Humble Stereo V2.o

[New Guy]

I sat down with my uncle the other day to help him figure out what he wanted built for a stereo in his 2013 Malibu MXZ. After alot of discussion we had it figure out which way he was going to go. I am going to keep a build thread going on here to let you guys in.

The Gear

Wetsounds.......

4- Rev10's
1- Rev410
1- XXX-v2
1-420BT


JL Amps.....
3- HD750's
1- HD1200
1- HD600/4

The boat currently has 6- RF 8" components and 2- 6.5's that are going to be utilized.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20140416_123628_zpsszfnff38.jpg

I can't wait to do this install!

[bergermaister]

Hopefully he'll be able to tolerate such a pitiful setup in that measly boat...

[New Guy]

Haha yeah I convinced him to go a little over the top.

[New Guy]

Got the towers unpacked. 19649

Stay awesome!

[New Guy]

I got a start on the sub box last night. Nothing is screwed to the bottom because I have to resin everything yet.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065852_zpswy0drkzf.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065912_zps4nq3edq9.jpg

[New Guy]

A better shot of the towers
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20140416_181504_zpswx59jarf.jpg

[mikenehrkorn]

I got a start on the sub box last night. Nothing is screwed to the bottom because I have to resin everything yet.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065852_zpswy0drkzf.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065912_zps4nq3edq9.jpg

So looks like a 5 beer sub box, huh?!? Or are there more fallen soldiers outside the pic?? :)

[philwsailz]

I got a start on the sub box last night. Nothing is screwed to the bottom because I have to resin everything yet.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065852_zpswy0drkzf.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Mobile%20Uploads/20140417_065912_zps4nq3edq9.jpg

That is some serious old-school barley pop can action going on. Pull tabs????


What is really up with the Old Style cans? Those look like antiques....

[New Guy]

Phil left overs from my can collection in the other half of the basement.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/2013-03-03124607_zpsa0d5893b.jpg

All the barley pop's are the new old style Miller Lite cans.

I figure I am going to have about 5 hours in this box.



Phil I do have a question for you.... How important is it that I radius the corners of my ports with the router? Does it affect anything or is it even necessary?

[kaneboats]

That is some serious old-school barley pop can action going on. Pull tabs????


What is really up with the Old Style cans? Those look like antiques....

I was thinking you guys must be desperate for beer up there if you are going into the cellar and pulling out cases of ancient Dog Style and Strohs. That crap was horrible when it was fresh.

[mikenehrkorn]

Agreed.............the only time the Old Style tastes remotely good is on a sunny afternoon in the bleachers at Wrigley!! That is back when the Cubs actually fielded a major league team..... (sigh)

[kaneboats]

I used to drink the Special export for another 50 cents. Keep from getting sick.

[New Guy]

Just have to fill the screw holes, paint and put the feet on. Definitely a 12 pack project. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/23/qy8unegu.jpg

Stay awesome!

[kaneboats]

You do nice work. I just built a box and it didn't look nearly as good.

[sandm]

now I know who's door to come knock on next time I need some mdf cut up for a box :)

finding a table saw anymore is somewhat of a challenge.

[New Guy]

Absolutely Scott. I have a bunch of woodworking tools that I like to use every once in a while.

[sandm]

as do I, but sold the table saw a few years ago as I was tired of moving it around.

if you are ever looking for a good deal on a router, got a brand new(well, used a few times) craftsman router that has probably routed 3 or 4 ft of wood total. I don't know how to use it so it's another tool moved from location to location for nothing... :)

[New Guy]

Scott I bought a router when I did my house remodel. Once you by the right bits for it they are awesome. I can help you out with that on your next sub box.

[sandm]

no need to route a subbox. never really had a need for the router and not sure I'll ever use it..

[New Guy]

I was able to get the towers all test fit. I'm giddy this boat is going to rock!19808http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/29/etumy3en.jpg

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[New Guy]

Front view.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/29/zujequdy.jpg

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[MLA]

Thats gonna be a bangin' system for sure. have fun drilling that G2 tower tube........

[New Guy]

Yup mike I already plan on pulling the tube out and using the drill press.

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[MLA]

Of all the towers, the G3's have been the most time, and drill bit, consuming :p

[New Guy]

Mike you were 100% right the ss tubing sucked. But v it sure turned out nice. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/06/a8ejumat.jpg

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[New Guy]

Mocking up the amp rack. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/06/a9u8a3u8.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/06/e5ezyqy4.jpg

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[Kracker]

What type of wood did u use?
and I don't think that 1 sub will keep up with all those 10s

[New Guy]

13 ply birch.

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[New Guy]

Got the amp rack wired up and set in place. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/uvu6e6uh.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/a4yru9ud.jpg

[motosno963]

clean setup..i plan on pulling my boards and redoing mine soon

[wolff supra21v]

This is going to be crazy I have 4 rev10's with 2 1000 watt Rockford Fosgate amps and I am getting told to turn them down all the time. And I hardly crank it all the way up.

