Surf the MONDO?

[trace]

Hi all, new guy here. I've been watching MOOMBA for years, almost bought an OBV in '08, but the local dealer was absolute crap, ended up in something else. We've been surfing the crap out of what we have, but it's just too limited. We need something more purpose built for it. I'm really excited about the new MONDO, sounds like it will fit in my garage, doesn't cost as much as a house, has an incredible interior, one of the best I've seen from Moomba.

Just like the title says, I'm wondering if any of the mere mortals on the forum have had a shot at surfing the MONDO yet. So far all I've seen are the flickr photos and the promo vid, anybody here seen one in the wild up close and personal?

Thanks all.
Trace

[Cactus371]

The first one off the factory floor is in Texas for the Texas jam. It came in late so they were not able to prep it to put it in the water but it sure looks nice.

[trace]

Thanks Cactus, I dug around and found pictures for that one, it's gorgeous. Maybe when he gets a minute Drew can chime in, somebody intimated he might have had a surf session behind a Mondo. Here's hoping anyway.

[trace]

Anybody surf this thing yet, we need pics!!!

[Mobius22]

I have. Really enjoyed it but I thought it needed more weight than the factory 400's in the rear (I would want at least 750's in the rear). We only had stock ballast (1300 pounds) and 3 people including the driver so we were limited on weight. The freeboard is so deep and the storage is massive so I know that properly weighted it will be a monster.

[trace]

Anybody else see one of these in the water with pictures of the wake? We are seeing them show up at the dealers across the country, somebody's got to be taking a demo ride. If I had a dealer near me, I'd be all over it, but so far the closest Moomba dealer I've found is about 5 hours away and they don't have any stock....

[wolfeman131]

one will be arriving at Atlanta Marine in 9 days and I plan to demo it (if they will let me)

[trace]

I hope they do let you demo it Drew. You know what kind of info we are looking for about surfing this boat.

[bkearney]

(listjack, sorry) anyone know when SC is gonna look at any of the tech around using boat structure for wakes instead of just the weight? We went on a malibu with a surf gate and it was really nice.

[wolfeman131]

(listjack, sorry) anyone know when SC is gonna look at any of the tech around using boat structure for wakes instead of just the weight? We went on a malibu with a surf gate and it was really nice.

I'm sure they are, but what?

What did you like about the Malibu wave? Did you ride it? I spent 2 solid days behind one and it was "mushy" at best. Fine if you're just wanting to cruise along and have a beer, but not so much if you want to surf. NSS is a little better, but produces a wave with a funny trough in it and at Nationals, the boat had to have 900 lbs in the bow to make it decent.

[brain_rinse]

I hope SC ends up with something like NSS. I rode behind a G23 that was evenly weighted in the back and the wave was beautiful and much better than the pics I've seen posted online. Makes me wonder if people are trying to combine these new surf systems with the conventional weighting techniques and it just doesn't work well?

[kaneboats]

one will be arriving at Atlanta Marine in 9 days and I plan to demo it (if they will let me)

Just grab it for a weekend and some of us will come up and demo it with you.

[sandm]

I have heard the same thing about surfgate and I still don't get the side to side thing. I know a few that have ridden g23's with nss and say it's a real good wave. Having ridden a few vx-equipped tiges they do need a lot of weight as it's basically a hull extension.

I will be anxious to see the pics drew can post up if he gets his hands on that boat with some "real" weight, not the factory ballast. all things point to a solid surf wave from a sub-21ft boat and with that freeboard and seat depth, looks to be a great boat to handle and, more importantly, hide a lot of ballast.

[wolfeman131]

I hope SC ends up with something like NSS. I rode behind a G23 that was evenly weighted in the back and the wave was beautiful and much better than the pics I've seen posted online. Makes me wonder if people are trying to combine these new surf systems with the conventional weighting techniques and it just doesn't work well?

did you surf the G23?

[brain_rinse]

Yessir. And a wakeboard set too!

[wolfeman131]

I asked as the G23 was the towboat at both MN and Nationals this year. There is a bit of a snarky thread going on over at WW about weighting and the wave. My personal opinion is that it's not a great surf wave. In MN, they didn't have any bow weight and riders were requesting that judges move to the front to help mellow it out some. I believe that they had too much weight in the boat. As a result, most were riding with the plate/NSS at 0/0. So, what's the point if you don't have it deployed?

