Moomba Flow Surf Available for 2006 and Newer LSVs

[1danlay]

http://www.activeh2o.com/wordpress/moomba-flow-surf-now-available-on-2006-lsv-and-newer/

[jstenger]

Yeah, I was pretty pissed when my salesman told me this last Wednesday as I was picking up my new LSV.

[hgvandy]

Looking forward to installing this. Any idea how much it will cost to do the install yourself? $1,200 seems like a lot of money for a couple of metal plates.

[13mobiusLSV]

The question remains if it's better to go with the flow system or load up on the ballast?


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[Sharpshooter]

The question remains if it's better to go with the flow system or load up on the ballast?


2013 Moomba Mobius LSV
2003 Ebbtide Campioné 210
1969 Sea Ray SRV 170

Maybe mmandley will have an answer for that after his testing


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[13mobiusLSV]

Great, I've been reading everyone's thoughts thus far, ready to pull the trigger one way or another.


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1969 Sea Ray SRV 170

[1danlay]

Looking forward to installing this. Any idea how much it will cost to do the install yourself? $1,200 seems like a lot of money for a couple of metal plates.

Once you have the parts all you have to do is drill holes on the boat. Pretty easy DIY. Shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred $$ to have AWS do it.

[Boonejeepin]

The question remains if it's better to go with the flow system or load up on the ballast?


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I think it depends on what you want. For ease of setup and change over from wakeboard, goofy surf, and regular surf you won't beat the flow. If you are looking for the slammed traditional wave you can't beat the traditional sacking of the boat.

They both have their place and purpose.

I do think the flow will enhance resale value.

[Jwredmon101]

That is alittle steep on the price 1199.00. Built a mondo on the site and 890 was retail on flow before the dealer discount.

[jstenger]

I figured it would be more for the LSV since it has a larger aluminum mounting block.

[parrothd]

This was one of the reasons I upgraded to the 06 hull but from the reviews it doesn't sound like it's worth it..

I'm going with big ballast instead... :)

[jstenger]

My salesman ordered mine last Wednesday.

[saskyrider]

It def depends on what your after.. monster wave or convenience. I am going to play around to see what produces a better wave for me...

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[saskie99]

how much different is the hull on my 05 lsv vs the 06?

[jstenger]

I just want the convience.

[13mobiusLSV]

I just want the convience.

Are you going to be sticking with your factory ballast when going to flow?


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[patrick232]

That is alittle steep on the price 1199.00. Built a mondo on the site and 890 was retail on flow before the dealer discount.

I could be mistaken, I think the price on the site now has inched up some.

[mmandley]

I was about to post the Info about this but looked like Dan couldn't wait to tell everyone lol.
Price is at AWS, so don't be surprised if like everything else we have seen, different dealers charge different amounts.

I haven't heard or seen an official video from Skiers Choice on the LSV Flow so no one can really say how well it works on this boat. I would expect it works the same as it does on the Mojo and Mondo.

For me I will have to wait till May 17th and go demo it at AWS Demo Days.

As for installation is should be a simple 2 hour labor job at the dealer, and I expect SC to only warranty your hull if you let the dealer install it. Remember 08 and up all Moomba hulls have a limited lifetime warranty. I am not sure if pre 08 does so I wont speak on that.

[mmandley]

Maybe mmandley will have an answer for that after his testing


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Weather isn't permitting us to get out and do more testing yet. Unfortunately I won't be able to test and dial in an LSV unless someone local that owns one get the Flow and asks me to help.

Speaking with the Mojo Flow though, I have to run less weight then I do but we all know I run tons of weight, literally.

[Sharpshooter]

Weather isn't permitting us to get out and do more testing yet. Unfortunately I won't be able to test and dial in an LSV unless someone local that owns one get the Flow and asks me to help.

Speaking with the Mojo Flow though, I have to run less weight then I do but we all know I run tons of weight, literally.

Iam not concerned with the ease of swapping sides,all my people surf on the same side.So if the flow isn't going to give me something more, I will just stay with sacking it out.Just trying to decide on dropping the money on more ballast or the flow, which I will still need to invest in the IBS bag any suggestions


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[jstenger]

Are you going to be sticking with your factory ballast when going to flow?


