Exile vs. Wetsounds

[E4NASH]

So, rather than hijack someone else's thread I figured I'd just start a new one.

Seems like there are a lot of guys that are going Exile. I've been involved in car audio ever since I was 15 years old and before I joined the Moomba board I had never heard of them. How do they compare to Wetsounds on Price and Performance? Has anyone had both or have experience with both? I'd really like some good information no homer opinions please. That sounds kinda harsh but I don't mean it to. However, A good debate between either would be interesting. I'm always interested in updating my audio and since it appears that Exile has such a good rep, at least around here, and is such a big contributor to the board I feel like I should see what all the hype's about and consider them for some off season projects that I may have. I have had the intention of just going all Wetsounds but options are good...just keep it Exile vs. Wetsounds.


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[wolfeman131]

I'd really like some good information no homer opinions please.

Good luck finding that here. You're better off asking this on WakeWorld.

[jmvotto]

Dusty and kg have competing brands on their respective rides. The should have good comparisons.

I am biased as I have only heard one brand.

David fom earmark will chime in since he sells both.

Ww has lots of Info on both, but you may get the answer after 10 pages of crap, most like look like a BU vs CC thread

[wolfeman131]

Dusty and kg have competing brands on their respective rides. The should have good comparisons.


David fom earmark will chime in since he sells both.


I agree that I'd be most interested in Dusty & KG's thoughts as they have run their systems side-by-side.

[beat taco]

I wasn't on the forum much when I researched my system. I would google search something and read anything from Malibu to Centurion boards. I honestly found much more positive feedback on Wet Sounds. There wasn't negative feedback on Exile, there just seemed to be less people posting about it. Could this be because there are probably a lot more wake boats in Texas then Oregon? Who knows.
The biggest mistake I made was thinking some guy in my own backyard from the yuppy town of Lake Oswego couldn't compete with the big boys in Texas. I took the Wet Sounds road, since then Exile systems have continued to impress me. Obviously here is where the debate starts and I'll bow out. I do see Exile in my future!


-Jake

[E4NASH]

Ww has lots of Info on both, but you may get the answer after 10 pages of crap, most like look like a BU vs CC thread

That is EXACTLY why I don't go over there anymore. Simplest questions or statements turn into auditions for Douche bag and Jack A$$ of the year.

Ok so well then what are your opinions based on your experience with Exile? I just didn't want a bunch of folks chiming in saying ones the best and then another guy chiming in saying no these are the best etc.. I just want opinions and then I guess why YOU feel that way.

I have the stock Kickers, a pair of Wetsounds Pro 60s which you can barely hear at wakeboard length (pushed by the Kicker ZXM 350.2). They are loud in close but are not clear or clean enough for me. I upgraded the stock 10 inch sub.

If I was going to Exile I'd go the 6 in-boats package with the 800.4, the 800 watt sub package with the 1500.1 and DVC 12, and for the tower was thinking the Harpoon and a pair of XM9s and a pair of the SXT65s or whatever if possible. I don't want 6 speakers on the tower and I'd really like to be able to hear the tunes pretty well at wakeboard length. I know I'll be able to hear it at surf length. I figured that would be the best of both.

Not exactly sure on the Wetsounds...maybe the 3Some setup or Rev 8s on the SYN6 for the tower, 3 pairs of XS650s on the SYN4 for the cabin, and a SYN2 powering a XS12 or XS-XXX.

Thoughts on that?



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[E4NASH]

I must say that I was REALLY impressed by the video Mike posted last year with him walking away from his boat and it just was SOOOOOO LOUD, CLEAN, and CLEAR. Sounded pretty much the same the further back he went. Impressed would be an understatement.


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[wolfeman131]

After your last 2 posts, I'm not really sure why you even started this thread? Reads like you're already sold.

