2013 LSV ballast options

[tnbrooks01]

With the new boat coming the wife is insistent on getting all the extra sacks out of the floor. My thinking is, cool lets fill all the storage with bags then take my extra sacks and put them in the floor and really weight this thing down!

So my understanding is stock ballast is 1800? With 2-650s in the back and a 450 hard tank in the middle. That only = 1750 but that's not what I'm concerned with.

With the new changes to the dropped rubber floor, will the stock bags in the back slide forward under those seats and then put 2 bigger bags beside the motor?

I'm trying to use up what I currently have as extra bags so I'll have more cash to mess around with prop changes etc...

First thing is prop: starting with 1433

Bags if it will work:
800s in the back, slide the stock (650s?) rear bags forward under seats (not sure if shape will work), 450 hard tank in the middle and plumb the IBS off of that.

That still leaves me with a couple of 550lb bags as extras for the floor. Obviously we don't necessarily need that much weight for my son to ride but we do ride with a bunch of Outlaw/ Expert riders that would like to see a beefier wake.

[mmandley]

This is a picture of my Mojo compartment but the LSV is the same. You can add the larger bags to the rear, and then slide the 650s up in front of that. The new compartments have no restictions. I dont think the 650 is the best choice for this. They will deff pop the cusions and might also add too much side pressure to the fiberglass.

On my 08 i removed the cooler and ran my 450 bag in there and it bulged the fiberglass due to no mounting brackets.
The 13 i didnt look for renforments on the side panels.

If you plan to run sacks in this area i would look into getting a pair of 400 blags from Fligh High like the 08 LSV had or do what i did and look into the Sump 450 sacks, as they are designed and shaped for this application.

Are you planning to add a Y valve to the center tank pump? Im curious how you plan to tie off this pump? I am having a IBS installed as well and im going with a full seperate system of pump, timer, and switch so its factory looking.

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[tnbrooks01]

Cool I have stock 400s now as extras in my garage. If those will fit better I may use those instead.

As for the IBS, I know I'm going to add one but I haven't decided yet. I'm still researching/learning about options. I like the idea of keeping everything separate but can't think of a time when ill need to fill only the bow sack. Other than cosmetics is there a preference for one way or the other.

[mmandley]

Cool I have stock 400s now as extras in my garage. If those will fit better I may use those instead.

As for the IBS, I know I'm going to add one but I haven't decided yet. I'm still researching/learning about options. I like the idea of keeping everything separate but can't think of a time when ill need to fill only the bow sack. Other than cosmetics is there a preference for one way or the other.

Great on the 400s, im thinking you wont get much more in the 650s anyhow LOL.

As for the IBS no i dont think there is any difference then cosmentic. Honestly id be in the same position your in but part of my deal to by my boat was the dealer is redoing my ballast. AWS is trying to get into balalst systems and this is there first boat. So i said add my IBS for free and ill do a write up and talk about it to people when i can LOL.

[moombadaze]

couple answer

Reusing your 650's--Yes but the stock bags are way to big for the space and really only can get about 200-300lbs under the seats-flyhigh has a bag that will fit much better under the seats

Go for the flyhigh 1100lb bags for the rear-fits nicely, but as for the port side, the pumps and panel intrude about a little over a foot into the space, if you want maximum ballast you will want to move them, good part is you wont have to buy anything to do this other than some carpet for the rear

just add the IBS off the infloor tank-super simple and keeps from adding another pump and wires-that and there is no room for a dedicate switch on the panel, so you would have this one oddball switch off to the side.

[mmandley]

I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch not doing anything but taking up space. This used to be the Heater switch but the new 13s mount the heater on the side panel in front of the throttle.

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[moombadaze]

I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch not doing anything but taking up space.


Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.

so I now have a reversible pump to get rid of also as I just piggybacked it off the infloor tank.

[tnbrooks01]

So do I understand correctly that I could just add the IBS andfill it off the vent from hard tank and then vent the IBS to the through hull?

Would it be the same procedure to just piggy back the other 2 bags off the big ones in the back?

Then adjust the timers to get a better reading of fill percentage?

[mmandley]

Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.

so I now have a reversible pump to get rid of also as I just piggybacked it off the infloor tank.

Thats just obsered the Mojo has an extra switch and the LSV doesnt LOL.

[wolfeman131]

So do I understand correctly that I could just add the IBS andfill it off the vent from hard tank and then vent the IBS to the through hull?

Would it be the same procedure to just piggy back the other 2 bags off the big ones in the back?

Then adjust the timers to get a better reading of fill percentage?

Todd,

You have it correct. I wrote up how I did the ballast on my Mojo. Daze helped and then used this as the model for his with the addition of moving the pumps which I didn't need to do. It makes for a very simply upgrade that doesn't require any extra pumps, switches or cutting holes in your boat.

The only item I might do differently than written up was to use a simple, spring check valve on the IBS vent vs the one from wakemakers as the that one seems to prevent the hard tank from draining 100%.