The wave at Nationals was much improved, but there was some 900 lbs of lead in the bow. They used the stock ballast w/ 300 lb sacs in the back. Check out this pic as the boat was literally plowing through the water.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd344/wolfeman131/9577611363_fc4f9d1a29_z.jpg (http://s530.photobucket.com/user/wolfeman131/media/9577611363_fc4f9d1a29_z.jpg.html)

It's a fantastic boat, wonderfully built and equipped, but it struggles as a surf boat. The SAN 230 was also at the event, and IMO, had a much better surf wave. And, just so everyone doesn't think I'm a total homer, below are comments from one of the pioneers of modern wakesurfing that I stole from his blog:

"The wake is a bit steep, which is typical from these big boats and contests. Lots of weight and they tend to lose the transition. Good for airs and some above the lip tricks, but limited by the lack of a transition. Lots of the more simple aerials for a wake like this."

"Overall we are not liking the winged attachments or the tendency towards limiting the list of wakesurf wakes. It feels like that makes the wakes softer and reduces the available power of the wake."

[bergermaister]

Reminds me of an old saying...

"There's no replacement for displacement"

[brain_rinse]

I'm not a surf expert by any measure and only have my boat and a few other more wakeboard oriented boats to compare the G23 surf wave against. So with that context, I thought it was enormous, clean, and I could ride what felt like 10 feet further from the boat, all on a board that was way too small for me. We laughed that we could have three people surf the same wave at the same time. 5 seconds later you could surf the other side, then be ready for wakeboarding before you'd even be strapped in. So for me the nss would be an amazing feature... but not surprising that it wouldn't satisfy the surf competitors as they would have standards well above mine.

All of this reminds me of the Malibu wedge that some people love and others despise.

[mmandley]

(listjack, sorry) anyone know when SC is gonna look at any of the tech around using boat structure for wakes instead of just the weight? We went on a malibu with a surf gate and it was really nice.

They are making boats with hull lines specific to surfing.

Mojo, has side skirts and lines that help channel the water to make for better surfing. Also the nose is designed to allow the boat to ride lower in the water when surfing.

Supra SC has a nose specific for surfing, the body lines on the rear, normally where you see the hull color change is cut specifically for surfing.

Mondo i cant speak on as much but if its hull is really a mini Mojo then it has the same hull features as the Mojo.

Just because you dont see a Surf Gate, NSS, surf Tabs, on a SC product doesn't mean they aren't changing the hulls and making changes to things to make them better surf boats.

SC is working on it, and we really owe a lot to the designers and Shane Stillman who has a lot of design input for the new boats, also hes is a surfing guy like many of us and wants the boats to surf well.

Each boat i spend time in with him, <3 all new boats now> he harps and harps on peoples thoughts on the Surf characteristics of the boats. He talks and pushes the Wake Board wave also but his passion for the day to day is getting these boats in the surf scene.

[rdlangston13]

They are making boats with hull lines specific to surfing.

Mojo, has side skirts and lines that help channel the water to make for better surfing. Also the nose is designed to allow the boat to ride lower in the water when surfing.

Supra SC has a nose specific for surfing, the body lines on the rear, normally where you see the hull color change is cut specifically for surfing.

Mondo i cant speak on as much but if its hull is really a mini Mojo then it has the same hull features as the Mojo.

Just because you dont see a Surf Gate, NSS, surf Tabs, on a SC product doesn't mean they aren't changing the hulls and making changes to things to make them better surf boats.

SC is working on it, and we really owe a lot to the designers and Shane Stillman who has a lot of design input for the new boats, also hes is a surfing guy like many of us and wants the boats to surf well.

Each boat i spend time in with him, <3 all new boats now> he harps and harps on peoples thoughts on the Surf characteristics of the boats. He talks and pushes the Wake Board wave also but his passion for the day to day is getting these boats in the surf scene.

This makes me sad because to me the surf wave is a distant second in importance to the wakeboard wave. I don't mind surf friendly changes but I don't want to sacrifice the wakeboard wave or improvements to the wakeboard wave to make that happen.

The LSV IMO could use some work on the wakeboard wave too.




