Bullet lines eq 4200 dealio

[jmvotto]

Got an email from bullet lines they have what looks like a ws 420 knock off for 199.00 and with the promo code eq promo it's 139. Hell of a deal.

For those looking for a great deal, maybe someone can get gp on the ws 420, don't want to start anything but wanted to pass along what looks like a deal.

I own krypt hlcds as well as a ws 420.

[KG's Supra24]

Been waiting all day to see a thread on this ... :rolleyes:

It sure is tough to justify double the price for the same product (without any loyalty to ws) ....

[EarmarkMarine]

Rather than recreate all the drama on this forum you can watch the saga unfold on Wakeworld. There is great history over there with underwater LEDs, HLCDs, fiberglass work, EQs and much, much more. Enjoy!

[dusty2221]

David, based on all your feedback regarding krypt, would it be safe to assume that you would our would not tune a customer's equipment that came to you with krypt gear installed? While I can see the argument from both sides of the fence, it doesn't change the fact that krypt appeals to a working man and has enough support and reviews that proves the gear is solid.

I will be running some krypt equipment, and being in the dallas area, planned (hoped) to come to you, the most well known installer in the area to get the absolute best possible sound from the equipment I could afford.

[EarmarkMarine]

Dusty,
That is a discussion that should take place privately and off the forum. There are many other circumstances that determine our position. The time of year and level of installation activity will have a bearing on available technical staff to install non-purchased gear (regardless of the source), for example. Will a boat owner who gravitates toward the lower priced gear on everything really be a candidate for the true cost of getting it done the right way? There are many qualifiers, like as to the implied warranty of non-purchased gear in the case of a defect. So let's get into those particulars with direct contact with Shane in our Marine facility.

David
Earmark Marine

[dusty2221]

Thanks for the reply David. As my install draws near to completion, I will get with you and Shane directly. As far as the equipment being installed, I am doing all that work myself. And as far as the “boat owner who gravitates toward the lower priced gear on everything;” in my opinion the only component of my system that i do not see regularly on your install galleries are the Krypt towers and eq. Obviously the eq is new but i was unsure as to whether or not you would help with Krypt gear. And yes, while the saying, “you get what you pay for” is mostly true, and me being in sales, I can confidently say that price is not always a direct reflection of quality.

My main concern is that I would show up to the shop, install fully complete, only needing your professional ear and a quality tune, and having you turn me down based on seeing the Krypt logo. I can sit and read the “how to tune” tips all day long, however, I’m aware that my skill and ability ends with fabrication and wiring. Beyond that, I’m willing to admit that I need a professional’s help. I’m very confident in the equipment, and fully believe that with your help we can achieve an amazing “budget” system.

[mmandley]

Reading between the lines is a typical retailers point of view here.

You didnt buy from me so im not handing out any favors. If i hand you a favor then i must do it for all people. Fair is fair.

In Daves case what i think hes says is more so that if his shop is slow, and your willing to pay the 1 hour labor cost sure his guys can tune your system. Hes got going to hand anything out for free < not that your asking for it to be free >

The other point Dave is leaning on is when his guys tune gear that wasnt bought threw him, or warrentied to his shop and you blow a component based on what his guys said was Tuned then you might have reason to come see him expecting new parts.

Most shops now a days wont touch anything they didnt install for those reason.

Its the same as you buy the tires online because there cheaper then at a tire company. Then you goto said tire company and ask they install them, balance them and such. Then you get a blow out and go back complaining there mounting procedure caused your blow out.

See where it leads?

I will admit im not a huge fan of Dave at Earmark mainly because of his comments to postings and dealing with people i actualy know. On this topic i can see Dave reluctance and can agree in the fact he wont give you a straight answer on a forum on this particular topic

[EarmarkMarine]

Actually I did give a straight answer and the answer is 'lets discuss it privately.' There are just too many qualifiers and details to be discussed in order to have an agreement.
We are not going to "tune a system down" because it doesn't represent the brands that we sell or favor. If we can't be proud of the work we do and do it completely right then we will gladly pass on the job. If we get a sense from the consumer that he/she is going to hold us accountable for his/her mistakes, whether selection or installation, then its always best to walk the job. If we can't make it sound presentable then we would rather pass on the job than have our work unfairly represented.
If a job comes in and upon a quick listen and inspection there are numerous and obvious problematic issues that tuning can't resolve and it takes a complete re-do then the smart thing to do is pass, especially if the consumer is going to flame you for over charging.
I think we should see some photos of the existing work before agreeing and before someone makes the considerable drive with a boat in tow.
Experience has taught me to look out for the company that I represent as well as the interests of the boat owner. Oftentimes the business doesn't get done on this boat but our honesty won over the boat owner and we did a great system on the following boat.