[jmvotto]

E, I have 4 xm9 powered by the harpoon, these really rip, surf loud and clear not to harsh, wake board length no problem hearing them loud and clear with great mid bass. I have 3 pairs of the Sx65 m powered by a my factory kicker 700.5 plus the 12xi dvc power by the kicker at 420 wts. The in boats and sub sound good but I have them underpowered , an 800.4 and 1500.1 will be added to optimally power those speakers. I was warned of this but it gets the job done on the in boats.
I know it's loud when I had the girls boarding and passed another boat couple hundred yards away and they started dancing.

With the nines on my V2 tower I really don't need In boats , the more you push the harpoon the better it sounds.

Construction is solid, only complaints I heard in the past was non ss screws, which I believe was corrected and the exposed baskets on the 6.5 and the subs..

I had a ws 420 eq on my old boat and I liked that as well, ws customer service was great as is Exiles.

Check these out.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?17105-I-have-been-Exiled!!!/page2&highlight=exiled
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?17934-Custom-sub-box-mount-pics./page2&highlight=Exile

Video not mine but it sold me.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=youtube%20exile%20audio&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEkQtwIwBg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2bd JAmonPWw&ei=oiBIUJD4JNKL0QHej4CQBg&usg=AFQjCNF8ha00Pg5bRvRCY0f6oZ-Ik4V3UA


You really can't go wrong either way, just price them out and which looks better to your eye.

[E4NASH]

After your last 2 posts, I'm not really sure why you even started this thread? Reads like you're already sold.

I'm really not...just Mike's vid was the only Exile system I have ever heard. Their website was also much more helpful in designing a system. Their package bundles make it pretty easy. The Wetsounds, I have heard good things about them and when I have contacted them their customer service was EXCELLENT. Not that Exile's isn't either. It also helps that they are an OEM supplier for a few brands so in my mind that builds some confidence in them seeing as they aren't supplying some entry level series. It's the same speakers that get bought up to be put in aftermarket. I also have a pair of their speakers already even if they aren't the best ones for their application. But hey they came with the boat, if I was going to buy the tower speakers I would've went with a different series.

Quality...Construction quality and sound quality are the most important factors in my decision...

[KG's Supra24]

Based on what I have heard, at the end of the day, I'd be happy with either mine or Dusty's system. Both sound great and to my amateur ear, they are both quality sound coming from the tower.

I believe from a factual standpoint, the overall quality goes to wetsounds. ex: stainless everything, i believe larger gauge wiring?, amp topology, amp size.

However, pricewise the win probably goes to Exile. Just depends on your exact system setup likely.

[dusty2221]

Quality...Construction quality and sound quality are the most important factors in my decision...

My reply is based upon this statement. From what I have seen on KG's boat and my boat, both are top notch in both areas. IMO, they both also had a few small issues. I won't pretend I know the ins and outs of each to determine the quality of components, I'll leave that up to the experts.

You need to determine your budget, if possible hear them both, and then decide on what suits you best. There are deals to be had with either brand. Both companies provide great customer service, which is a plus.

[KG's Supra24]

A couple pics never hurt in the decision making process :)

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i401/kwgarner24/DSC_0110.jpg

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i401/kwgarner24/DSC_0169.jpg

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i401/kwgarner24/108_0282.jpg

[Riding23]

Personally I dont think you can go wrong with either! I currently have a pair of Rev 10's and a REV410 in the middle and I love the set up but have heard Exile set ups that sound amazing too! All comes down to budget and make sure you dont slack on powering them or its not going to matter what you get!!

[ian ashton]

Full disclosure; I have Exile equipment in my boat, and absolutely love it. I've never purchased or owned any WetSounds equipment



We just went through this discussion before ordering the equipment for Chase's LSV.


The way I see it, as said before; Do you honestly think that you'll be able to tell a difference at 75' and 20 MPH between the #1 and #2 speaker? I don't. And that's not to say that Exile is #2, and WetSounds is #1, that was just an example.

What sold (and continues to sell) me on Exile is the value for your dollar.

