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Boonejeepin
08-15-2014, 06:13 PM
Will test tomorrow.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/ytasa4uj.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/sa9y4a6e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/4a9ypu6e.jpg

saskyrider
08-15-2014, 06:15 PM
Looms awesome!!! Love to see pics of the wave with that thing!

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jmvotto
08-15-2014, 11:08 PM
Looms awesome!!! Love to see pics of the wave with that thing!

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What platform do you have ?

That looks tiny

Boonejeepin
08-16-2014, 12:01 AM
What platform do you have ?

That looks tiny

I made it. 48" wide. Wood covered by fiberglass cloth.

zabooda
08-16-2014, 01:14 AM
Looks good and it should work. Kudos for doing that.

86century
08-16-2014, 09:31 AM
Would not call that a geto gate.

I think you will find all the depth is not necessary unless you have the boat listing heavily.

We have found that height out of the water is critical if you want to really slam the the thing in the water you will submerge the gate greatly diminishing its effectiveness.

bsharer
08-16-2014, 02:42 PM
What angle is it at?

Boonejeepin
08-16-2014, 04:56 PM
There is almost no angle for the blade, it is in line with the hull. I'll post pics later but the gate worked very well. We were running about 5k in ballast with about a 500lb bias to the surf side. The wave was strong, clean, and noticeably longer.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/2eme5asa.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/jeja2aby.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/pu8e6uzu.jpg

Boonejeepin
08-16-2014, 05:25 PM
Just realized that my wife didn't get any pics with me and I didn't get a pic of just the wave. I'll get more photos next time out.

Surfed well with 900s in both rear lockers, 1180 in the playpen locker, partially filled 540 on top of the 1180 in the playpen. 400 in the bow, 400 in solid ballast on surf side under ballast boy seat. I really enjoyed the slight list and no bags on the seats in the lounge area.

The wave was even better when I added the 900 to the lounge area floor. This wasn't needed but why not....

There is some reduction in steering control with the gate but not anything unmanageable.


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/mu5yhyba.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/17/beha8enu.jpg

ninedriver
08-16-2014, 09:31 PM
Are the gates fixed or do they deploy / swing out?

moombadaze
08-16-2014, 09:54 PM
looks like the sides of the boat got lengthened about 2 feet. some of you guys are doing some very creative wave mods, wish I had the ability

Boonejeepin
08-16-2014, 10:22 PM
The gate is fixed. The blade started as a 12" x 24" piece of HDPE. I then trimmed to match the contours of the hull.

Pretty easy to piece together with a jig saw and some screws.

zabooda
08-16-2014, 10:34 PM
Did you deploy at a full 90 degrees or something less? I would think the longer wings would allow less angle to do the same as the Flow which would have less stress on the mounts.

Boonejeepin
08-16-2014, 10:49 PM
Sorry about the b-ball game in the background and try not to notice the zig zag screw pattern.

The blade is set a to be in a straight line with the hull.

http://youtu.be/BvWNalvsY8A

86century
08-17-2014, 08:53 PM
Impressive, with all that ballast I would have guessed the thing would have been completely submerged.

I like the fact that you can surf with just whatever ballast you have and the wake just gets longer and taller as you pile on the weight.

Boonejeepin
08-17-2014, 09:17 PM
The ballast was close to an even split front to rear. When I added the 900 to the lounge area floor it did not really change the pitch of the boat too much. I assume that weight biased toward the rear may have put out the blade underwater. It also helped that I ran 400lbs more on the surf side raising the gate side up a bit.

The top of the gate stayed out of the water, both at speed and resting with the weight distribution that I used.

trayson
08-18-2014, 02:01 AM
So why did you choose to have the gate come straight out as an extension of your hull? I mean, I guess I can see how it might be a bit easier to do it that way and all, but why wouldn't you put it out at about the 15 or 20 degree angle like Malibu and Axis do? Yours is the 2nd that I've seen where it's done as basically just a hull extension and not angled like Malibu does.

Honestly about anything will function as a means of delaying convergence of the wakes. I went with a system that was similar to the NSS blades because it's stealth when not in use and I can change from regular to goofy in under 10 seconds with nothing extra to carry on the boat. And when I'm done it's stowed away and not even a thought.

I SERIOUSLY considered doing a Malibu like design, and even had an exact template of the size/shape of a 2014 Axis surf gate. That and a pair of stainless steel hinges and some bimini parts to prop it out and I would have had a gate that deployed and retracted that had the same dimensions. (I figure why go off and design your own angles, size, shape when boat engineers have already done it for you. That's why I have my NSS style blades deploy 3" outward and about 1" downward. Because someone else did the engineering on it before me...)

Well done for whipping something up. You're sure into it a LOT fewer hours than I am on mine.

trayson
08-18-2014, 02:04 AM
I made it. 48" wide. Wood covered by fiberglass cloth.

Looks just like what I did...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lx6MWKplpmQ/UkSBHJN-ThI/AAAAAAAAPDI/TyhK_7FWf3c/s800/Platform%2520Dimensions.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SsOk8gW93mY/U4ZrfrlK4vI/AAAAAAAAQYQ/_dS7W21I3y8/s800/IMG_20130925_205817_386_zps7f7e41dc.jpg

parrothd
08-18-2014, 08:46 AM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/18/fcfdf02f32224e8e121a302b420703c8.jpg

:)

Boonejeepin
08-18-2014, 09:41 AM
Trayson- I went with the hull extension (blade with no angle) as an experiment to see if there would be less steering drag when compared with a blade that extends past the side of the hull. In all honesty, I don't know if there is an difference in steering or wave between the designs as this is the only method that I have tested. I am happy with the result so I don't plan to try the angled blade version. I have about $125 into material and hardware and maybe 2-2.5 hrs including finding all the right tools in the garage and cleanup.

My platform is very narrow at 48" but is almost completely out of the wave when listed or using the gate. The shape is virtually identical to yours. No coincidence as I looked at your platform before making mine.

Parrothd - If I knew that hydroturf would stick to HDPE I would have gone that route vs wood covered in fiberglass. If I ever need to redo the platform I will likely use HDPE. So easy to work with and no chance of rot.

trayson
08-18-2014, 11:17 AM
Trayson- I went with the hull extension (blade with no angle) as an experiment to see if there would be less steering drag when compared with a blade that extends past the side of the hull. In all honesty, I don't know if there is an difference in steering or wave between the designs as this is the only method that I have tested. I am happy with the result so I don't plan to try the angled blade version. I have about $125 into material and hardware and maybe 2-2.5 hrs including finding all the right tools in the garage and cleanup.

My platform is very narrow at 48" but is almost completely out of the wave when listed or using the gate. The shape is virtually identical to yours. No coincidence as I looked at your platform before making mine.
Makes sense. I have to imagine that there are a lot of ways to delay the convergence. Sounds like yours is working great and it is by far the BEST looking gate I've seen that's not hard attached to the boat. And you've certainly got less time invested, no question there.



Parrothd - If I knew that hydroturf would stick to HDPE I would have gone that route vs wood covered in fiberglass. If I ever need to redo the platform I will likely use HDPE. So easy to work with and no chance of rot.

^^^^^^^^^ THIS. Although all the plastic dealers say that stuff won't stick to HDPE, so I'm hopeful with how his has been good so far but I've still got a tinge of doubt that it'll stick for the long haul. I REALLY hope he proves me wrong...

It's funny, mine was supposed to be a "prototype" and I've been rocking it for a year. I got some $15 closed cell foam off ebay and threw that on top of mine and figure I'll use it until it starts to fall apart, LOL.