David
Earmark Marine

[KG's Supra24]

Straight to the point fellas. Ha. I agree with everything posted above with the exception of not liking David. I have bought several things from him over the past 2 years and gotten quick delivery. That is about as much as i know, though.

If it isn't obvious yet, I am working with Dusty on our winter project. I too am clueless to what a "full blown" tune includes. Like mmandley mentioned, are we talking about an hours worth of time? Are we talking a dramatic difference in quality?

How appreciate all the help the audio gods (david, brian, and phil) provide around here (even though we got little to no response on install procedures :p). However, David is closest to me and still is a couple hundred miles away. Can a solid tune by done by a local shop? What am I looking for in knowing someone can do it right? Or am I just way over-complicating the tuning aspect and it isn't that precise of a tune?

[dusty2221]

Actually I did give a straight answer and the answer is 'lets discuss it privately.' There are just too many qualifiers and details to be discussed in order to have an agreement.
We are not going to "tune a system down" because it doesn't represent the brands that we sell or favor. If we can't be proud of the work we do and do it completely right then we will gladly pass on the job. If we get a sense from the consumer that he/she is going to hold us accountable for his/her mistakes, whether selection or installation, then its always best to walk the job. If we can't make it sound presentable then we would rather pass on the job than have our work unfairly represented.
If a job comes in and upon a quick listen and inspection there are numerous and obvious problematic issues that tuning can't resolve and it takes a complete re-do then the smart thing to do is pass, especially if the consumer is going to flame you for over charging.
I think we should see some photos of the existing work before agreeing and before someone makes the considerable drive with a boat in tow.
Experience has taught me to look out for the company that I represent as well as the interests of the boat owner. Oftentimes the business doesn't get done on this boat but our honesty won over the boat owner and we did a great system on the following boat.

David
Earmark Marine

Thanks David. I'll have my work done soon and will be in touch, I'll be shocked if after you see it you wouldn't be happy to have a part in it.

It's a razzle dazzle!

[EarmarkMarine]

One more thing that I'm compelled to correct is the assertion that its the 'same product at half the price'. Well, its very similar as this was the intention.
If you blow up the product photo it is a clear photoshop job. And where do you suppose the original photo originated. So we really don't know how the real thing will be as compared to the photo representation.
Now we know that its an intended knock-off with no attempt to differentiate the copy from the original because that is the most effective way to siphon off the mindshare that the other product has earned. And by the way, this is how this product copy varies from the normal competitive business environment. Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc. make every effort to bring a little fresh innovation specifically to set their product apart from those who they borrow from. But this is a highly targeted effort aimed squarely at WetSounds.
The past M.O. has been a direct copy, whether a trademark, model number, visual, feature for feature, etc. "Make an identical copy and make it cheaper" has been the steady mantra delivered to the potential overseas builders. And that is an issue of concern. Specifically, WetSounds is on their 5th generation of revisions for the WS420 EQ. Noise has been reduced. Reliability has been increased. Controls and switches have been altered to stand up better to water and moisture. I'm curious as to which revision was copied and if the factory (its a different factory) that is making the knock-off product is privy to the history or even the reasons for the product improvements. Time will tell.
As a direct importer of underwater lights, LED products and tower speaker pods, I have experience with some of these overseas companies. I think my concerns are a little more than just speculation. Ultimately the keeper of the quality is up to the domestic producer. If you don't have big volume and considerable clout you are at the mercy of people who do not share our general value system.
I'm not criticizing those who choose to purchase a copy. Its your nickel and you are the one solely taking the risk. But, I am trying to give you a perspective that I believe is based on a little bit of the real world.
Its unfortunate that we are so dependent on overseas manufacturing but that ship has sailed long ago and there is no other alternative.