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2003 Ebbtide Campioné 210
1969 Sea Ray SRV 170

Not sure about the ballast yet. I have already moved my pumps and removed both rear walls to make room for bigger bags. I also installed my IBS. I don't want the biggest wave, I just want a great wave. More than likely, I will go with the 900# Sumo Sacs.

[mmandley]

Iam not concerned with the ease of swapping sides,all my people surf on the same side.So if the flow isn't going to give me something more, I will just stay with sacking it out.Just trying to decide on dropping the money on more ballast or the flow, which I will still need to invest in the IBS bag any suggestions


2013 Moomba LSV

Are you surfing Reg or Goofy?

We have to switch because the Mrs is goofy and I'm reg so its imperative that both waves are great.

If your rolling Reg surf your money < AT THIS POINT> will be best invested in ballast bags.
Get yourself the SUMO 900s. I had these in the LSV and they fill as much as the Fly High 1100's plus have true 1 inch connections. Are easier to fold then Flyhigh for winter storage.

Get the IBS, no matter if you go Sac or Flow you need the IBS.

If your surfing Reg I would lean towards Ballast the boat. Even with the testing we have done the Flow didn't show as much change on the reg as it did the Goofy. If your Goofy I would have to lean towards the Flow.

At this point though my advise on the Flow is subjective at best, I don't have my flow working the way I want it to yet and I haven't seen an LSV with it.

I could make some sweet surf waves with my LSV and Ballast though.

[89PROSTAR]

I just can't pull the trigger until I see it in person. Hopefully demo days they will have an LSV there with the Flow.

[Sharpshooter]

We are regular surf all the way


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[mmandley]

We are regular surf all the way


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Going to be hard to beat
900 surf side,
300 goofy side
450 portside
hard tank and IBS Surfing LOL.

[tater]

Going to be hard to beat
900 surf side,
300 goofy side
450 portside
hard tank and IBS Surfing LOL.
We are all regular also just got the IBS and a 450 ordered got a 1100 off of a forum member and came in way below what the flow would cost installed,add the prop and its a push,Ill stick with the sacked out option.

[Sharpshooter]

Has anyone tried the kit wake makers is selling to plumb the IBS into the front tank


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[motosno963]

i wish i could try this on my outback haha..i really wanna try and surf a good wave

[moombadaze]

Has anyone tried the kit wake makers is selling to plumb the IBS into the front tank


2013 Moomba LSV

no need to get a kit, very simple to add

[jpetty3023]

no need to get a kit, very simple to add

I've been trying to muster up the courage to do mine but the IBS still lays empty, unattached, under the bow seats!


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[Woody929]

The IBS was pretty easy to add, and better to do it now while it's not 103 degrees like it was when I did mine.

[rca]

Get that IBS in Jason! Pretty easy and makes a big difference.

[mmandley]

Dammit Jason don't make me do it when I come to Texas. I will not have you wasting fuel on an OK wave VS a great wave.

[sandm]

I just can't pull the trigger until I see it in person. Hopefully demo days they will have an LSV there with the Flow.


my opinion is that you should also ride it. looking at a wave does not indicate how much push it has or what it really rides like.

I have heard over and over that the 'bu/axis surfgate doesn't make a great wave, just a good wave as you can't sack the boat out, however it switches from side to side quickly. feels like flow is in the same category.

if I was ordering a new boat, i'd probably tick the box to get it installed as if you don't really like the wave, you don't have to use it. retrofit would be a different story. I'd have to see how good the wake really becomes before spending the cash on it.

[89PROSTAR]

I agree, I need to surf it. I don't typically run a lot of weight. I don't like bags exposed. I have an 1100 surfside, 750 goofy side, 400 factory mid, and I have the old factory 400's under the bow. Occasionally I'll throw 400 on the floor but I don't like crawling over bags. I think the Flow might work well with my limited weight.

[Boonejeepin]

I agree, I need to surf it. I don't typically run a lot of weight. I don't like bags exposed. I have an 1100 surfside, 750 goofy side, 400 factory mid, and I have the old factory 400's under the bow. Occasionally I'll throw 400 on the floor but I don't like crawling over bags. I think the Flow might work well with my limited weight.

I would bet the flow would work well for you but what do I know...