Boonejeepin
08-18-2014, 11:29 AM
I put some left over matching Hydroturf on my HDPE gate. sticking so far with no issue but only a short time has passed. The top section is good sized and would be super slippery when wet.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/18/dce5e554515b8bac4d4d264e097b2be4.jpg

cornrickey
08-18-2014, 03:04 PM
You'll find the longer the gate the less angle is needed and also you probably do not need half the hardware you have on it to keep it together for the speeds you doing. Looks good!

Boonejeepin
08-18-2014, 03:20 PM
You'll find the longer the gate the less angle is needed and also you probably do not need half the hardware you have on it to keep it together for the speeds you doing. Looks good!

Thanks.

The large # of screws are certainly excessive after watching it while in use. I kept adding screws until I ran out. A little overkill.....

I can agree with the theory that the longer the gate the less angle needed. Makes sense to me. My gate is 24" at the longest point.

I wish I had lined up the screws better. That is all I see when I look at it. I should not worry about it as there is no wave improvement due to straight/pretty hardware placement.

trayson
08-18-2014, 03:40 PM
Thanks.

The large # of screws are certainly excessive after watching it while in use. I kept adding screws until I ran out. A little overkill.....

I can agree with the theory that the longer the gate the less angle needed. Makes sense to me. My gate is 24" at the longest point.

I wish I had lined up the screws better. That is all I see when I look at it. I should not worry about it as there is no wave improvement due to straight/pretty hardware placement.

I can agree with you on aesthetics. I WISH I would have bought the black HDPE for my surf system instead of the white.

And I guess I also prove the fact that length is inversely related to angle. My angle is 90 degrees and my surf blade protrudes a whopping 3".

cornrickey
08-19-2014, 12:57 AM
You can fill the holes. It won't be perfect but not a hole anymore. Heat up a piece of scrap and drip if into the drilled out holes. Don't let it get too hot that it gets soot in it. If you think about it (and after you watch out work in real life, not on your head) the water pressure (which is a lot less than you would think) is pushing in on your system. You only really need the hardware you seeking to keep it together until you build the pressure and for all the times your not going straight ahead. The bracket I use on mine to keep the gate deployed uses a thin rivet on its hinges. I was going to replace them with stainless bolts but decided against it because 1- they have held up through all my r&d and 2 (the biggest reason) they are a fail safe. If for some reason I hit something , forget there deployed and take off our go took fast in reverse I believe they will fail, alleviating the pressure before other things do.

Boonejeepin
08-22-2014, 02:55 PM
Got a few pics. Pretty windy so I didn't get too many. I'll get more this weekend.

Even weight w no ghetto gate. No bags on floor or seats.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/22/08a22e45f018455fdadc83f036c2967f.jpg

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bergermaister
08-22-2014, 03:01 PM
Time to ride the tube! Awesome Russ!

(by "TUBE" I MEAN CURL! Put the airpump down and back away slowly...)

saskyrider
08-22-2014, 03:10 PM
That is awesome Russ.... kinda weird but I almost wish i didn't have the flow so i could play around with stuff like this! haha.... I have a buddy at the lake that has an 08 SAN and his kid was our riding behind the Mondo a couple weeks ago and couldn't believe the surf wave while keeping the boat level... i showed him this thread and some of the others on "ghetto gates" and he is going to do some prefab to play around on is own now.

csm
08-22-2014, 04:27 PM
Wow, great wave. How are you keeping your transom from getting scratched?

Boonejeepin
08-22-2014, 05:05 PM
Wow, great wave. How are you keeping your transom from getting scratched?

I used some adhesive weatherstripping from Lowes on the blade edge. I have to find something more permanent but working fine so far.

jmvotto
08-22-2014, 09:22 PM
That looks sick.



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Boonejeepin
08-26-2014, 06:55 PM
Just a short video of me failing at another 360 attempt w Ghetto Gate installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHVqboB3YA

cornrickey
08-27-2014, 12:15 AM
Nice looking wave. If you find you want a little steeper wave you can decrease the angle a bit and it will stand up your lip.

jmvotto
08-27-2014, 08:30 AM
Nice looking wave. If you find you want a little steeper wave you can decrease the angle a bit and it will stand up your lip.


I am lost what angle? the ghetto gate or the wake plate?

trayson
08-27-2014, 12:04 PM
Nice looking wave. If you find you want a little steeper wave you can decrease the angle a bit and it will stand up your lip.

His "gate" comes out directly from the hull. he is running ZERO degrees angle... it's really just a hull extension.


I am lost what angle? the ghetto gate or the wake plate?

I think he's talking about the angle of the gate. His system is adjustable.

bergermaister
08-27-2014, 12:11 PM
So I'm curious - now that you have some run time and success with the ghetto gate, any thoughts if you'll do this all the time moving fwd vs loaded and listing? 50/50 of the time? 80/20 of the time, etc. ?

Boonejeepin
08-27-2014, 12:22 PM
So I'm curious - now that you have some run time and success with the ghetto gate, any thoughts if you'll do this all the time moving fwd vs loaded and listing? 50/50 of the time? 80/20 of the time, etc. ?

I see myself using the gate the majority of the time. It creates a clean face without explaining to everyone why they need to be on one side of the boat. Using the gate frees my seat from bags and I like that as well.

I am sure I will load up with a list from time to time just for fun.

trayson
08-27-2014, 12:33 PM
I see myself using the gate the majority of the time. It creates a clean face without explaining to everyone why they need to be on one side of the boat. Using the gate frees my seat from bags and I like that as well.

I am sure I will load up with a list from time to time just for fun.

I tend to agree. the convenience factor is awesome. and the increased convenience in the boat and driving the boat is wonderful. And the ability to switch from side to side quickly (well, with my system anyway = under 10 seconds) is great.

It gets to the point where if you can get a "good enough" wave with all the benefits above, that it makes the overall boating experience better.

cornrickey
08-27-2014, 12:53 PM
I am lost what angle? the ghetto I'm gate or the wake plate?

Increase the angle of the gate away from the platform. I'm sure there is a way to shim it out of needed.

86century
08-27-2014, 06:48 PM
As you increase the angle of the gate in relationship to the side of the boat it will tend to lift the non surf side of the boat making it list.
A nice side effect .

jmvotto
08-27-2014, 09:43 PM
So ineffect the flow should list the boat without any weight, just the flow deployed

cornrickey
08-27-2014, 10:25 PM
Not in my experience with gates which would have more potential of increasing the angle of attach to the water (like a foil) compared to a flow system. I have a couple degrees on mine to keep from water being scooped up. I can't tell. I've ran my gates without weight and there was no noted list.

jmvotto
09-01-2014, 08:24 AM
Russ, two more ghetto gate questions.

What's the best way to measure the curve of the transom and do you think the pressure from the gate will crush the normal platform, non surf, with the gate?

Boonejeepin
09-01-2014, 08:52 AM
Russ, two more ghetto gate questions.

What's the best way to measure the curve of the transom and do you think the pressure from the gate will crush the normal platform, non surf, with the gate?

I used trial and error with a piece of cardboard to match the shape of the transom.

I do not think the gate will crush the factory platform. Which part are you most concerned about, fiberglass, mounts, etc?

jmvotto
09-01-2014, 09:25 AM
I used trial and error with a piece of cardboard to match the shape of the transom.

I do not think the gate will crush the factory platform. Which part are you most concerned about, fiberglass, mounts, etc?


The fiberglass...