David
Earmark Marine

[you da man]

Hmmmm, EQ4200 and WS420, I'll take the real deal. I'll say something in Earmark Marine's defense when it comes to installing components not purchased from Earmark. Earmark's store is pretty impressive and they will give you a tour to see what their facility is capable of. They will not let a customers boat sit outside, all boats taken in for work are inside the building (not a fenced in yard). When I brought my friends Supra to David a car stereo shop had totally ruined the Supra's sound system as far as performance, wiring, and appearance. My friend did not purchase a single speaker or component and even brought an extra amp to be installed. David gave an exact price for the destall and install(which was in the $500-$600 range). At the same time a brand-new Wakesetter arrives needing a new system which was going to be in the $6,000 range because they basically wanted my exact setup in my boat. David politely told the people with the Wakesetter that they would take my friends Supra first and they could bring their boat back when they had room. So I know first hand that Earmark will work with customers who do not purchase from them even in the early Spring when customers are wanting upgrades and boatshows and dealers are selling new boats with Earmark stereo systems pre-installed before customer delivery. Sorry about my rant. Some are Exile fans, some rave about Kicker, but I'm just a fan of Earmark because of the deals, service, and hospitality I see at their shop as a customer or potential customer.

[KG's Supra24]

Ok, so .....


Like mmandley mentioned, are we talking about an hours worth of time? Are we talking a dramatic difference in quality?

Can a solid tune by done by a local shop? What am I looking for in knowing someone can do it right? Or am I just way over-complicating the tuning aspect and it isn't that precise of a tune?

Not trying to take over the thread but I think an eq's purpose is to fine tune the system, what does a fine tune involve? Is it a noticeable difference? Who is capable of doing a top notch job?

[KG's Supra24]

No one is taking away from any of the installers here. Jmvotto, im sure, just wanted to pass along a good deal. I'm no moderator but id prefer if all the bashing and what not related to Ken/Krypt/Bulletlines stayed on WW and we dealt with specs, performance, and so on.

If anyone wants to read what a "scumbag" Ken is you can find countless threads on Wakeworld. (not trying to defend anyone, just tired of reading the same thing over and over)

[mmandley]

No one is taking away from any of the installers here. Jmvotto, im sure, just wanted to pass along a good deal. I'm no moderator but id prefer if all the bashing and what not related to Ken/Krypt/Bulletlines stayed on WW and we dealt with specs, performance, and so on.

If anyone wants to read what a "scumbag" Ken is you can find countless threads on Wakeworld. (not trying to defend anyone, just tired of reading the same thing over and over)

THis is where my views of Dave and Earmark Marine come from.

I will admit Dave is much more respectable and generaly a much nicer guy on this forum. Im sure if i met Dave in person i could get a real feel for the man and see what type of guy he is.

I have delt with Dave a lot on WW and read fare to many of his posts and bashes he does there. I think its unprofessional and frankly cring anytime i see his posting there.

I feel everyone needs to have a view and when it comes to gear you buy some can afford the 6K system and some cant but the bottom line is we all want our systems to sound as good as they can.

When being a buisness owner and on a forum, any forum you need to stand back and post professionaly because each and every post you make remarks on your company positively and they very fact can be negative.

[EarmarkMarine]

mmandley,
Odd that you would single me out like this. If you have an issue with me then you should contact me directly and I will be happy to visit with you about it.
I am not partial to any particular brand or any price bracket. In fact we do a ton of business with the JL Audio J2 electronics and X woofers where you can put excellent systems together very, very inexpensively and still get excellent quality.
I don't generally criticize even the brands that I don't represent. Krypt is an exception because I so strongly disagree with their ethics. I have also been an honest voice when it comes to any misrepresentations made by the brands that I DO carry. At some point or another I have called several of them on the carpet when their claims got to be a bit of a stretch. Maybe this is where the conflict originates... if my opinion has differed from yours on occasion.
So give me a call. Perhaps there is more to some of these situations and the motives than you realize.
For the most part my posts are supportive, positive and helpful. I routinely introduce members to concepts for the first time and am frequently parroted by others. Its not at all fair to characterize the bulk of my posts as negative or critical. This forum is no different.

David
Earmark Marine

[DOCDRS]

I'm just happy to have a radio in my boat ......a big upgrade from nothing in my last boat.....unfortunately it hasn't helped my skiing improve much :)

[jmvotto]

No one is taking away from any of the installers here. Jmvotto, im sure, just wanted to pass along a good deal. I'm no moderator but id prefer if all the bashing and what not related to Ken/Krypt/Bulletlines stayed on WW and we dealt with specs, performance, and so on.