I put this chart together when we were making decisions on which speaker was best for our application, and it fits pretty well here;
https://forum.moomba.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16043&d=1346945296

So, both speakers are excellent, we've already determined that. WetSounds is absolutely a more recognizable name, and you are paying for that. The Exile warranty is better, and I like being unique. There are 9 boats at my marina with WS tower speakers, and only 1 (so far ;) ) with Exile.

[ian ashton]

The 'X' in my chart was just because that was the speaker that we were considering, I added the Rev8 just for comparison sake.

[mmandley]

I wont even read this thread.

Moderators please close and lock it before it becomes the Typical Exile - Wet Sounds HATE thread. Nothing good will come of this thread LOL.

[KG's Supra24]

I wont even read this thread.

Moderators please close and lock it before it becomes the Typical Exile - Wet Sounds HATE thread. Nothing good will come of this thread LOL.

It has stayed on course pretty good so far and hopefully will continue to do so. Please do not lock this thread.

[KG's Supra24]

Ian, love the excel. Use it all day, everyday.

Nash, Ian brings up some good points. Consider accessories that are important to you as well ... swivel clamps, LEDs, speaker covers, etc.

The quality issues I had were one (maybe a couple? honestly cant remember) bolt being too long to properly tighten the clamp to the tower. I also had one bolt that was too long to properly tighten the speaker to the clamp. The only other issue I had was a speaker cover zipper busting on me which was replaced within a few days.

Mike is right, these threads can turn ugly quick bc we all have pride in our gear, hell look what we spent but it would be nice to get some open dialogue going.

Other wetsounds and exile guys: what minor/major issues have you ran into or needed replaced? Whether it be speakers, amps, clamps, covers, LEDs, etc. How are all these holding up?

[EarmarkMarine]

A basic price per feature comparison assumes that all quality and performances are the same and is overly simplistic as an objective analysis. That doesn't take into consideration build quality differences. For example, there is no question that a polished cast stainless steel collar is more expensive to build than a chrome clad cast aluminum collar and is also more durable in resisting the elements. IMO, both tower speaker products have value at their respective pricing but obvious cost/feature benefit comparisons are invalid as they only tell a small part of the story.
Most Ford owners are highly biased and not qualified to evaluate a Chevy product with the inverse also being true. Each manufacturer is obviously very effective in representing their own product because that is their only proposition and they MUST be effective....but are not at all qualified to speak about their competitors product.
Its nice when a owner compliments his own possessions but the conversation takes a different path when commenting on a competing product that they know little about. I hate when these type of threads take that direction.

David
Earmark Marine

[mfogt]

I am personally enjoying the thread. I bought my new 2012 LSV this year with much excitement as my 2004 I sold had 2004 equipment and needed replaced. I am trying to understand how much better the Exile or Wetsounds stuff sounds for the serious coin being spent. I used to compete in car audio, but have been out of that for about 17 years when I started having other priorities and less disposable income. When I ordered my boat I had the slightly upgraded 6 speaker system with amp put in and did not go with the subwoofer as I questioned how good could it be in a boat? and passed on Tower Speakers with my poor quality/worn out experience from by 2004. After ordering I did decide to have my dealer add Tower Speakers partly for the look and partly because it would be a single cost to justify later(roll it into the total package). I went with an Aerial Can with the JL 7.7's powered by another Kicker 300.2 amp. I love the look of them and think they sound good, but admittedly don't get many chances to truly turn them up as my family(wife, 4/6/8 year old) think it is too loud when I do. Not sure about the amp, but do think the Speakers were a good value(about $500/pair)

Would love hear mine next to some of these Wetsounds/Exile systems to see how much16044 I am missing.

[E4NASH]

I don't want this to be a brand bashing thread. Like KG said I just would like some open dialogue about the two. No need for someone to get their board shorts in a twist because someone else likes something else. I just want to know what people like and dislike about each and why they decided to go one way vs the other. Thread seems to be going well so far, as I expected because this isn't WW.

Keep it comin'!


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[kaneboats]

Wetsounds sucks!!!!! Exile! Exile! Exile!

[kaneboats]

Hey, I'm just kidding you know. You gotta hear 'em yourself and decide. See who wants to make you a deal and all. Good luck!