Boonejeepin
09-01-2014, 09:48 AM
The fiberglass...

I would pad the mount surface and make sure the gate is tightly secured. I really don't think it will damage the fiberglass.

Disclaimer- I have not tried with the factory platform.

papou
09-01-2014, 04:13 PM
This post Kept my busy all weekend , did a little experimenting as swell. The wake was the best I have ever got out of the LSV . http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/02/uqy3u6ag.jpg

jmvotto
09-01-2014, 04:30 PM
Papou

Nice work. Now that's a ghetto gate....

Boonejeepin
09-01-2014, 05:50 PM
This post Kept my busy all weekend , did a little experimenting as swell. The wake was the best I have ever got out of the LSV . http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/02/uqy3u6ag.jpg

What weighting were you using?

papou
09-01-2014, 07:03 PM
In this pick 750 right 3/4 full 400 right 400 centre two adults .


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/09/02/uzuhe9eh.jpg

jmvotto
09-01-2014, 08:24 PM
Great looking wave

How did you attach it? I don't see any eye hooks?

spyder
09-01-2014, 08:30 PM
Just a short video of me failing at another 360 attempt w Ghetto Gate installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHVqboB3YA

that pocket is long, i've never had mine anything like that.

papou
09-01-2014, 09:23 PM
Great looking wave

How did you attach it? I don't see any eye hooks?

I used tie straps and drilled holes in the wood to pit the hooks in .

Packman
09-01-2014, 10:14 PM
More pictures of the gate would be nice...

jmvotto
09-02-2014, 03:54 PM
ok Russ, maybe last question. how this is the gate 1/2 3/4 1" ?

Boonejeepin
09-02-2014, 04:01 PM
ok Russ, maybe last question. how this is the gate 1/2 3/4 1" ?

I used 3/4 HDPE.

jmvotto
09-04-2014, 09:23 AM
would half in work you think or go to one inch.

csm
09-04-2014, 09:35 AM
would half in work you think or go to one inch.

I just finished mine up with 1/2" hdpe... Haven't tested it yet, but it seems plenty sturdy. I'll post pics of my testing.

jmvotto
09-04-2014, 09:41 AM
thanks......

Boonejeepin
09-04-2014, 09:53 AM
My guess is 1/2 will work just fine, but just a guess for me.

trayson
09-04-2014, 01:31 PM
I have my NSS style surf blades made from 1/2". I think it'd be fine for a ghetto gate too.

cornrickey
09-04-2014, 02:19 PM
1/2 is fine for strength. I like 3/4 for the ability to counter sink the screws and still gave some depth for the threads.

Boonejeepin
09-04-2014, 02:32 PM
1/2 is fine for strength. I like 3/4 for the ability to counter sink the screws and still gave some depth for the threads.

Very true. Just more material thickness to work with.

Boonejeepin
09-09-2014, 06:45 PM
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bergermaister
09-09-2014, 06:50 PM
Fly little birdy!



Clearly that was a screen scrape from GoPro footage... Where's dat?!

Boonejeepin
09-09-2014, 06:56 PM
On the laptop. I pull a screen shot via the app on my phone.

I'll get to work....

bergermaister
09-09-2014, 06:59 PM
I'll get to work....

A phrase rarely heard from you! LOL

Boonejeepin
09-09-2014, 07:05 PM
I wasn't referring to actual
work....

jmvotto
09-28-2014, 09:23 AM
Pics of it together, hoping to try it next weekend. Russ, thanks for the idea!

Sanded the edges and glued down rubber weather stripping to protect boat.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg.html)
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg.html)

bsharer
09-28-2014, 09:34 AM
Built a quick one last night. Heading to the lake to test it out.

Boonejeepin
09-28-2014, 09:48 AM
Pics of it together, hoping to try it next weekend. Russ, thanks for the idea!

Sanded the edges and glued down rubber weather stripping to protect boat.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg.html)
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg.html)

Looking good!! I hope you have fun testing it out. Can't wait to hear your opinion of the results.

mikenehrkorn
09-29-2014, 09:30 AM
How long are you making those? And does adding more length make the pocket even longer?

Boonejeepin
09-29-2014, 10:18 AM
How long are you making those? And does adding more length make the pocket even longer?

Mine is 24 inches. Simply because the HDPE sheet was 24 inches.

I have not experimented with differing lengths so I can't say for sure. I can tell you that The pocket is plenty long with my setup. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/29/5ba96e410bbf1458e574cff5f64068a9.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/29/c9f83b6a68afd906c27002969274b2ac.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/29/891512f88fa37dd3d2500411021f4beb.jpg

smorris7
09-29-2014, 10:58 AM
Looking good!! I hope you have fun testing it out. Can't wait to hear your opinion of the results.

It doesn't look like you used an angle. I assume the gate just goes straight back?

bsharer
09-29-2014, 10:59 AM
Mine is 24" long also because the board I had was 24".

I have very little time to experiment when at the lake. I left my ballast the same as before with the boat listing, and added the gate. I did have 3 kids sit on the side w the gate.

Pocket was much longer. There was a significant increase in push. I'm a beginner at wake surfing. The sweet spot was much more forgiving. Could go ropeless much quicker and there was way more area to work with.

jmvotto
09-29-2014, 11:34 AM
mine is 20" along the bottom edge

Boonejeepin
09-29-2014, 12:17 PM
It doesn't look like you used an angle. I assume the gate just goes straight back?
You are correct. No angle and straight back from hull.

bergermaister
09-29-2014, 12:17 PM
Any details how you guys are attaching to non-custom, non-surf platforms? Besides the tied down straps to the transom.

Boonejeepin
09-29-2014, 12:25 PM
Any details how you guys are attaching to non-custom, non-surf platforms? Besides the tied down straps to the transom.

Only difference would be that the horizontal material would be cut shorter to correctly fit from the edge of the platform to the corner of the hull.

Assuming the platform is slightly narrower than the transom.

jmvotto
09-29-2014, 01:33 PM
Any details how you guys are attaching to non-custom, non-surf platforms? Besides the tied down straps to the transom.

mine is only 3 inches from the edge as the platform covers most of the transom, look at the pics with mine vs Russ's

also I will paint mine black if it works well and I measured correctly :o

trayson
09-29-2014, 06:32 PM
mine is 20" along the bottom edge

Have you had a chance to try yours out yet? Be sure to post up how you have your setup weighted.

trayson
09-29-2014, 06:34 PM
I see myself using the gate the majority of the time. It creates a clean face without explaining to everyone why they need to be on one side of the boat. Using the gate frees my seat from bags and I like that as well.

I am sure I will load up with a list from time to time just for fun.

Okay, Russ. What's your "normal" ballast setup now going to be with the gate an even weighting? Do you see yourself making another one for goofy?

jmvotto
09-29-2014, 06:56 PM
If mine works, for twenty bucks I make one for the other side
30 second change over
Only have one goofy rider

jmvotto
09-29-2014, 06:57 PM
Have you had a chance to try yours out yet? Be sure to post up how you have your setup weighted.

I will hopefully this weekend

Boonejeepin
09-29-2014, 07:03 PM
Okay, Russ. What's your "normal" ballast setup now going to be with the gate an even weighting? Do you see yourself making another one for goofy?

With ghetto gate - 1180 playpen bag full, both vdrive 900s full, 400lbs of lead in surf corner, 900 on floor when I am light on crew. Sometimes a 540 partially filled (maybe 200 lbs) on top of the 1180.

I definitely see myself making a goofy side gate. I enjoy trying to surf backside on the goofy wave.