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[New Guy]

I couldn't agree more with David. I feel that even though surfing has its place it is not wakeboarding. The should not be sacrificing the wb wake to surf IMO.

[wolfeman131]

In the end, none of our individual opinions matter in regards to how the designs evolve. What matters to all manufacturing companies is what the masses want.

Local pro shops here are selling more surfboards than wakeboards, Surf Expo in Florida is showcasing more & more boat manufacturers (2013 saw the following at the show: Axis, Centurion, Malibu, MasterCraft, Moomba, Natique, Sanger, Supra, Supreme and Tige) and in 2012 broke their attendance record with over 24,000 and even on our little, ole' forum the wakesurf threads outnumber wakeboard threads by a slim margin.

Watch out kids:

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/Guitarman1157/OldGuysRule.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Guitarman1157/media/OldGuysRule.jpg.html)

and we rule with our checkbooks and we like to surf.

not hating, just facting.

[brain_rinse]

I think there is room in most manufacturers' lineups for ski boats, wake boats, and surf boats. Of course there will still be plenty of crossovers too.

At least kneeboarding died off...

[mikenehrkorn]

+1 for the old guys!! Our (at least this guy) bodies prefer the gentleness of surfing over the pounding of wakeboarding and the major reason for my OBV purchase this year.

With my 50th coming up quickly, I love the fact that I can still participate in a boating activity in which a bad fall will not put me in a cast or needing some sort of major surgery!!!

[trace]

one will be arriving at Atlanta Marine in 9 days and I plan to demo it (if they will let me)

Holy Thread Hi-Jack batman. This one has really gone off the rails, lol.

Let's all stay focused on what's important and that is Drew is going to cash in his good will chips at Atlanta Marine and surf this boat for us in 1,2,3....6 more days, (not that anyone is counting of course) and follow it up with a report and pictures. Sheesh fellas FOCUS!!

[sandm]

I think drew hit the nail on the head. manufacturers are producing what checkbooks want. sorry Mark :)

I too am interested in the surfwave from the mondo. inital looks appear to be promising.

[newty]

Sheesh fellas FOCUS!!

The Moomba forum is not a place of focus. Lol

[wolfeman131]

The Moomba forum is not a place of focus. Lol

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/althalus10/images-1.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/althalus10/media/images-1.jpg.html)

not really sure what the Caped Crusader is up to with the Boy Wonder there?!?!?!?!

[E4NASH]

...Having ridden a few vx-equipped tiges they do need a lot of weight as it's basically a hull extension.


There is no replacement for displacement!

[jstenger]

I plan on having my son surf one this Friday. I am going to bring a 750# bag with me so that I can compare the stock 400# with the 750#.

[trace]

I plan on having my son surf one this Friday. I am going to bring a 750# bag with me so that I can compare the stock 400# with the 750#.

Pictures Joe!!! Don't forget the pictures!!! Would be nice to see a pic of the wave with no one on it if you can swing it.
One of the best Moomba wave vids on youtube is Drew's original testing of his Mojo with no one riding, so you could actually see the wave shape.

[jstenger]

I plan to take pictures and video.

[rdlangston13]

I understand that old people like to surf but I have friends who are locally who are getting away from SC to go to a manufacturer that the feel has more consistent wakeboard wakes. This makes me sad as I am a huge SC fan but I am having issues convincing them other wise. Although on this forum there are some older surf
guys i still believe that wakeboard holds the majority of the market. Axis seems to be a very popular and common brand and they are known to be be great wakeboard wakes and horrible surf wakes. I just think it would be cool to have options. A hull designed to do one good and another hull designed for the other thing without having to jump manufacturers. That way everyone wins


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[BobP]

I plan to take pictures and video.

Are you all going to be demoing on Gun Lake?

[sandm]

Mentioning axis and not wanting to jump brands, axis makes 3 boats, 20/22/24. all wakeboard great and all surf not great. to get a surfboat, you are not going to even shop axis. I think(entirely imo) skiers has done a good job from what I see selling supra into the wakeboat market considering the SA/SC, both fantastic wakeboats, but if the SC is anything like the SA, decent but not top notch surfboats(yet I hear) and Moomba has churned out the Mojo(surf), the Mondo(not seen anything but looks to be a surf-specific hull) and the addition of more freeboard to the LSV to allow more weight to surf. It really feels like they have produced a good line of boats that fit most needs.

