Guts to do Invert

[boarder3304]

I'm pretty comfortable wake to wake heel side and toe side. I can do some grabs and a Stiffy. I really want to have an invert or two in my bag of tricks, but just can't get the guts to throw one. A few years ago I started working on a back roll, but never landed it. I crashed pretty hard multiple times though. Does anyone have suggestions on how to get the guts up to just try and throw it?

From what I remember, gentle cut in, then go up the wake with legs straight, then look over my leading shoulder.

[kaneboats]

Easy. Put 4-5 hot chicks in the boat and have about 4 beers.

[cornrickey]

I stopped trying after a week of dehydration (with continuous attempts of rehydration with tasty beverages) and landing on my head (CNS trauma) causing me to develop shingles. Good luck!

[sandm]

couple guys I know that can throw them started on trampolines in the yard to get the motion down first..

I don't know this from experience as I can't clear the wake so try at your own risk :)

[rdlangston13]

I'm pretty comfortable wake to wake heel side and toe side. I can do some grabs and a Stiffy. I really want to have an invert or two in my bag of tricks, but just can't get the guts to throw one. A few years ago I started working on a back roll, but never landed it. I crashed pretty hard multiple times though. Does anyone have suggestions on how to get the guts up to just try and throw it?

From what I remember, gentle cut in, then go up the wake with legs straight, then look over my leading shoulder.

Pretty sure you need put you head toward your trailing shoulder otherwise you be rotating the complete wrong directing but I am sure Todd Brooks can chime in with some good advice


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[mcdye]

Sounds like you are getting older, wiser, and realizing you have got to go to work the next day. :)

Learning tricks, we slow down the boat and load up the side for the approach. Bring the rope in to about 50’ and go about 17 mph. Then start speeding up and going back out on the rope, once the dynamics are down.

Here is what Dave’s got to say about a HS backroll…

http://www.thewakeboardcoach.com/tips/tantrum-and-backroll

[New Guy]

It is completely a commit thing trust me. If you don't commit it is going to hurt way worse than going for it. I broke my ankle several years ago when one foot came out doing a tantrum and I am finally landing them fairly consistently this year.

Do you feel more comfortable doing a flip into a pool or a cartwheel. Cartwheel = Roll Flip = Tantrum.

[wolff supra21v]

the saying on my boat is
"hesitation leads to pain"
And it seem to happen to me more than anyone else on the boat.

[trayson]

I'm pretty comfortable wake to wake heel side and toe side. I can do some grabs and a Stiffy. I really want to have an invert or two in my bag of tricks, but just can't get the guts to throw one. A few years ago I started working on a back roll, but never landed it. I crashed pretty hard multiple times though. Does anyone have suggestions on how to get the guts up to just try and throw it?

From what I remember, gentle cut in, then go up the wake with legs straight, then look over my leading shoulder.

This is exactly where I was in my 20's. I quit trying after too many face slaps. I'm now in my early 40's and remember how hard it was in my 20's! I probably won't get to inverts.... Oh well.

[cornrickey]

In my house the saying is "pain is fear leaving the body"

[WFO]

I hate getting older!! My skin must be getting thicker or something like that because it takes longer for the fear to leave my body. :)


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[yz 2smoke]

I found it easier to do a tantrum than any other invert. I learned how to do it from some youtube videos. I did fracture my knee, tore my lcl, and my meniscus 2 weekends ago doing a tantrum. I'm not sure what I did wrong, as soon as I landed my knee felt like it exploded.

[loudsubz]

I'm sort of in the same boat, but 31 here.

I landed one when I was about 26 on my old Ski Ray inboard boat with a much smaller wake than the Moomba. You definitely have to commit. I remember sore knees and a chipped tooth from trying. I finally got it down so I was pretty consistent that same year, but the years after I didn't try it as much so now when I go to try it, its hit or miss as I haven't "hard coded" it into my brain yet.

I also can't do a proper back flip to save my life, as my brain shuts down and my eyes close as soon as I go backwards so I can't prepare for the landing. No matter what I do I can't change this...weird.

A couple videos I was watching...some say you don't need to know how to do a backflip, while others say its a good idea to try on a trampoline first or land to make sure your comfortable doing it and are "air aware". I'm going to go with the second as its always a good idea to be comfortable doing flips.

Good luck with whatever you try. Im going to give it a try by loading down the side and slowing to 17, see if I can't stick them again.

[Birdman]

head over to you tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgNhCwKLf48

[tnbrooks01]

As said earlier in the thread I teach a very low impact method to most all tricks. Learnwake.com is a very good resource. I do slow boat boat down 17-18 or so and only weight the takeoff side. This give a real washy landing area that is softer for the falls that you will take. ;-)
Start out with a long line maybe 75ft and start with 1 wake then after you land a few of those go to about 55ft and take it w2w.

For hs backroll I like legs to be straight while learning. this keep rope tension even based on how much edge you approach with. Even weight on both feet. Don't wheelie out of it on back foot trying to throw it the backroll. You will crash and that hurts! I think the most important part is to keep elbows pinned to your hips. Tilt head to put ear to back shoulder while slightly looking over lead shoulder. If your head is turned too much to lead shoulder you will go to revert.

Give it a shot, shoot some video and we can go from there. Get the hs backroll then I would move to toeside backroll and follow that up with tantrum.