If anyone wants to read what a "scumbag" Ken is you can find countless threads on Wakeworld. (not trying to defend anyone, just tired of reading the same thing over and over)

yep, just trying to pass along a deal for the budget minded.
i bought krypt hlcd off ebay for a great price before i really knew the whole bullet lines story. they sound better than my polk db651 in the tower at a price i could afford. then I saw all these posts about krypt here and on WW and wondered if they would sound less bright being dialed in with an EQ. so after chatting with a Former Moomba member, i purchased the real WS 420 5v new 2010 model for xmas. I called him to ask and install question about the product i purchased from him and he bashed my here and on WW. for other reasons he is banned from this forum and still runs on the supra ww and others. Ken showed me much better customer service than that authorized dealer, by honoring a price quote after it expired. FWIW

David, i should have ordered the ws 420 from you.lesson learned. I have my sights on a hse a volume controller;)

[you da man]

yep, just trying to pass along a deal for the budget minded.
i bought krypt hlcd off ebay for a great price before i really knew the whole bullet lines story. they sound better than my polk db651 in the tower at a price i could afford. then I saw all these posts about krypt here and on WW and wondered if they would sound less bright being dialed in with an EQ. so after chatting with a Former Moomba member, i purchased the real WS 420 5v new 2010 model for xmas. I called him to ask and install question about the product i purchased from him and he bashed my here and on WW. for other reasons he is banned from this forum and still runs on the supra ww and others. Ken showed me much better customer service than that authorized dealer, by honoring a price quote after it expired. FWIW

David, i should have ordered the ws 420 from you.lesson learned. I have my sights on a hse a volume controller;)

Better snag one before too long and the boating season starts and the sale is gone

[KG's Supra24]

1. How much time are we talking to fine tune? Is the cost really just going to be an hours worth of labor?

2. Is there a noticeable difference between me tuning to what i think is right and a professional tune?

3. Who is capable of doing a "professional tune"? Can a local shop do this or do one of the boat audio guys really need to do this?

[mmandley]

mmandley,
Odd that you would single me out like this. If you have an issue with me then you should contact me directly and I will be happy to visit with you about it.
I am not partial to any particular brand or any price bracket. In fact we do a ton of business with the JL Audio J2 electronics and X woofers where you can put excellent systems together very, very inexpensively and still get excellent quality.
I don't generally criticize even the brands that I don't represent. Krypt is an exception because I so strongly disagree with their ethics. I have also been an honest voice when it comes to any misrepresentations made by the brands that I DO carry. At some point or another I have called several of them on the carpet when their claims got to be a bit of a stretch. Maybe this is where the conflict originates... if my opinion has differed from yours on occasion.
So give me a call. Perhaps there is more to some of these situations and the motives than you realize.
For the most part my posts are supportive, positive and helpful. I routinely introduce members to concepts for the first time and am frequently parroted by others. Its not at all fair to characterize the bulk of my posts as negative or critical. This forum is no different.

David
Earmark Marine

Your right Dave im being a little to critical and i applogize for that. I tend to hold things close to me and when someone crosses that path its a bit hard to let go and maybe i have held some of our past posts and differences to much. Thanks for calling it out to the carpet so to speak.

[New Guy]

KG I have very similar questions that you do, should we start a new thread?

[dusty2221]

Can any of you pro's out there lend some knowledge and answer KG questions?

[KG's Supra24]

Ha! No New Guy ... I am determined to get an answer to my questions right here. Should I ask again?

[mmandley]

1. How much time are we talking to fine tune? Is the cost really just going to be an hours worth of labor?

2. Is there a noticeable difference between me tuning to what i think is right and a professional tune?

3. Who is capable of doing a "professional tune"? Can a local shop do this or do one of the boat audio guys really need to do this?

Anyone can do this, the thing is you have to understand what your tunning and truly forget about the main thing of how YOU like the music. Tunning the system is more based on maximizing the equipment and then 2nd adjusting to your liking say extra bass and treable.

I know when Brian tuned my boat it was very hard to not go change treable and bass settings. I just had to trust it and let to play as it was. He also tuned my truck after i upgraded it, and i dindt like it so i changed it. Then a month later he rode in it and said dam Mike your sub sounds like popcorn. Did you change my settings? LOL Yea i did and then changed them back and it sounds so much nicer.