Without ghetto gate - 1180 playpen bag full, surf side vdrive 900full, offside vdrive bag about 150 lbs, 400lbs of lead in surf corner, 900 on floor when I am light on crew. 540 on surf side seats.

I run an Acme 2079 14.5 - 12 pitch prop.

trayson
09-29-2014, 07:09 PM
With ghetto gate - 1180 playpen bag full, both vdrive 900s full, 400lbs of lead in surf corner, 900 on floor when I am light on crew. Sometimes a 540 partially filled (maybe 200 lbs) on top of the 1180.

I definitely see myself making a goofy side gate. I enjoy trying to surf backside on the goofy wave.

Without ghetto gate - 1180 playpen bag full, surf side vdrive 900full, offside vdrive bag about 150 lbs, 400lbs of lead in surf corner, 900 on floor when I am light on crew. 540 on surf side seats.

I run an Acme 2079 14.5 - 12 pitch prop.

I tried that a week ago. It's NOT easy! I felt like I was riding on a teeter-totter. In fact, I think I was better at riding goofy than I was at riding heelside. Riding goofy though I have to think a lot more getting up. Riding heelside, I didn't get up the first try. Talk about humbling and feeling like a newb again!

Boonejeepin
09-29-2014, 07:24 PM
I tried that a week ago. It's NOT easy! I felt like I was riding on a teeter-totter. In fact, I think I was better at riding goofy than I was at riding heelside. Riding goofy though I have to think a lot more getting up. Riding heelside, I didn't get up the first try. Talk about humbling and feeling like a newb again!

I am not good at it, but it is a challenge and I enjoy that

mnpracing
09-29-2014, 09:26 PM
How are you guys getting comfortable that the side pressure on your platforms isn't too much for the platform and mounts? Anything scientific or just visually checking for stress?

Boonejeepin
09-30-2014, 01:54 AM
How are you guys getting comfortable that the side pressure on your platforms isn't too much for the platform and mounts? Anything scientific or just visually checking for stress?

Just visit and checking for signs of stress. No concerns so far but I guess it is some degree of risk.

slipperyrockTKE300
09-30-2014, 05:31 AM
Joe - you may want to try painting a scrap piece of hdpe before the actual gate - be real interesting to see how paint sticks to that stuff.

I'm looking forward to seeing yours installed. Since I have the stock platform, think I'm gonna be copying your design.

jmvotto
09-30-2014, 06:35 AM
I did just that and sprayed it with a hose, so far so good on the paint. Rust oleum universal any surface gloss black.

http://www.rustoleum.com/en/product-catalog/consumer-brands/universal/universal-flat-spray-paint

jmvotto
09-30-2014, 11:41 AM
I did just that and sprayed it with a hose, so far so good on the paint. Rust oleum universal any surface gloss black.

http://www.rustoleum.com/en/product-catalog/consumer-brands/universal/universal-flat-spray-paint

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/FA352C10-8EA6-490D-8A22-09383EB1139E_zpsicagtnz5.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/FA352C10-8EA6-490D-8A22-09383EB1139E_zpsicagtnz5.jpg.html)

trayson
09-30-2014, 11:53 AM
hopefully it doesn't end up looking like my buddy's girlfriend's mascara when we were teaching her how to surf!

jmvotto
09-30-2014, 05:53 PM
It did not run under the hose,

Maybe I will test it put in the dishwasher... Lol

jmvotto
10-04-2014, 02:02 PM
Ran the scrap piece painted through the dish washer and it held up fine

:cool:

mnpracing
10-07-2014, 06:14 PM
Pics of it together, hoping to try it next weekend. Russ, thanks for the idea!

Sanded the edges and glued down rubber weather stripping to protect boat.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/DCEA43A6-2FEE-40DD-98A1-62C8B875F746_zpstgyf54ak.jpg.html)
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/E7CB20F6-5E0E-4E61-A5E7-68EAA2C79437_zpsebjtrsr2.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/8057980D-8EE2-4E80-B07C-822FA07F6AF5_zpsggpys9zn.jpg.html)


http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/FA352C10-8EA6-490D-8A22-09383EB1139E_zpsicagtnz5.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-09/FA352C10-8EA6-490D-8A22-09383EB1139E_zpsicagtnz5.jpg.html)

Did you modify from your original version...these two sets of pics look really different?

trayson
10-07-2014, 06:56 PM
Ran the scrap piece painted through the dish washer and it held up fine

:cool:


Did you modify from your original version...these two sets of pics look really different?

I think the painted one is a scrap piece of HDPE that he did a paint test on.

jmvotto
10-07-2014, 08:44 PM
I think the painted one is a scrap piece of HDPE that he did a paint test on.

Trayson is correct, that was the cut off scrap painted for a test

csm
10-08-2014, 12:22 PM
Boonejeepin - What speed are you running, and is it faster than what you run listing? I haven't had much time to experiment on my '13 LSV, but so far, I haven't gotten a great wake with my gate. I'm running hard tank and IBS full, 1100 port full, and 650 starboard full... I have tried anywhere from 10mph to 10.7 mph, and it's just very washy.

Boonejeepin
10-08-2014, 02:44 PM
Boonejeepin - What speed are you running, and is it faster than what you run listing? I haven't had much time to experiment on my '13 LSV, but so far, I haven't gotten a great wake with my gate. I'm running hard tank and IBS full, 1100 port full, and 650 starboard full... I have tried anywhere from 10mph to 10.7 mph, and it's just very washy.

I do run faster with the gate. I like 11-11.5 w the gate. Try draining a little more from the opposite vdrive locker than surf side.

jmvotto
10-08-2014, 02:50 PM
I run 11.8 without the gate and 4k in ballast

Boonejeepin
12-06-2014, 10:32 AM
Throwing together a ghetto gate for the goofy side with some scrap material.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/06/3a3c6cd7625fc35c2af1f5c548474c09.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/06/774f8223a4a9433fee70b5f1003f8372.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/06/d35b42c4154dc70ee485d6ce1dfa0095.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/06/b6f52305e5cb48da94a0534d0c63a347.jpg

Boonejeepin
12-07-2014, 10:10 PM
Ghetto gate for goofy side was a success. I surfed backside on the goofy wave, changed gates and surfed regular. Not sure what the knee kneel thing is. I saw it online and thought I would try.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/07/3536269243f1a2df37d721980bd420d2.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/07/fba8c637a6a087e16a27bc91531bffb5.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/07/0ab8172e3fa4490318e47c44304424d8.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/07/081949b4160c514d4f265116f369514a.jpg

trayson
03-27-2015, 07:15 PM
I have been doing the knee kneel for a couple of seasons. the people in the boat love it when I go onto my knee then look at the peeps in the boat and give them the rocker horns...
http://cdn.instructables.com/FLJ/XQCZ/F11S8ULD/FLJXQCZF11S8ULD.MEDIUM.jpg

So, I've noticed that your gate is basically flush with the level of your swim platform. When I'm sacked out, my stern is easily 6" under water at rest and a little more underway. My gate went vertical well above my platform and I'd intended to chop off some from the top, but would I really want to do that and have a good 6" of water flowing over the top of my gate un-diverted?

Boonejeepin
03-27-2015, 07:49 PM
I think the best results happen when the gate is above the water line. I have to drain some off side locker weight to keep the gate from going under water.

trayson
03-27-2015, 09:36 PM
I think the best results happen when the gate is above the water line. I have to drain some off side locker weight to keep the gate from going under water.