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[ninedriver]

Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation causes your worse fears to come true...

[trayson]

Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation causes your worse fears to come true...

From the best movie of all time:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ct1-sHsO8OM/UL_ER3QwYCI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/0qfLWPhhi2M/s1600/point+break.jpg

[boarder3304]

Thanks for all of the replies. The getting older thing is part of it. I turned 31 in April. I just wish I had some people to go ride with around here so I could get more practice. My wife won't drive the boat.


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[ninedriver]

From the best movie of all time:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ct1-sHsO8OM/UL_ER3QwYCI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/0qfLWPhhi2M/s1600/point+break.jpg

RIP...Crazy Swazy..

[loudsubz]

Thanks for all of the replies. The getting older thing is part of it. I turned 31 in April. I just wish I had some people to go ride with around here so I could get more practice. My wife won't drive the boat.


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I hear ya...I keep telling her she needs to learn so she can take me.

[trayson]

My wife actually enjoys driving the boat. in fact, when it comes to pulling a surfer, she's easily as good of a driver as I am.

Those of you with a wife that won't drive, do you have perfect pass? I do and it makes ALL the difference. When you take the whole maintaining the perfect speed out of the equation, it's pretty damn easy for her to drive. She's literally never been behind the wheel of a boat EVER and was able to get up to speed driving quite quickly.

[cornrickey]

My wife drove our SN just a handful of times for the 13 years we owned it. She has tripled that with the Supra in the three years we have had it. My son drives mostly (supervised) when I'm being pulled. He started when he was ten. All due to PP.

[mikenehrkorn]

Those of you with a wife that won't drive, do you have perfect pass? I do and it makes ALL the difference.

^^^ completely agree........I have my 16 yr old daughter drive all the time (though she isn't really in love with the idea) and as long as you have someone who can operate a steering wheel then there's really nothing else to it.

[boarder3304]

Yes, we have PP. For her it isn't matter of keeping speed, but being afraid of being the one responsible for where the boat is going and the people in it. She's afraid she'll hit something submerged, turn the boat wrong and someone will fly off the seat, etc...she's a worrier.


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[cornrickey]

^^That's a good thing

[rdlangston13]

My wife drives for me all time. We started going out with just the two of us during the week and there was no dock where we launch at so you can not just tie the boat to a dock while you park the truck so she had to learn quick how to load and unload from the trailer. Now she does it so often she is probably more proficient at it than I am. She was also forced to learn to pull me since when we go out with just us two I still want to ride. Now she will even pull doubles although she doesn't like too.

[trayson]

My wife drives for me all time. We started going out with just the two of us during the week and there was no dock where we launch at so you can not just tie the boat to a dock while you park the truck so she had to learn quick how to load and unload from the trailer. Now she does it so often she is probably more proficient at it than I am. She was also forced to learn to pull me since when we go out with just us two I still want to ride. Now she will even pull doubles although she doesn't like too.

You and your LAX Texas rules!!!! We HAVE to have a spotter by law in both WA and OR. :-/

[Woody929]

My wife drives for me all time. We started going out with just the two of us during the week and there was no dock where we launch at so you can not just tie the boat to a dock while you park the truck so she had to learn quick how to load and unload from the trailer. Now she does it so often she is probably more proficient at it than I am. She was also forced to learn to pull me since when we go out with just us two I still want to ride. Now she will even pull doubles although she doesn't like too.

You know I'm there with you. I don't think I've ever trailered this boat. Jill always makes fun of the helpless people that can't get the boat off of the trailer (or on). We saw a lady this weekend whose job was to sit there holding the boat on a leash until her husband got back to it.

She does get mad when she realizes she has driven more than I have on any given day (which are most days).

[jikemones]

Not sure if your still interested in throwing a backroll. (pretty old post) However, if you are I have a few things to share that helped me out. First and foremost you will have to commit! Always use the same length rope, boat speed, and weight. Make as many things consistent as you can, this will speed up the learning curve. Make sure your getting a nice straight pull and that your wake is not washed out. (weight the boat evenly) I ride full ballast, 22mph, 70ft line. However using a shorter line like a 65ft may make it more forgiving.

Practice making a progressive cut at the wake, again being consistent is key. So cut in progressively loading the line the entire cut to the wake, as you ride through the bottom of the wake start transferring more weight to your back foot. As you come off the top of the wake the combination of line load and the weight transfer should start your rotation. At that point pull the handle in, drop your outside shoulder, look over the opposite shoulder, keeping your eyes open continue looking and rotating your shoulder to spot your landing. It's easier than it sounds! Once you make one and feel the rotation they are incredibly easy. Progressively loading the line through to the top of the wake will usually make or break the trick. And remember once you have started your cut into the wake commit 110%. If you look at it as if when you try the trick you are going to fall anyway you may as well go big!

Good Luck

[Ironcross25]

Thanks for all of the replies. The getting older thing is part of it. I turned 31 in April. I just wish I had some people to go ride with around here so I could get more practice. My wife won't drive the boat.


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My wife was the same way. We would go out and i would have her drive at whatever speed she wanted, then we would set the pp and pretend there was a rider and I would talk her through the scenarios. When she first started to pull I told her if she ever felt uncomfortable to just stop the boat.

Now she pulls me with our 8 month old in the tula strapped to her chest.:D