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kregstrong
05-20-2013, 11:40 PM
I have the gravity 3 ballast and was wondering if the fat sac 750's on the rear can just be plugged into the old hoses or does it require some modifications??

jpetty3023
05-20-2013, 11:41 PM
no mods required, plug n play directly from wakemakers


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kregstrong
05-21-2013, 03:58 PM
What if I got the package with the 2 750's and the tsunami pump, is that pump pretty simple installed or what? Anyone have a tutorial or explanation? Thanks a bunch

bjames
05-21-2013, 04:05 PM
Yup.. just plug the bags in and your good. I had 750's in my 2009 LSV and they fit perfectly. With only one side filled, the surf wake was sick.

tgoody14
05-21-2013, 04:06 PM
If you are just wanting to add the 750s in place of your stock 400s in the back then there is no need for an extra pump. If you are wanting to upgrade your factory Rule pumps... Now that's a whole different story! Like J says, its a simple plug and play exchange on the bags.... Hope this helps...

kregstrong
05-21-2013, 05:41 PM
Hey I just ordered the 2 fat sacs from boardco cause I had a 10% off coupon. But I just got an email from the wake masters guy and he was showing me the kit for moombas, does that mean the boardco fat sacs won't be plug and play?

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jpetty3023
05-21-2013, 05:46 PM
not sure about boardco bro but in 100 percent positive WakeMakers will be plug n play. they send you a bag with all the different type of fittings also. can't go wrong with WM and they will also give you at least 10 percent off your order for being a forum member


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snyderaaron
05-21-2013, 09:55 PM
I had to upgrade my fittings on my bags, but I got them used

kaneboats
05-22-2013, 09:46 AM
Going back to his original question, does he have the reversible pumps in a 2009? I can't remember what year they went to reversible. If so, he will have to reprogram after he changes bag size. Not sure why he would need the Tsunami pump in that case. On the other hand, if he's got the Rule pump system he could swap the Tsunami for one of the Rule pumps used to empty or cut a new intake and pipe it in to fill one of the 750's.

jpetty3023
05-22-2013, 10:14 PM
2009 is reversible., at least I think mine are😎🏄


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moombadaze
05-23-2013, 07:27 AM
plug and play with reversibles, reprogram the fill time to about 8 minutes before using and you should be just fine.

kaneboats
05-23-2013, 11:32 AM
There you go!

KEH
05-23-2013, 11:48 AM
How do you reprogram the fill time?

Boonejeepin
05-23-2013, 11:52 AM
How do you reprogram the fill time?

Do you have the Moomba EZ cruise or Moomba Digital Cruise Pro?

If cruise pro:
http://youtu.be/0b0Q1dhRqBU

If not let me know. I have a document for the EZ Cruise style as well.

KEH
05-23-2013, 12:06 PM
2009 LSV so I'm pretty sure it's the Perfect Pass Wakeboard Pro
Looks pretty similar to the one in the Youtube video but I am not near my boat to be able to confirm...
Either way, who knew!
All this time I have been cycling the darn switch...duh

wolfeman131
05-23-2013, 01:22 PM
2009 LSV so I'm pretty sure it's the Perfect Pass Wakeboard Pro
Looks pretty similar to the one in the Youtube video but I am not near my boat to be able to confirm...
Either way, who knew!
All this time I have been cycling the darn switch...duh

on 2009, I think it's a bit more complicated and there are some steps you have to go through with the switches they blink on/off to indicate what you're doing, etc. check the archives for your owner's manual and you may have to reach out to SC.

jpetty3023
05-23-2013, 05:59 PM
Very complicated IMO. So much so ive yet to do it