Well the what about me where I just slammed both sides and had a tall gate???

trayson
03-30-2015, 12:26 PM
Russ, clear out your PM's...

Or just give me your email address...

wolfeman131
03-30-2015, 01:01 PM
Or just give me your email address...

Russ, you may be able to tag on to that restraining order that Newty has.

Boonejeepin
03-30-2015, 01:12 PM
I certainly don't mind helping if I can.

trayson
03-30-2015, 01:30 PM
russ, you may be able to tag on to that restraining order that newty has.

lololololol

trayson
04-09-2015, 01:21 PM
Russ, how is your low speed steering affected with your straight gate? My boat wouldn't turn against the gate in idle. not surprising as my gate is at 22.5 degrees and is over twice the size of the rudder...

Boonejeepin
04-10-2015, 12:37 AM
Russ, how is your low speed steering affected with your straight gate? My boat wouldn't turn against the gate in idle. not surprising as my gate is at 22.5 degrees and is over twice the size of the rudder...

There is certainly extra steering drag but not enough that it is a huge problem. Certainly still noticeable.

parrothd
05-08-2015, 06:10 PM
I made version 1.0.

I made it reverseable to work on both sides. May try it tomorrow.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/08/9e2dcf2543d84fe387a6469c3d8abc3b.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/08/e732b5fa5814e036a2929746d2067d15.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/08/761ba4a05b924a2cc92e47312ad7b984.jpg

kaneboats
05-08-2015, 10:45 PM
Leave it to you to make one that works on both sides. Nice friggin job! I am waiting for a template for one that works on the '06+ LSV's. After riding Russ's boat I am on board but there is no way I'm going to experiment around and try to figure it out. Nice job! Keep us posted.

parrothd
05-08-2015, 10:56 PM
I've been tempted to buy the manual flow but haven't heard anything good about it yet.

I don't wanna be the guinea pig... :p

This took an hour and used some leftover materials. I'm gonna fill my 4100lbs of blasts and see what happens...

Don't have any crew this weekend, so I can only watch..

kaneboats
05-08-2015, 11:54 PM
Don't have any crew this weekend, so I can only watch..

I feel for you on that one. It gets like that for me in Sept. I've thought about getting college kids from FSU to fill out the crew.

bergermaister
05-09-2015, 12:00 AM
Don't have any crew this weekend, so I can only watch..

Charge up the Gopro - it's ghost rider time!

kaneboats
05-09-2015, 12:09 AM
No, you need your Daddy's Malibu for that one.

parrothd
05-09-2015, 12:21 AM
I actually have peeps that want to ride. I haven't had a chance to shake down the boat yet and they only speak Korean.

I always think they're plotting to kill me, I try to distract them on the way out so they need me to get back to the dock.. Maybe I'm paranoid..

trayson
05-09-2015, 12:37 AM
I've been tempted to buy the manual flow but haven't heard anything good about it yet.

I don't wanna be the guinea pig... :p

This took an hour and used some leftover materials. I'm gonna fill my 4100lbs of blasts and see what happens...

Don't have any crew this weekend, so I can only watch..

Just remember looks can be deceiving. I tested some of my setups and they looked great but totally lacked push (this was w/o the gate, but the same principal applies).

jmvotto
06-03-2015, 10:30 PM
Tested my ghetto gate both straight with the hull and angled at about 20 degrees.

Results were better with the straight extended hull version.

Boonejeepin
06-03-2015, 10:42 PM
Tested my ghetto gate both straight with the hull and angled at about 20 degrees.

Results were better with the straight extended hull version.

I have always wondered what an angled blade would do. Can't wait to see pics.


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jmvotto
06-03-2015, 11:07 PM
Weight. 1180 basement
520 bow
1250 surf side
750 starboard

Two 185 lb men
No real lean

Straight gate

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/th_IMG_0589_zpspclaie0c.mp4 (http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/IMG_0589_zpspclaie0c.mp4)

Gate angle about 20 degrees

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/th_IMG_0590_zpsnx717cpv.mp4 (http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/IMG_0590_zpsnx717cpv.mp4)

powerstroke99
06-04-2015, 04:13 AM
Feel dumb for asking, but are you guys mounting these on the opposite side your surfing?

muehlcj
06-04-2015, 05:57 AM
Tested my ghetto gate both straight with the hull and angled at about 20 degrees.

Results were better with the straight extended hull version.

The wave was good with the angled gate but it was a bit sloppy and lacked push. We tired adding and dropping off side weight with this setup and it didn't make much of a diff.

Adjusted to straight and it cleaned right up. Wave had great push from 3' back to the curl. XLV throws a sick wave with the gate on it and nearly zero list. If you have xlv and surf you need the gate.

muehlcj
06-04-2015, 06:44 AM
Feel dumb for asking, but are you guys mounting these on the opposite side your surfing?
Yes, opposite side.

powerstroke99
06-05-2015, 01:38 AM
Yes, opposite side.

Thanks, found some HDPE on ebay for relatively cheap, going to try this first before I mess with swim deck/make one!

muehlcj
06-05-2015, 10:28 AM
Thanks, found some HDPE on ebay for relatively cheap, going to try this first before I mess with swim deck/make one!

On JM's xlv no modification was made to the swim platform. The gate was installed on the factory platform and worked great.

jmvotto
06-05-2015, 01:53 PM
plus I use 1/2 cutting boards from sams club

5:00
06-05-2015, 02:56 PM
On JM's xlv no modification was made to the swim platform. The gate was installed on the factory platform and worked great.

I was also thinking of modifying the platform to save on some fuel. I hate that the thing just drags through the water when surfing.

jmvotto
06-05-2015, 11:17 PM
I was also thinking of modifying the platform to save on some fuel. I hate that the thing just drags through the water when surfing.

Note worth the effort and really doesn't make a difference.

parrothd
07-24-2015, 10:08 AM
Just an update the geto gate rocks..

I didn't test or use it much until now..

Makes the wave a lot easier to setup and more consistent. The wave seems longer and has a lot more push for me. We were able to double up surfers the other day, also now I can come down the wave out into the flats and then back again. Kinda hard to explain... Really fun..Wasn't a believer until now.. :)

Trying get out into the flats, hard to see with the angle..


https://vimeo.com/134273209

jmvotto
08-14-2015, 07:30 AM
Had some request for photos

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg1_zpsetexxbha.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg1_zpsetexxbha.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg3_zpstf3mtvid.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg3_zpstf3mtvid.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg2_zpsmclq0lol.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg2_zpsmclq0lol.jpg.html)

jmvotto
08-14-2015, 07:33 AM
More pics. Need to paint it black now

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg4_zpshqanjdtt.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg4_zpshqanjdtt.jpg.html)

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/image.jpg5_zpskyoixqsp.jpg (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/jmvotto/media/image.jpg5_zpskyoixqsp.jpg.html)

parrothd
08-14-2015, 11:09 AM
Mine isn't as nice.. But reversible, we used it a ton..

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/da56cd121898635be0c741438fcf0f62.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/6a24396d67345f6093c8d557bb6b8033.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/94a5b8f9b62d837c67c38b70a1f3ccb0.jpg

spyder
08-14-2015, 11:17 AM
Wish I had a platform like yours. I hate the hollow bottom of the lsv platform.

parrothd
08-14-2015, 11:22 AM
That's about 175-200$.. Pretty easy to make..

sivs1
08-14-2015, 11:36 AM
Leave it to you to make one that works on both sides. Nice friggin job! I am waiting for a template for one that works on the '06+ LSV's. After riding Russ's boat I am on board but there is no way I'm going to experiment around and try to figure it out. Nice job! Keep us posted.


