Replacing carpeted flooring with HydroTruf?

[Rakkasan]

Would this be a good option?
I asked for some samples from HydroTurf and just got them in the mail yesterday. It fells really durable and has a little cushioning to it. I'm just tired of this Georgia clay staining all my carpet and I can fell the mold wanting to grow.

Has anyone replaced their entire floor with this stuff and if so how does it hold up and look. I thought of the seadek route because you can get them to custom cut your template for you but keep reading the horror story's on here about the CS. Plus HydroTurf is cheaper.

[bergermaister]

IIRC the carpet hides some pretty severe gaps and mis-aligned panels on the flooring. Lots of discussion about replacing it - few have actually done it.

[Rakkasan]

IIRC the carpet hides some pretty severe gaps and mis-aligned panels on the flooring. Lots of discussion about replacing it - few have actually done it.

What panels beside the fuel tank covers and the front ballast door? They seem pretty tight as far as gaps go but it's hard to tell with the carpet on.

[bergermaister]

Can't say that I've seen it firsthand. I just spend a lot of time trolling the forums... ;)

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?14746-New-Carpet-Install&p=139394#post139394

[Rakkasan]

That's the post that really got me thinking about replacing the carpet. It's a pretty small area with only the two fuel tank covers and the ballast door. I even considered not cutting out the fuel tank covers and just covering them completely. How many times have you ever opened that up any way. If I ever needed to get down there I could just trace out the covers with a razor blade or recover with a new sheet of Hydroturf. At $70 a sheet that wouldn't kill me to replace.

[bergermaister]

True. Only cut it out if needed. NewGuy put something similar down in his old 02 and was happy with it.

Personally I just got new 40oz carpet last summer via Newty and love it but would still like to hydroturf my rear lockers. It's somewhere on the eternally growing to-do list.

Snap in carpet would be cool too...

[parrothd]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/a2usenen.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/u5y8e3yg.jpg

I didn't get a chance to use it, the boat sold to quick. On my other boats it's really nice, just use the hose/power washer to clean. You may want to add some draining locations so you can push all the dirt into it.. :D

[Rakkasan]

Thanks for the pics!! Did that boat originally have carpet or was the white deck always showing in those areas. It looks really clean but I think I have more space around my center ballast door and don't know if there's color under the carpet.

[parrothd]

Mine was the older LSV, what's your model?

It had carpet only in the main seating area. If you have a newer models it should be easier since you can tuck the excess turf under the walls so there little trimming.

Probably easier to stick with the groove hydro, you can splice pieces easier together.

Did you look at the surf/supl version, it may be to soft? They also sell a underneath pad to make cushier. There's a coupon code for 10% or 15% off on seadooforum.net..

[Rakkasan]

Mine was the older LSV, what's your model?

It had carpet only in the main seating area. If you have a newer models it should be easier since you can tuck the excess turf under the walls so there little trimming..

Mines an 08. Your right about being able to tuck it under the seats so you don't have to trim as much. I wish it was sold a little longer that way I could use one continuos roll and only cut out the center ballast door. I got a sample of the molded diamond in Drk Gray that the wife really liked. It's the same color as the carpet and would match the rest of the grays in the boat.

[parrothd]

Call them, it must come off a large roll..

[Rakkasan]

Good point

[motosno963]

I watched parrothd do it through his thread. I want to do the turf in my 04 since it seems like everyone drinks and eats in my boat and doesn't care. Resulting in stains all over the old carpet. I think if I do this my life would be easier haha

[valleywine]

What does the surface look like my boat.....is it finished, unfinished, solid or are there gaps? I have the remove able floor section.

[Rakkasan]

What does the surface look like my boat.....is it finished, unfinished, solid or are there gaps? I have the remove able floor section.

I'mmm confused as to what's being asked here.

Just for an update. I bit the bullet and bought the Hydro. It maybe hard and time consuming but I don't care at the end of the season the carpet is history.

[ninedriver]

What does the surface look like my boat.....is it finished, unfinished, solid or are there gaps? I have the remove able floor section.

I'm guessing unfinished (rough,not smooth gel coat), there will be gaps where the floor panels can be removed.
That's why our boats have wall to wall carpeting. It's less expensive than finishing, gel coating, and aligning gaps, etc.
I'm sure with a lot of patience, time, and beer, you could do a custom hydroturf install and make it look close to factory. If you've seen the nautiques with the seadeck, it's over finished floors so it's applied in sections with some exposed floor showing. You'd probably have to cover the whole floor to keep the unfinished floor from showing.

[valleywine]

To the best of my knowledge, the older möbius (2005-) and the outback v (2006-2008) have the removable floor section. You guys with 06 möbius and newer have a different hull? Just wondering if the removable floor type has a finished floor underneath the existing carpet where you could install snap in carpet. Or is it unfinished? Some guys have put hydroturf on these models so they would know what the finish looks like and if it actually a one piece section or if it has multiple pieces or sections under the carpet in this area. Will likely be a winter project so trying to plan things out. Thanks.

[kaneboats]

Just for an update. I bit the bullet and bought the Hydro. It maybe hard and time consuming but I don't care at the end of the season the carpet is history.

I'm watching with great interest. Please document everything you can for the rest of us. I'm probably next in line.

[parrothd]

I think the 06+ models would be a little easier. They have the trim piece around the outside edge to hide the cut edge of the hydro. For the middle panels(depending on the gap) I'd use one continuous piece over the entire floor, then using a straight edge/razor cut around the panels. You could either roll the excess over the edges or cut the excess off. A small gap around them would work well, this would help with water draining. I'd experiment first to see which works best...

[Rakkasan]

Well I finally got started. A little earlier than I wanted but because of work I might not be back on the water before the temps drop. Started with clearing the carpet off the rear bench, back wall, and then got to one of the tank covers. 2084720848208492085020851

[Rakkasan]

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[Rakkasan]

Sorry for the small pic but can't seem to figure out how to make the full size on the tablet.

[parrothd]

I skipped hydroing the bench seat. I couldn't figure out how to lay out the hydro and hide the seams, went with carpet instead on it..

[kaneboats]

Thanks for all the pics. Still watching with great interest.

[Rakkasan]

Jumped in the boat this weekend to get all the prep started. I will say this ripping out the carpet took all of 20 minutes. Cleaning the floor of glue, about another 5hrs. The floor seems the be pieced together somehow. It's smooth fiberglass on most the the floor but you can see patches around the vdrive and a white patch just froward of the center locker.

In my planing I thought I could get away with one set of seams between sheets but it's looking like it will be two because the sheet only come in a length of 60". Just hope I can get the seams together close enough that everyone's eyes won't be drawn to them. Also I'm going to try and bolt the two sections over the gas tank into one solid piece. That should cut down on the need the mold the Hydro over the sides some.

[rdlangston13]

Any pictures of just the actual hydro turf material?


Sent from my iPhone

[Rakkasan]

Any pictures of just the actual hydro turf material?


Sent from my iPhone

I'm here to please. :D

Probably bought more than I need but wanted extra for other areas. Got 4 sheets on Gray Molded Diamond for the floor and other places and 2 sheets of Gray Flat for the rear bench seat and back wall.

[kaneboats]

Might think about going ahead and replacing your steering cable while you have it all apart- if you haven't done this job already.

[Rakkasan]

Is the steering cable a common issue with these boats?

[rdlangston13]

Is the steering cable a common issue with these boats?

It is a wearable item like brake pads and just needs to be replaced ever so often. Probably about time on a 2008 model.

[parrothd]

Have you checked out how the trim comes off? Probably save a lot of head ache pulling it off and reglue?

[Rakkasan]

The trim is on there pretty good with glue. It's not much of a headache to work around. I removed all the screws holding the seat bases to the floor and then used a pry bar to lift the bases about 1/2 inch up. Then I put a 1/2 inch thick piece of lumber under the brackets that hold the seat bases to the floor. After removing the carpet and with the 1/2 inch lift from the lumber there's a nice sized gap that the Hydro can slide under the molding with out having to touch it.

[parrothd]

Nice........

[Rakkasan]

Put the HydroTurf down on the rear bench seat this morning. One thing you have to really do is square up the sheets because their not square AT ALL!!
My cuts are a little crooked. Started with the bench though because most all the cuts are under the seat and folded around the edges so they won't be seen. Because of the size of the sheet I did have seams on the side of the bench but those won't be seen while in the boat so I'm not too worried plus the seam came out all right.

