Are you looking for anew Mojo?

[BensonWdby]

A dealer friend of mine has a brand new Mojo 2.5 on his showroom looking for nice home. Respond to this if you are interested.

[jpetty3023]

What's the cost on that bad boy

[lsvboombox]

What's the cost on that bad boy

Lol. These mojo guys dont talk prices....

[jpetty3023]

Your right lsv but I figured since the OP offered up some info from the dealership we might be able to get a price. Didn't see no link to click on to see for myself -:(


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[BensonWdby]

honestly I did not have a price and the dealer did not know I was posting this. Just helping him out. If you would like to see it - it is in Central Illinois. I am not a rep for him and stand to gain nothing from the sale. I just was not sure if supply was meeting demand for this boat and this one is ready to go. I saw it in the water today and it has a very nice wake. I think a ball park figure was around $50K. If you are seriously looking PM me and I will connect you. Since he did not authroize this post I am reluctant to post his details.

[sandm]

we have a black/white/yellow one here at our local dealer. has been around since the march boat show. dealer sells skiers and 'bu products. when I talked to them the other day, the salesman/manager really seems hooked up on axis and I get a feeling that skiers products are kind of taking a back seat hence the reason it's still for sale.

he tried to tell me that the a22 was a fantastic surfboat. I tried to control my laughter :) wakeboat-yes. surfboat-NO...

[skiyaker]

Just guessing you'll have a hard time getting your hands on that Mojo if you're out of the dealer's territory

[Boonejeepin]

we have a black/white/yellow one here at our local dealer. has been around since the march boat show. dealer sells skiers and 'bu products. when I talked to them the other day, the salesman/manager really seems hooked up on axis and I get a feeling that skiers products are kind of taking a back seat hence the reason it's still for sale.

he tried to tell me that the a22 was a fantastic surfboat. I tried to control my laughter :) wakeboat-yes. surfboat-NO...

My local dealer seems to be in love with the "Bu"s all of a sudden. They must have some reason ($$$$$$).

For me, I am very satisfied with the SC product.

[jmvotto]

We have a local dealer that sells Nautiques, seems like that is what they push. Had tige, then MC then Supra as added lines , now only Nautique again, they really did not showcase the other lines that well. i almost bought one or both of there supras on clearance.

[sandm]

funny how dealers work that way. the mb/nautique/mc dealer here hasn't had a new nautique/mc in over a year-all mb. the tige/sanger dealer has a few sangers, but only likes to show tige's. our skiers/'bu dealer used to have a showroom full of supras/moombas last year, but it's all 'bu and axis now.

[Boonejeepin]

From what I understand the local SC dealer was the largest Moomba dealer in the world a few years ago.

[lsvboombox]

My moomba dealer has had a green and black mojo for a longtime now. Doesnt surprise me as their prices suck. I am sure it will be sold as a leftover next year

[BensonWdby]

So I know very little about wakeboard boat prices. What do you guys think is a fair price for a new Mojo 2.5? What do you base your number on? Do you think a dealer deserves to make a profit? What percentage over their cost do you think is fair? Keeping in mind that in addition to the cost from SC they need to pay salaries for employees, facility costs, handle warranty work, etc.

[zabooda]

A fair market price is one that will sell the product. The price of a boat prior to the recession is different than it is right now and localities vary also. I base numbers on Blue Books, other dealers and the competition. I don't look at anything else so profits and overhead is their issue not mine. In fact, I don't want to hear it. I buy when it is a buyers market and everyone is competing with each other. I know if the prices are too high as they are now, boats won't sell and new competition comes in. I still expect a foreign market of boats some day.

If they could mass produce and automate the process, these boats shouldn't be over $30K. Someday there will be a company doing that and the rest will be either going out of business or scrambling to figure out the process.

[sandm]

^ agreed. it doesn't matter to me if a boat company or dealer makes any money on the deal. that's up to them to control expenses and ensure they build a product that has the quality, reputation, and resale that ensures they get out of it what they put into it.

if only henry ford was still alive. he would figure out a way to "mass produce" the boat. I'm actually quite surprised that there are no imports from our neighbors south of the border where labor is cheaper. I know, buy american, but that's one of the ways you will see a 30k boat.

[moombadaze]

We all need to be glad that boats are not mass produced at the same time, as most lakes are crowded enough and the ramps would just be a freeking mess. Can you just imagine what it would be like.

[sandm]

I would think that there are plenty of cheap boats all over craigslist. I wouldn't think that if the price of an average wakeboat fell by say 20k that there would be more total boats out there, just more wakeboats.

[BensonWdby]

Interesting points. I never really thought about it much until recently. So the original dealer that soldl my boat to the origianl owner is out of business. The more recent SC dealer in our area just quit carrying SC boats. Fortunately I think a local dealer is picking them up. Not sure what the point is there. But dealers need to stay in business so they are there to support current owners. So they need to be profitable. Ir manufacturers are driving the price then dealers are at their mercy. Having said all that - I can't afford $50k for a boat of any kind, but apparently there are a lot of peoplpe who can.

[sandm]

50k is not a bad price for a new wakeboat today- it's the ones that are going for 105k that I don't get.. but if you look at the price of a new car nowadays, it's 25k for a decent midline family 4dr and 30k for an excab truck. you will always have those that need/want the 60k volvo/audi/etc.. it's frustrating to look at at a 50k boat and know there's only 15k or so of perceived "parts" there when comparing to a car, but boat companies have overhead, r&d, and are selling in much less volumes so their costs are much much greater. it's a small price to pay(well not really) for the r&d that is bringing us some of the best surfboats yet...