[ian ashton]

Would love hear mine next to some of these Wetsounds/Exile systems to see how much I am missing.

I'll be on Torch Lake with an Exile equipped Moomba all weekend - kind of on your side of the state :)

[ga-lsv05]

Just out of curiosity, I haven't heard either. Are those the only 2 brands that are worth while? I've had liquid audio/polks on my tower the whole time.

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[wolfeman131]

Not at all.

There are many others such as JL, Skylon, Kicker, Polk, Rockford Fosgate. All of these are OEM in different boats. Wetsounds is also an OEM product in some boats.

[ga-lsv05]

Both exile and wetsounds seem to be incredibly expensive! I would certainly have to hear some in person before purchasing

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[KG's Supra24]

They are the two main players that seem to be left in the HLCD game. HLCD speakers are pricier than your standard coaxial by a good bit.

[ga-lsv05]

So if my boat is primarily used for surfing, an hcld wouldn't be ideal as they are designed to produce the best sound at 70-80 ft. What would be an ideal "surf" speaker?

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[philwsailz]

So if my boat is primarily used for surfing, an hcld wouldn't be ideal as they are designed to produce the best sound at 70-80 ft. What would be an ideal "surf" speaker?

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It depends on who's HLCD you are using. I know of one that sounds really smooth at surf distance, yet has the oomph to get to the end of a rope too. It all comes down to engineering and getting the horn geometry right, and then designing a crossover that blends the mid properly with the horn and horn driver.

Phil
Kicker

[ga-lsv05]

It depends on who's HLCD you are using. I know of one that sounds really smooth at surf distance, yet has the oomph to get to the end of a rope too. It all comes down to engineering and getting the horn geometry right, and then designing a crossover that blends the mid properly with the horn and horn driver.

Phil
Kicker

I think a trial would be in order. I am willing to purchase and try out anyone's setup if I'm unhappy I'd like to be able to return them in a timely fashion ofcourse and in the condition that I received them. I would be willing to pay shipping to and from for said test.

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[dusty2221]

Exile offers exactly what you are looking for, or at least they used to. Brian could answer if he still does this.

[philwsailz]

I think a trial would be in order. I am willing to purchase and try out anyone's setup if I'm unhappy I'd like to be able to return them in a timely fashion ofcourse and in the condition that I received them. I would be willing to pay shipping to and from for said test.

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Get with a local KICKER retailer then and arrange it. I would be thrilled to help you find one if you like. Actually, there is a guy fairly close, Mike's Liquid Audio is one who frequents the boat audio forums and he is a KICKER dealer.


Know that whatever arrangement you make is between you and the dealer. I am on the forums as a contributor to help make everyone's gear sound good but the KICKER authorized dealer is your real asset, as they are often local, and have the knowledge and the customer service to back up the gear after the sale.

Phil
Kicker

[ga-lsv05]

Since the recession, all local audio shops have closed. Only chain stores remain. Best buy and such. I'd rather deal with a smaller dealer someone who Cares about customer satisfaction

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[philwsailz]

Since the recession, all local audio shops have closed. Only chain stores remain. Best buy and such. I'd rather deal with a smaller dealer someone who Carr's about customer satisfaction

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Mike's Liquid Audio for sure then. He is a boat audio and ballast specialist.

Phil
Kicker

[sandm]

mikes can hook you up with kicker, but I believe he does not sell exile anymore and he does not have an internet agreement to sell wetsounds to you unless you are local.

phil is correct on the customer service aspect. I bought my ballast bag from him a few weeks ago. he knew that I wanted it prior to the weekend, but it was not going to arrive. I don't know what he did, but got it across the us in 2 days and didn't charge me any extra. stand up guy...