The thing when you tune a stereo < in my mind > Make it loud, clear, and dynamic.

You can read all the threads, call the experts and then never listen to them and never get your systems potential.

The main thing is it all starts with the Souce deck, this can or normaly is the Head unit but i like to think of it as what is suppling a signal to your Amps. Is it the deck or a WS420 or what.

Then you tune that device for output thats clean, then you adjust the amps serperatly for the same goal, clean and loud, then at the end you would adjust frequency to make the highs play and the bass bump.

Its a lot more involved but this is the basic concept of it. Id be happy to talk with you more about it but just dont want to re state an entire thread but i can chat with you in PM or Email. Or we can chat on the phone.

Ultimatly you can get a realy good tune and balace doing it yourself if you follow some realy basic guidlines.

Or take it to the pros like Dave, Brian, Phil, and lots of others and pay them for there ear but try to learn what there doing when they tune it because every change you make to the system will require a retune.

[mmandley]

As fare as the whole EQ debate, you will never find one of them items in my boat, truck or house. I learned a long time ago an EQ is a noise souce and a way for a uneducated listener to adjust sounds you have no idea about and make it worse.

Some have a lot of nice options and if you like them more poer to you but so fare 9 out of 10 times i see an EQ installed in something i cring at it.

[EarmarkMarine]

Tuning your system questions:
There is usually a vast difference between how a do-it-yourselfer might approach tuning versus the personnel from an experienced shop. That statement is by no means a slight on the do-it-yourselfer. But it would be incredibly short sided for a DIY to overlook the experiences of a pro. A DYI may have been exposed to half a dozen personal experiences and the poor execution of many others (and suddenly they are an expert?). A pro has the frequency of exposure to a system a day times 200 days a year times a number of years. The pro is a quick study and recognizes patterns from his vast experience so the problem analysis is far more complex and in-depth. The two are generally operating on very different levels. Of course this is only a generalization as there are bad shops and serious hobbiests at both extremes.
In our case, I'm a perfectionist and kind of obsessive about the details. We have won several car audio competition national titles. It was the brutal judging over the course of countless seasons that challenged us and made us better. Every time we thought that we had arrived at perfection we had a judge gunning for us. So you learn and adapt. And sometimes you have to make wholesale changes before the next competition.
But here are a few examples.
A pro will often immediately recognize inherent flaws, like sub enclosure problems, orientation problems, crossover problems, phasing problems, product mismatches, etc. that the novice will stuggle with and try to overcome in tuning. But tuning won't correst these issues as they must first be corrected at the core. A pro will know what is under your control and what is not.
An EQ can be similar in that an EQ cannot correct phasing, many of the system design flaws or existing tuning problems. An abused EQ will definitely make matters worse. An EQ can repair peaks but an EQ cannot repair dips caused by cancellations without running your system out of its dynamic range. A paragraghic EQ, such as the ones referenced in this thread cannot entirely mimic a problem so you have to know how to compromise.
These are just the surface issues that a pro considers. There are layers upon layers of knowledge that comes with experience, including the many trials of errors. And there are great lessons in failures.
In tuning a system you are often bridging mechanical, electrical and acoustic factors. Some are fundamental to all audio and some are specific to the boat or environment. An expert in home or car has the basics down but is often missing the applicational elements that are unique to a boat. Most of the consumers that I speak with are not aware of what is truely involved to get the most value out of their systems.
In tuning there are both visual cues relating to excursion and audible cues as to optimizing your system. There is a definite sequence following the signal path.
How long does this procees take? It will depend on how particular the person diong it is. I like to sample alot of familiar but disimilar program material. Having the right material is key. You don't want to use your favorites as much as material that will expose shortcomings and non-linearities. Its a realitively quick process if you don't uncover any major flaws but if there are inherent problems they must be resolved first before effective tuning can be finished.
In tuning, I want to establish first what is flat or linear (meaning that all frequencies are treated equally in amplitude). That doesn't mean that the system will stay that way as different boat owners have different styles. But until you find 'linear' you can't expose the inherent flaws. Then you customize the 'balance' or 'tilt' or 'emphasis' to fit the boat owner and his taste.
That is a rough overview without going into a step by step.