Here is version 1. There are still some issues but the void it creates tells me it's doing something. I have the stock platform. I need to add something between the hull and the gate to prevent spray. All 3/4 inch plywood and 2x4, wrapped in marine vinyl I had laying around.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/13/5d38b8c3eb1e2759a735a05b3b37cdce.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/13/2abd59153b5e194f55c9b3debe74fb56.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/13/8eaa3a04df018829a80e5d7937dd144b.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/13/8d923a50f5ee6aa6b3b0c7d212d278e1.jpg

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

This needs revision, but gives you an idea....

jmvotto
08-16-2015, 11:43 PM
Painted black, plus video in action.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/th_IMG_0856_zpskhmvevxd.mp4 (http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/jmvotto/IMG_0856_zpskhmvevxd.mp4)

flydoc
08-26-2015, 11:24 PM
What is the foam that you guys are using to cover the top. Looks like surf foam that you put on the top of wakesurf boards. I'm making my ghetto gate for my 05 XLV now and want to put the foam on the top. Any good source for a nice big sheet?

Boonejeepin
08-26-2015, 11:56 PM
I used hydroturf.


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trayson
08-27-2015, 01:07 AM
What is the foam that you guys are using to cover the top. Looks like surf foam that you put on the top of wakesurf boards. I'm making my ghetto gate for my 05 XLV now and want to put the foam on the top. Any good source for a nice big sheet?

Like Russ said, he used hydroturf. a lot of people have ripped out their carpet and have used hydroturf instead. And likewise used it to make gunwale step pads and to line the bottom of their lockers.

The best source I've found is www.pwcmuscle.com and ask Derek to give you the 15% forum discount. I recommend the molded diamond b-stock because it's way cheaper and the imperfections aren't noticeable unless you really look for them. Derek might not have the bstock on his website, but he can get it just fine. That is what I did, called and asked. Good luck.

spyder
08-27-2015, 10:28 AM
plus I use 1/2 cutting boards from sams club

found this at local Costco, JUST arrived after I found another (more expensive) source... UGHH...

This is Canadian Costco btw..

http://i.imgur.com/iRlUukzl.jpg

kaneboats
08-27-2015, 03:38 PM
Ordered two of these and got $10 shipping. Not too bad. Here we go.

http://www.foodservicewarehouse.com/pinch/cbp-2015/p1516183.aspx?selectedSku=1005246

mikenehrkorn
08-27-2015, 08:19 PM
Doesn't help you much now, but I would have gotten three of them and doubled up on the part of the gate that goes up against the transom.....mine broke cause the material was just too thin and the section at the bottom that went around the platform brackets was just too small. Maybe you could change your order before it ships??

kaneboats
08-28-2015, 01:03 AM
Easy, Grasshopper. My wife will not miss the part that is going to thicken that board. Heh, heh, heh.

bergermaister
08-28-2015, 01:20 AM
So she's saying thicker is better?

.....

kaneboats
08-28-2015, 01:23 AM
No, I said she won't miss it. Oh, wait a minute .. . . . .

mikenehrkorn
08-28-2015, 07:31 AM
Easy, Grasshopper. My wife will not miss the part that is going to thicken that board. Heh, heh, heh.

Should have never doubted you, always Mr. Prepared!! :)

moombadaze
08-28-2015, 08:07 PM
Should have never doubted you, always Mr. Prepared!! :)

well we did run out of beer in the boat one time

Derrick
08-31-2015, 07:51 AM
I wanted to thank everyone for posting the details on their Ghetto Gates and how they made them. We made one this weekend I was shocked at how much of a difference it made. We easily gained and extra 5 ft of pocket and a foot of wave height. Wife was super pissed about me "modifying" the boat until she rode behind it. All was ok once she realized how much more area she had to ride around in. Thank you.

jmvotto
08-31-2015, 09:40 AM
post some pics

Derrick
08-31-2015, 10:38 AM
22897

We put it together to try it out. Now that I know how good it works, I am planning to spend the money on black HDPE and make one that will hold up longer and doesn't look as bad when on the boat.

sivs1
08-31-2015, 10:53 AM
22897

We put it together to try it out. Now that I know how good it works, I am planning to spend the money on black HDPE and make one that will hold up longer and doesn't look as bad when on the boat.

Looks almost identical to the version 2 I made. My blade or gate it self is 14 x 24, so it's pretty big. Need to get pictures of it and post up. Mine is designed to switch from Regular to Goofy.

psycho-heico
08-31-2015, 12:20 PM
Yes SIV1 get those pics up....lets see it.....and Derrick any wave pics with it on??

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 10:33 AM
Got my first try at a gate done last night. We'll try it out tomorrow.

22958

22959

5:00
09-04-2015, 10:37 AM
Are you putting anything between the gate and the hull to keep it from getting damaged?
Looks great!

moombadaze
09-04-2015, 10:58 AM
Got my first try at a gate done last night. We'll try it out tomorrow.

22958

22959

looks almost identical to version 1 I made

spyder
09-04-2015, 11:13 AM
Got my first try at a gate done last night. We'll try it out tomorrow.

22958

22959

good looking design, what about an extra piece for stability behind the platform? would that be possible? similar to the piece on the edge of the platform..

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 11:24 AM
Are you putting anything between the gate and the hull to keep it from getting damaged?
Looks great!

Like what? A piece of plastic? It's made out of plastic and there are no screw heads on the hull side.

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 11:28 AM
looks almost identical to version 1 I made

I liked your version a lot (version 2? in the pic below for you guys who haven't seen it-- tried out Daze's gate and really loved what it did for my wave). However, my cutting boards were only 20" long so I couldn't make that one. Had to modify the plans for the ones Joe and Russ made.

22960

5:00
09-04-2015, 11:28 AM
Something soft like splitting a soft hose down the middle or using Hydro Turf. If it is slammed against the hull like it will be maybe it will be all right?

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 11:29 AM
I have tons of hydroturf lying around. Maybe I'll try something.

parrothd
09-04-2015, 11:59 AM
Got my first try at a gate done last night. We'll try it out tomorrow.

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Looks good, for future reference you don't need to follow the hull contour.. :)

moombadaze
09-04-2015, 12:02 PM
Looks good, for future reference you don't need to follow the hull contour.. :)

why not ?
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parrothd
09-04-2015, 12:07 PM
I used some left over hydro between the gate and the hull, it doesn't move or rattle much.

You're gonna love the results, I still only put %50? on the non-surf side, I've also found that I don't need my IBS.

Remember to only turn toward the gate side, use it as an advantage, you'll be able to spin the boat.. :)

I come off the throttle, sharp turn towards gate, causes me to 180 back towards the rider, then head at them, then sharp turn again before running them over causes another 180 and the backend swings around in front of the rider.. :)

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 12:12 PM
I spent several days using Daze's gate above. Put it on my boat when we were on vacation and never gave it back till we loaded up to leave. ha ha.

I had never run anything in the opposite locker. Now I have a 540 opposite my 750. I plan to start with the 750 full, the center 400 and mini IBS (about 375) full and about 400 in the 540. I have a 400 under the surf side seats. I anticipate not needing it anymore but intend to try it both ways. The other thing I noticed using Daze's gate is I only needed about 1/3 of the wakeplate I would run without it (from almost all the way up to about 30% up). We'll check on that too.

parrothd
09-04-2015, 12:17 PM
[QUOTE=moombadaze;276143]why not ?
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I didn't with my gate, seems like a lot of extra work, doubtful it has much impact on the wave, it's such a small surface area(the curved extra part)..