[MLA]

To the OP or anyone fallowing along:

Go demo the product, period! Taking input from owners is just a part of, but keep in mind, that all owners have goggles, and they deserve to. Seek out the unbiased opinion of your local Exile and Wet Sounds dealer/installer and stop in and talk with them. Ask them about the products quality. Ask them about the level of customer service they receive from each manufacturer. Look over the products and above all, listen to the speakers. Ask them about the amplifier technology that each manufacturer offers. Is it high efficient Class-D or G/H in their full-range amps, or is it old-school power-hungry Class-A/B.

If you are able to do an apples to apples sound quality comparison, with input from an installer that has knowledge and experience with all products involved, then you get to walk out of the door knowing you made the right choice for you, the first time. No need to to worry about installing all the gear wondering if its going to meet your expectations.

[MLA]

Since the recession, all local audio shops have closed. Only chain stores remain. Best buy and such. I'd rather deal with a smaller dealer someone who Cares about customer satisfaction

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As Sandm stated, I am no longer an Exile dealer. I felt a need to part company with them the end of last year for a number of unfortunate reasons. A am a Kicker and Wet Sounds dealer and keep quite a bit of the gear on display for demo's. I know that Newnan Ga is a bit of a drive from Charlotte NC, but of you going to ever be coming through the area, my shop is 5 minutes off I85. I would love to demo some gear for you. In any case, Im more then happy to answer any questions you may have anything stereo.

There are other HLCD options, in addition the two brands mentioned here. The Kicker KM6500.2 6-pod setup with a 1000W rms to it a strong contender. If getting a demo is going to be very tough due to lack of dealers/installers, then I would be willing to talk with you about doing a 30-day trade-up.

Thanks for the honorable mention Phil and Scott.

[ga-lsv05]

I'll be contacting you shortly.

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[sandm]

Anytime mike. Thanks for all the advice you gave me. Need to get the rest ofmy ballast stuff ordered. Will be intouch soon.

[New Guy]

Here is the Kicker 6500 system with the extra mids that I installed.
https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?15895-My-humble-stereo/page4&highlight=humble+stereo

Now I can't keep up with the big boys but it still rips.

[EarmarkMarine]

I think as a direct competitor of Mikes Liquid Audio (even though we are in different parts of the country) and as a 35 + year veteran of the mobile electronics industry, my opinion is worth something. I highly recommend Mike.

David
Earmark Marine

[wolfeman131]

my opinion is worth something.

yeah, whadda ya think it's worth? $0.05, $1 or is it PRICELESS? :D

do we have a new bromance brewing on the Moomba board?

[MLA]

E4Nash and GA-LSV05,

Contact Chris @ AVC Marine in Buford GA. He might be able to help you guys with a demo and answer any and all questions.

[EarmarkMarine]

yeah, whadda ya think it's worth? $0.05, $1 or is it PRICELESS? :D

do we have a new bromance brewing on the Moomba board?

You mean like we're both Scientologists or something? Sorry, no scoop yet.

[wolfeman131]

How much beer did they have that day.

AH-HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

The great mystery of the high end audio variances has finally been uncovered!

Time to close the thread and delete all future ones.

[E4NASH]

A brand pissing match was NOT my intention...oh well. I will have to hear it myself to make my decisions and I suppose if I can't hear it that will make my decision a little easier...

Tim, thanks PM sent.


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[beat taco]

This is a great thread! Seems like a lot of respect from everyone, please keep it going.

I didn't want to junk it up but since I'm here...the JL 7.7's are great too!


-Jake

[ga-lsv05]

I'd be happy to do a side by side comparison.

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[ga-lsv05]

A brand pissing match was NOT my intention...oh well. I will have to hear it myself to make my decisions and I suppose if I can't hear it that will make my decision a little easier...

Tim, thanks PM sent.


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The thread title says exactly that a brand match. :eek:

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[wolfeman131]

this is a thread from earlier in the year when I got to visit Earmark.

https://forum.moomba.com/showthread.php?17218-Visit-to-Earmark-Marine-Audio&highlight=earmark

I absolutely LOVED being able to hear for myself the differences between the speakers. I know this was a controlled environment versus outside & on the boat, but at least I knew the variables and that it was a level playing field.