David
Earmark Marine

[you da man]

I think a challenge is getting the tower speakers tuned for listening while boarding. We as boat owners tune them when the boat is still and usually sitting in front of the tower speakers. However, the listening conditions are actually with the boat moving, wind noise, and the rider 60-90' back

[EarmarkMarine]

^^^^You Da Man,
That is a very, very good point.
Auditory memory is fleeting so its very difficult to judge what adjustment will make a specific difference in comparison to what you heard in another time and place. The best that you can do is to raise and lower each EQ band under test conditions in order to recognize the specific frequency range that each band affects. Then try and analize your need for adjustment when boarding and estimate which band and how much attenuation/accentuation is needed. Since there is no instant feedback its very difficult to do it this way. A little trial and error and you can refine it a bit. That's a tough one.

David
Earmark Marine

[KG's Supra24]

David, thanks! Sounds like it is as complex as i was thinking.

I'll will likely be getting with you over email or PM to discuss a little further. Especially relating to gear, tuning cost, etc.

[dusty2221]

David, I have a PM all typed and ready to send, but your box is full.

[Brianinpdx]

Tuning should be its own thread. I'll start one. and we can let this one focus on the OP's intent.

-Brian

[EarmarkMarine]

Brian... Actually, we're working hard to change the subject if you know what I mean and I think you do.

Box? I'll get that cleaned out.

David
Earmark Marine

[you da man]

David, thanks! Sounds like it is as complex as i was thinking.

I'll will likely be getting with you over email or PM to discuss a little further. Especially relating to gear, tuning cost, etc.

KG, if you are planning on having Earmark do your tuning and/or install, Shane can help you with scheduling an exact drop off date and time for you since you will be towing your boat from hours away and knowing your boat will be safely indoors. That's what I did.

[dusty2221]

David, I can send a email direct to you, what's your email?

[EarmarkMarine]

[email protected]
Final days of moving the offices/warehouse but I'll get back to you soon.

[jmvotto]

Bump ..

to the post number 1
on sale again, got an email this am

krypt 4200 eq promo code is EQ Promo for 149.00
http://www.bulletlines.com/Krypt-KMA-4200-Wakeboard-EQ-p/4555.htm
just thought i would pass it on

[cab13367]

Is anyone running this? How do you like it? Nodes it come with a mic for this price? Not real excited about running all three zones off one set of preouts and running 4 sets of RCA cables back and forth thru the ski locker.

[jmvotto]

Al, I think it comes with the mic. i also belive Dusty or KG put one in there supras. I had to run all those rcas with the ws 420.. should not be that big of an issue to run the zone over to the eq and then back

[Jet]

THANK YOU.....SOLD! Just bought one. I cant wait to yell at my wife on the mic.:D

[KG's Supra24]

Dusty and I both bought one.

Love it!

End of story.

[bbuhtz]

For anyone interested in one of these, here is a picture for the curious eyes. It is installed and works great!
https://forum.moomba.com/picture.php?albumid=484&pictureid=3928

[Jet]

wheres the pic??

[bbuhtz]

wheres the pic??

Not sure why you can't see the picture... Here is another picture using a different method. I also have more pics in my mods album

https://forum.moomba.com/album.php?u=9490

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/krypteq.jpg

[Jet]

Yep, I just bought one also. Nice install job.

[Canuckle Head]

Got one to and have to install it. How the heck did you get it to install like that? Pictures please!!!!!!!

[bbuhtz]

Got one to and have to install it. How the heck did you get it to install like that? Pictures please!!!!!!!

Only other picture I have is this

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/remote1.jpg

I used this with the lame L-Brackets they give you for mounting. I attached the Galvanized Steel Hanger Strap that I got from Homedepot ($2.50) to the L-Brackets and then hung them from the bolts underneath the dash that are already there. I just bought some nuts to hold it in place. A real cheap way of doing it, and of course its not SOLID, but it doesn't swing around either. Like if you were to jump into the helm and hit it with your knee, it may move rather than breaking, but can easily be moved back. I'll try and get some pictures for you underdeath if you want, as it was pretty dark when I took pictures of it with my phone.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/95169951-1618-42d7-9e29-abd5767df4f7_300.jpg

[bbuhtz]

Here are a couple more photos of how I attached the Eq to the dash and more. I would like to take back my comment of it not being solid... its DAMN SOLID, not going anywhere, lol. Pretty cheap, takes 5min, and is very simple.

Port side
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/krypteq6.jpg

Starboard side
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/krypteq5.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/extreme360/Krypteq2.jpg