Mmandley

[moombadaze]

OK, spill it, list your surfing ballast setup-what ya running

[mmandley]

for Regular surfing

900 Straightline sumo basically an 1100 Flyhigh in rear corner
450 Straightline sumo under rear seats were cooler used to be
400 stock bag in the ski locker
650 IBS bag in the bow
Fill 50% 900 Straighhtline sumo in opposite V drive locker this keeps the back sunk deep down.

total surf ballast on regular is 2900 apx. I run the wake plate from 50% up to 100% up and speed is around 11 mph. I run it up to 3200 RPM then set my cruise and adjust it up or down till the wave clean up. When i ride it and if i feel like im working to hard to stay with the boat i have them slow it down 100 RPM if i feel like the wave is slow i tell them to speed up 100 RPM.

Goofy surf.
Fill 900 straightline Sumo up
Fill 450 Straightline Sumo under seats behind driver
Fill 450 Straightline under seats where cooler used to be
Fill 400 stock bag in ski locker
Fill 650 IBS bag in the nose
Make sure opposite 900 is empty

Run boat up to 3200 RPM and then set cruise and speed up till wave looks clean then Claudia tells me to speed up or slow down but we are right around 11mph.

Al rode my wave today and he said its Ligit.

[moombadaze]

Thanks for the info, but why did you go with the Straighline Sumo bags, you allready had the flyhigh 1100's

other question, wondering how you have it all plumed in--what pumpis doing what bag and what kind of fill times are we talking about

[mmandley]

Thanks for the info, but why did you go with the Straighline Sumo bags, you allready had the flyhigh 1100's

other question, wondering how you have it all plumed in--what pumpis doing what bag and what kind of fill times are we talking about

I still need to do my ballast write up with pics.

Main reason for switching from Flyhigh to Sumo was 1 i wanted to upgrade from 3/4inch to 1inch lines.
Straightline bags are slightly thiner material and a lot easier to work with then Flyhigh. They are just as tuff and strong but a more plyable material, so when you want to remove them they fold up much easier. Plus they all have built in vent cap so even if you dont want to run a vent line you can pop this cap and push the vent button.

Another reason is me and Wake Makers worked a deal out as they are selling Straightline Sumo as well and wanted to get a boat loaded up with them.

I run 2 of the new Johnson Ultra pumps http://www.wakemakers.com/johnson-ultra-ballast-pump.html running the 1inch line i just sliped it over the outside of the fittings.
I also use 2 Y valves, this allows the pumps to fill 4 bags and me to have control of what bag i fill or drain.

1 pump fills my regular 900, then i use the Y valve to switch it to the 450 when i want to fill it. Drains the same way as well.

Fill times, stock factory system 30 minutes to fill 1100s and or switch from regular to goofy.

New pumps 10 minutes to fill 900 and 3-4 minutes to fill the 450. To actualy swich from Regular to goofy because i weight both sides of the boat is 10 minutes flat. Just enough time to allow people to contribute to the lake, have a fast cold one and throw your vest on and grab a board lol.
Use to whan switching sides, it was swim break, lunch time, empty the cooler of a 6 pack time LOL.

[cab13367]

Yes, Mike's wave is most definitely legit! This is me riding it last night.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg276/cab13367/Boat%20pics%20-%20public/DSCN1559_00208189.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg276/cab13367/Boat%20pics%20-%20public/DSCN1559_0024162.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg276/cab13367/Boat%20pics%20-%20public/DSCN1559_0024656.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg276/cab13367/Boat%20pics%20-%20public/DSCN1559_0030424.jpg

[mnpracing]

very clean and huge wave! I noticed for goofy you leave the port rear bag empty but fill the port midship bag? I'm assuming you determined that this setup is best for goofy, but can you elaborate? Also, how much people-weight do you run with the ballast setups you posted above?

[moombadaze]

love that 1st picture--rubrail skimming the lake, wave has a beatiful curl to it.

thanks for sharing the pics Al

[kaneboats]

Yup, sure looks good, Mike.

[mmandley]

After much testing i have found if i add any real weight at all to the Rear V <Port> when runnign a goofy wave it washes out real bad.

By adding the weight midship it still helps keep the V section of the boat in the water and helps to not roll the boat over quite as much. Since the prop is spinning in the goofy direction i think it helps roll the boat over already and so im trying to counter act that somewhat.

I want the boat on its side but the biggest thing that is making that nice huge wave and curl is the V in the hull, not that flat section in the back thats the wakeboard section of the hull.