I could be wrong however you can't reverse the gate and you loose some surface area, I think my gate is 12 x 24...

parrothd
09-04-2015, 12:22 PM
I spent several days using Daze's gate above. Put it on my boat when we were on vacation and never gave it back till we loaded up to leave. ha ha.

I had never run anything in the opposite locker. Now I have a 540 opposite my 750. I plan to start with the 750 full, the center 400 and mini IBS (about 375) full and about 400 in the 540. I have a 400 under the surf side seats. I anticipate not needing it anymore but intend to try it both ways. The other thing I noticed using Daze's gate is I only needed about 1/3 of the wakeplate I would run without it (from almost all the way up to about 30% up). We'll check on that too.


I don't use the plate that much anymore it's usually all the way up, just adjust the speed .2 one way or the other or add/remove out the non-surf side. The great thing at least with my gate the wave is always the same, there's really no fussing around anymore. Fill it up, 11mph and it's almost the same as the day before, really consistent even with rive speed changes, fuel weight, etc, etc...

moombadaze
09-04-2015, 01:13 PM
how far down into the water (below the swim platform) does a gate need to be.

kaneboats
09-04-2015, 01:17 PM
Made mine even with the bottom of the hull at the outer edge. Might not need to be that deep but have to figure that's where the wave starts forming.

jmvotto
09-04-2015, 01:36 PM
Made mine even with the bottom of the hull at the outer edge. Might not need to be that deep but have to figure that's where the wave starts forming.


Yes. I worked from the bottom up . Seems to work

parrothd
09-04-2015, 02:49 PM
Yes. I worked from the bottom up . Seems to work


Mines deeper, remember the more roll the less gate is in the water... :)

https://goo.gl/photos/ZoVd72QMfJ3ihsAd6

moombadaze
09-04-2015, 03:24 PM
mine is flush to the bottom of the hull too, just wondering if if it needs to be that deep

psycho-heico
09-04-2015, 04:29 PM
these look great....any chance you snapped pics of the wave it made ?? our season is coming close to an end, may not get minetested till next season....

parrothd
09-04-2015, 04:42 PM
these look great....any chance you snapped pics of the wave it made ?? our season is coming close to an end, may not get minetested till next season....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcdORdEO76Y

Jump to 13:00ish, I start making them...need to figure out the switch back...

bsharer
09-04-2015, 09:33 PM
https://forum.moomba.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20907&d=1412002114

996scott
09-05-2015, 08:47 PM
started working on one last night, one question; I have the bottom of the gate flush with the bottom of the boat but how high above the platform does it need to go? Just thinking if it is on the opposite side of surfing, then because the boat is listing some to the surf side the there wouldn't be a need for the gate to be too much higher than the swim platform?

mikenehrkorn
09-05-2015, 09:49 PM
I have mine at least a few inches over the height of the water when fully weighted so the water doesn't flow right over the top of the gate.

wolfeman131
09-05-2015, 09:52 PM
so the water doesn't flow right over the top of the gate.

If this happens, the wave will wash out.

sivs1
09-05-2015, 10:20 PM
My gate is 14 tall and 24 long. Mounts on platform centered, so I can use it goofy and regular. Stock LSV platform, works well.

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sivs1
09-06-2015, 09:40 PM
Okay, here is version 2. Not much different than version 1. No more tie down strap, more stable. I'm trying to keep it universal for both goofy and regular. It is 14 by 24, plywood wrapped in marine vinyl. Am thinking of adding something between the gate and hull to fill the void, but so far doesn't seem to be an issue. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/d12c50e2e5ea75eb6a67222e20525157.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/5efae2e9c6854e1accab0cd99b0be24e.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/b3b445706f35b9f7b7830ae103d8d0d6.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/edf65a047590a89376f7306ccf0525b8.jpg

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sivs1
09-06-2015, 10:05 PM
The wave regular side. Both 800 rears full, center 400 full, ibs 550 full. One person in boat.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/c7751ced376a71ad97d2ade728fa96b0.jpg

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psycho-heico
09-06-2015, 10:11 PM
wow looks great, both the gate and wave, is the push significantly better ?? thanks for sharing and posting....

sivs1
09-06-2015, 11:42 PM
The pocket is much bigger, was able to tell an improvement in the push in comparison to not using the gate.

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jmvotto
09-07-2015, 08:47 AM
slvs1,

You notice any issues with the small gap between the hull and the gate?
you live in park city or vacation there, we just booked our ski trip to go three days of cat skiing in February

spyder
09-07-2015, 09:12 AM
Okay, here is version 2. Not much different than version 1. No more tie down strap, more stable. I'm trying to keep it universal for both goofy and regular. It is 14 by 24, plywood wrapped in marine vinyl. Am thinking of adding something between the gate and hull to fill the void, but so far doesn't seem to be an issue. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/06/b3b445706f35b9f7b7830ae103d8d0d6.jpg

I have a similar build and platform. But I have a LSV. The only thing I'm scared of is the water pressure pushing on that bottom lip of the platform. I have a feeling it will crack over time.

I don't have a photo of it'd mounted right now. But here's my version 1 prototype. Lol

http://i.imgur.com/R8zVdM3l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7w9XLO0l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9OfEc1bl.jpg

I only have 1 750lbs bag. So for me I have to use my 440 or 450s in the rear. It's just not enough. Will need to get another 750

jmvotto
09-07-2015, 09:22 AM
Should be fine no problems with mine .

sivs1
09-07-2015, 09:44 AM
mine is on a LSV, I agree there could be potential for cracking. From what I can tell the pressure pushes back onto the 2x4's that then is against the stern. you'll see two blocks pushing on the platform, those are not really needed, just added as a spacer for when everything tightens up.

jmvotto
09-07-2015, 10:53 PM
Are you putting anything between the gate and the hull to keep it from getting damaged?
Looks great!

I put weather stripping on mine , all points that may contact the hull.

jmvotto
09-07-2015, 10:55 PM
Got my first try at a gate done last night. We'll try it out tomorrow.

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Pat that looks great, yours is almost identical to mine except for that angled cut you put in there, over achiever:-o

spyder
09-07-2015, 11:05 PM
here's a shot of a friend out behind the boat with me driving, we lost almost all the curl at the front of the wave, sever loss of push.. any recommendations?

http://i.imgur.com/af2PjVkl.jpg

jmvotto
09-07-2015, 11:08 PM
here's a shot of a friend out behind the boat with me driving, we lost almost all the curl at the front of the wave, sever loss of push.. any recommendations?

http://i.imgur.com/af2PjVkl.jpg


What weight are you running? , speed and wake plate Plus I think your gate is taller than it is longer, you may want to rotate it 90 degrees

spyder
09-07-2015, 11:15 PM
What weight are you running? , speed and wake plate Plus I think your gate is taller than it is longer, you may want to rotate it 90 degrees

i mentioned above, using what i have is not cutting it.. i assume lack of weight in rear is the issue.

i only have have the in floor, the 2 rear 400's (http://www.fatsac.com/FATSACS.bifh) and single 750 (used this solely in rear before gate)

i need to source another 750 for the rear to move the 750's into the rear locker and but the 450 up front in between the seats.

jmvotto
09-07-2015, 11:40 PM
i mentioned above, using what i have is not cutting it.. i assume lack of weight in rear is the issue.

i only have have the in floor, the 2 rear 400's (http://www.fatsac.com/FATSACS.bifh) and single 750 (used this solely in rear before gate)

i need to source another 750 for the rear to move the 750's into the rear locker and but the 450 up front in between the seats.