Going to need new vinyl now.

[spyder]

looks good, hard to see clearly though

[Rakkasan]

Yeah, sorry. Just have the phone for pics right now

[spyder]

Jumped in the boat this weekend to get all the prep started. I will say this ripping out the carpet took all of 20 minutes. Cleaning the floor of glue, about another 5hrs. The floor seems the be pieced together somehow. It's smooth fiberglass on most the the floor but you can see patches around the vdrive and a white patch just froward of the center locker.

In my planing I thought I could get away with one set of seams between sheets but it's looking like it will be two because the sheet only come in a length of 60". Just hope I can get the seams together close enough that everyone's eyes won't be drawn to them. Also I'm going to try and bolt the two sections over the gas tank into one solid piece. That should cut down on the need the mold the Hydro over the sides some.

my floor plates don't line up, never have since i became the owner in 2008... any idea what could be buggering it up? i could never figure it out.. since you have yours apart...

http://i.imgur.com/Az2gbl.jpg

[Rakkasan]

my floor plates don't line up, never have since i became the owner in 2008... any idea what could be buggering it up? i could never figure it out.. since you have yours apart...

http://i.imgur.com/Az2gbl.jpg

How are all the other gaps? If you have a carpenters square put it in the corners and make sure there all 90 degree angles. Check the gap towards the VDrive and see if it's really tight on the same side.
You could always pull all the screws out and try to realign the covers. The screws just go right into the fiberglass. There's no hole specifically drilled for each screw. It almost like they just drop the plates down and screw them down.
There's 4 screws per cover and would take about 2mins to pull them up, not hard at all.

If you need some up close pics of something let me know and I'll try and help out.

[spyder]

How are all the other gaps? If you have a carpenters square put it in the corners and make sure there all 90 degree angles. Check the gap towards the VDrive and see if it's really tight on the same side.
You could always pull all the screws out and try to realign the covers. The screws just go right into the fiberglass. There's no hole specifically drilled for each screw. It almost like they just drop the plates down and screw them down.
There's 4 screws per cover and would take about 2mins to pull them up, not hard at all.

If you need some up close pics of something let me know and I'll try and help out.

Turns out my whole floor is out of whack. Add that up to more QC issues. I don't think I could ever buy another Moomba if they are made the same way now as they were in 06.

I kind of made do by spinning it around putting the gap in the center and stuffing a strip of carpet it. Looks ghetto. But less ghetto then a gap.
http://i.imgur.com/AEy0WeZl.jpg

[Rakkasan]

WOW!! That is pretty bad. It looks alright like that. My gaps are fine but when I add the two covers back I'm going to try and bolt the two together and make them into one solid piece. If you ever wanted to recover I'd do that so as to possibly eliminate to gap. Maybe

[Rakkasan]

Your carpet looks a lot better then mine did too.

[spyder]

WOW!! That is pretty bad. It looks alright like that. My gaps are fine but when I add the two covers back I'm going to try and bolt the two together and make them into one solid piece. If you ever wanted to recover I'd do that so as to possibly eliminate to gap. Maybe

Thats a good idea. Be cautious of the gap in the gas tank that holds the 2 pieces in place. That seems to screw with my alignment as well.

[bergermaister]

If that were my floor I'd be peeling the carpet off the edges and adding a strip of something to the floor panel(s) for more length, then pull the carpet back over and reglue. Something to fill the spaces from under the carpet and make those gaps vanish.

[Rakkasan]

Half way done. I'll get some better final pics when it's complete.
For those of you wanting the do this it's a lot easier than it looks. The best thing is if you think of it as carpet and fold the turf around all the edges like the carpet is. There's no real need for perfect cuts because they'll be hidden under or between something. The only perfect cuts are where you'll have to join two pieces togeather. Because of the turf doesn't come long enough for the whole floor I'll have to have three seams.

[parrothd]

Looking good..

[valleywine]

Looks great. I just finished mine last week. Did you use the soft or stiff material? I didn't know there were two versions when I ordered the hydroturf, but I guess there is.

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[parrothd]

They even sell 1/4in to 2in(?)under padding to make it even softer..:p

[Rakkasan]

Looks great. I just finished mine last week. Did you use the soft or stiff material? I didn't know there were two versions when I ordered the hydroturf, but I guess there is.

20977

I'm using the Molded Diamond on mine because from all the reading I did from the jet ski guys the molded is the strongest. I guess some guys with the cut Diamond had the replace about every season or two but the molded stuff lasted several years. I hope I'm not as ruff on my floor as they are.

There are different soft vs stiff material but from what I understand the soft stuff is like the kind that goes on surfboard and isn't suited for flooring.

[Rakkasan]

They even sell 1/4in to 2in(?)under padding to make it even softer..:p

I didn't even think about adding padding. I think it feels soft enough without it though.

[Rakkasan]

Done. Pretty much

[ninedriver]

Looks great. Did you replace the carpet in the storage areas as well? Also, did you screw the tank cover panels back down or just place them back in?

[Rakkasan]

Looks great. Did you replace the carpet in the storage areas as well? Also, did you screw the tank cover panels back down or just place them back in?

Just the floor, might do the rear lockers later. The panels are screwed down. Wanted the make them into one piece but realized I wouldn't be able the get the screw holes or gaps just right so I abandoned that idea.

[viking]

Your gonna love it next season!!

[spyder]

Just the floor, might do the rear lockers later. The panels are screwed down. Wanted the make them into one piece but realized I wouldn't be able the get the screw holes or gaps just right so I abandoned that idea.

all the fiberglass where my screw holes are are worn out...

[kaneboats]

Looks fantastic. Really thinking this one over now.

[kaneboats]

How much hydroturf did you buy and what size sheets? I'm trying to work this out but running into a couple of issues. I'm not in love with any of the colors with my color scheme. I would go with the swamp camo but can't get in the thicker diamond pattern.

[Rakkasan]

I bought 4 sheets on Molded Diamond and 2 plain flat sheets all 40X62. Still have one Flat left and a lot of scraps of the diamond.
This place had good deals and free shipping which saved even more.

www.AD-DiscountPowersports.com

I read a lot of the jet ski forums and all said the Molded was the toughest and would last the longest. I know we don't abuse our floors like the jet skiers do but they say they were only getting a season or two out of the cut stuff and years out of the molded.

Hope that helps in your decision

[parrothd]

There's a 15% discount code..

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?38655-Hydro-Turf-Discount-15-off!

Go with a light color, I can tell you black showed everything.. :)

[kaneboats]

They really need a couple more colors. Like a Desert tan and a pewter or fossil one. Too much purple for the jet ski crowd. I wonder how the lighter material that comes in swamp camo would hold up. I guess it's cheap enough to re-do every few years if necessary.

[viking]

I like the black over grey and grey over black molded diamond.
Neutral but also not mono-tone

[bergermaister]

I was warned that the camo prints will fade within a season or two of being in the sun. Maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing though?

[parrothd]

Guess it depends on how much sun it gets..

[kaneboats]

I would be happy to get out enough that the color faded.

[rdlangston13]

I wish it just had the little dot texture like seadeck has

[996scott]

Rakkasan, that really looks nice. Great job. Maybe I missed it but did you glue down the hydro or did you buy the sheets that had the adhesive backing on it?

[Rakkasan]

Thanks, used adhesive backed

[kaneboats]

That's what I ordered.

[trayson]

I bought 4 sheets on Molded Diamond and 2 plain flat sheets all 40X62. Still have one Flat left and a lot of scraps of the diamond.
This place had good deals and free shipping which saved even more.

www.AD-DiscountPowersports.com

I read a lot of the jet ski forums and all said the Molded was the toughest and would last the longest. I know we don't abuse our floors like the jet skiers do but they say they were only getting a season or two out of the cut stuff and years out of the molded.

Hope that helps in your decision

They do have decent prices with free shipping. But in the Molded, I only found dark gray and black. You guys said the molded is the more robust product, so I'm inclined to go that way...


There's a 15% discount code..

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?38655-Hydro-Turf-Discount-15-off!