2009 Ballast System Programming
To change the fill time of the ballast:
1. Connectbatterytothewiringwiththe60ampbreaker.
2. Disconnectpowertotheballastcontrolboxbytrippingthe 60ampbreaker located by the battery.
a. This will have to be done for programming each ballast control box. (Left rear ballast, Right rear ballast, and Front ballast)
3. Resetthebreaker
4. Within5secondsofresettingthebreaker;toggletheballa stswitch(ofthefilltime you want to change) FILL-OFF-DRAIN-OFF- FILL-OFF
a. StopwiththeswitchtoggledtoFILL.
b. Thiswillenterballastcontrolboxintoprogrammingmode.
c. When the ballast control box goes into programming mode the
pump will quit turning on.
5. TheLEDontheballastswitchwillblinktoshowcurrentfill time.
a. Whencountingblinkswaitforthesecondblinkcycleaftert he
pause, blinking starts as soon as reprogramming has started and it
is easy to miss the first few blinks.
b. Refertothetimingcharttodeterminethecurrentfilltime basedon
the number of blinks.
6. ToADDTIMEtothefilltime
a. To add 30 secs, turn ballast switch to FILL then OFF.
b. NumberofblinkswillincreasebyoneeachtimetheFILL-OFFis
toggled.
c. Add remaining number of toggles of FILL - OFF to get the desired
number of blinks from the timing chart.
d. End with the switch toggled to FILL to count the blinks.
7. ToREMOVETIMEfromthefilltime.
a. Toremove30secs,turntoOFFthenDRAIN
b. NumberofblinksdecreasesbyoneeachtimetheDRAIN-OFFis
toggled.
c. Add the remaining number of toggles of DRAIN - OFF to get the
desired number of blinks from the timing chart.
d. End with the switch toggled to FILL to count the blinks.
8. Whencountingblinkswaitforsecondblinkcycleafterthep ause,blinking starts as soon as reprogramming has started and it is easy to miss the first few.
9. Whencorrectblinksareobtained,switchtoOFFandwait10s econdsto allow program to be set. This will now be stored in the AI unit.


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jpetty3023
05-23-2013, 05:59 PM
TIMING CHART

Blinks
Time (minutes)
Blinks
Time (minutes)
1
2
14
8.5
2
2.5
15
9
3
3
16
9.5
4
3.5
17
10
5
4
18
10.5
6
4.5
19
11
7
5
20
11.5
8
5.5
21
12
9
6
22
12.5
10
6.5
23
13
11
7
24
13.5
12
7.5
25
14
13
8
ETC
20 max
Rear bags All boats = 4.5 minutes of fill time = 6 blinks LS split tank = 2 minutes each side = 1 blink
Front bags
Moomba
1) Outback V = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks 2) LS / LSV = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks 3) XLV = 4 minutes of fill time = 5 blinks
Supra
1) 20 SSV = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks
2) 21V=4minutesoffilltime=5blinks
3) 22 SSV Walk-Thru = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks 4) 22 SSV Play-pen = 4 minutes of fill time = 5 blinks 5) 24 SSV Walk-Thru = 3 minutes of fill time = 3 blinks 6) 24 SSV Play-pen = 11 minutes of fill time = 19 blinks



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jpetty3023
05-23-2013, 06:05 PM
17287


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Boonejeepin
05-23-2013, 08:00 PM
My boat requires the switch/blink trick.

Not hard to do after the first time.

kregstrong
05-23-2013, 08:14 PM
My boat requires the switch/blink trick.

Not hard to do after the first time.

What's the switch blink trick?

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Boonejeepin
05-23-2013, 08:41 PM
I was referring to the process that jpetty posted.

kregstrong
05-23-2013, 08:46 PM
That was confusing lol. Hopefully I can just program it with the perfect pass

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wolfeman131
05-23-2013, 10:05 PM
That was confusing lol. Hopefully I can just program it with the perfect pass

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Nope. PP isn't tied to the ballast. They are independent systems. On a 2009, you have to follow the step petty posted.

kregstrong
05-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Dang there is seriously no other way to get the bags full?

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wolfeman131
05-23-2013, 10:41 PM
Sure, there are other ways - get a tsunami pump, throw it over the side and fill the bag. Unplug when its full.

tgoody14
05-24-2013, 11:45 AM
Is this (reprograming the fill time) just an issue on the 2009+ models?
Or will I need to do something like this on my 08 with the 1100lb bags??

kregstrong
05-24-2013, 11:54 AM
Can I just keep flipping the switch to get it to fill or will it just quit and not go over 400 gallons?

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mmandley
05-24-2013, 11:56 AM
Is this (reprograming the fill time) just an issue on the 2009+ models?
Or will I need to do something like this on my 08 with the 1100lb bags??

If you have the Tsunami pumps then yes you have to do this untill 12 when Moomba went to the electronic dash displays. Then its as simple as going in the menu and changing your fill / drain time.