I want to reserve my spot on your boat this summer when I come to visit.

[snyderaaron]

The IBS was pretty easy to add, and better to do it now while it's not 103 degrees like it was when I did mine.

Anybody have a how to on how to add one. I get tired of hooking up my tsunami pump to fill. Don't have any idea on where to start to piggyback it off my ski locker bag.

[Woody929]

This was the thread I followed.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?t=19314

[rdlangston13]

Get that IBS in Jason! Pretty easy and makes a big difference.

How did you plumb yours in? I'm still throwing a pump over the side


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[jpetty3023]

that's what I'm gonna be doing this weekend David if I can't find someone between now and Friday to do mine. first camping trip of the year is set for this weekend


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[Woody929]

The thread I linked above was super easy. I added the IBS, and replaced my 2 rear bags with the 1100s. The IBS is filled from a line running from the top vent on my center bag. I use the bosworth valve which let's me choose if I want to fill the IBS or not. I also added the check valves which help get all 4 of my bags flat.

[snyderaaron]

Where do the check valves go? Also don't think I'm going to need the Bosworth as I always like my IBS full. What materials do I need? Can you think of anything else?

Y Fiiting
Clamps
Hose
Flow Right
Check Valves?

[rca]

How did you plumb yours in? I'm still throwing a pump over the side


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My setup was pretty close to Drew's but I decided after talking with him that I didn't want the Bosworth valve. I basically put my IBS in between my center bag and the vent line. What I did was:

1. take the vent line from the center bag and change it to a 1 inch quick connect fitting
2. pulled a 1 inch line from the center bag vent line to the starboard fill port on the IBS
3. moved the vent line that used to go to the center bag to the IBS vent
4. added a check valve on all the vent lines to help drain the bags

I basically fill the IBS from the overflow of the center bag through the starboard fill port. It may not get completely full, but it gets pretty close and it drains well too. Pretty easy setup. I did make a bypass hose that I could use to connect the fill line for the center bag directly to the vent line for the center bag, to bypass the center bag and just fill the IBS, but I've never used it.

Is that clear as mud?

[Woody929]

I was trying to pull up my order from Wakemakers, but it won't come up.

If you aren't doing the Bosworth, I'm not sure you need a Y. Mine is used for the overflow of either the IBS or the center bag depending on which way I have the valve turned.

I cut the hose coming from the thru-hulls at about 8". I installed the check valves there. You can see it here:
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From memory I ordered:
Check Valves x 3 @ 3/4" (my vent line sizes)
Bosworth x 1
Y barb x 1 @ 3/4"
Stainless Steel Crimp Band Clamps x 10 @ 3/4", 6 @ 1"
1" to 3/4" hose barb
The necessary quick release connects (M/F)
1" hose and maybe some 3/4" hose, but not sure on that. I tried to reuse the original vent line from my center bag. I might have moved this to the IBS.

I ordered the crimp clamp tool on amazon, at the time they had a better price. That tool is very handy for clipping of cotter pins too.

That list is all from memory, so I might have missed a few things.

[Woody929]

Ron & I pretty much did the same thing, I just included the valve.

[parrothd]

What do you use the valve for? Do you ever only fill one?

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[jstenger]

I say keep it simple and don't use the valve.

[Woody929]

What do you use the valve for? Do you ever only fill one?

Sometimes I don't fill the IBS depending on what we are doing. I mainly only fill it when we are surfing.

[1danlay]

Install video coming soon on activeh2o.com

[jstenger]

Install video coming soon on activeh2o.com

Awsome!!!!

[Boonejeepin]

Install video coming soon on activeh2o.com

As usual Dan delivers....

Thanks!

Russ

[rbeckner27]

Do any of the newer lsv's use hard tanks? I ask cause I know on the mojo there was great discussion about the check valves with the hard tank it causing the tank not to drain.

[jstenger]

Do any of the newer lsv's use hard tanks? I ask cause I know on the mojo there was great discussion about the check valves with the hard tank it causing the tank not to drain.

2013 LSV's and newer have a center hard tank. I am having good luck with my new LSV draining my bag flat without using the check valve.