Go with a light color, I can tell you black showed everything.. :)

I can't find the ability to order the molded diamond on their site, just the cut products...


I like the black over grey and grey over black molded diamond.
Neutral but also not mono-tone

Show me where you've found Molded diamond in two tone. The only two tone I've seen is cut diamond that the guys above said wasn't as durable...

[JoeZ]

Hello, I'm Joe Zammataro and I own SeaDooForum and PWCMuscle.com. Just send us a note requesting the molded diamond and we'll get it done for you. We don't have it as an option because the complexity it adds to the website (changes available colors), but we certainly can get it.

Let me know if you have any questions/problems. Feel free to call. 888-605-2335

[Rakkasan]

Hello, I'm Joe Zammataro and I own SeaDooForum and PWCMuscle.com. Just send us a note requesting the molded diamond and we'll get it done for you. We don't have it as an option because the complexity it adds to the website (changes available colors), but we certainly can get it.

Let me know if you have any questions/problems. Feel free to call. 888-605-2335

Good to see that different forums can help each other out.

Trayson, I don't know if it's true but during my research into first getting the Hyrdo it seemed a lot of people were saying that the Two Toned Hydro had a tendency to separate between the colors.
Just a heads up might want to verify that.

[trayson]

Hello, I'm Joe Zammataro and I own SeaDooForum and PWCMuscle.com. Just send us a note requesting the molded diamond and we'll get it done for you. We don't have it as an option because the complexity it adds to the website (changes available colors), but we certainly can get it.

Let me know if you have any questions/problems. Feel free to call. 888-605-2335

Fantastic. I think that your presence here is a great thing. There are a lot of us wakeboard boat owners that are looking for better solutions than carpet. And our boats are BIGGER (mine's 23') so we'll buy more of your sheets. :-D


Good to see that different forums can help each other out.

Trayson, I don't know if it's true but during my research into first getting the Hyrdo it seemed a lot of people were saying that the Two Toned Hydro had a tendency to separate between the colors.
Just a heads up might want to verify that.

I can see how that would be a concern, since they are two colors undoubtedly laminated together. As bling as the 2 tone would be, probably wise to stay molded.

[Rakkasan]

Yeah I was pretty bummed. Think the two toned would have looked real nice just wasn't going to risk it.

[trayson]

I used the Royal Blue molded on my swim platform.

It's close to the same as my Brittany blue of my hull, but not perfect. it's a touch lighter, especially in the sun.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MIlwyude7PY/VE8KJstTAiI/AAAAAAAAUvk/BtfCgLiRgms/s800/20141027_201259.jpg

However, sometimes it's hard to really tell the difference. (this was a pic before I rounded to corners on my platform)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F37_WAybfjM/VEVgRAv2_nI/AAAAAAAAUtc/vQIVoFiaLls/s800/GOPR1280.JPG

I'm trying to decide what color I'd go with if I did the hydroturf for the main section of my carpeting. My plan would be to replace just the MAIN carpet and not do the bottom of the rear seat or the inserts where the speakers/cupholders are. Just the visible and easily accessible stuff to start. Eventually maybe move on to the bottoms of the storage lockers, but start with just the floor.

I have thought about the Royal Blue, light gray and Dark gray. I'm thinking that if I went gray then whatever was a closer match to my gray carpet and upholstery would be best.

Another shot of my interior. What color do you guys think I should go with for the main floor if I did hydroturf?
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1MHwu-mqnbg/VEVg0OSnJCI/AAAAAAAAUtc/BeFe9meOR-Q/s800/GOPR1322.JPG

[bergermaister]

You only get dizzy if you look at it.


http://hydroturf.com/images/swatches/new/40_62_sheets_pwc/large/Royal_Marble.jpg

[trayson]

You only get dizzy if you look at it.


http://hydroturf.com/images/swatches/new/40_62_sheets_pwc/large/Royal_Marble.jpg

Never. I personally do NOT like the camo or the marble at all. Not on the table.

[JoeZ]

Fantastic. I think that your presence here is a great thing. There are a lot of us wakeboard boat owners that are looking for better solutions than carpet.
We've had quite a few Moomba owners buy through us, and I originally came on here to try to see if I could build a custom pattern for you all. Syncing up with an owner living in Tampa proved difficult, but I'm still game to try if anyone is interested.


I can see how that would be a concern, since they are two colors undoubtedly laminated together. As bling as the 2 tone would be, probably wise to stay molded.
They use to have delamination issues in the past but all two-toned are now a single piece construction. There isn't any lamination anymore and instead it is a solid piece of material that has a top color and bottom color. Make sense?

[parrothd]

Sure be nice if we could get moomba lettering or the moomba roo logo cut outs like the seadoo. I was going to try cutting it by hand but it's really needs to cut on a machine..

[parrothd]

Instead of hydro-turf lettering, moomba..

http://hydroturf.com/images/sd02.jpg

[trayson]

They use to have delamination issues in the past but all two-toned are now a single piece construction. There isn't any lamination anymore and instead it is a solid piece of material that has a top color and bottom color. Make sense?

Joe, how would you respond to the concerns about the cut offerings being less durable than the moulded. Did you see the concerns expressed in this thread that the Cut won't last and therefore wouldn't be the best option for people that want it to last for years and years???

I love the look of the two tone, but think that moulded might be wiser.

[trayson]

Joe, what would your pricing be on three sheets of the following in Dark Gray? And how much for shipping to 98685?


From the Hydroturf website:

PWC + Boating 37" x 58" Molded Diamond "B" Stock
Part Number: SHT40MDB
"B" Stock sheets of our most aggressive and durable material 6mm (1/4"). Sheets have air bubbles, holes and variation in the surface appearance. These are natural occurrences in molded EVA sheets and do not effect the performance or durability. Sheet size can vary from 40"x 62" to 37"x 58". Available in: Black, White, Gray, Dk.Gray, Royal Blue, Red & Lime Green. Add 3M self-adhesive for $30.

Price $40.00

[trayson]

I just got off the phone with Joe of PWC Muscle. So I guess the molded is made by pressing the pattern into the sheets with heat. Hydroturf has b-stock of that on their website for a pretty good value. I used the B-stock for my swim platform and I couldn't tell anything was "imperfect" with it.

Hydroturf has that stuff for $40 a sheet and Joe will extend a forum discount of the 15% and shipping is less than 1/2 of what hydroturf would have changed.

So my big decision is whether to go with the PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) or to just use the Good old fashioned contact Cement that ParrotHD recommened and I used on my swim platform. The contact cement I used before is:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006MUPXY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.dap.com/images/products/253162.jpg


So PSA adds $30 a sheet.... Is it REALLY worth it over the contact cement?

[sivs1]

nothing beats contact cement, plus will save you some $$$$ to use for other mods.

[jstenger]

Instead of hydro-turf lettering, moomba..

http://hydroturf.com/images/sd02.jpg
I used to have that same boat with the same Hydroturf kit. The kit fit perfect. I paid extra for the self adheisive kit. I think it was well worth it.

[trayson]

nothing beats contact cement, plus will save you some $$$$ to use for other mods.

I like the way you think!

[gregski]

So my big decision is whether to go with the PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) or to just use the Good old fashioned contact Cement that ParrotHD recommened and I used on my swim platform.
Contact cement is a type of pressure sensitive adhesive but it requires less pressure than regular PSAs to activate. PSAs are used to apply thin veneers but you can't use a J-roller with PSA like you do with contact cement because it doesn't generate enough pressure. So I would seriously doubt that you could actually generate enough pressure through a product like hydroturf to fully activate a PSA. (I think you'd have to beat on it with a hammer - yikes!) I would use contact cement.

[parrothd]

I had that seadoo and a seadoo challenger 1800 both with hydro. Fun boats, sucked for pulling anything..

I'd go with the PSA stuff, much easier to install and no spill worries. Wet know Tryson likes complicated and difficult installs so he'll go the messy route.. Lol..

[jstenger]

I had that seadoo and a seadoo challenger 1800 both with hydro. Fun boats, sucked for pulling anything..

I'd go with the PSA stuff, much easier to install and no spill worries. Wet know Tryson likes complicated and difficult installs so he'll go the messy route.. Lol..
Anything except tubes.