[kaneboats]

They hold value a little better than cars too. I used to wonder how the heck anybody afforded a 50k boat. By about my 4th boat I started to understand it better. Unlike a car you can actually work your way up in "equity" in a boat, especially if you buy and sell at the right times and take care of your stuff and especially if you are talking inboards.

[jmvotto]

They wont sell you a boat if they are not making money at it, unless it s a lquidation going out of business sale.
Unfortunately technology has crept into the boating world and the pricing has reflected it. its what we want but i remember as a kid , you checked the gas tank with a yard stick and nothing was automatic. But yes the mark up on options is really stiff. There is a mark up on simple thing like a ballst quick connect from wholesaler to retailer of 160%, then the mfg and dealer mark it up again to probably 320% my rambling two cents

[sandm]

^you are correct on the boat sale to a point. I still see holdovers that are selling every so often for sweet prices. I'm guessing that the dealership isn't seeing profit on some, but rather the fact that they don't have to pay the interest on the flooring charge anymore. sometimes not making money, but not having to expend any more cash on something that may take a few more months to sell is money in the bank so to speak.
on paper, the dealer might show 5k over and above the cost of the boat and any holdback from skiers, but if they have been paying flooring charges for 16months, it may be a loss to the bottom line. now if they take a trade or consign, then maybe that's making up for the loss and the hopes that the service bay/accessory department make up for some of the missing margin on the boat.

[vkkovach]

we have a black/white/yellow one here at our local dealer. has been around since the march boat show. dealer sells skiers and 'bu products. when I talked to them the other day, the salesman/manager really seems hooked up on axis and I get a feeling that skiers products are kind of taking a back seat hence the reason it's still for sale.

he tried to tell me that the a22 was a fantastic surfboat. I tried to control my laughter :) wakeboat-yes. surfboat-NO...
This was the exact same response I recieved when I went to my local Malibu/moomba dealer. I almost couldn't get him out of the axis, he loved it soo much! I wasn't a fan of the axis and my wife really didn't like it!They didn't have much interest in selling me a moomba.

[wolfeman131]

That's too bad and one of the problems I see with dealers having multiple wakeboat lines represented on their lot. Word on the street is that the private equity owners of Malibu have the business for sale. I work for a private equity owned company and can talk to you ALL DAY about the games that are played when an entity is for sale.

The basics:

topline sales are a key focus and increasing year-over-year sales (i.e. demonstrate a growing business) are done thru discounts and sales incentives. Could that be what happened at the dealership(s) you visited? Maybe so as a good salesperson isn't brand loyal. They are loyal to themself and if they can pocket more coin by selling one brand vs another, they do it.

profit results/EBITDA are equal to topline sales and the goal is the same. But, if you're giving allowances to grow topline, how do you also drive bottom line results? You do it thru cost cutting. This is done thru workforce reductions, materials savings (i.e. cheaper components), focus on more profitable products, little/no R&D and development, etc.

So, when a strong, competitive brand is for sale, many short-term games are played and it makes it difficult for the brands that have established, long-term goals to match the offers/deals and maintain meeting their objectives.

Probably more than anyone wanted, or cared, to know. I'm just killing time while on a conference call.

[deerfield]

EBITDA

earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization

[KG's Supra24]

earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization

http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss59/Wayne_tag/goldstar.jpg

:grin: :)

[RickT]

EBITDA.... I can honestly say, that is one term I never expected to see on a wakeboard/Boat forum.

:)

[jpetty3023]

whu wuda thunk dat we gots a bunch of eduamcated folks round deez parts

[sandm]

if 'bu really is on the sale block, wonder if they are dropping some pretty good incentives on the axis product(to dealers) to show strong sales on a relatively new brand(that I don't ever see on the lake here) and make it look more attractive. they were all the buzz 2 years ago, but with the economy still somewhat floundering along, the used boat market and holdover market pretty much cleaned up and new sales increasing, it seems the majority of people that are looking to buy new boats are those of us over 30 and in that demographic, surfing seems to be the primary sport, of which axis doesn't have a very good rep. I would bet that's the reason on this forum the last few new members with brand new boats are mojo's and not xlv's.

[rdlangston13]

I still don't understand where everyone got off with the mojo was built to be an awesome surf boat thing. I have never heard or seen ANYTHING from skiers choice marketing the mojo as a surf boat primarily. all the videos of it showed wakeboarding, everything i saw on it was about wakeboarding. i think the only surfing reference even made by SC was about the platform being shaped for surfing but AXIS did the same thing and they are not surf boats.

The only reference i have heard about the Mojo being a surf boat has been from members on here who do not work for SC. I dunno, maybe SC did design this boat to be a surf boat primarily and wake boat second but i dont see any info from them that points in this direction.

That being said i think mojos are going well for a few reasons, bigger "pickle fork" style bow that is the new trend, removeable carpet, and less expensive than an xlv. and hey, they are the cool new thing.

I would prefer an XLV if i could get the wake clean at 70 ft with full stock ballast at 22 mph!

[jmb]

All this being said, I want to retire someday. Don't really want to pay on a boat if I don't have too

[wolfeman131]

EBITDA.... I can honestly say, that is one term I never expected to see on a wakeboard/Boat forum.

:)

Ah, it always comes down to the money though, doesn't it? And influences almost every decision made?

[wolfeman131]

I still don't understand where everyone got off with the mojo was built to be an awesome surf boat thing.

You're right. It does surf great when weighted properly, but from a few folks I've talked to who wakeboard, they say it is an incredible wakeboat boat. The most credible source I have heard from are Austin Hair and the dudes at Diamond Lakes. All these guys absolutely rave about the wake.

Maybe you'll get to snag a ride behind one at your TX Jam.

[rdlangston13]

im hoping rinkers brings one, or chris hernandez turns his maybe rsvp into a going rsvp. if rinkers brought a 242 that would be cool too :-)