[Cigars n scotch]

Mike you were 100% right the ss tubing sucked. But v it sure turned out nice. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/06/a8ejumat.jpg

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I really can't imagine how loud that is. I have 2 pro80s and it's loud and my system pales in comparison to pretty much everyone on this board. Is that a 485 in the middle? What's the purpose of that vs. the 4 other WS? Just curious and asking as I don't know and am not up on all the speaker info. Looks great!

That amp rack is INSANE!

[C.Hern5972]

nice set up

[MO-BS_405]

This is going to murder anyone else that wants to try to play over your music! Looks awesome.

[New Guy]

Thanks guys. My uncle is one of those guys that dies it once right so when we started talk about a tower setup he wanted the biggest and best he could get. I hooked up with the guys at Earmark and thus is what we put together. Hoping to make noise tonight. ,

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[KG's Supra24]

Awesome install. I bet you are excited to hear it.

... Is this install a practice run? :)

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[mcdye]

I hooked up with the guys at Earmark and thus is what we put together. Hoping to make noise tonight. ,

"make noise".... you mean wake the dead..

[New Guy]

I got if fired up last night in an insulated shop and my wife herd me over a 1/4 mile away in our house. She thought it was thunder at first lol.

KG I want to work up to something like this but I am pretty sure it won't fit on the Mojo tower. I might go with the more manageable set of REV 410's.

[EricU]

NewGuy,

Looks nice, must sound SICK!

What is the Rev410 for? or what does it provide different than a set of Rev10s?

I cannot imagine what that sounds like out on the lake, I have four Icon8s (for cove listening) and a bunch of XS-650s and that is LOUD and CLEAR, would love to hear your Uncle's set up.

[New Guy]

Eric the 410 is to complete the full tower look. It is actually a little smoother than the REV10's because they are a full cone 10" driver.

[KG's Supra24]

In summary .... To be awesome. Lol.

What was the sub and interior speaker setup? Did I miss that?

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[New Guy]

Left the factory 8" Rockford interiors but repowered them with a JL 600.4 and for a sub we went with the WS XXX v2 powered by a JL 1200.1 in the wetsounds recommended box. The one thing that I will saw about the MXZ is that the storage absolutely sucks. I would say the Mondo easily has it beat. The bow is one large hard tank so no storage there, and the transom seats take up a large portion of your rear locker space.

[dusty2221]

Mark...just sick man. Absolutely insane.

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[New Guy]

This is so bad ass! I'm trying to figure out a way to record it and do it justice.

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[New Guy]

So I finalized everything and I'm really happy with how it turned out. Man this sub slams!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/e6a6e8u7.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/a4a3ubam.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/u3avyjuz.jpg

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[New Guy]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/yhe5abys.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/unazu7um.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/tuhegagu.jpg

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[Cigars n scotch]

That boat and that install is seriously beautiful!!! Nice job.

[New Guy]

Well I figured that I better revive this thread with a little update. After a few discussions and several bears we decieded to redo the sub situation. I'm going to be pulling the XS-XXX out and putting it in the Moomba (maybe 2) but we are going to go with 2JL 12W7's and 2 JL HD1200/1 powering them.

Here is a little preview
http://mediacdn.jlaudio.com/media/mfg/9013/product_image/79ba588305ef63e3a11e6c144b6861fb.jpg?1427776477
http://store.earmarkcaraudio.com/Xcart/images/d/1-10.jpg

[trayson]

I think that whole system is horrible. you should pull it out immediately and put it in my boat.

[New Guy]

Haha I wanted to match it in our boat but the wife keeps telling me it is good enough, but what she doesn't know won't kill her.

[trayson]

One suggestion... I'd recommend wrapping the sub enclosure with vinyl (not "vinylwrap" like a sticker, but vinyl like the upholstery is made of). With all the carpet it looks like a big fuzzy monster...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/18/unazu7um.jpg


RARRRR! GRRRR!!!

[David Analog]

[QUOTE=New Guy;263487]Well I figured that I better revive this thread with a little update. After a few discussions and several bears we decieded to redo the sub situation. I'm going to be pulling the XS-XXX out and putting it in the Moomba (maybe 2) but we are going to go with 2JL 12W7's and 2 JL HD1200/1 powering them.

I'm certainly an advocate of JL Audio subwoofers and I consider the W7 to be 'THE' reference subwoofer that all others are compared to. However (you knew this was coming) in your quest for output I would hate for you to compromise such a precision piece of engineering by placing it in a location that is bad for sound quality or splitting two subs into separate locations, which is also bad for SQ. Not sure exactly what the plan is but I would carefully research beforehand.

[New Guy]

I'm certainly an advocate of JL Audio subwoofers and I consider the W7 to be 'THE' reference subwoofer that all others are compared to. However (you knew this was coming) in your quest for output I would hate for you to compromise such a precision piece of engineering by placing it in a location that is bad for sound quality or splitting two subs into separate locations, which is also bad for SQ. Not sure exactly what the plan is but I would carefully research beforehand.