[trayson]

Might think about going ahead and replacing your steering cable while you have it all apart- if you haven't done this job already.

Made some calls and got some part #'s and pricing info on the steering cable for my XLV. Documented that info here:
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?25710-Here-are-my-Steering-Cable-part-numbers-and-pricing-info-(documenting-my-research)&p=260320#post260320

I'd imagine it'll help others that want to save a few bucks by ordering one online.

[5:00]

Has anyone looked at using snaps to put in Turf like you would carpet or is that out of the question with something more delicate than carpet? It would be nice to remove to clean when needed.

[trayson]

Has anyone looked at using snaps to put in Turf like you would carpet or is that out of the question with something more delicate than carpet? It would be nice to remove to clean when needed.

I just talked to Joe at PWC Muscle and he said that it would have a very strong likelihood of tearing with the closed cell foam hydroturf. They don't recommend that and he doesn't think it'd work.

Personally, I don't think cleaning it in the boat would be all that difficult. I guess I'll find out. I'll be placing my order for some sheets of the molded dark gray in the diamond cut today.

[viking]

Has anyone looked at using snaps to put in Turf like you would carpet or is that out of the question with something more delicate than carpet? It would be nice to remove to clean when needed.

If you haven't already I would look at Deckadence or "miners moss" for a floor removable solution and won't get matted and dirty like carpet. Do a search as there is a member on here that did miners moss which is a less expensive option than deckadence and seems to work well & Dont need snaps with that

[parrothd]

Cleaning is easy, power wash everything into the bilge. You don't need to do anything else.

[5:00]

Cleaning is easy, power wash everything into the bilge. You don't need to do anything else.

You have to be a bit careful with that. I have the diamond cut Hydro Turf on my Yamaha SuperJet and I pressure washed it. I now have permanent marks from where the jet of water hit it. Maybe I need to use a lighter tip and farther back. Maybe not such a problem with the molded?

[5:00]

I just talked to Joe at PWC Muscle and he said that it would have a very strong likelihood of tearing with the closed cell foam hydroturf. They don't recommend that and he doesn't think it'd work.

That all makes sense. You can rip a sheet of it not installed but a whole different story when it is installed.

[parrothd]

Don't get so close with the sprayer.. The car wash ones are really powerful..

[5:00]

Mine was a straight up gas powered pressure washer. For as old as the Turf is it held up surprisingly well.

[trayson]

I just placed my order with PWC Muscle. he gave me the 15% off and ordered me the dark gray molded diamond sheets. I got 1 sheet to put on the bottom of my rear lockers (it might not have complete coverage, but should get most of it). the other 3 sheets will be for my floor. I'm sure I'll have some extra to devote to a bow and gunwale steps.

Good times!

[Rakkasan]

With the temps in the 70s the boat came back out to finish what I started. Torn into the real lockers yesterday to complete my flooring project.

Saddest part of the day was when my son came out and saw the boat hooked up and asked " Are we going to the LAKE TODAY!!" And I had to say no but soon....

[trayson]

I have my two big floor panels covered and the cooler door hole cut and door covered. I am putting off my rear lockers and focusing on the things I need to do that will get me back on the water soonest.

[kaneboats]

I finished my floor project with the hydroturf. It took a while to learn the nuances of putting it down with respect to the cut groove I wanted to use. Yes, you can bend and pull but if your lines are all off it makes for a poor looking job. On the bright side, vertical seams are virtually invisible if you plan well and keep them small. Here's a couple pics of my completed work. I would not have gone with swamp camo but it matched far better than everything else to my hull and interior colors. Now that it's done I'm really happy and satisfied with it. It is not just a maintenance thing-- it feels like a true upgrade from the matted down, tired carpet. Please PM me if you have any questions or need any advice.

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[newty]

Kane, that looks great! Nice work.

[trayson]

Nice job man. I'm almost done with mine. All my pieces are covered. I just have the one big panel left to put back in the boat. My pieces are BIG, but they go from seat base to seat base. I only had one seam that will be visible and even that will be mostly covered by the rear bench seat and the cooler that's under the port seat.

Here's some progress now that it's looking presentable:

(since the driver's floor is at a different level, I was okay with it having the pattern going the other way)

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As you can tell by the subwoofer panel and the driver's cupholder, the dark gray molded hydroturf was a great match for the gray carpet in my XLV.

I ordered 4 sheets and will have enough left over to do gunwale step pads, and the rear locker bottoms, and a pad to step on at the bow. Total cost for my 4 sheets of B-stock molded was $168 shipped with the discount from PWC Muscle. The b-stock was way cheap and the blems aren't noticeable.

[motosno963]

how many sheets would you think you would need for the outback floor?

[kaneboats]

I bought 3 but could have done the LSV with just 2 and some better planning.

[parrothd]

Looks great! I've always run the groves side to side instead of forward to back, I don't have the patience to get it all straight..

[mmandley]

Looks great Pat

[kaneboats]

Thanks, guys. I admit I screwed up a few pieces at the start and ended up ripping it out. The panels and ski locker door are not lined up with the center line of the hull. I had to find a center line and kind of work out from the middle to get the lines to look right in the boat. Took patience. And beer. Yes, beer was the key.

[Andy Digital]

Awesome job on the new floor, definitely an upgrade .



I finished my floor project with the hydroturf. It took a while to learn the nuances of putting it down with respect to the cut groove I wanted to use. Yes, you can bend and pull but if your lines are all off it makes for a poor looking job. On the bright side, vertical seams are virtually invisible if you plan well and keep them small. Here's a couple pics of my completed work. I would not have gone with swamp camo but it matched far better than everything else to my hull and interior colors. Now that it's done I'm really happy and satisfied with it. It is not just a maintenance thing-- it feels like a true upgrade from the matted down, tired carpet. Please PM me if you have any questions or need any advice.

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[Rakkasan]

Looking good guys. Guess I caused a lot of extra work this off season

[trayson]

Looking good guys. Guess I caused a lot of extra work this off season
the tips were helpful. specifically treating it like carpet and wrapping it around the sides.

[MoombaPat]

What size sheets did you buy to start with?


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[trayson]

What size sheets did you buy to start with?


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I don't know if you're asking me or Kane. But I can speak to my experience.

I went with the molded diamond b-stock. the b-stock is way cheaper and the imperfections are really, really minor and not a concern for me. I got 4 sheets. they could only guarantee that the sheets would be at least 37x58 but could be as much as 40x62. I think I got all 4 sheets the max dimensions (I had them put in a request to get the bigger size). For me, that worked out perfect as I was able to use the long dimension to totally cover the width of my floor panels. On my XLV, my panels go from seat base to seat base, which is really nice. I used the piece I cut out where the driver's seat is to cover the driver's feet floor. I used a hole 2nd piece on most of the gas tank cover (including the part that goes out where the underseat cooler goes). I used much of a 3rd piece to do the two little spots around the v-drive and the rest of the underseat cooler section.

I was able to keep enough of the long dimensions of the last sheet to be able to use it to supplement the rear lockers. my lockers are the same level as my floor all the way up under the seats. so I just have to choose how far I want the turf to go and where I want the carpet to start. I'm going to cut a sheet in 1/2 so I have two 20" long strips that will cover the locker floor from the HDPE engine divider to partway into the step where the locker floor is higher next to the gunwale. I'll use the residual from the 3rd sheet that did around the v-drive to do that stepped up portion of the locker. I was also able to salvage a couple longer strips from the 1st and 2nd sheet to make around 4" wide gunwale steps so I can remove the Moomba etched grip tape that doesn't feel good on the knees.

I also had enough to add a section under the driver's seat on that fiberglass. I used a separate square to do the cooler lid because I covered the whole floor panel and then later cut out the hole. I'll likewise have enough extra to make up some kind of bow step for getting in/out of the bow at the dock.

Sheets of the b-stock cost $40 each, but PWC muscle gives 15% off, and then there was shipping that was more or less reasonable. so $40 x 4 sheets, less 15% discount = $136 so shipping must have been about $32 for a total of $168 all in.

I used contact cement so I have the cost of a couple cans of that (I'd already used part of one can on my swim platform). I also ended up using up the rest of my 3m Super 90 spray adhesive. As good as the contact cement can be, sometimes it just didn't stick enough for me. I actually had one hell of a time getting everything to stick as I would have liked. I can't imagine that the 3m adhesive would have stuck any better. I wasn't willing to add $30 a sheet for that.