I would not disagree that wakeboarding is still more popular than surfing, but at the end of the day, pull the demographics of who are signing contracts for new boats and I would bet money it's very slanted toward the 35 and up crowd, not the 35 and under crowd. When you compare what people in the 35 and under group are doing, it's slanted toward boarding and the 35 and over set are surfing so which demographic are you going to market your product toward?

[jstenger]

Mentioning axis and not wanting to jump brands, axis makes 3 boats, 20/22/24. all wakeboard great and all surf not great. to get a surfboat, you are not going to even shop axis. I think(entirely imo) skiers has done a good job from what I see selling supra into the wakeboat market considering the SA/SC, both fantastic wakeboats, but if the SC is anything like the SA, decent but not top notch surfboats(yet I hear) and Moomba has churned out the Mojo(surf), the Mondo(not seen anything but looks to be a surf-specific hull) and the addition of more freeboard to the LSV to allow more weight to surf. It really feels like they have produced a good line of boats that fit most needs.

I would not disagree that wakeboarding is still more popular than surfing, but at the end of the day, pull the demographics of who are signing contracts for new boats and I would bet money it's very slanted toward the 35 and up crowd, not the 35 and under crowd. When you compare what people in the 35 and under group are doing, it's slanted toward boarding and the 35 and over set are surfing so which demographic are you going to market your product toward?

With the above being said, is the Mondo (mini Mojo) a surf specific boat? I understand that I am not going to get the best ski wake, but is the wakeboard wake going to suffer also? Should I just stick with my OBV?

[sandm]

drew might answer that better, but I would expect it to be a better wake than the obv due to the hull design and the freeboard being much larger, you can run more weight "safer" than the obv, not to mention the added width should make it more comfortable inside and a more challenging wake for those riding the end of the line.
having surfed a mojo, if the mondo is anywhere near that, it will be a solid surfer and not ridden but seen a mojo wakeboard wake, you should be very pleased with the end result.

waterskiing, I bet it'll be a night/day from the obv. that boat has a decent ski wake.

[rdlangston13]

If the 35 and up crowd are in fact that main ones signing the checks then I think they are going about this all wrong at SC. They need to focus Supra on surfing and Moomba on wakeboarding. The 35 and up crowd will have more money and thus can afford the higher cost Supras for their surfing desires while the 35 and under crowd is poor and needs the less expensive Moomba to satisfy their wakeboarding needs.

And of everyone I know in the market for a new boat right now, they are all less than 35. Most the 35 year old plus guys I know that are in the market just want either a pontoon boat or a Bayliner run about.

[jstenger]

And of everyone I know in the market for a new boat right now, they are all less than 35. Most the 35 year old plus guys I know that are in the market just want either a pontoon boat or a Bayliner run about.

Not me! I turned 40 this year. Screw pintoons and runabouts. If it weren't for torn ACL, I would still be trying to jump wake to wake on my board. You kids make it look to easy. LOL.

[trace]

And of everyone I know in the market for a new boat right now, they are all less than 35. Most the 35 year old plus guys I know that are in the market just want either a pontoon boat or a Bayliner run about.

And how many of those under 35 are ready to drop a down payment on a $60k inboard? I know a bunch of 40 somethings looking to switch to an inboard in the next 2 years....for surfing. Your perspective depends on the people you hang and don't hang with on a regular basis. David I have no idea how old you are, but you sound like a young guy (20-30) who runs with a young crew who loves wakeboarding, more power to you buddy. At 42 I wakeboard allot less and surf allot more mainly because Monday morning just doesn't hurt as much that way.

The fact as some have stated is pocket book. I worked a boat show last year and the buying demographics was mid 30's and later. The mid-20 crowd comes and looks but just doesn't normally plunk the money down, but you see a husband and wife about mid-30's or later walk up and start talking pricing/options and you are definitely thinking cha-ching.

[Lawdog]

I have to agree with RD on his last post. It makes more sense.

[Lawdog]

Totally new question. Is the plug and play ballast the same as previous years. In other words will I be able to take my 750 lb sacks and plug them right into the Mondo if I go test drive one? We are possibly thinking about downsizing our boat due to a recent lake house purchase and don't need our huge XLV.