[saskie99]

ok so you guys are posting about the flow and surfing, meanwhile up here in Canada we still have ice on the lakes. I had an itch that had to be scratched last night.
http://youtu.be/01vbWSrvUWQ

[costanza]

ok so you guys are posting about the flow and surfing, meanwhile up here in Canada we still have ice on the lakes. I had an itch that had to be scratched last night.
http://youtu.be/01vbWSrvUWQ

LOL!!!!!!! I feel your pain... Our lake is still frozen in Quebec as well!!

[mmandley]

Install video coming soon on activeh2o.com

Once again I HIGHLY Caution you against self install.

I assume SC will say the exact same thing about the LSV as the Mojo.

Self install will void your hull warranty.

You do not want to void a hull warranty when you are installing a device that puts a large amount of pressure on the rear corner of the boat. If you get any cracking, or a complete failure you will be paying for that bill. Or your Insurance will. Not worth a couple hundo savings.

[uniwarking]

Once again I HIGHLY Caution you against self install.

I assume SC will say the exact same thing about the LSV as the Mojo.

Self install will void your hull warranty.

You do not want to void a hull warranty when you are installing a device that puts a large amount of pressure on the rear corner of the boat. If you get any cracking, or a complete failure you will be paying for that bill. Or your Insurance will. Not worth a couple hundo savings.

+1


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[Boonejeepin]

I still want to see how it is done in the video.

[jstenger]

I still want to see how it is done in the video.

Same with me.

[uniwarking]

Holes and sealant ;)


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[kaneboats]

Hmmm. Does adding additional thru-hulls for updated ballast systems invalidate your hull warranty?

[jstenger]

Holes and sealant ;)


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Ha ha! Real funny!

[996scott]

ok so you guys are posting about the flow and surfing, meanwhile up here in Canada we still have ice on the lakes. I had an itch that had to be scratched last night.
http://youtu.be/01vbWSrvUWQ

Love the video, that is great. Hang in there, pretty soon and you will back on the lake!

[mmandley]

Hmmm. Does adding additional thru-hulls for updated ballast systems invalidate your hull warranty?

No but at the same time Thru-hulls are not adding pressure to the rear of the boat.

Not my rules brutha, just tossing it out there.

Post #95
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?23535-Moomba-Flow-The-new-Wake-Enhancement-Device/page10&highlight=void+hull+warranty

I assume this is the same for the LSV

[wolfeman131]

No but at the same time Thru-hulls are not adding pressure to the rear of the boat.



You sure about that statement that modifying your hull won't void your hull warranty?

[mikenehrkorn]

ok so you guys are posting about the flow and surfing, meanwhile up here in Canada we still have ice on the lakes. I had an itch that had to be scratched last night.
http://youtu.be/01vbWSrvUWQ

Now that is dedication......at least you were wearing a helmet! 😭😭😭



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[mmandley]

You sure about that statement that modifying your hull won't void your hull warranty?

No of course not. LOL
I have how ever not had or heard the Dealer tell me anything about my Thru-Hull additions, and they did the extra one on my Mojo.

If that's the case hopefully it works like car warranty. You only void the warranty on the parts you upgrade or if it can be proven your upgrade caused the part to fail. IDK lol

[rdlangston13]

I don't think y'all's systems will work that well on my boat since I don't have the reversible pumps


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[jstenger]

I don't think y'all's systems will work that well on my boat since I don't have the reversible pumps


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Search my posts. I added an IBS and aereater pumps to my OBV.

[jstenger]

I don't think y'all's systems will work that well on my boat since I don't have the reversible pumps


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Here is a link to the setup you are asking about. It is post #12 towards the bottom of the first page.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?22171-Outback-V-GI-to-GIII-Ballast-Upgrade

[mmandley]

I don't think y'all's systems will work that well on my boat since I don't have the reversible pumps


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I had my IBS fill off my Ski Locker bag in the 08. I used the upper port on the Ski Locker bag and drilled a hole into the ski locker, then ran that hose to my IBS.

I used 2 aerator pumps, one on each leg and tied those into the wires on the factory ski locker drain. I changed the fuse to a 10amp from a 2.5amp and never had an issue.

I ran both drains to a Y and added a thu-hull on the front next to the Ski Locker thru-hull drain.

[jmvotto]

Search my posts. I added an IBS and aereater pumps to my OBV.

Me too. On my obv 2007 .