[trayson]

Floor is back in! Yahoo!

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[bergermaister]

Looks sparkly

[mikenehrkorn]

Looks great!!

[parrothd]

Nice........

[smorris7]

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[parrothd]

Nice.. Getting ready for hydro and fixing some upholstery..

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[parrothd]

That looks really great.. Nice lines .

[Rakkasan]

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That looks awesome on the smooth white floor. ��

[spyder]

Nice.. Getting ready for hydro and fixing some upholstery..

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Can't wait to see the lattice fence mod on that Moomba ;)

[parrothd]

And built in table..

BTW, think you and I have the same issue with moomba crappy build quality and poor inspection..

I have to "fix" these rather large gaps in my floor.. The more I work on this moomba I less faith I have in moomba, can't believe this was sent out..

[gregski]

And built in table..

BTW, think you and I have the same issue with moomba crappy build quality and poor inspection..

I have to "fix" these rather large gaps in my floor.. The more I work on this moomba I less faith I have in moomba, can't believe this was sent out..

1" does seem like a big gap. Did you notice it with the carpet installed? Maybe that amount of gap is designed in to allow the carpet to wrap around? Maybe it's supposed to be 1/4" on each end and 1/2" in the middle, but it all ended up in the middle?

[parrothd]

They half installed the bracket but left the top screws out. They did leave the screws near the bracket(s) so I guess they were planning on installing them.

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[spyder]

And built in table..

BTW, think you and I have the same issue with moomba crappy build quality and poor inspection..

I have to "fix" these rather large gaps in my floor.. The more I work on this moomba I less faith I have in moomba, can't believe this was sent out..

Agree. I wouldn't and couldn't buy another based on the build quality of mine. It feels worse off then a prototype build that was pieced together by hand.

I understand with the lower price point of Moomba some sacrifice is expected. But this is far beyond acceptable.

[Beejwest]

This thread has sealed it. I want Hydroturf. Hate the carpet, all of it. I've already done my lockers with roll in bedliner, here is the write up on that if you're curious; https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?24692-No-more-wet-lockers

So just to do the interior and cockpit floors, not the rear bench or cupholder areas, how many sheets of the diamond stuff do I need to order? I like the color Trayson used, as my carpet is that Moomba grey too. The grey Hydro should look perfect. And can someone throw up the link to the site again to the sheets of turf?

[parrothd]

The gap was there with the carpet, maybe it wasn't that bad when it was brand new..

You can tell when they glued the floor panels together it's offset by 1/2in so there's large gaps and it's not square. I'm not positive but there's also a huge crack that I'm trying to ignore, it may be from my ballast bag but I'm leaning towards build quality..

[wolfeman131]

They half installed the bracket but left the top screws out. They did leave the screws near the bracket(s) so I guess they were planning on installing them.


Did you buy this boat new?

[parrothd]

No, picked it up last year, when I removed captains(I highly doubt someone was in there) seat to install the heater is when I first noticed the missing bolts..

[spyder]

No, picked it up last year, when I removed captains(I highly doubt someone was in there) seat to install the heater is when I first noticed the missing bolts..

Mines an 06. I got it in 08. I doubt original owner have a need to mess around within the first 2 years of ownership. Issues all over. I mean mechanically it's been great. Just the finish and fit has been a let down.

[996scott]

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That really looks sweet. Maybe it is my eyes but is the one section installed in the wrong direction?

[smorris7]

That really looks sweet. Maybe it is my eyes but is the one section installed in the wrong direction?

Dangit! You were not supposed to bring that up. Yes it is. I didn't notice it until it was to late. And I did not have enough material left to correct. I suppose I'll fix it at some point. Going to give it some time to see what kind of wear we get from the Hydro. My wife thought I was just trying to break up the pattern....:(

[parrothd]

I think it looks better, breaks it up otherwise it's one long continuous line..

[bergermaister]

I'd say that is by design - braille system to help you find your way back to the driver's seat after the booze cruise or when it's REALLY dark.

[996scott]

So did you cut all of those pieces by hand or did you have someone do it? And what did you replace, carpet? Really looks great. I wish I had white floors under my carpet and I would do that in a heart beat.

[Rakkasan]

Well after putting down two coats of bed liner in the rear lockers I didn't like how it looked with all weird dents and bumps on the floor. So I just used the rest of my hydro and put a strip in the middle to kind of break it up. All most done just need some trim and after putting the engine doors back in I'll be all done and ready for the season.

[csm]

smorris - I vote leave it as is. I think it looks great, and agree that it breaks up the pattern nicely.

Any feedback on if the hydroturf gets hot? My grey carpet gets super hot in the summers, so i would look into this if it doesn't.

[smorris7]

So did you cut all of those pieces by hand or did you have someone do it? And what did you replace, carpet? Really looks great. I wish I had white floors under my carpet and I would do that in a heart beat.

Replaced my snap in carpet. Yes, I cut each piece with an exacto knife. Made my patterns out of white banner paper. Thanks

[trayson]

This thread has sealed it. I want Hydroturf. Hate the carpet, all of it. I've already done my lockers with roll in bedliner, here is the write up on that if you're curious; https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?24692-No-more-wet-lockers

So just to do the interior and cockpit floors, not the rear bench or cupholder areas, how many sheets of the diamond stuff do I need to order? I like the color Trayson used, as my carpet is that Moomba grey too. The grey Hydro should look perfect. And can someone throw up the link to the site again to the sheets of turf?

www.pwcmuscle.com probably going to have to talk to Derek if you want the b-stock diamond molded like I used. ask for the 15% discount.

I don't know how many sheets. I used less because I have a playpen bow. I have only used 3 so far to do my boat. But I ordered 4 as I'm going to do a little more.

I was lucky and able to get the full 40" x 62" on my sheets. Do you measurements and take into consideration the extra you'll need to wrap around the side and bottoms of the panels.

[smorris7]

smorris - I vote leave it as is. I think it looks great, and agree that it breaks up the pattern nicely.

Any feedback on if the hydroturf gets hot? My grey carpet gets super hot in the summers, so i would look into this if it doesn't.

My carpet got hot also. Don't think the hydro will be as bad. I'll let you know come July! I know the Sea Deck doesn't really get hot so I would assume Hydro is the same.

[parrothd]

I don't remember it getting hot, warm yes, I've always had black hydro so the Grey should be fine..

[Rakkasan]

Well all done. Pretty happy with the results. As for those asking if it gets hot well.... YES IT DOES. I've been in the boat all day finishing up the hydro, 89degrees, full sun, and no clouds. I stopped for lunch and went back out to finish up and couldn't tell which was hotter the vinyl or the hydro. Tip toe hot.

I can imagine however if you were jumping in and out of the water than it should be ok.

[Beejwest]

Just sent in my order with Joe. Super excited to get crackin!

[viking]

As for those asking if it gets hot well.... YES IT DOES.

I think that is where DECKadence or miners moss is really beneficial. I don't think it holds the heat as much being weaved mesh? I do like the looks of the hydro, seadek, softgrip floors though. Nice and clean installs. You guys need to report back in a year or 2 on how they hold up.

[parrothd]

Mine came in today..

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[valleywine]

That really looks sweet. Maybe it is my eyes but is the one section installed in the wrong direction?

I'd tell everyone you installed that section in that direction so the water flows to the center, then back towards the rear. Looks awesome!

[spyder]

Well all done. Pretty happy with the results. As for those asking if it gets hot well.... YES IT DOES. I've been in the boat all day finishing up the hydro, 89degrees, full sun, and no clouds. I stopped for lunch and went back out to finish up and couldn't tell which was hotter the vinyl or the hydro. Tip toe hot.

I can imagine however if you were jumping in and out of the water than it should be ok.

i like the look of that in the rear..

anyone have a source for Canadian purchases?

[spyder]

Well after putting down two coats of bed liner in the rear lockers I didn't like how it looked with all weird dents and bumps on the floor. So I just used the rest of my hydro and put a strip in the middle to kind of break it up. All most done just need some trim and after putting the engine doors back in I'll be all done and ready for the season.

what did you use where the carpet meets the hydroturf? that black seal looking stuff

also, does anyone have dimensions of the rear storage lockers off hand? just approximate? length and width for ordering sheets of hydroturf.