If you have the standard areator pumps then no you wont change anything as these are not timed pumps

tgoody14
05-24-2013, 12:07 PM
If you have the standard areator pumps then no you wont change anything as these are not timed pumps

Awesome, thanks Mike

mmandley
05-24-2013, 12:10 PM
Can I just keep flipping the switch to get it to fill or will it just quit and not go over 400 gallons?

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Yes you can keep flipping the switch, Even with my newer timer settings my timers will say the bag is empty or full and its not.

Just fkip switch to off and back on the pumps will turn on again for 30 seconds to 1 minute. Rinse and Repeat till your bag is full or empty. Little more time consuming but it works LOL.

wolfeman131
05-24-2013, 12:21 PM
Is this (reprograming the fill time) just an issue on the 2009+ models?
Or will I need to do something like this on my 08 with the 1100lb bags??

yes, programming only required on 2009+


Can I just keep flipping the switch to get it to fill or will it just quit and not go over 400 gallons?


yes, on a 2009 you can do that, but that's sort of a PITA.

KEH
05-24-2013, 02:42 PM
How many minutes to program to fill 1100 lb bags?

moombadaze
05-24-2013, 04:09 PM
How many minutes to program to fill 1100 lb bags?


about 11.5 minutes would be a good base time

KEH
05-24-2013, 04:18 PM
Great thanks
I suppose that timing will need to be adjusted when I am using the X-Link system to fill one bag when using both pumps?
6 minute run time then?

mmandley
05-24-2013, 06:47 PM
Great thanks
I suppose that timing will need to be adjusted when I am using the X-Link system to fill one bag when using both pumps?
6 minute run time then?

OK now your opening a can of Worms Mr.

This is the issue i deal with my X Link.

Think about this, the timer system is strickly an ON OFF system. It has no way to Calculate the actuall amount of water in a bag.

You hit the water,

Boat is empty,

You have to fill 1 bag the old fasion way because X link is bag to bag, not Lake to Bag.
So the timer has to be set for enough time to Fill the first bag.

Then you switch to the other side,

Full bag is draining on its own pump, timer is happy.
Empty Bag is filling on its own pump, timer is happy.

Now you introduce X Link pump to the mix.

Full bag is now draining 2xs the speed but the timer doesnt know this.
Empty bag is now filling 2xs the speed but the timer doesnt know this.

Basically on my dash that shows % full of each bag. My Empty bag shows 50% and my Full bag shows 50%

So now im back to ON and Off with the Switch to make things work..X Link really screws with the timers.

So i have set my bag timers to 20 minutes, and i ignore the Dash read out and listen to the pump for when its running dry.

I honestly HATE HATE HATE the Dam timers, id rather risk buying impellers LOL.

KEH
05-24-2013, 08:04 PM
Oh geez this is getting complicated...
Wakemakers sold me on the idea of the X-Link with the claim that I could fill my 1100's twice as fast by starting to fill both bags and then using the X-Link once there was enough water to start transferring from the "non surf" side.
However they did not mention anything about the ballast timers and what might work best
I don't have the dash % guages in my 2009 system, so in the past I would usually check the bags as they fill/drain, cycling the switches as required.
Sounds like I will still be doing the same thing and will just have to decide on what ballast timing works best for me?

mmandley
05-24-2013, 08:08 PM
Oh geez this is getting complicated...
Wakemakers sold me on the idea of the X-Link with the claim that I could fill my 1100's twice as fast by starting to fill both bags and then using the X-Link once there was enough water to start transferring from the "non surf" side.
However they did not mention anything about the ballast timers and what might work best
I don't have the dash % guages in my 2009 system, so in the past I would usually check the bags as they fill/drain, cycling the switches as required.
Sounds like I will still be doing the same thing and will just have to decide on what ballast timing works best for me?

I would set the timers to a time that Fills the bag completly. I think your timers are set up that they only shut off is the pump for X amount of time, mine shut off when the % reads 100 or 0.

If yours only cares about X amount of run time then the X Link will still work as intended with no real issues, you will just need to pay attention when draining bags so you dont run the pumps dry for too long a period

wolfeman131
05-25-2013, 12:00 AM
And upgrade the impellers in your ballast pumps to the green ones

aapwayneo2001
01-14-2015, 08:42 AM
I know this is an OLD thread but it had the best info but one other ??, can you reprogram out of the water with no problems?