on it.

Unlike the Flow I bought the first one that AWS got for retrofit.

The Flow truly does change the wave shape, allows less weight to be ran for the same quality of wave with more weight. Or you can balance the boat to allow more then factory weight and create even bigger waves.

[muehlcj]

Right now I'm with you. I am not overly impressed with the Auto-Flow in terms of physically what it is.

To me it looks like all its trying to do is Extend your hull, and roll the boat over a bit more without adding more weight.
Extending the Hull will only cause the wave to form later, thus making you farther away from the boat which is always good.

I am really on the fence here, I think I will need to actually Test Surf this system before I spend my green backs on it.

Unlike the Flow I bought the first one that AWS got for retrofit.

The Flow truly does change the wave shape, allows less weight to be ran for the same quality of wave with more weight. Or you can balance the boat to allow more then factory weight and create even bigger waves.

What's your current regular side set up with flow?

We've been running 1100 rear surf side rear, 400 under port seat, center tank full, ibs, 250 lbs of lead in bow then one 750 on floor rear port and one 750 on seat rear port and 200 lbs rear off side. Really like this wave but we are back to bags in boat.

[mmandley]

What's your current regular side set up with flow?

We've been running 1100 rear surf side rear, 400 under port seat, center tank full, ibs, 250 lbs of lead in bow then one 750 on floor rear port and one 750 on seat rear port and 200 lbs rear off side. Really like this wave but we are back to bags in boat.

Thats a lot of weight and roll to one side. I can't do bags in the back on the floor or seats.

We roll out with.
900 both rears
500 Center
650 IBS
160 Lead next to the 3 batteries on Port
450 Sumo Bag in Bow on Port side.

Boat sits pretty level swim deck is about 4 inches under water.
Flow on Starboard side setting 2 <middle>
Speed 10.8-11.2 depends on rider, Wake plate for good people 100% up, for the newbies 0-50% up

[muehlcj]

Thats a lot of weight and roll to one side. I can't do bags in the back on the floor or seats.

We roll out with.
900 both rears
500 Center
650 IBS
160 Lead next to the 3 batteries on Port
450 Sumo Bag in Bow on Port side.

Boat sits pretty level swim deck is about 4 inches under water.
Flow on Starboard side setting 2 <middle>
Speed 10.8-11.2 depends on rider, Wake plate for good people 100% up, for the newbies 0-50% up

I'm hoping that flow will let me eliminate weight on seat and add it to offside. Did the flow help you with starboard wave? We've had a really hard time with it. Most of the time we end up giving up.

[mmandley]

I'm hoping that flow will let me eliminate weight on seat and add it to offside. Did the flow help you with starboard wave? We've had a really hard time with it. Most of the time we end up giving up.

I used to run 1500 Port and some off-weight before Flow, Now I run 900 both sides. Wave is every bit as big with less roll.

Goofy is still a pain but Wife is Goofy so I have to make it legit.

Flow helped it a lot. We still run Traditional weight on 1 side only for goofy. 1500 Enzo bag, 160 lead under drivers dash plus 500 Hard, 650 IBS and 450 On bow seats on drivers side.

Flow set to 1-2 depends on who is riding and wake plate 100% up. Wave is clean, and has good length.

Here is my buddy Curtis Surfing it.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203343338376520&set=vb.1602730788&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203343452419371&set=vb.1602730788&type=3&theater

[Jrichard1987]

Just got an email showing the new auto flow system anyone know if it will be available on 2014 lsv??? Looks like it's gonna be an awesome system!!


Jordan
2014 moomba möbius lsv

[jstenger]

Just got an email showing the new auto flow system anyone know if it will be available on 2014 lsv??? Looks like it's gonna be an awesome system!!


Jordan
2014 moomba möbius lsv
Read post #48 in this thread.

[jstenger]

For anyone that didn't get the email.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/5caa2785-3fcf-4acb-8530-d157bdeb2a4a.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/5caa2785-3fcf-4acb-8530-d157bdeb2a4a.jpg.html)

http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=a8e01e206bf7bb07c531ae976&id=9025f86ef5&e=57ae3b6ec8

[cornrickey]

Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't look mind blowing to me.

[DOCDRS]

at first glance , I'm going to say torquing gel coat spider cracks and future bracket failure from metal fatigue. Not sure how the upper brakets are mounted , backing plates?, but it looks like a small vertical dimension for support and the narrowing at the edge of the actuator looks like a good fatigue point. The lever action forces are my concern.