[Rakkasan]

what did you use where the carpet meets the hydroturf? that black seal looking stuff

also, does anyone have dimensions of the rear storage lockers off hand? just approximate? length and width for ordering sheets of hydroturf.

I had the bed liner on the bottom and cut up two inches on the sides so the water could move out and not soak the carpet on the sides. That's the black you see on the first pics. When I put down the hydro I added a two inch strip of molded diamond on the sides just to tie it all togeather.

The size of the lockers are approx 50" long and 26" wide.

[spyder]

I had the bed liner on the bottom and cut up two inches on the sides so the water could move out and not soak the carpet on the sides. That's the black you see on the first pics. When I put down the hydro I added a two inch strip of molded diamond on the sides just to tie it all togeather.

The size of the lockers are approx 50" long and 26" wide.

ahh ok, i see now what you did.. thanks for the response! how did you glue it down? and do you think it will stop water from getting below the hydroturf and getting mouldy?

[Rakkasan]

The HydroTurf had the 3M adhesive backing and I don't think water will be able to get underneath it. The only place it might will be between the joining sheets but the hydro doesn't hold water so it should just run out into the bilge.

[New Guy]

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Shane are you able to snap your carpet over the top? I thought about doing this but leave the snaps out for when I want to put the carpet in.

I could see leaving the carpet out when we are out on wakeboard nights but through it in on the cruising weekends.

[spyder]

By the way. Anyone in Canada. I got quoted about $70 Cad per 40x62 sheet. Plus shipping.

[mbusch5]

Well after putting down two coats of bed liner in the rear lockers I didn't like how it looked with all weird dents and bumps on the floor. So I just used the rest of my hydro and put a strip in the middle to kind of break it up. All most done just need some trim and after putting the engine doors back in I'll be all done and ready for the season.

Rakkasan, nice job. Looks good. I'm thinking about doing this as well since I get a bunch of water under the rubber mat that the factory puts in and it takes weeks to completely dry out. We're you able to determine where the water is coming from? I thought it was coming in around the thru hulls when I am listed so I put a ring of silicone to seal it up, but I still get some water...not as much. I also crossed my event lines thinking it was going back in the bag and pushed out through the threads on the bag. I get water is going to happen, it just seems like it's more than what should be expected.

[Rakkasan]

Rakkasan, nice job. Looks good. I'm thinking about doing this as well since I get a bunch of water under the rubber mat that the factory puts in and it takes weeks to completely dry out. We're you able to determine where the water is coming from? I thought it was coming in around the thru hulls when I am listed so I put a ring of silicone to seal it up, but I still get some water...not as much. I also crossed my event lines thinking it was going back in the bag and pushed out through the threads on the bag. I get water is going to happen, it just seems like it's more than what should be expected.

Thank you Sir. My water came from a leak in the ballast fill lines. Other than that I get a lot from people climbing in and out and throwing equipment around.

[smorris7]

Shane are you able to snap your carpet over the top? I thought about doing this but leave the snaps out for when I want to put the carpet in.

I could see leaving the carpet out when we are out on wakeboard nights but through it in on the cruising weekends.

I probably could but I would need to reinstall my snaps. Really don't see the need as the hydro is softer than the carpet.


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[New Guy]

Reason why is my $900 carpet that I ordered with the boat :p

[smorris7]

Reason why is my $900 carpet that I ordered with the boat :p

Hard to justify replacing that. Must be the logo carpet. I probably would not have gone to the hydro if I had that. Just tired of the carpet staying wet and having to take it out and dry it. Plus the standard grey carpet doesn't hold up like the heavier logo carpet.


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[New Guy]

Yeah it is the logo carpet and I love the way it looks when it is in but when I go out with the guys wakeboarding we don't care what the floor looks like. I thought about miners moss or to drop in or hydroturf when not using the carpet. It still holds water for what seems like forever. I shampoo it with a carpet cleaner twice a year which will get old quick.

[parrothd]

So the gaps weren't a big issue, I added a second layer of hydro to close the gaps and make it fit tight..

Still need to shim..

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[Rakkasan]

Looking good. Did you just add and extra strip on the edges and the "layer" the hydro on top?

[parrothd]

Yep.......

Cut lots of small hydro pieces and used them to set the gaps, one long 1in strip on the side, and one the center panel. Ran the final hydro right over top..

[parrothd]

Heat gun really helps, if you heat the back(or front, but backside warms the glue) it molds easily and helps it stick.

[Rakkasan]

Heat gun really helps, if you heat the back(or front, but backside warms the glue) it molds easily and helps it stick.

That's really the key to it. To everyone doing this don't start cutting and laying the Hydroturf if you don't have a heat gun.

[parrothd]

Pretty much done, had to replace the side trim, installed a new latch for the ski locker and made some step pads..

I think the cut groove is the easiest to work with with, the molded diamond feels a little harder on the feet and its harder to seam, but does look nicer.



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[spyder]

Did you screw the gas tank covers down. Or just set in place.

[parrothd]

I'm planning to drill new ones, the originals are stripped..

[spyder]

I'm planning to drill new ones, the originals are stripped..

Same. Terrible design.

[trayson]

Same. Terrible design.

On my XLV, my covers are screwed in from the sides. From the inside of the underseat lockers into the panel.

[spyder]

On my XLV, my covers are screwed in from the sides. From the inside of the underseat lockers into the panel.

Either way using a screw into fibreglass sucks. Will just wear out and strip. Should be a more permanent reusable method to secure it.

[bergermaister]

Pretty much done, had to replace the side trim,

Mind sharing what you used and where it came from? I'm in need. Floor looks good BTW.

[parrothd]

Mind sharing what you used and where it came from? I'm in need. Floor looks good BTW.

It was actually pretty hard to find and isn't cheap....I needed 30ft...

http://greatlakesskipper.com/standard-1-3-8-x-1-8-inch-black-flex-pvc-boat-rub-rail-table-trim-molding-10-ft?___SID=U

[spyder]

how far did you tuck the hydroturf under the seats/moulding? i'm not sure if i'm describing this right.

[Rakkasan]

how far did you tuck the hydroturf under the seats/moulding? i'm not sure if i'm describing this right.

I tucked it under just far enough so when you let the seat bases down it sat on a "lip" of turf. So maybe 1/2 inch.

[spyder]

I tucked it under just far enough so when you let the seat bases down it sat on a "lip" of turf. So maybe 1/2 inch.

Does anyone have photos of under the seats? did you just leave it as bare fibreglass?

[Rakkasan]

I left the carpet under all the seats. Water never really got under there, the molding helps keep it out. I can get you a pit but won't be till tomorrow.

[parrothd]

Does anyone have photos of under the seats? did you just leave it as bare fibreglass?

I wasn't able to lift mine, but I didn't investigate much. I removed the bracket screws(those that were installed) but still couldn't lift to make any room. The trim came off with the carpet, it wasn't sticking very well anymore so I replaced it.

I installed the hydro like carpet, stuck it down, used a hook knife/scraper to push the excess into the corner. Then trimmed off the excess leaving 1/4(or so) extra. Then used the hook knife to push it under. Since I was replacing the trim I could cheat and leave 1/8 gap around the sides instead of tucking it under. The gap is covered by the new trim. If you can raise the seats that would make it easier...

[parrothd]

I guess my carpet was really nasty, couldn't leave any of it.

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[Rakkasan]

How did you remove the panels? I tried but gave up after my knuckles started bleeding on both hands. Also couldn't even figure out the cup holders by the drivers seat.

[parrothd]

The cup holders just pull out, they may be a tight fit, I wasn't saving mine so I broke 1 or 2 prying them out. The stainless cup holders are $7 on amazon.

The captains cup holder section there's 2 screws under the removable cup holders.

The front side panels remove the speakers, I think it's a 7/16 socket. There's bolts to remove the handles, you may have to loosen the upholstery bolts to get it to slide out.

The rear ones are the same except there's to screws in the sides..

[parrothd]

You may have to reach up from underneath or thru the speaker holes to reach the bolts, you will cut up your hands arms getting to them..