As for people i can throw the same wave with 3 or 8 people. As i add more people its a matter of running less ballast to compensate for the people. At some point if my ballast is full and i add 8 people i cant pull clean wave or the boat actually sits to low in the water and becomes a hazard for rollers.

Even though it looks and sounds like i dont care how low my boat sits i really do, i always check my water level on the sides, and trust me, when you run the weight i do, and a person falls, you dont just drop the throttle to idle, and you dont power turn. You slowly come off your speed, sit idle for a few seconds and let your rolelrs pass you, then you go get your rider.

I thing to mention in the wave where Al has posted, thats with my wake plate all the way down flatning my wave out. If i raise it up it gets much much steeper, but Al didnt like that lol. The good thing is with a wave like mine you can adjust the wake plate and speed quite a bit and it stays clean.

Ohh yea i like to just kiss the rub rail in the water, to much and it will put a line right threw the face of your wave. Like i have said before i think i have maxed out my LSV for surfing, i dont think i can change anything else for weight or placement, ive tried it all or there is a reason i cant add more to a spot because of safety.

[mmandley]

Heres a great pic of the goofy side, same day, same crew.
Rub rail is just kissing the water.

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu114/mmandley/328363_4423979281397_372191969_o.jpg

[cab13367]

I thing to mention in the wave where Al has posted, thats with my wake plate all the way down flatning my wave out. If i raise it up it gets much much steeper, but Al didnt like that lol. The good thing is with a wave like mine you can adjust the wake plate and speed quite a bit and it stays clean.

It took me three pulls to get used to the height of Mike's wave compared to mine. The first two pulls, I stuck the nose in coming down from the wave as I was not used to the height. After I made the adjustment, I didn't have any problems. Honestly, I do not need that much height, I would rather have additional length so Mike fine tuned the wave for me.

[moombadaze]

I've been wondering what the wave would be like it that rear 900lb bag was 1/2 full or even empty--ever try that?

[mmandley]

What do you mean 1/2 full or empty?

[mnpracing]

Ohh yea i like to just kiss the rub rail in the water, to much and it will put a line right threw the face of your wave. Like i have said before i think i have maxed out my LSV for surfing, i dont think i can change anything else for weight or placement, ive tried it all or there is a reason i cant add more to a spot because of safety.

Mike, thanks a lot for the explanation and the testing you've done so that we can all advantage of the work you've put into this.

[moombadaze]

What do you mean 1/2 full or empty?

i'm just wondering what the wave would look like with all the other ballast full and then empty the rear one or have it be at 450lbs, not sink the ass so low

[mmandley]

Mike, thanks a lot for the explanation and the testing you've done so that we can all advantage of the work you've put into this.

Thanks man I really wish I could go visit everyone and help them dial there boats in. it's a real night and day difference but i'm more them Wyoming to help anyway I can

[mmandley]

i'm just wondering what the wave would look like with all the other ballast full and then empty the rear one or have it be at 450lbs, not sink the ass so low

Ok I got ya we run the goofy like your asking running the regular the way you describe and you will have a great wave but you might not have as much push.

[rca]

Mikes down at the Texas Moomba Jam this weekend with us. He has a great understanding of how the surf wave works and what needs to be done to fine tune it. He worked with us on our boat (we're complete noobs) and got the wave looking great. I event went wireless today.

On our LSV we filled our 1100 up about 75% on the port side, or 400 about 70% on the starboard side and the 400 in the ski locker 100%. Speed was around 10.4 and adjusted the wake plate from half to full up. Made a beautiful wave.

Thanks Mike!

You guys listen when Mike says to add weight to the side opposite your surfing side. Makes a HUGE difference.

Ron

[DOCDRS]

THats a great look wave Mike

[jmvotto]

Bro that wave is sick

[sybrmike]

Mike - nice meeting you at the Jam. Hope you enjoyed some Texas hospitality & didn't melt or spontaneouly combust. Props again for just showing up, not to mention sharing your knowledge & experience. That's an envious surf wake for sure. Maybe you can help dial in the wake on my old DD Saltare next time you're passing through... :)

[moombadaze]

You guys listen when Mike says to add weight to the side opposite your surfing side. Makes a HUGE difference.

Ron

plan to, that why i was asking Mike about his setup

[jester]

Mike I think the best way to say how much you are running is you just pump water into your boat until it is almost over the sides.

[rca]

Mike,

The girls are wanting to try goofy side on our LSV. If I move the 1100 over to the goofy side, do you think I should fill the port side at all or leave it empty as a starting point? Fill the 400 in the ski locker for sure. Position people on the starboard side behind the driver?

Thanks for the help last weekend.

Ron

[dusty2221]

For us with goofy, weight on the port side hurts the wave.