Adjusting the timers is a simple procedure that should be outlined in your Owner's Manual.

[wolfeman131]

I beg to differ on the Switch. I have an Ass switch

What kind of option is an "Ass" switch?

That must be one special Mojo you got.

[wolfeman131]

Well, I ordered a pump and switch to use for my IBS-quess what, there is no open spots on my LSV's dash.


Curious as to what switches you do have, Daze? I took this pic at the Dealer's Meeting when the new LSV was unveiled and it looks like an ACC switch to the left of the port ballast switch. Wonder if they did a redesign prior to release or if one of the options you ordered took that spot?

FWIW, I think adding a dedicated pump to the IBS is overkill, especially if you plan to run the 1,100's (or more) in the rear. I can't imagine when you would want to run bow weight without the center also filled and those combined (IBS @ 650 & center @ 450) will take the same time to fill as the 1,100 so you won't gain any overall efficiency. The only scenario I see where you would want it seperate would be if you had newbies/younger riders and wanted to only go 1/2 way all around and wanted some bow weight to lengthen a surf wave.

[moombadaze]

Curious as to what switches you do have, Daze? I took this pic at the Dealer's Meeting when the new LSV was unveiled and it looks like an ACC switch to the left of the port ballast switch. Wonder if they did a redesign prior to release or if one of the options you ordered took that spot?

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Just remembered why, the bow lights and thats why I have no open switch's

[moombadaze]

What kind of option is an "Ass" switch?
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yeh, im wondering about that option now too

[wolfeman131]

Just remembered why, the bow lights and thats why I have no open switch's

there ya go. I couldn't figure that out as I'm pretty certain the 2013 LSV and Mojo have the same dash & glovebox layout.

[dusty2221]

Someone flipped my "Ass" Switch years ago and I haven't been able to turn it off since.

[mmandley]

Hey im just keeping this thread moving one "ASS" at a time LOL

[lewisb13]

How are you going to get the IBS to empty if you have it piggy backed off the hard tank? Whichever leg of the ibs you don't have he drain/fill hose connected to isn't going to drain.

[wolfeman131]

How are you going to get the IBS to empty if you have it piggy backed off the hard tank? Whichever leg of the ibs you don't have he drain/fill hose connected to isn't going to drain.

Not with a check valve in the vent line. My IBS drains 100% just off the one leg w/ the reversible pump. Looks like a big, blue raisin when it's empty.

[lewisb13]

Wowzers. I never thought in a million years that pump would be able to lift the excess water up and around the front of the boat to get it to whichever side the fill/drain line is on, from alllllll the way in he back of the boat. That's impressive.

[wolfeman131]

yep, it works great and makes the add of an IBS a relatively easy mod. Check out what Moombadaze has done in his 2013 LSV so you can see exactly how you can set up your boat.

[Derrick]

We have a 2014 LSV and are looking at upgrading the rear locker bags to either 900's or 1,100's. My concern is that the 1,100's wont be fully utilized do to the compartment sizing being less than the 24" tall and less than 50" long full height (I am measuring between 20"-22" tall) and I would be better off going with the 900's from the start. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I was also thinking about different ways to piggy back a smaller bag in front of the locker bags under the port side seats. I feel like I have read about guys doing that on this site but cannot find the thread that talks about how guys did it. With that, I would think that it would also be possible to put a ball valve in the line to the additional bag to be able to turn it on and off as needed. Please let me know if anyone can point me in the right direction. I would really appreciate it.

[moombadaze]

thoughts---1100 for the rears, mine fills the compartment fully, the lid will pop open, don't now if the 900's will do that as I never tried.

you can piggy back the under seat bag off the rear bag, just be prepared for a long, long fill time. I ran this set up for a summer, add a Tee fitting and run the hose up to the under seat bag with a ball valve at the bag end of the hose, don't add a vent as once its full all the water then goes into the rear 1100 bag.

[Derrick]

Thanks for the good info. I like the tee option a lot. Did the system have any issues draining? I am assuming that you stopped running the setup this way. Was the added time not worth the wait?

With the 1,100s, do you fill the drivers side bag at all when you surf port side? Do you run any additional weight other than the 1,100 and ibs on the port side? What speed do you like to run when surfing?

[moombadaze]

no issues draining at all, went with a 4th pump to fill the under seat as the time to fill and empty was to long

my normal surf set up

400 in floor tank
650 ibs
1100 port rear
wake plate up 3/4
run about 10.5 mph

my heavy weight set up
the above +
550 across the bow seats
275 under the port seat
400 starboard rear locker

[Derrick]

Wow! Can you post pictures of your normal wake and heavy wake?

Thanks again for the info.

[moombadaze]

Can do, will try to remember next time out, but that wont be for 2 weeks

[Derrick]

Has anyone installed the Straight Line Sumo Jr V Sac (450 lbs) under the port side seats? Is there enough room or does it pop the cushions up and/or bow the walls out? We are considering adding this and plumbing it in from the rear lockers.