[Beejwest]

How clean did y'all get your floor before laying the 'turf? On the locker panels and floor panels over the gas tanks, I've pulled them and cleaned and prepped with Xylene. They are absolutely spotless. I have razor scraped the floor elsewhere but there is still bits of glue here and there. I will not use xylene in the boat becauese it eats fiberglass resin. I'd rather not deal with googone or anything else because of the residue it leaves. How much prep do I need here? Obviously prep work is key but....

[Beejwest]

Should mention for the first time, time is now a factor. We put our house on the market and I'm swamped!!!

[Rakkasan]

I got the floor just as clean as the panels over the tank. No glue remains. Was it necessary,probably. I've done to many projects where bad prep came back and bit me so I'm kinda OCD when it comes come to that. I guess it would depend on if you had the 3M backed sheets or if you're using contact cement as well. I think the contact cement would be more forgiving.

[parrothd]

Once you scrape the glue off and vacuum I wipe the section I'm working on with brake cleaner. Makes it sick really really well, I had to pull a section up and it was really on there.

[Beejwest]

OK awesome! Just hate googone slimy residue. I'll use brake cleaner sparingly. I preppped the hell out of my lockers when I did bedliner. Have had no issues there. I will just have to find time to do this right. Buying and selling a house is crazy work, but it puts me 4 minutes from the launch 8)

[parrothd]

I use a paint scraper, razor scraper and die grinder with this attachment. Doesn't need to be spotless, just smooth and glue mostly removed. It doesn't stick well.
The razor scraper worked the best..

[Beejwest]

Getting closer to finishing this thing. Got all the prep done, floor is clean as a whistle. Cut the turf for the locker door, and floor panels. Basically have almost two full sheets left. In trying to lay out the rest of the boat, I'm coming up with more seams than I would like. I'll have one on each side of the forward gas tank panel, but they're short, so won't be noticeable. I'll also probably have one on each side of the ski locker door, but again, they'll be so small they won't show. The problem is, I'll need another seam somewhere. It's looking like across the cockpit from the corner of the driver's seat mount to the corner of the console. Any other better places to put it?

[parrothd]

If you cut it right the excess will lay flat and end up inside the console, with the seam running from mid center of the seat to parallel to the locker..

[parrothd]

I redid the ski locker seem, the other is near the drivers feet..

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[Beejwest]

Awesome! Thanks! Had to split for work....again.....so I can't finish until Tuesday. Hope to get out for the first time Wednesday! Work would be awesome if I didn't have to go so often. Just sayin'.

[Beejwest]

Getting close! Turf is all laid. Just gotta clean up and install brackets/seats. Pics to follow soon.

[Beejwest]

Done! Finally! Total time estimated at 26 hours give or take some beer breaks. Really happy with the results with the exception of the front seam, which aligned perfectly but was curved. I decided to try to fix it and made it worse. Woe is me. I will just order another roll this summer and do the swim deck and fix that seam. Otherwise the results are awesome! Not gonna be missing that carpet. The only place I have carpet left is in the under-seat storage areas.

The only differences in previous write ups are fairly minor. I used floor jacks under the seats to help jack up the seats after I pulled up the brackets. I used a 2x6 across the under side of where the seats sit, and then put the jack against that and VERY CAREFULLY jacked it up until I had room to scrape glue/work under the seats. I only left each section up long enough to due what I needed and then I released pressure. I was uber careful not to jack so much that it cracked anything anywere.

The other main difference was on the gas tank covers. I couldn't make the hydro stick to itself to help close the gap. So, I bought a piece of birch plywood 1/4" and cut it into 1 1/2" strips. I attached those all around the edges of the covers by using sheet metal screws 3 per side. Then I just put the Hydro right over the strips. The hydro is about 1/4" thick so with the two pieces of hydro and the piece of plywood, it added about 3/4" all the way around the locker. Fit was spot on, no gaps. I did have to cut out the plywood for a 5" section on the back cover where it was a bit thick but other than that, it's tight enought I'm not going to bother screwing them down. Will the plywood get wet you ask? Probably. The turf seems to be mostly water proof, and any water dragged in should kind of flow down and away from the ply wood. If it does get wet and rot, it's not structural, and it can be easily replaced in about 30 minutes for a couple bucks. I played with the idea of using aluminum strips but it was gonna cost almost $50. I spent $6 instead.

I bought the PSA backed hydro because I didn't want to deal with spreading contact cement. I only used contact cement where I had to pull carpet just to glue the excess pieces back down.

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[spyder]

looks great! other than the Coors Light.

[kaneboats]

Looks great! Can't wait to get out and try mine out. So busy with soccer on the weekends we can't seem to get away. Some very good weather headed our way now though and spring season is winding down.

[Rakkasan]

Looks good!!! One question. Why did you have two seams up front?

[newty]

looks great! other than the Coors Light.
Gotta stay hydrated during projects like this. ;)
And somewhat sober...
Looks great man!

[parrothd]

Lol.. We both tried seaming there.. I ended up redoing it and moving it to the locker.

[Rakkasan]

I just had the seam at the front of the locker, but I also bought way more than I needed. Lots of recuts.

[parrothd]

I also replaced the toe breaker with a latch..

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[mmandley]

WOW looks awesome, I am glad I sold my LSV in the 3rd season before the carpet really went south.

I agree with your beverage choice.

Coors Light is my goto beer when I want a little refreshment, a little buzz, and not a lot of flavor to interrupt me LOL.

This is why its my Boat beer, and general party beer.

I drink a lot better stuff when I want to really sit back and enjoy my beer, not slam them LOL

[Beejwest]

Looks good!!! One question. Why did you have two seams up front?


Poor planning of course! I measured 3 times, added all my squre inches up, and ordered the turf accordingly. I never built a pattern until it occured to me that I may not have enough. I had plenty, just not enough to do it without seams. Seams where I didn't want them, lol!

Both my neighbors came by and were blown away with how good it looked. I started bitching about the seams and both questioned as to where. If they didn't notice, I don't feel too bad with how it looks!

Love me some Coors!

[Beejwest]

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Picture for effect with the LED's on...

[parrothd]

Nothing beats the Coors light twist off cans, no worries about river water getting mixed in..

[mmandley]

These are the 16oz twist tops you speak of.

Picking up a little boat beer.

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[moombadaze]

That turned out great

[wolfeman131]

That turned out great

The hydro turf or mandley's beer run?

[kaneboats]

LOL. Just got a whole "ice cube" rolling cooler of Coors Light stuff from our distributor. Everybody at our golf outing or our Octoberfest event is going to walk away with a coozie, a key chain and a mardi gras bead necklace with the Coors Light logo. Some lucky soul is going to win a cooler too.

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[mmandley]

LOL. Just got a whole "ice cube" rolling cooler of Coors Light stuff from our distributor. Everybody at our golf outing or our Octoberfest event is going to walk away with a coozie, a key chain and a mardi gras bead necklace with the Coors Light logo. Some lucky soul is going to win a cooler too.

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Sweet man!!

[996scott]

The project really turned out great. I will do this at some point down the road.

[viking]

These are the 16oz twist tops you speak of.

Picking up a little boat beer.

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that's for one weekend right? :)

[trayson]

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Looks just like mine. I have to say that the carpet on my rear bench was an instant eyesore. I'm most certainly going to do at least the face of the rear bench so it doesn't have carpet.

Something you might think about when you get that extra sheet....

[mmandley]

that's for one weekend right? :)

Maybe My brakes on the trailer did wear out so quickly because of my beer ballast..

[bergermaister]

That may take a long time to drain all that ballast Mike.... But I'm here to help.

[mmandley]

That may take a long time to drain all that ballast Mike.... But I'm here to help.

You know how we roll, we bring enough to share.

We try not to leave the lake with any more beer then needed. Sometimes its a real struggle...to keep Claudia out that late LOL

[viking]

let's meet up around idaho or flathead lake and I'll help you reduce the ballast over a weekend!
Oh WAIT..............The back of my truck looks the same?

[xBabyJesus]

Any opinions on dark grey vs light grey for wear or keeping clean? Or heat?

[trayson]

Any opinions on dark grey vs light grey for wear or keeping clean? Or heat?