[rca]

So you just run bow and starboard weight for a good goofy setup?

[dusty2221]

We run 1100 in rear locker, 400 on top of sundeck, center full (1180), and another 400 in the bow on the surf side. This pic is that setup, it was waist high and a very very long pocket with a ton of push.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/dusty2221/Galaxy%20Sii/2012-08-14215222.jpg

Uploaded from my phone, so it may be a crappy pic.

[wolfeman131]

Yeah, but your waist high would be like, knee high for Ron.

[dusty2221]

I got a something about knee high for your mom

[mmandley]

Ron run the 1100 on your goofy side full, nothing on the opposite side. Fill center and the run the wake plate around 1/2 this will help lengthen the pocket a bit. Goofy will wash out real easy with opposite weight.

On ours we run 450 on the opposite side when goofy to help keep the boat from rolling to much as we run so much weight already.

Speeds on the goofy side will start right at 10 flutuating up to 10.5 it's a slower speed because the prop rotation is helping the wave on the side

[moombadaze]

Mike, the IBS, how full do you think it gets? I know they say its 650lbs but the bow area is fairly shallow under the seat.

I am thinking about 2 smaller bags linked together would effectivily do the same thing and would still have access to under the front center seat for storage of a small anchor.

[wolfeman131]

I get mine 100% full and put the anchor (which is rarely used) behind the leg on the starboard side.

[mmandley]

You can go with 2 smaller bags of you like. I think it will work just fine just a bit more plumbing to run.

Mine is designed for the moomba bow and when its full the cusions will pop up a little, i drain it slightly to stop that. I have room on both sides at the end of the legs, for helmets and the anchor.

I know when i fill my front ballast and not the rear i ride really low on the nose, only time we run it like this is for Wake Boarding.

[moombadaze]

I get mine 100% full and put the anchor (which is rarely used) behind the leg on the starboard side.

but, your Mojo has a bigger bow that the LSV. Do you remember are the seats bases now higher on the 13 LSV compared to the 08 LSV

I'll get the IBS if its worth it, but if it only fills 1/2 to 3/4 then its not worth getting, I'll go a different route

[wolfeman131]

I think the seat bases are higher, but can't remember exactly. I like you're idea, too.

[mnpracing]

I can get my IBS at roughly 75-80% just guessing. It pops the front seat up and I drain a bit to get the seats back down.

[lsvboombox]

I can get my ibs full but it also pops my cushions and my cup holders. When i hear the cup holders jingling on the floor i know the ibs is full

[kaneboats]

but, your Mojo has a bigger bow that the LSV. Do you remember are the seats bases now higher on the 13 LSV compared to the 08 LSV

I'll get the IBS if its worth it, but if it only fills 1/2 to 3/4 then its not worth getting, I'll go a different route

If you split using two bags, one on each side, you can daisy chain for filling -- that's the easy part. Emptying will be a bit harder. I'd be tempted to empty from each bag. A little more plumbing.

[wolfeman131]

If you split using two bags, one on each side, you can daisy chain for filling -- that's the easy part. Emptying will be a bit harder. I'd be tempted to empty from each bag. A little more plumbing.

Might not be the case with the reversible pumps & check valves installed. The 1,100 & 370 I have linked together can be drawn empty. Both legs of the IBS also drain completely.

Might be time for an upgrade for you, too!

[kaneboats]

I always wait at least 2 years after Stacy. Not yet.

[moombadaze]

I always wait at least 2 years after Stacy. Not yet.

I have lots of left over parts for ballast with your name on them, were not waiting 2 yrs

[mnpracing]

You can go with 2 smaller bags of you like. I think it will work just fine just a bit more plumbing to run.

Mine is designed for the moomba bow and when its full the cusions will pop up a little, i drain it slightly to stop that. I have room on both sides at the end of the legs, for helmets and the anchor.

I know when i fill my front ballast and not the rear i ride really low on the nose, only time we run it like this is for Wake Boarding.

Mike how many reversible pumps are you running, and where did you mount them?

[wolfeman131]

search his other posts, but I'm sure he has 3 pumps and 2 of the Y valves running his system. I can't remember if he told me that they were mounted in the '09+ model year factory location in the port locker of his may be in the engine compartment, along the back wall.

[kaneboats]

I have lots of left over parts for ballast with your name on them, were not waiting 2 yrs

Well, I have some beer and some roo decals with your name on them!

[mmandley]

For the rear v drive lockers and the 2 bags under the rear seats i have 2 reversables and 2 y valves for filling and this is also used as a drain.