I should be able to get both of them in a box under the helm in a sealed box. What are your thoughts on one sub firing into the cabin and the other fire into the hull? I could do both firing into the hull but I would loose a lot of foot room.

[New Guy]

I was thinking something along these lines. It should net me 2.77ft3 internally. I was going to do a 1.25" lexan front and the interior with a carbon fiber overlay.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Jons%20Sub%20Box_zpswo5nf3dr.png

[jmvotto]

Mark, is that a vents or LEDs on the fuzzy monster sides, I see the heater ports.

The jl setup should pound.

[New Guy]

Ports with a box built to WS spec.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/23/qy8unegu.jpg

[wolfeman131]

That clearly looks to be more than a 1 beer job!

[David Analog]

Never been a fan of that particular Wetsounds twin ported box. There's about 70% more port wall area in comparison to the same port surface area of a single port design. A single port design has less drag and would have a slight efficiency advantage. Plus, the greater port wall mass of twin ports makes the overall enclosure displacement larger. It's not necessary, although it looks good.
Glad to see both JL Audio subs going in the same location.
Might as well, remove the cluster and get busy with a Dynamat application to the interior of the helm console. With two W7s everything that covers the helm structure will become a sympathetic resonator.
Ideal is side-by-side and out-firing. If there's room you can elevate the enclosure enough to fit your feet underneath.
Next closest to ideal would be two side-firing subs in opposing directions, each about 6-inches removed from any adjacent plane, like the hull and helm pass-thru wall. This also has a byproduct of creating less tactile energy (of the distortion type) that tends to jackhammer the boat into submission.
What you have is an acceptable compromise. A couple of feet difference in phase response makes an audible difference in the transient attack of first impulses. It's less about the distance differential and more about the phase delay created by the helm cavity. Sometimes a helm cavity has a similar impact on phasing as would a tuned port box.
Before building the box, I would determine how those magnets interact when positioned so close. If there is no attraction/repulsion than there is no concern.
Not sure if you know how much internal pressure two 12W7s can generate. I hope you can keep a plex baffle sealed.

[New Guy]

Thanks for the help David. I have a couple tricks up my sleeve to keep everything sealed. The box will be elevated off the sole to allow airflow. I also plan on dynamating everything under the helm.

I was slightly concerned about the boundary loading causing issues. I have about 10" of room between the sub and outside hull so hopefully it shouldn't be an issue.

The magnets at the closest point are going to be 3" apart do you think that this could cause issues?
Here is a shot with the top off of the box.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Jon_zps6knda30t.jpg

[David Analog]

Thanks for the help David. I have a couple tricks up my sleeve to keep everything sealed. The box will be elevated off the sole to allow airflow. I also plan on dynamating everything under the helm.

I was slightly concerned about the boundary loading causing issues. I have about 10" of room between the sub and outside hull so hopefully it shouldn't be an issue.

The magnets at the closest point are going to be 3" apart do you think that this could cause issues?
Here is a shot with the top off of the box.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Jon_zps6knda30t.jpg

Don't anticipate an issue with the magnet to magnet proximity. That looks like good enough isolation.
10-inches of room is well beyond anything you should be concerned about with a side-firing sub.
My only concern was a unified phase front between the two subs. Nothing you would hear on bass and drum lines produced on a sampler (whether electronic or software) or SoftSynth software such as most synthesized bass in Hip Hop, Rap, Dub Step, etc. More of an issue with the music I listen to which is real studio artists playing real music instruments.

[New Guy]

What electronic music isn't real lol.

Thanks for the help on this I can't wait to get it completed.

[New Guy]

So David scared me about the internal pressure created by 2 W7's so I had to by a new tool. Biscuit Jointer. I will be double layering the box so this was just the inner layer.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20150405_183627_zpsmxoqcbt8.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20150405_192151_zpsubataw1q.jpg

[mikenehrkorn]

I would guess between the biscuits and the glue that the wood would fail somewhere else as opposed to the joint you are creating -- those joints will be VERY strong!!

[viking]

It's nice to have a reason to buy new tools.........LOL


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[New Guy]

A little comparison of a Wetsounds 12 XXX V2 vs a JL 12W7. I thought that I was going to do 2 Wetsounds in our boat but my mind is changing quickly.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20150414_183515_zpsyau3mhew.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20150414_183507_zpswgmuop0d.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/20150414_183458_zpsrpvfzda1.jpg

[viking]

WOW! If you have the depth I know what I would choose.

[New Guy]

So I was able to get everything buttoned up last night. I installed a new battery box, completely rebuilt the amp rack, and obviously installed the sub box and fascia.
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Boating/20150527_202419_zpstiias0wr.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Boating/20150526_223152_zpsin1uavlz.jpg
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Boating/20150525_165227_zpszvsoo7re.jpg

[New Guy]

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo121/2005r6rider/Boating/20150523_101753_zpspkbjyy2w.jpg

[viking]

Well that should do allright.........
Nice work!