For anyone that didn't get the email.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/5caa2785-3fcf-4acb-8530-d157bdeb2a4a.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/5caa2785-3fcf-4acb-8530-d157bdeb2a4a.jpg.html)

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[RobertJ]

Saw the auto-flow in person yesterday and looks better in person under a platform than in the pictures without the platform. The auto-flow was installed on a 2015 Mojo and was very clean and looked to be "worry free", this was a dealer install. I don't have any top secret information but upon my observation the auto-flow should be retrofittable to any of the hulls that they make it for. For example; the older Mojo's should be able to use it along with the '07 and newer LSV's (if they do make one for the ''15 LSV). The only issue I see with older retrofit's is that the system won't be integrated into your dash/display. No auto up and down tied to your cruise control but you could operate it from the helm with switches, just like trim tabs. Just my observation

I was going to put on the flow on my '07LSV, but after looking at the "auto-flow" I am going to wait a little bit. Sure liked the Mondo, just has a very short tower on it. At 6"3" just walking under in the middle of the boat I hit my head. It would be perfect with the taller tower off a Mojo.

If you are in Portland be sure to stop by the boat show to see the Auto-Flow and the great products AWS has at their booth.

[jstenger]

I also saw the AutoFlow in person today. This was on a Mondo that just got to the dealership. It should be unwrapped and inside by next week. I took a short video below.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/th_20150106_125604.mp4 (http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125604.mp4)

[jstenger]

Took some pics also.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125231.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125231.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125238.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125238.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125244.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125244.jpg.html)

[jstenger]

Here are some more.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125252.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125252.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125300.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125300.jpg.html)

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125311.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125311.jpg.html)

[mikenehrkorn]

All the pics I've seen only show the tabs in the up position -- any with the tabs fully deployed / down? How far down do they go?

[jstenger]

Hopefully next week.

[viking]

Kinda makes there rear tie downs on the trailer useless unless they relocated the transom hooks and just can't see them in photo?

[DOCDRS]

Here are some more.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd382/Joestenger/20150106_125252.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/Joestenger/media/20150106_125252.jpg.html)





Looks awesome and I hope it works as good as it looks.............but

Why would you not design it so the actuator is in the middle of the surface are of the plate to evenly distribute the forces evenly on all the hinge and pivot points to minimize torquing fatigue. .02. Looks like an afterthought. I definitely like the idea but the design looks like it's set up for possible wear a failure issues. These plates are thicker than trim tab plates I would imagine because of increase pressure that will be placed on them. You don't see actuators at the side of trim plates.......most likely for a reason.......I bet we see a redesign next year.....it doesn't take an engineer to see the hinges , actuator pins and gel coat are all going to be susceptible to issues in the future. I'd wait for the redesign year......but that's just me and my negative thinking.

[brain_rinse]

Maybe moving the actuators out would interfere with the wave?

[moombadaze]

for tie down clearance, it looks like there is a quick release pin on the bottom of the actuator so the plate will drop down out of the way, not sure what happens with the actuator at that point, maybe it just hangs there flapping in the wind

[trayson]

Right now I'm with you. I am not overly impressed with the Auto-Flow in terms of physically what it is.

To me it looks like all its trying to do is Extend your hull, and roll the boat over a bit more without adding more weight.
Extending the Hull will only cause the wave to form later, thus making you farther away from the boat which is always good.

I am really on the fence here, I think I will need to actually Test Surf this system before I spend my green backs on it.

Unlike the Flow I bought the first one that AWS got for retrofit.

The Flow truly does change the wave shape, allows less weight to be ran for the same quality of wave with more weight. Or you can balance the boat to allow more then factory weight and create even bigger waves.


I think that the surf assist looks to be cooler than the Auto Flow...

http://www.gosurfassist.com/home-page.html


http://youtu.be/PMABv64z20I

http://nebula.wsimg.com/fa4f1c786bd14deeff750561d4a33454?AccessKeyId=722D8 16CAA5E39506CD5&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

[trayson]

All the pics I've seen only show the tabs in the up position -- any with the tabs fully deployed / down? How far down do they go?

I'd say that they were maybe up to 45degrees off the hull when fully deployed.