IBS is filled off the stock areator pump, and i use 3 Tsunami 700s to drain the front, 1 is the factory ski locker pump to drain that one. Then on the IBS i have a Tsunami on the bottom of each leg to drain it. I run all three pumps daisy chained together, used a 10amp fuse and it works fine.

As for the location of the 2 reversables i have them mounted above the muffler on the rear wall. I mounted my Y valves on the panel above the V drive and you just pull the seat out a few inches to access both valves

[jmvotto]

Mike, the IBS, how full do you think it gets? I know they say its 650lbs but the bow area is fairly shallow under the seat.

I am thinking about 2 smaller bags linked together would effectivily do the same thing and would still have access to under the front center seat for storage of a small anchor.

I tried this last year in the 07 obv to put the 400 up front and it was a pain, the seats popped etc. I got the ibs 650 and it filled probably 80% , fits much better when empty as well. Dot think it will be an issue with the new Lsv.

I had the giv sprinkler valves and a drain pump on each leg.

[beat taco]

Why did my box and the fat sac website say725lbs for the IBS?

[mmandley]

Why did my box and the fat sac website say725lbs for the IBS?

Not sure man, might be the same reason some Amps say 600 watts and thats the Max not the RMS lol.
I assume but not positive it can be filled to that amount, depends on the brand of the bag, and what boat its really designed for. I had a MC bag in my nose for a while, then Spencer finally got a Moomba bag in.

[rca]

Ron run the 1100 on your goofy side full, nothing on the opposite side. Fill center and the run the wake plate around 1/2 this will help lengthen the pocket a bit. Goofy will wash out real easy with opposite weight.

On ours we run 450 on the opposite side when goofy to help keep the boat from rolling to much as we run so much weight already.

Speeds on the goofy side will start right at 10 flutuating up to 10.5 it's a slower speed because the prop rotation is helping the wave on the side

We ran it this way today, 1100 full, ski locker full and about 400 lb of kid in the bow and the goofy wave was excellent. Speed was about 10.2. Thanks.

[mmandley]

We ran it this way today, 1100 full, ski locker full and about 400 lb of kid in the bow and the goofy wave was excellent. Speed was about 10.2. Thanks.

Awesome now tell Kate if she can learn to surf toe in on goofy like she should be surfing then she will be able to learn 180s real easy because she is used to surfing heel in already. Next time I get down your way I expect her to be killing that wave on both sides lol

And you sir I have not forgotten I will get you a board list of recommended boards. The one you were riding is the Inland Surfer Red Rocket

[rca]

Awesome now tell Kate if she can learn to surf toe in on goofy like she should be surfing then she will be able to learn 180s real easy because she is used to surfing heel in already. Next time I get down your way I expect her to be killing that wave on both sides lol

And you sir I have not forgotten I will get you a board list of recommended boards. The one you were riding is the Inland Surfer Red Rocket

I am going to be ordering another 1,100lb bag and one of the portable Tsunami pumps next week so we can easily switch between goofy and regular and get Kate on the correct side. I'm thinking we can use the Tsunami on one of our exiting 400lb bags and move that around the boat a little bit to play with.

I borrowed Taft's Amazon Osia special (http://www.amazon.com/Osia-Pro-Wake-Surfboard-Package/dp/B004SPFPIK/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1345299836&sr=1-3) yesterday and really enjoyed it so I'll probably pick one of those up just to play with. For $199 it's a fun board and was pretty easy to ride. Please do get me your list though. Thanks again.

[CarsonDean]

Im getting two 750 Sumo Sacs for my 06 Mobius (DD)
Replacing the prop may be in the future ($$$) but for now do i HAVE to have a new prop. i can get by if its growling.

When i get my 4 of my 275 friends in the boat with 5 girls i dont have a problem with the engine...

primarily a wakeboarder.
secondly a wakesurfer.

[jmvotto]

You have 4 275lb friends. Is it the o line from ole miss.?

[mmandley]

Im getting two 750 Sumo Sacs for my 06 Mobius (DD)
Replacing the prop may be in the future ($$$) but for now do i HAVE to have a new prop. i can get by if its growling.

When i get my 4 of my 275 friends in the boat with 5 girls i dont have a problem with the engine...

primarily a wakeboarder.
secondly a wakesurfer.

No you should be fine. You will know when you need a new prop when you can no longer plane out, or when you are under way you will notice the boat skipping or surging but it won't be the engine. It will be a physical feeling as if like spinning tires in your car.

This also depends on what prop you have right now

Probably not the best explanation but I hope you get the idea

[kaneboats]

You have 4 275lb friends. Is it the o line from ole miss.?

I thought he was the Auburn guy.