That would probably work. I know I had to slow my speed from around 11.5 to about 10.9 with the gate.

spyder
09-07-2015, 11:41 PM
That would probably work. I know I had to slow my speed from around 11.5 to about 10.9 with the gate.

i tested 10.2 up to about 11mph

parrothd
09-07-2015, 11:46 PM
You need the 1100s, that's what i use in my 06.. Full 1100 surf, plus a 400 under the seats and 500-600 on the non surf side, plus center, IBS is optional

spyder
09-08-2015, 12:24 AM
You need the 1100s, that's what i use in my 06.. Full 1100 surf, plus a 400 under the seats and 500-600 on the non surf side, plus center, IBS is optional

how do you get that boat to actually move... :)

bsharer
09-08-2015, 12:32 AM
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1100 port rear, 400 under port middle seats, 1180 bow, maybe 200 starboard rear and the ghetto gate. Need more weight starboard rear, the way was nice when my buddy switched sides

spyder
09-08-2015, 10:10 AM
here's a shot of a friend out behind the boat with me driving, we lost almost all the curl at the front of the wave, sever loss of push.. any recommendations?

http://i.imgur.com/af2PjVkl.jpg

im also thinking the 06 stock platform on the LSV is digging into the wave as well.. would like to make a custom platform in the off season.

trayson
09-08-2015, 02:17 PM
Are you putting anything between the gate and the hull to keep it from getting damaged?
Looks great!


Like what? A piece of plastic? It's made out of plastic and there are no screw heads on the hull side.

I am using a pool noodle from the dollar store.

This is before I cut it down to size to more match the dimensions of the 2014 Axis surfgates...
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ec34PL94URA/VRHWWFZnXzI/AAAAAAAAYag/UjJk0uAIvrI/s800-Ic42/20150324_141407.jpg

Here's what it looks like now and I've got the noodle in my hands.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/HzcJv99ef3W9akPKAvuo95l1QEVxwJ_Vmq0I5qkvYxu-q7uR0i22dBwbco5VCHtmyPbsyA=w1202-h641

Here's my "before" wave on the day that I tested it with my normal setup (playpen 1180 gravity bag full, surfside 1100 full, non-surfside 1100 half full, and 400 under surfside seat full. a pair of over 200 pound adults on the surfside. 10mph. typically it's wakeplate 1/4 of the way down.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5Iq0yqZdQfQ/Ve8gevTn7xI/AAAAAAAAaME/kOgevU-xiHY/s800-Ic42/20150904_174223.jpg

With the gate added to this setup, the wave felt shallower and was longer with more hook out to the surfside. It really felt more 'skim' than surf optimized.
Honestly for all the extra space it takes up and for the hassle of putting it on and off, it wasn't enough of a breathtaking wave difference to justify the hassle.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/O8YBXOU0DZmZH7R6f9l4lNMCUt4rFEFAhX07BZlsEA2TS5DF4L fYk8VLDEtF18JlZkfwIQ=w1202-h641


The afternoon wasn't all that smooth, but it was an apples to apples comparison. we were able to decrease the speed of the boat with the gate, but again, with all the ballast variability I have with 5 different bags I can fill, I much prefer the experience of the listed boat without the extra hassle, fuel consumption, and strain on my engine that the gate makes.


Also, I did test my gate and it's "neutrally buoyant". Like a wakeboard when it's attached to your feet. it floats, but just enough to not sink. it don't float on TOP of the water like an EPS Foam surfboard.

trayson
09-08-2015, 02:25 PM
Compare the above to just changing my setup with people weight:


Wife driving = subtract 100 pounds from above pictures driver weight
Added 300 - 350 pounds by adding 2 more people to the boat.


And now look at the weight with no gate:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_WJDUJv84MgDKEElMVN9RkYCYmLoPGyGZi-fGeHtitAJ03-1W8qd957bFC54cfGuHOhBeA=w1202-h641

moombadaze
09-08-2015, 02:44 PM
Trayson, is your blade sticking out or going straight back

trayson
09-08-2015, 02:54 PM
Trayson, is your blade sticking out or going straight back

I modeled mine after the Malibu and Axis surfgates, so they have that 22.5 degree angle. I thought about making them with an adjustable angle, but whipped out the project in one evening.

moombadaze
09-08-2015, 02:58 PM
from what I have gathered the straight back style works better for the Moomba's--you might want to mod your mod a little and see what the results are

trayson
09-08-2015, 03:12 PM
from what I have gathered the straight back style works better for the Moomba's--you might want to mod your mod a little and see what the results are

I might if I get motivated. But there's a HUGE mod list that's getting priority. so it's way down on the list. I'm excited to start my homemade FAE next!

Derrick
09-08-2015, 08:03 PM
Has anyone been able to evenly weight the boat with a ghetto gate and have a clean wake? We still have to weight ours pretty heavily to the surf side to get it clean. We are trying to figure out how the malibu we were in was evenly weighted and had a perfect wave on both sides and we can't come close to this with the gate.

jmvotto
09-08-2015, 11:20 PM
Trayson, I tried three different angles on the xlv and and they all lose push . Straight back extension works the best.

Derrick, I have not been able to weight the xlv evenly, but with the gate it is definitely more towards level. I need about 500 lbs in the opposite locker offsetting roughly 1200 lbs. without the gate I add zero weight in opposite locker.

MJHSupra
09-09-2015, 11:57 AM
Trayson, I tried three different angles on the xlv and and they all lose push . Straight back extension works the best.
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Do you think that would be the same for a 2007 Supra SSV22' - straight back extension?

M

5:00
09-09-2015, 12:21 PM
I'm excited to start my homemade FAE next! Let us know how that goes for sure. Very interesting!

jmvotto
09-10-2015, 10:55 PM
Do you think that would be the same for a 2007 Supra SSV22' - straight back extension?

M


Yes it should be, only real angle gate is the Malibu, bu they have the wedge. Which I believe plays into it, so straight hull ext should work fine.

trayson
09-11-2015, 11:09 AM
Yes it should be, only real angle gate is the Malibu, bu they have the wedge. Which I believe plays into it, so straight hull ext should work fine.

That's an interesting theory to pursue. I have a friend with an F23 tomcat that has fully automatic gates with Lenco actuators. He always deploys them to full despite his ability to deploy them at any angle from 0 to 22.5

kaneboats
09-11-2015, 12:51 PM
I got to try my gate last Sat. but then had a busy weekend and an early flight Tues. morning for work. Got back after 2 am this morning and haven't been on here all week. I ran 750 in the surf side rear and about 450 in the opposite locker with around 350 in my mini IBS plus 400 in the center. Boat was fairly level and wake was decent. I filled my 400 under the seat and it got better with the boat listed. Only had 5 kids with me in the boat so not a ton of weight or as much as we usually run. I noticed I need almost no wake plate (maybe up 10-15%). But the wake was bigger, further back, longer and more fun than normal. Really loved it and was able to ride out a 360 for the first time. Hope I can get out again soon and try some tweaks to see if will get even better. Definitely worth the $35 I have in it. I'll try to find some pics of us riding it.

sivs1
09-11-2015, 03:49 PM
Let us know how that goes for sure. Very interesting!

I have one, was fairly easy, hardest part was keeping it on, there's a lot of pressure coming out of the exhaust. All sourced from HD.