[rdlangston13]

And how many of those under 35 are ready to drop a down payment on a $60k inboard? I know a bunch of 40 somethings looking to switch to an inboard in the next 2 years....for surfing. Your perspective depends on the people you hang and don't hang with on a regular basis. David I have no idea how old you are, but you sound like a young guy (20-30) who runs with a young crew who loves wakeboarding, more power to you buddy. At 42 I wakeboard allot less and surf allot more mainly because Monday morning just doesn't hurt as much that way.

The fact as some have stated is pocket book. I worked a boat show last year and the buying demographics was mid 30's and later. The mid-20 crowd comes and looks but just doesn't normally plunk the money down, but you see a husband and wife about mid-30's or later walk up and start talking pricing/options and you are definitely thinking cha-ching.

Of the three people under 35 that I mentioned two of them are current supra owners and one is a Moomba owner and they all have the ability to drop a down payment on a 60k boat. Just for reference I am 26. I'm not trying to say there is no market for surf boats, I would love to see Moomba make a model geared toward surfing primarily and one toward wakeboarding primarily


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[jstenger]

Hey guys, let's settle down. Some of us are kidding, and some may not be. Let's get back to the subject, and that is surfing this cool new boat that anyone 16 to 90 years old can buy if they have the cash.

[uniwarking]

I'm 31. I bought my Mojo to cover all of the bases... wakeboarding, skiing, tubing, knee boarding and surfing (have not bought a board yet). It does it all... better than my Bayliner. The Mondo looks like a solid boat, surf looks decent from the intro vid. Fact is, my skill at any of the above watersports will likely never outmatch the ability of my boat... or of the Mondo. I think many of us could probably say the same if we're honest... or we'd be sponsored ;)

[trace]

We are settled down Joe, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory toward anyone of any age, David's response didn't seem reactionary to an inflammatory post. If I offended anyone, I am sorry, wasn't my intention. I was just trying to say that statistically, expensive luxury purchases whether it be boats, cars, planes, or whatever, the market is typically the older, financially established couple.

I wasn't kidding about the hurting on Monday though....

And Joe is absolutely correct, focus everyone, he's going to go surf one, and Drew has 5 more days before he can do it for us also (Not that I'm counting).

[sandm]

I was just trying to say that statistically, expensive luxury purchases whether it be boats, cars, planes, or whatever, the market is typically the older, financially established couple.


Trace, here ya go again... I'm not married :) and I agree, no harm no foul in this thread.

I hope that atl marine lets drew put in more than the factory ballast. we all know that it's going to take some weight to sink that freeboard. what would be perfect would be a pair of 750's in the rear lockers and shots of both waves and a wakeboard wave. this boat was getting quite a bit of attention on ww for a while, but seems to have subsided. new shots of what we all believe it is capable of would really stir up some buzz especially since they are showing up in dealers. if I had to find a negative, it's that most at this late stage of the game will probably hold off on purchasing until late feb/early mar. I ski with a guy that has mondo on the short list and he's waiting as he feels the deals will be just as good or better at the boat show. wish there were some "early" deals to get a few of these out on the water and some family shots going around the interwebs..

[jstenger]

I agree. If they had fall incentives, the new Mondo would be in my driveway now. Oh well, I will just wait till January when everything up here is covered in ice.

[sandm]

Maybe Rick T needs to enact a "moomba forums" discount for any early purchases of a new model :) I bet there would be half-dozen already in circulation with pics across the interwebs..

[jstenger]

Maybe Rick T needs to enact a "moomba forums" discount for any early purchases of a new model :) I bet there would be half-dozen already in circulation with pics across the interwebs..

I second the motion. Please help us out Rick!

[KG's Supra24]

Here is a pic of the SC surf wave posted over on Wakeworld.

Maybe it's an indication of what is to come from the Mondo? Guess I'm not sure if they share the same/similar hull or not?

http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31781&stc=1&d=1378869014

[Lawdog]

I would be curious on what price point the Mondo is going to be at. I know right now the dealer I spoke with does not have a Mondo but they do have the SC. The SC is priced MORE than the SA last year. I suppose if you want the latest and greatest you have to pay for it.

[KG's Supra24]

I bet you see the mondo in the 50k range.