The travel of the actuator from up to fully deployed was honestly maybe an inch. this pic was fully deployed.
you can get some idea of the angle relative to the wakeplate.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QAF3MLFwPnQ/VLAVjRtzdTI/AAAAAAAAXSU/D3J3B-HEeEQ/s800/20150108_182909.jpg

[trayson]

Here's some more pics of the autoflow that I took last night.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rYvKvZSJo2s/VLAVboHsv-I/AAAAAAAAXR0/RylnzhItXUk/s800/20150108_182553.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ibn36cUe9KE/VLAVeTrkqWI/AAAAAAAAXR8/gE6IQuPLjWI/s800/20150108_182610.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e7_zbrYpq4Y/VLAVgfd9O1I/AAAAAAAAXSE/qdAYcDAwM_I/s800/20150108_182559.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o0Ojc5M0pCc/VLAVh6k2RnI/AAAAAAAAXSM/g5GR9XUtd9o/s800/20150108_182634.jpg

[trayson]

Some other pics of other manufacturers surf systems...

The new tab style that they're using on Supreme and Centurion. This pic is on a Supreme:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z_YhJPdozZs/VLAVksu-trI/AAAAAAAAXSc/YBuD9YQ4d1g/s800/20150108_191017.jpg

MB Sports new version. basically, it pushes the tab over so it overlaps the hull like an NSS does. But just not with a slick sideways execution like NSS. Also, I spent a lot of time talking to Chuck at Pavati and they have a really clean NSS style system but with different actuators now. I found out that the reason pavati was able to have basically a carbon copy of the NSS is because they simply licensed it from the same people that made it for correct craft.
MB Sports:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P2CkDQmx0Vw/VLAVlq_bJ1I/AAAAAAAAXSk/N3d2WHzMmgc/s800/20150108_191716.jpg

Here is a shot of a tab mounted on a Centurion. They figure that if people really want tabs, they'll offer them. Money talks.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mpzzULiYe1k/VLAVsziB-8I/AAAAAAAAXTM/jV3bwgi23OA/s800/20150108_203616.jpg

[trayson]

And here are some pics of the Mastercraft Gen2. they actually vary their tabs based on what hull they're mounted to. And even by the hull the tabs will be different on port vs starboard. For example, the starboard tab didn't have the channels that this port side tab had. But it's interesting to see what they're doing with angles of the tab walls and with the channels underneath. definitely shows there's a lot to be gained by tab shapes, angles, channels.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E1eiZPDlIRQ/VLAVr-LSH4I/AAAAAAAAXTE/qEQe2YFIHs8/s800/20150108_191959.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D0z4heusz6c/VLAVq5lw4NI/AAAAAAAAXS8/Q5zySkP8gN0/s800/20150108_192006.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z3p5z3v3-Mg/VLAVp1MYHKI/AAAAAAAAXS0/Xknl4Y7xXVs/s800/20150108_192017.jpg

And just for kicks, a pic of the crazy tower that Mastercraft is using with an onboard shock absorber (same concept as the gas struts on the tailgate of your SUV).
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MNDqraVKroY/VLAVod1u0mI/AAAAAAAAXSs/US4GLk3nEFs/s800/20150108_192152.jpg

[jstenger]

I found another Go Surf Assist video on another forum.

http://youtu.be/2HQctB8U0Z8

[mnpracing]

Well this isn't exactly what I was hopping to see. I was really hopping to see the Swell style system. This looks like a Trim Tab system that shouldn't cost 2K.


Aren't both the Swell and AutoFlow "just" trim tabs? Might be mounted a different angles, and have different shaped trim tabs, but they are trim tabs, no?

[jstenger]

The Swell has a greater angle of movement than the Autoflow.

[FreshAir]

21226
Trayson, looks like we were cruising the same boat show last weekend.
I thought the AutoFlow looked pretty nice in person and cant wait to see some on water reports.... Even better yet i cant wait to get out for a demo!

[jstenger]

I talked to the Moomba rep at the boat show today about the Autoflow. They are currently working on the controller for the 2012 and 2013 Mojo's and the 2013 and older LSV's for a retrofit. He says the 2014 and newer Mojo's, Mondo's, and LSV's without Autoflow should be a toggle switch and a computer flash since they already have the new style display. The kits should be out in the spring. He also said the 2015 LSV's are already coming off the production line with the Autoflow.