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moombahighrider
09-04-2014, 11:48 PM
For those of you that have drilled new holes for dedicated ballasts pumps, is your lifetime hull warranty intact?

I am wondering about the difference between this and installing the flow DIY...

nitrodude24
09-05-2014, 12:02 AM
Drill what you want. They would have to prove what you did caused the hull problem. I installed my flow myself. Just a warning there are no instructions, Assembl e and familiarize yourself with the parts. measure then Mark measure again double check marks and measure again. once I got the flow installed I realized my swim platform and my transom tiedown hooks aren't centered. so someone at sc isn't doing there job.

moombadaze
09-05-2014, 09:30 AM
I added a 4th pump to my ballast system but did not add a thru hole, just Tee'd off a existing factory thru hull

moombahighrider
09-05-2014, 11:02 AM
Drill what you want. They would have to prove what you did caused the hull problem. I installed my flow myself. Just a warning there are no instructions, Assembl e and familiarize yourself with the parts. measure then Mark measure again double check marks and measure again. once I got the flow installed I realized my swim platform and my transom tiedown hooks aren't centered. so someone at sc isn't doing there job.

I hear what you're saying but all they need is a reason to not cover it, I would think.

I'm just wondering if there is any point in paying the extra to the dealership to install the flow (also a 5+ hr trip- one way and they want it for 3 or 4 days) to keep my hull warranty intact. If I had drilled extra thru-hull fittings for pumps, is my hull warranty gone anyway?

The flow for my 08 fits different than for yours, because of the contour of the hull. When you installed yours, did it bolt thru the hull (washers and nuts inside the lockers) or was it more of a lag type bolt? I don't have access to the lower part of the hull from inside the locker.

nitrodude24
09-05-2014, 11:51 AM
The hulls are the same. The 2 upper bolts are drilled thru into the locker with nuts. The bottom 4 are 4" screws going into stringers below locker floor.

moombahighrider
09-05-2014, 12:59 PM
Got it, thanks. Sorry, I missed that you had an lsv.

moombahighrider
09-05-2014, 01:03 PM
I've been playing with make-shift gates on my lsv and saw some improvement in the wave and even weighting the boat, but I still ended up putting more weight on one side than the other. How do you weight your lsv with flow? And what settings on the flow do you find are best? We surf 50/50 regular and goofy, so I'm looking for the best setup for both sides.

mmandley
09-05-2014, 02:35 PM
Ok you asked about drilling holes, then want to toss in the FLOW which is a whole other game then just drilling holes.

Drilling a hole for Ballast is one thing, NO this doesn't void the hull warranty, BUT if you spider crack from this location, or it caused another hole drilled next to it from the factory to spider, then NO Warranty will be issued.

The FLOW I was told HAS TO BE INSTALLED by a DEALER. Other wise any damage, to the unit, hull, cracking, spiders will NOT BE WARRANTIED.

This is because the Flow is pulling a HUGE stress on the rear of the boat. Its creating a TON of drag and if everything isn't completely Flush, and drilled correctly it can cause cracks.

This also only voids the area you installed in. Not the entire boat.

This is what I was told when I purchased my Flow, this is why my Dealer installed it.

mmandley
09-05-2014, 02:37 PM
I've been playing with make-shift gates on my lsv and saw some improvement in the wave and even weighting the boat, but I still ended up putting more weight on one side than the other. How do you weight your lsv with flow? And what settings on the flow do you find are best? We surf 50/50 regular and goofy, so I'm looking for the best setup for both sides.

I'm sure you have seen my Flow posts.

I can weight evenly on my Mojo for Regular riders. Goofy is still classic weight one side, but I deploy the flow to lengthen and shape the wave so its nice and clean.

I have to weight classic on Goofy otherwise my riders tell me there is no Push.

moombahighrider
09-05-2014, 08:43 PM
I'm sure you have seen my Flow posts.

I can weight evenly on my Mojo for Regular riders. Goofy is still classic weight one side, but I deploy the flow to lengthen and shape the wave so its nice and clean.

I have to weight classic on Goofy otherwise my riders tell me there is no Push.

I have seen your posts on flow. While I agree that there are some basic similarities between the two boats in weighting, I really don't consider any info on the mojo to be relevant to my setup/ hull. Your boat can hold much more weight and has a different hull shape. I expect that the lsv will respond quite differently to employing the flow system and different ballast weighting.

mmandley
09-05-2014, 08:48 PM
I have seen your posts on flow. While I agree that there are some basic similarities between the two boats in weighting, I really don't consider any info on the mojo to be relevant to my setup/ hull. Your boat can hold much more weight and has a different hull shape. I expect that the lsv will respond quite differently to employing the flow system and different ballast weighting.

yes absolutely but i think the difference you see in regular weighting and goofy will be the same

moombahighrider
09-05-2014, 08:49 PM
I agree there, for sure.

MLA
09-05-2014, 10:18 PM
I hear what you're saying but all they need is a reason to not cover it, I would think.

I'm just wondering if there is any point in paying the extra to the dealership to install the flow (also a 5+ hr trip- one way and they want it for 3 or 4 days) to keep my hull warranty intact. If I had drilled extra thru-hull fittings for pumps, is my hull warranty gone anyway?



A franchise Dealer can void a warranty just a quick as an owner can. Warranty is backed by manufacturer, not dealer. Dealer just agrees to do work at a set price and get reimbursed. Manufacturer is no more obligated to cover a problem caused by dealer, than problem caused by owner.

moombahighrider
09-06-2014, 01:45 AM
A franchise Dealer can void a warranty just a quick as an owner can. Warranty is backed by manufacturer, not dealer. Dealer just agrees to do work at a set price and get reimbursed. Manufacturer is no more obligated to cover a problem caused by dealer, than problem caused by owner.

How can this be correct if sc are requiring
us to have a dealer do the install? Why would I pay a dealership to do work that I am perfectly capable of doing, if sc are no more likely to cover a potential hull issue that is theoretically under warranty? What recourse would I have if a 'dealer installed flow' caused a problem on my hull and sc decided not to cover it because their dealer did a poor job? I believe in sc a bit more than that...

MLA
09-06-2014, 09:18 AM
How can this be correct if sc are requiring
us to have a dealer do the install? Why would I pay a dealership to do work that I am perfectly capable of doing, if sc are no more likely to cover a potential hull issue that is theoretically under warranty? What recourse would I have if a 'dealer installed flow' caused a problem on my hull and sc decided not to cover it because their dealer did a poor job? I believe in sc a bit more than that...

Without reading the documentation from SC specifically regarding the Flow, I cant say specifically. My comments are general about owners doing work. In most states, there are statutes that prevent a manufacture from forcing service work to be done by a dealer (this is aimed at the auto industry) in order to keep a warranty intact. One way around this for the SC and the Flow, would be to designate the Flow a factory retrofit and component not for retail sale. This means its shipped to the dealer and the dealer installs it per the manufacturer.

A couple of examples regarding my general statements: You order your boat without a tower, then decide you want one installed. Dealer installs an OEM tower. 6 months later, you see stress cracks. These would not be covered. Dealer winterizes your boat, but misses some water. It freezes and cracks the block. Normally, and engine failure would be covered, but not this simply because the dealer did the work.