[KG's Supra24]

On a positive note, nash, seems like my problems were the only issues anyone here has seen with either brands gear :rolleyes:

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[KG's Supra24]

The thread title says exactly that a brand match. :eek:

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The thread is for fishing, the title is the bait :D

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[wolfeman131]

Has anyone had both or have experience with both?

I'd really like some good information no homer opinions please.

OK, before this goes too far off track, please review the OP's original post.

Please - maufacturers, dealers, installers and those that can't keep this nice . . .

NO REPLYING

to this thread!


that kinda makes me feel like that Soup Nazi dude from Seinfeld.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/satanschoice/sein_soup_nazi.jpg

[ga-lsv05]

Seems to be a legitimate conversation thus far.

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[wolfeman131]

Yep, it is.

Let's keep it that way.

[sandm]

I'd be curious to know why someone sticks to a single brand for everything?

most every mobile audio vendor out there makes good stuff, but I have yet to see a company that excells at every category from subs, amps, tower speakers, conventional "in boat" speakers, hu's and wiring.
brand "x" makes good stuff, but great tower speakers, and brand "Y" makes amazing subs but good tower speakers, why the loyalty to a single brand?

it's not like they are paying us to install it(in most cases :) )...

[ga-lsv05]

Let's arrange to meet at this place and make an educated decision

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[KG's Supra24]

Sandm, i could be wrong but i believe each brand has its own "style" or its optimum range may tuned a little different than another.

Dustys boat has a more unison sound than mine does. Of course running and amps make a difference but it may play some role?

I have several different brands.

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[E4NASH]

Let's arrange to meet at this place and make an educated decision

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I'm planning on stopping by AVC tomorrow to check things out after I pick up my prop from ATL marine.

[ga-lsv05]

Eh tomorrow is the wife's birthday. Don't think I could swing that

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[rdlangston13]

I just like all my gear to match.

My experience with either brand. I have a full exile system and on my original cabin speakers the exile logo faded in the sun and turned some weird rust color. I contacted exile and received not only new speakers but the newer updated M series.

I also had a horn go out in an xm7 and they promptly replaced that as well.

I believe Brandon zubke has a horn in one of his rev 10a go out as well and wetsounds promptly replaced it as well.

I had a ws420 and like 3/4 of the led back lighting on te knobs went out. Not sure if it was water damage or what.

My budy has rev10s and they sound pretty amazing. Never heard xm9s to compare


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[moombadaze]

I just like all my gear to match.


Me too.

.........

[E4NASH]

Me too.

.........

Yep, same here


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[jmvotto]

Looks like all exile gear is on sale at earmark 30%off

http://store.earmarkcaraudio.com/Xcart/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=61

[mmandley]

Looks like all exile gear is on sale at earmark 30%off

http://store.earmarkcaraudio.com/Xcart/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=61

Earmark is selling off all there Exile gear. They wont be selling it anylonger.

[jmvotto]

Earmark is selling off all there Exile gear. They wont be selling it anylonger.

I figured as much since it really has not been at this discount level beforefrom what I recall.

Somebody can get a great deal.

[ga-lsv05]

So that's two dealers I have seen that quit selling exile... What's the deal?

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[wolfeman131]

Lets not speculate here. Send a PM or call the dealer directly.

[ga-lsv05]

No problem

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[ga-lsv05]

I once saw a video about an exile custom sub enclosure for moombas. Is that still around?

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[mmandley]

I once saw a video about an exile custom sub enclosure for moombas. Is that still around?

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Brian isnt making them anylonger, that was a project that started on my boat back in 2010, i think he has a couple left over sitting at the shop, i might be down at Exile tomorrow for a bit, maybe today if Brian needs me there for something but i doubt it.

Now a days he will refer you to a builder in your area to build you a box if needed.

The guy he had building boxes went to do other things so he steped out of box building.

[ga-lsv05]

Could you let me know if there is one laying around the shop?

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[mmandley]

Could you let me know if there is one laying around the shop?

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You bet man