Dark gray matches the carpet perfectly. in 80 degree sun, it was certainly warm on the feet, but manageable. When I bled on it, the blood wiped off just fine. I tend to keep it clean by using the shop vac on it. the only time it's a bit of a pain is when crumbs of pringles chips get into the pattern, then get wet and don't get sucked up as easily with the shop vac. but a little pressure with the tip of the narrow shop vac nozzle usually does the truck.

Knowing what I know now, I'd still do with dark gray for the color match. I'll let you know what happens when we get hotter temps later this summer...

[parrothd]

Just in general dark colors show more dirt..

[Rakkasan]

This past weekend it was 90 here in Georgia and the heat was no problem. I originally thought it would be a problem because it got really hot in the driveway under direct sun but with climbing in and out tracking water everywhere and the Bimini in place it was a nonissue. Never once noticed it getting hot. I even put some on the bow, with direct sun and no water it was still comfortable to lay on as I pulled my anchor up.

[xBabyJesus]

What do y'all think about striping like this?
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[trayson]

I thought about going with a two-tone design, but I went with the molded (pressed) instead of the cut. so getting the 2 tone wasn't an option for me. I think if done right, it could be cool. That said, the molded is available in b-stock for way cheaper and is supposedly more durable, so I went that direction.

[spyder]

Stripes make me dizzy. Lol

[kaneboats]

I think it looks cool in the right application. I also agree with above that the molded diamond feels like the most durable. But, colors are limited. That striping looks pretty cool.

[xBabyJesus]

I thought about going with a two-tone design, but I went with the molded (pressed) instead of the cut. so getting the 2 tone wasn't an option for me. I think if done right, it could be cool. That said, the molded is available in b-stock for way cheaper and is supposedly more durable, so I went that direction.

Yeah I think i'm going b-stock too. Where did you put the seams in the XLV? I measured and I don't think a sheet will cover either of the removable floor panels.

[parrothd]

Just a FYI.. The groove stuff is way easier to seam, you can't see them..

[xBabyJesus]

Even seams that go across the grooves?

[kaneboats]

Ahhhh. Not exactly. It's a bit easier but no way to make invisible. Maybe with camo its a little easier?

[parrothd]

Across the groves?

Not sure what your asking, with the groove you seam it parallel with the grooves, not across them. I cut along the grove along the higher edge side, then cut the other side leaving a tongue peice. When you push them together the seam is invisible. Running the groves port to starboard is the easiest and there's no visible seams..

[kaneboats]

That's kinda what I did but you still end up with some end to end seams. I mostly hid mine and let the camo do the rest.

[valleywine]

I ran the grooves for to aft in hopes any water that gets in the boat will drain into the bilge quickly. The camo doesn't really hide the seems. It makes them a little more noticeable because you have a straight line at the seem where the pattern doesn't match up. Not a big deal in my mind.


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[lanceh]

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Corrosion on the floor panels. This is adding a lot of extra prep time to replacing carpet with molded diamond hydro.

Question when you guys that wrapped you floor panels.
Did you do any type of angle cuts in the turf at the corners of the floor panels? Or did you guys just wrap and use a heat gun.
What areas did spray adhesive work best and what areas did contact cement work best?

[lanceh]

Its a 2005 supra launch 21v

[parrothd]

You don't need to do much to those panels the turf will hide it. I use the PSA stick down version. I cut the hydro extra big, a few inches per side, line it up and stick the top and the sides. As you stick the sides it makes a triangle sticking out. With practice you trim the triangle out, and make a vertical butt joint, when you put the panel back in this seam will be hidden. Play with some scraps first.

[lanceh]

Any of you other boat owners seen that kind of corrosion on the aluminum panels? Its never been out of the midwest. I have owned it for 3 years always stored indoors. The previous owners stored winter indoors, and summers on a lift.

What products worked best on cleaning the old adhesive off of the fiberglass?

[parrothd]

I use scrapers, and a flat razor scraper followed up with brake cleaner

[parrothd]

And a die grinder with an abrasives wheel

[ninedriver]

These are the 16oz twist tops you speak of.

Picking up a little boat beer.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/Silver%20Bullet/IMAG0303_zpskvbdj49u.jpg (http://s639.photobucket.com/user/mmandley/media/Silver%20Bullet/IMAG0303_zpskvbdj49u.jpg.html)


Eastbound and down, loaded up and truckin...

Please tell me you have a CB radio in your truck and a flaming chicken decal on the hood.

[Patrick Sedlak]

Your floor looks great. The post says you did it in 2008, how has the product held up? Did you have to lift the seats and put the flooring under the seats? It looks like you put a trim piece around the base?

[txmxer]

I know this is an old thread but Im about to do this job and have questions, did you guys use hydroturf underpad or just the hydroturf itself? Any advice on the seems when connecting multiple mats?

[parrothd]

I know this is an old thread but Im about to do this job and have questions, did you guys use hydroturf underpad or just the hydroturf itself? Any advice on the seems when connecting multiple mats?

Nope, but it would make it softer, not sure thats worth the extra money. The grooved version can be easily seemed, buy the largest sheet possible to avoid seems. If you use the other patterns try to limit the seems to one near the bow or somewhere less noticeable.

[txmxer]

Nope, but it would make it softer, not sure thats worth the extra money. The grooved version can be easily seemed, buy the largest sheet possible to avoid seems. If you use the other patterns try to limit the seems to one near the bow or somewhere less noticeable.

Thank you for the reply, I went with the diamond since it is molded. I loved the long diamonds that was seen on the green moomba but it is the sup/surf category and may be soft and I didnt want to risk it. I did not order the underpad. Mine is actually going on a closed bow boat so hopefully it will end up being a clean job. Now to the fun part, scraping glue.

[txmxer]

28713I’m wondering (I’ve read this whole thread and searched) how in depth of a job did you guys do on removing the glue. Most of my boat it’s coming up easy but some places (especially underneath the carpeting on the sides) the glue is not going to want to come up. I can get the remnants of carpet off but feel I’m doing more harm on the fiberglass than I am the glue. Any thoughts?

[parrothd]

You want the floor flat and clean, you don't need to remove all the old adhesive if it's dry and the hydro sticks to it.

Also try some aceton or paint thinner.

[txmxer]

You want the floor flat and clean, you don't need to remove all the old adhesive if it's dry and the hydro sticks to it.

Also try some aceton or paint thinner.


The floor is smoothing out pretty well because it sat in the sun so long, the sides which I am doing with hydroturf too have been in the shade and all that glue is nice and strong still. I think im going to take an orbital sander to it carefully and really get all the glue off, then go through with acetone one time. Just need a respirator and all the local department stores are sold out, go figure.

[uga5]

Rakkasan (or anyone) -

I know this is an old thread, but hoping you may see this question...

Pulled out carpet from 06 LSV and unscrewed the aluminum L brackets that hold the seat bases to the floor all around the boat. It may sound crazy, but I could not lift any part of the fiberglass seat bases at all - not even a little bit. In my 06, it seems that seat bases, walls, gunnel, back transom, etc are all a continuous fiberglass. It seems like trying to lift any part would mean you practically have to lift the entire thing, gunnels and all.

Am I missing something obvious??

[trayson]

Rakkasan (or anyone) -

I know this is an old thread, but hoping you may see this question...

Pulled out carpet from 06 LSV and unscrewed the aluminum L brackets that hold the seat bases to the floor all around the boat. It may sound crazy, but I could not lift any part of the fiberglass seat bases at all - not even a little bit. In my 06, it seems that seat bases, walls, gunnel, back transom, etc are all a continuous fiberglass. It seems like trying to lift any part would mean you practically have to lift the entire thing, gunnels and all.

Am I missing something obvious??

My floors on my 08 XLV screwed in from the sides and the screws were horizontal and located inside the underseat lockers near the floor of the inside carpeted lockers.

[xwaveone]

I've been looking at this also for my Champion. Seadek looks to be the best stuff available, but is very expensive. Hyroturf seems to be the standard. Blacktip Jetsports makes a product just like Hydoturf. I have received samples of both and will probably use the Blacktip. shareit (https://get-shareit.com) vidmate app (https://get-vidmateapk.com/)

[Branden967]

Heads up if you go Seadek, I just sent my template in and they sound pretty back logged now. They quoted me 8 weeks to get it back, which means Im going to deal with the carpet one more summer....itll have to be a fall project for me.