I think supra has stepped up to one of the best boats on the market and it sounds like the price is beginning to reflect that.

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[jstenger]

I bet you see the mondo in the 50k range.

I think supra has stepped up to one of the best boats on the market and it sounds like the price is beginning to reflect that.

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Base MSRP price is $53,560 for the Mondo.

[uniwarking]

Seems like the Mondo, Mobius and Mojo are priced very closely... base prices +/- $6k

[jstenger]

Mondo Update

Well I finally got a Mondo out on the water today. I am by no meens a pro surfer, boarder or skier. I am just an average Joe, and the following are just my opinions. We had 4 adults and one child in the boat, and my other son did the skiing and surfing.

First off, the lake was glass, but the weather sucked. It rained the whole time, so I didn't get any pictures or video.

Positives

I loved the helm. I believe this to be one of the best improvements. All the switches are easy to reach and nicely laid out. The new cruise is awesome. Easy to scroll through, and easy to change. Even timer settings are a breeze and easy to change. A lot of info in a small display. The boat felt a lot larger than my OBV, and the seating was very comfortable. Side Note, the wakeplate is strange. It moves from its set point when you take off. I believe it has something to do with the cruise when it is on. I need to read an owners manual to figure out why.

Negatives

As expected, the ski wake was larger than my OBV. My son had a harder time skiing slalom across the wake, even at a speed of 32mph, and wake plate full down. I was not impressed at all by the Goofy surf wake either. We tried first with the stock 400# starboard bag and 500# center tank full. We also had the two larger adults behind me on the starboard side, and my wife and son in the middle of the rear seat. The wakeplate was tried at diffferent positions between half and full up, and speeds were tried between 9 and 11 mph. The wake was not very clean. I think I needed to move people to the bow of the boat. We then tried a 750# bag in the starboard locker. Side Note, the 750# bag fits perfect in the locker, but extends into the seating area because of the added walls that cover the pumps in the back of the boat. The surf wake got quite a bit larger, but still wasn't very clean. I think that this boat is going to be like the mojo, and from what I hear, require a lot of weight in the bow.

Final

All in all, I think this is going to be a great boat, minus the skiing, once you get rid of the stock bags and add an IBS. I wish I could have done more, but the weather sucked, and everyone was cold, wet, and crabby. This was my only free day for the next few weeks, so I had to use it the best I could. I have never ridden in a Mojo or LSV, so I can only compare it to my OBV. I love my OBV for skiing, and it surfs really well with 750# bags in the rear, center bag removed, and a 650# IBS. I hope others can get out and try this boat. I am curious of what others think.

[trace]

Joe,
Thanks for the report, too bad you couldn't get pic/video, we are dying here for images...lol. We've heard from the MOJO guys that the goofy side surf can be finicky, even some of the other well known surf boats are goofy side finicky, so that's not all that surprising.

Hey Drew,
I know beggars can't be choosers, but by any chance have you checked the value of your good will balance at Atlanta Marine?

[bkearney]

Joe,
Thanks for the report, too bad you couldn't get pic/video, we are dying here for images...lol. We've heard from the MOJO guys that the goofy side surf can be finicky, even some of the other well known surf boats are goofy side finicky, so that's not all that surprising.


ok.. I will ask... why? Is it the presence of the captains chair an the in-ability to add weight there?

[brain_rinse]

I think it's more about prop rotation

[wolfeman131]

Joe,
Hey Drew,
I know beggars can't be choosers, but by any chance have you checked the value of your good will balance at Atlanta Marine?

I'm sure it's in the black, but finding time is the challenge with kid's sports and trying to squeeze as much time in on the H2O as we can before the weather turns on us.


I think it's more about prop rotation

BINGO!

[trace]

I'm sure it's in the black, but finding time is the challenge with kid's sports and trying to squeeze as much time in on the H2O as we can before the weather turns on us.

I hear you on that one. As soon as school started water time got a ton harder to find. My teenage daughter is in Color Guard, we refer to it as Killer Guard, because if they aren't competing they are practicing. We will be so glad when she gets her driver's license next month, she's running us ragged.

I was going to say the same thing regarding prop rotation being the primary reason for making goofy side finicky.

[Wax]

I think it's more about prop rotation

Did they change the prop rotation to be RH instead of LH for the Mojo and Mondo?